Video: Knesset applauds Bush’s condemnation of appeasement

posted at 6:35 pm on May 15, 2008 by Allahpundit

Another one from Goldfarb. Oh, come now. What would Israelis know about the dangers of appeasement?

A serious definitional question: What separates “appeasement” from negotiation generally? The right, I take it, would characterize negotiations with any aggressor as appeasement since it creates a perverse incentive by rewarding a malefactor for misbehavior. Want to talk to President Obama? Simple: Start your own nuclear program, build a proxy army in a neighboring state (or better yet, two neighboring states) and wait for him to beat a path to your door. The left, I’m guessing, would define the term more narrowly, as negotiation with an aggressor without a demand that he concede anything already gained. Signing a peace deal with Hitler in exchange for his promise that he won’t do anything bad from now on would be appeasement; signing a peace deal with him in exchange for his withdrawal from Czechoslovakia wouldn’t. Under which category, I wonder, would a “grand bargain” that Iran naturally proceeds to cheat on fall?

Exit question: Is that Elie Wiesel applauding at 0:46?


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Obama doth protest too much. If you are not an appeaser, you shouldn’t be personally offended when someone criticizes appeasers. A related Photoshop.

Exurban Jon on May 15, 2008 at 6:41 PM

What’s funny is Pelosi saying this is below the office. I can picture her saying that with her scarf wrapped around her head. Another question is, where has this guy been the last seven years.

oakpack on May 15, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Appeasement is like when a dog lies on it’s back and offers the neck.
Negotiation means there is something to gained.

Randy

williars on May 15, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Exit question: Is that Elie Wiesel applauding at 0:46?

I can’t see the video here at work, but he was at the Knesset speech so I’m thinking, yeah.

mjk on May 15, 2008 at 6:47 PM

What’s funny is Pelosi saying this is below the office. I can picture her saying that with her scarf wrapped around her head.

And Joe Biden running up behind her yelling “yeah and it’s bullsh** too”

Topsecretk9 on May 15, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Interesting that not all the members of the Knesset were applauding. Arab-Israelis, or members of the Left….

nukemhill on May 15, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Bush has a clear view of our enemies and the world at large. Don’t misunderestimate his mentality faculities.

VolMagic on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Al-Burack fell right into it. And the leftards call Bush an idiot?

If someone screams “Hey, Moron!” into a crowd of 100 people and you are the only one to say “What did you call me?!” you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Aristotle on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Obama is instilled with the academic-lefty idea that all disputes can be resolved if the disputants just sit down and discuss things in an atmosphere of goodwill and mutual respect. After all, “we all want the same things for our kids.” It’s feelgood Oprah-ism gone global.

It’s also bullshit. It scares the crap out of me that Obama and his ilk don’t seem to ever learn that there are truly evil people in the world. These people see a hankie-wringing Pollyanna like Obama as a tasty snack. They’ll talk and talk and talk while quietly improving their strategic position. Their “partner in peace” meanwhile, be it Chamberlain, Carter, Albright, or Obama, will be filled with feelings of superiority in the correctness of their apporach.

Then Hitler takes Poland, the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan, Kim Jong-il unveils a weapons program, or there’s a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv.

Cicero43 on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Exurban Jon on May 15, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Nice to see you have you been by gopachy.com lately?

Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Hi Chakra, not in a while… how are things going over there? I need to stop in!

Exurban Jon on May 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM

It was great of the President to visit Israel for it’s 60th. It also provides a great opportunity to coordinate policy on Iran. Good going Mr. President.

Phooey Barry.

JiangxiDad on May 15, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Not to sound contrarian just for the sake of it, but I think Bush could have made the same point re terrorism today in a different and less “direct” way.

E.g., don’t even mention Iran or Hamas or Hezbollah. Cite the historical record and emphasize that history teaches us lessons, lessons that are as important today as they have ever been.

Let the listener make any connections.

Bush is playing with a weak hand – low approval ratings, a tired Administration and a hostile press. And as well learned in Public Speaking 101, you tailor your message to the audience it’s intended for.

A gentleman’s C for this speech.

SteveMG on May 15, 2008 at 6:59 PM

It scares the crap out of me that Obama and his ilk don’t seem to ever learn that there are truly evil people in the world.

Cicero43 on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Evil people like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who are terrorists and radicals whom he doesn’t see as evil but characterizes as “mainstream”.

Buy Danish on May 15, 2008 at 7:02 PM

AS much as I liked what President Bush said, I only wished he actually used stronger force against Iran and all terrorist states and organizations.

Lance Murdock on May 15, 2008 at 7:03 PM

A serious definitional question: What separates “appeasement” from negotiation generally? The right, I take it, would characterize negotiations with any aggressor as appeasement since it creates a perverse incentive by rewarding a malefactor for misbehavior.

Not any aggressor. Truman negotiated with Imperial Japan before dropped the bombs.

Simply put, negotiating from a prostrate position is for our opponents, not us.

baldilocks on May 15, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Al-Burack fell right into it. And the leftards call Bush an idiot?

If someone screams “Hey, Moron!” into a crowd of 100 people and you are the only one to say “What did you call me?!” you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Aristotle on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Bravo!

Red Pill on May 15, 2008 at 7:08 PM

This is an excellent flashback from Hot Air, which talks about Democrats skipping briefings on Iraq.

Rep. Nancy Pelosi declares that the road to peace is through Damascus, and offers to meet with Iran’s apocalyptic pirate president but declines to meet with the President of the United States

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And refresh my memory – Did the Dems condemn the General Betrayus ad? Isn’t the Times sold on foreign soil?

