Video: Messiah vows not to negotiate with terrorists, except of course for Iran

posted at 3:28 pm on May 16, 2008 by Allahpundit

How is it, wonders CJ, that he can vow in one breath not to talk to terrorists and then in the next remind us that he will talk to Iran? Simple: Because as moronic as it may seem, it’s politically convenient for him right now to distinguish between “terrorists” and state sponsors of terror. That’s the whole point of his phony Iran/Hamas distinction, which is no distinction at all given that one of those two bankrolls the other. If he was half the honest broker he claims to be, he’d admit he’s drawing this line the way he is because (a) he needs to take a stand against some jihadist outfit to prove to pro-Israeli voters that he’s not the appeasement-minded milquetoast the right claims he is, and (b) given that Iran has vastly more regional leverage than Hamas plus the fact that he’s surely not going to deal with them militarily, he needs to preserve some way of dealing with them diplomatically. Hence the polite fiction that lets him accomplish both goals: Hamas = terrorist = no talking, Iran = head of state = “direct presidential diplomacy.” Much like his blowhard speech about race, it’s nothing but political expedience dressed up as something more thoughtful and principled. And the kicker? He ends by denouncing Bush and McCain for dishonesty — moments after repeating WaPo’s smear of Maverick’s position on Hamas.

Exit question via Tom Maguire: What are those “legitimate claims” of Hezbollah and Hamas that violence has so sadly obscured?


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Barack Obama:

“Iran is a member of the World Community. It, by definition, cannot be a terrorist organization. It would, therefore, logically follow that it can’t be a terrorist state, or have anything to do with terrorism.”

OhEssYouCowboys on May 16, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Video: Messiah vows not to negotiate with terrorists, except of course for Iran

In light of what we know about Obama’s associations (both personal and through his campaign), perhaps a better headline would be:

Messiah vows to stop negotiating with terrorists, except of course for Iran.

Big S on May 16, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Atta boy, Barry. Keep this thing on the front page as long as you like.

a capella on May 16, 2008 at 3:37 PM

This guy is wheels off. He tries to make distinction, just for the sake of making himself opposite to our current policies. It makes him inconsistent, unthoughtful, and all over the damn place.

I’m not anxious for that kind of leadership in the White House, thank you very much, even if he promises not to invite J. Wright to take up residence in the Lincoln bedroom. I almost feel sorry for him, he presents himself as such an incompetent.

Spirit of 1776 on May 16, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Bamboozled again!

pseudonominus on May 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM

What are those “legitimate claims” of Hezbollah and Hamas that violence has so sadly obscured?

I think it has something to do with killing infidels.

mred on May 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM

My goodness this guys is stupid.

thirteen28 on May 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Oh dear bho, please keep talking. Better yet, send wifeee out to explain your views.
L

letget on May 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM

He’s either painfully naive or incredibly duplicitous.

Either way, he’s unqualified to be president.

JammieWearingFool on May 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Iran is not a terrorist state!!! Just words! Change! Hope! I am your messiah!

/sarc

indythinker on May 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM

I pray that Israel has some type of plan of destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities b/c if Obama becomes president, he’ll do nothing to stop them.

Lance Murdock on May 16, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Messiah vows not to negotiate with terrorists, except of course for Iran

This policy, of course, is a no-brainer: It worked so well for Jimmy Carter…

landlines on May 16, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Michelle O. may need to step up to the plate for him on this. She speaks strongly and frankly. No pussy footing around. I’m sure she senses when he needs a strong shoulder and some help in clarification. Plus, she must be getting a bit restless.

a capella on May 16, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Even though I’m no fan of Obama, I’m going to have to agree with him on this one. On the subject of Iraq, both Iran and the U.S. have the similar interest of seeing Iraq as a stable democracy (unstable Iraq = rule by a Saddam-like strongman = the bloody 1980-1988 war). Iran is exporting weapons and thugs to Iraq in an effort to denigrate and attack the U.S. by proxy, and high-level diplomacy could be a solution that hasn’t been tried yet. I’m not ruling it out as an option.

LT Nixon on May 16, 2008 at 3:43 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on May 16, 2008 at 3:32 PM

It is precisely this kind of bad logic that presidential nominees and Americans frequently use that shows us that the U.S.A. is in big trouble.

shick on May 16, 2008 at 3:47 PM

On the subject of Iraq, both Iran and the U.S. have the similar interest of seeing Iraq as a stable democracy

Hashish is bad for you, LT Nixon.

funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 3:48 PM

This will be hailed as the most important foreign policy speech… Evahh.

The deciders(Ace) will have to bring in extra mops & buckets to clean all the drool off the nightly news studio floors tonight.

ChrisM on May 16, 2008 at 3:48 PM

On the subject of Iraq, both Iran and the U.S. have the similar interest of seeing Iraq as a stable democracy

That’s worked so well in Lebanon.

mred on May 16, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Don`t be distracted by their facts……Facts=Distraction.

ThePrez on May 16, 2008 at 3:51 PM

LT Nixon on May 16, 2008 at 3:43 PM

I hate to disagree but Iran has no interest in a democracy, their interest is in destabilizing the fledgling democracy and putting a stable Shiite theocracy in place.

murty on May 16, 2008 at 3:51 PM

This guy is wheels off. He tries to make distinction, just for the sake of making himself opposite to our current policies. It makes him inconsistent, unthoughtful, and all over the damn place.

Spirit of 1776 on May 16, 2008 at 3:37 PM

And many will buy it. People love any kind of distinction even if it is without a difference.

I’m sorry, but I have become a pessimist of the lazy brained majority.

shick on May 16, 2008 at 3:52 PM

LT N,
Iran wants a stable democracy next door? As an example for it’s restless younger generation? Hardly!!

exhelodrvr on May 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Hashish is bad for you, LT Nixon.

funky chicken on May 16, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Heh. Are you a little suspicious he isn’t really a LT and may not even be a US citizen?

a capella on May 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Barack has lost his bearings.

If Barry doesn’t talk to terrorists, how did he communicate with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn? Smoke signals? Sign language? Bongo drums? Morse Code?

Buy Danish on May 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM

I think the distinction is that Iran is a country of 70 million people including a fractious leadership and an opposition.

Hamas and Hizbullah are not. They’re essentially single-issue ideological groups. You don’t bargain with them because the bargaining range is degenerate. It would take a major evolutionary leap to what we would call political leadership, rather than the usual m.o. of death pimping, for either group to be a suitable partner in negotiations.

Let’s not confuse the people of Iran with their government, and let’s not assume their government is monolithic. International engagement (doesn’t have to be us; helpful if it’s western, though) will dry up the Iranian radicals’ base of support. Ahmadinezhad wants Iran isolated. It helps his faction maintain power.

DrSteve on May 16, 2008 at 4:04 PM

That’s be the “legitimate claim” that GAWD HISSELF told ’em to kill all the Jews, I think.

mojo on May 16, 2008 at 4:05 PM

What a lightweight… on the hot seat with a guilt trip.
McCain should take Obama up on that “anytime, anywhere” debate offer.

christophercube on May 16, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Michelle O. may need to step up to the plate for him on this. She speaks strongly and frankly.

Here she is.

Latest video of Michelle.

benrand on May 16, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Tap dancing Obambi has more positions than a double-jointed contortionist.

fogw on May 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM

He’s either painfully naive or incredibly duplicitous.

JammieWearingFool on May 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM

He appears to be both. Looks like his former good buddy Jeremiah Wright was right about one thing: Obama is just a politician who is willing to say whatever appears to be most politically expedient at the time, whether he believes it or not.

AZCoyote on May 16, 2008 at 4:11 PM

This speech is meant to do ONE thing! Capitalize on the Bin-Laden tape.

Remember how Kerry got nuked by Osama? Well not this time.

Agrippa2k on May 16, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Asked what his only regret would be in his campaign, Obama answered, “I probably talk too much.”

Ain’t that so, sweetie?

Let him dig his own grave.

We have our hands full curbing McCain at the moment.

maverick muse on May 16, 2008 at 4:17 PM

I just asked my friend who he was voting for and he said Obama. I then asked why and he said its because we need change. I then asked what he wanted changed and he said everything. I asked him to pick one thing and he said he wanted out of Iraq. I asked why and he said its a lost cause. I then told him about nouri al maliki and basra and now mosul and how the iraqis want us and need us here and its getting better, and if we pull out all the bad that would happen and how it really is our responsibility and we can win this…and he said fuck the iraqis…i almost puked, if thats a typical obama voter im gonna be pissed

SoCalInfidel on May 16, 2008 at 4:17 PM

We know what Bush means when he doesn’t say what we think he meant, and we must give Hussein every benefit of the doubt when he says exactly what he means to say, and fill in the blanks or forget the inanities when he makes no sense.

Is that a racist observation?

Akzed on May 16, 2008 at 4:21 PM

What is with this cheesy, empty rhetoric that Obama keeps trotting out: “They’re trying to fool you…they’re trying to scare you…they’re trying to hoodwink/bamboozle you”?

Who is this “they”? What facts, what intelligence, what threats and saber-rattling is he choosing to ignore? What leads him to believe that direct and back-channel talks and negotiations are not ongoing?

Obama’s ambiguous rhetoric is hardly the place where I would place my trust in terms of international relationships or diplomacy nor for national security. I’m not all that sure that his vision for America and its place in the world is one that most Americans share. Obama is an appeaser, ready to cede our sovereignty, power and authority
to every other entity but ourselves.

onlineanalyst on May 16, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Who is this “they”?

Michelle knows who they are. They also keep raising bar.

mred on May 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Meh, I don’t care how he tries to spin it, the Obamassiah will always be an appeasment puppet, just like Chamberlain and Jimmah!

Liberty or Death on May 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM

There’s a good reason why Hillary’s staying in — the odds that Obama will crash and burn before the convention is too high.

Dusty on May 16, 2008 at 4:26 PM

My guy said that Obama could defecate on Pennsylvania Avenue and the believers would either ignore it or make a monument out of it.

Because it’s all about belief, you know.

baldilocks on May 16, 2008 at 4:28 PM

This is pretty much his whole campaign strategy.

Play the victim. Hopefully this crying doesn’t work with the general public…I know the Democrats are mostly emo enough to buy it.

Asher on May 16, 2008 at 4:29 PM

If Barry doesn’t talk to terrorists, how did he communicate with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn? Smoke signals? Sign language? Bongo drums? Morse Code?

Buy Danish on May 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Excellent point…if I say he used bongo drums does that make me a typical white person/racist?

Liberty or Death on May 16, 2008 at 4:32 PM

My goodness this guys is stupid.

thirteen28 on May 16, 2008 at 3:38 PM

I have been saying that for a while, too. But Brooks says he is really “smart”, “Obama being Obama”, and I couldn’t detect the sarcasm that I would have suspected.

So, let’s take that a given. Everyone know’s Obama is smart. So, then, when he says something that sounds really stupid, and you call him on the phone, and the story changes both subtly and significantly, can we then assume that he is in fact a liar and a deceiver?

Jaibones on May 16, 2008 at 4:33 PM

That sure is a nice and shiny flag pin he is wearing.

jharada on May 16, 2008 at 4:36 PM

That sure is a nice and shiny flag pin he is wearing.

jharada on May 16, 2008 at 4:36 PM

What are you talking about? It has always been there! /Orwell

baldilocks on May 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM

What are you talking about? It has always been there! /Orwell

baldilocks on May 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Ha, good one…The Orwellian Jedi mind trick.

right2bright on May 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM

AP, I am TOTALLY with you on this one! Why do I feel like punching him out! Maybe because he is so darn full of it.
He is calling McCain and Bush liars and divisive??? He is the most divisive figure to be on the scene in a long time.
He is adamant about not meeting with terrorists but dines with Ayers and is willing to talk to Iran–how can he say this–better yet how are people buying it?? Have their brains been taken out like the pod people??
I wish there was a trap door and him and the Mrs. would go away. Not only does he scare me but the people, the adults that back him are darn scary!

Conservatives R Us on May 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Obama can never be hurt in this campaign because CNN and MSNBC, C-SPAN, public radio and television (that we taxpayers are paying for) are always there for him to pick up the pieces and dust him off again and again. This campaign basically comes down to conservatives versus the news media. Thus far, the corrupt news media seems to be winning.

Travis1 on May 16, 2008 at 5:37 PM

What happened to Mr. nice guy? It appears that Obama’s skin is pretty thin and that he is not unwilling to totally distort the positions of both Bush and McCain to protect himself. The only thing that will allow him to get away with any of his lies is the support of the MSM. Still, he is sounding much less statesmanlike than McCain and this will cost him dearly in the election.

ptolemy on May 16, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Much like his blowhard speech about race, it’s nothing but political expedience dressed up as something more thoughtful and principled.

He has surpassed Bill Clinton on the art of triangulation. But I don’t think the country is that stupid, to not take note of it in the general. If the independents fall for him, I’ll quit their party and buy a church. I’ll come up with a political religion. Politics and religion have morphed nicely in this round, and why should I not take advantage of the opportunity, and the tax brakes?

And the kicker? He ends by denouncing Bush and McCain for dishonesty — moments after repeating WaPo’s smear of Maverick’s position on Hamas.

Pot…kettle…

Entelechy on May 16, 2008 at 6:26 PM

He’s either painfully naive or incredibly duplicitous.

Either way, he’s unqualified to be president.

JammieWearingFool

I totally agree, which makes us both Angry Bitter Racists

….wanna go shoot stuff?

Janos Hunyadi on May 16, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Ha, good one…The Orwellian Jedi mind trick.

right2bright on May 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM

BHO: You want Change!

Thumbsucking Dem crowd: We want Change!

BHO: Yes, we can!

TDC: Yes, we can!

Later, in Teheran….

Ahmadinutjobi: You will give us nuclear weapons.

BHO: I will give you nuclear weapons…

A: You will nuke Tel-Aviv.

BHO: We will nuke Tel-Aviv.

The next day in Caracas….

Yugo: You will assist us in attacking Colombia.

BHO: We will assist you in attacking Colombia…

After this? Who knows?

dmh0667 on May 16, 2008 at 6:59 PM

In a more sane time, such a person would be suitably punished for the traitor that he is. I would actually have some respect for him if he came out of the woodwork and stated, clearly, that he wants to destroy America.

OldEnglish on May 16, 2008 at 7:16 PM

ROFLMAO at hussein’s stupid remarks. All clinton needs to do is point out that negotiation with state sponsors of terror doesn’t work and he is cooked well done.

If she wants to win she needs to go for his jugular and that will happen any microsecond now…

McNumbnuts is already at that sore spot, guaranteeing a further meltdown.

dogsoldier on May 16, 2008 at 7:24 PM

“You’ve been hoodwinked. You’ve been had. You’ve been took. You’ve been led astray, run amuck. You’ve been bamboozled”

moxie_neanderthal on May 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM

My god this man is truly an idiot.

Winebabe on May 16, 2008 at 8:39 PM

He almost said “bamboozled” and “hoodwinked,” didn’t he?

Better steer clear of the NOI rhetoric now, BAmbi.

PattyJ on May 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Translastion: “They are trying to fool you stupid people who can’t think for yourselves. You’re not safer, (even though there hasn’t been another attack on US soil), its just a trick to trick you stupid people who need me to tell you what you stupid people are too stupid to figure out for yourselves”.

ctmom on May 16, 2008 at 11:10 PM

How does it feel to have somebody claim you said something you didn;t actually say, Senator? Is what you claim McCain said about you negotiating with terrorists at all like you distorting his “100 Years” remark? Hmm?

Barry is such a Large Richard. Please make him go away.

Captain Scarlet on May 17, 2008 at 4:31 AM

(b) given that Iran has vastly more regional leverage than Hamas plus the fact that he’s surely not going to deal with them militarily, he needs to preserve some way of dealing with them diplomatically. Hence the polite fiction that lets him accomplish both goals: Hamas = terrorist = no talking, Iran = head of state = “direct presidential diplomacy.” Much like his blowhard speech about race, it’s nothing but political expedience dressed up as something more thoughtful and principled.

It is more thoughtful and you have explained why. Iran is a regional power capable of influencing more than just events within itself. Yes, this is a good enough reason to talk to them.

freevillage on May 17, 2008 at 10:39 AM

A rose by any other name.

jukin on May 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM

I watched this white-wash in Watertown and could only shake my head in disbelief. He better stick to the tough venues like GMA, SNL and the Spew, cuz any interviewer with half a brain, minimum, would rip him to shreds. This clown spouts so many lies, he would make Franken proud.

oakpack on May 17, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Barack Obama- a Second Jimmy Carter Term.

Experience, judgment, wisdom.

He doesn’t have any either.

From peanut to numbnut.

profitsbeard on May 18, 2008 at 8:49 PM