Buy Danish on May 15, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Bush goes to an ally and knocks a presidential candidate = “below the office.”

Pelosi goes unauthorized to an enemy (Syria) and knocks a sitting president = “daring diplomacy.”

Hannibal Smith on May 15, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Rep. Nancy Pelosi declares that the road to peace is through Damascus

Actually, the road to ruin is through Damascus:

Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city,
And it will be a ruinous heap.

Isaiah 17:1

Red Pill on May 15, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Hannibal Smith on May 15, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Well said.

Red Pill on May 15, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Exit question: Is that Elie Wiesel applauding at 0:46?

Yes, yes it is.

And here’s an earlier example of appeasement that Wiesel experienced first hand.

lawhawk on May 15, 2008 at 7:17 PM

Appeasements never works on thugs. Unfortunately, liberals doesn’t understand it.

jdun on May 15, 2008 at 7:18 PM

But will talking to them make them want to moisturize?

- The Cat

MirCat on May 15, 2008 at 7:18 PM

President Bush himself is practicing appeasement with this entire 2 state solution garbage. Abbas is no more interested in peace than Hamas.
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The Palestinians have never for a minute stopped their terror and incitement and that includes Abbas and Fatah.
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Bush is great on bluster but poor on performance. If the conservatives would have pointed out that Bush is in no way conservative and that he is not true to his professed principles, we wouldn’t be stuck with McCain today.

FactsofLife on May 15, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Here’s a question for Bambi:

I assume that when you say you will meet with our enemies that you mean in your judgement we have more to gain in these meetings than we have to lose. Could you describe the potential downside of these meetings. What do we need to watch out for?

I’m betting he hasn’t the slightest idea. The concept of our enemies negotiating in bad faith completely escapes him.

trubble on May 15, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Al-Burack fell right into it. And the leftards call Bush an idiot?

If someone screams “Hey, Moron!” into a crowd of 100 people and you are the only one to say “What did you call me?!” you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Aristotle on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

heh

funky chicken on May 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM

It scares the crap out of me that Obama and his ilk don’t seem to ever learn that there are truly evil people in the world.

Cicero43 on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Evil people like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who are terrorists and radicals whom he doesn’t see as evil but characterizes as “mainstream”.

Buy Danish on May 15, 2008 at 7:02 PM

funky chicken on May 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM

The road to peace does indeed go through Damascus. And on that road is a column of M-1 Abrams.

alycan1 on May 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM

This begs the question: Does Hussein have the gravitas to be a world leader? Such a position requires extensive gravitas, and leaders consider their gravitas one of their most important possessions.

Where are you E.J., “Mo-Do,” and the rest of your komrades in the gravitas-concerned media? Is gravitas no longer an issue now that you’ve pledged your loyalty to a candidate who hasn’t a shred of it?

whitetop on May 15, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Churchill said it best: Appeasement is feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last.

Meeting with terrorists who seek your destruction, with no preconditions is certainly feeding the crocodile.

rockmom on May 15, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Wakeup appeasers! In the Muslim Jihadi World view it is honorable to lie to your enemy to gain advantage thus playing him for a fool.

Picture the fools yapping the loadest and see their political persuasion and be very afraid if they are ever in a position to speak and make policy for this country.

They will allow a catastrophy so great that 9-11 will look like a Bill Clinton romp with Monica in comparison.

I fear for this country because so many people are ignorant of the nature of the enemy that has vowed to destroy us and Isreal.

dhunter on May 15, 2008 at 7:36 PM

It’s funny when Democrats react to something that hasn’t been said. They are always quick to defend against something they haven’t been accused of. Now, why would somebody defend against something they haven’t been accused of? Is it, perhaps, because they actually do that and are trying to hide it?

It makes one wonder…

Weebork on May 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM

By the way, the Obama camp isn’t reacting to what Mr Bush said, they’re reacting to what the media has said about what Mr Bush said. So Obama’s camp is reacting to the reaction. Damn, now THAT’s leadership!

Weebork on May 15, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Here’s another flashback to the appeasement of terrorists on foreign soil, this time with Steny Hoyer (D) Maryland in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Buy Danish on May 15, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Knesset applauds Bush’s condemnation of appeasement

Iran grows ever stronger, including in next door Lebanon, while Commander Guy Bush and the scandal plagued Israeli “leadership” fiddles applaud each other

How quaint.

MB4 on May 15, 2008 at 7:40 PM

All Bush now has to say is that he was not talking about Obama, but about people like Carter… and Obama’s aid who was just fired… you know, those actualy talking to terrorist organizations?

False outrage from the left is prooving Bush’s point.

Romeo13 on May 15, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Tell it like it is George. Come back home and say it again. Run them spurs up their backs, it’s fun to watch the traitor democraps squill.

Zorro on May 15, 2008 at 7:43 PM

If someone screams “Hey, Moron!” into a crowd of 100 people and you are the only one to say “What did you call me?!” you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Aristotle on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

Nicely said.

Spirit of 1776 on May 15, 2008 at 7:45 PM

On another blog a writer said when you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one you hit is the one that yelps. Bush never identified Obama as an appeaser yet B. Hussein felt attacked and had to respond. How is this limp wristed smoker supposed to represent the United States in foreign policy?

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM

“You throw a rock over a fence and the dog that barks is the one that you hit.”
~Mitt Romney

Buy Danish on May 15, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Leave it to Dingy Harry Reid to weigh in:

Washington, DC—Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made the following statement today in response to President Bush’s remarks before the Israeli Knesset:

“Not surprisingly, the engineer of the worst foreign policy in our nation’s history has fired yet another reckless and reprehensible round. More than seven years into his Presidency and in the sixth year of the directionless Iraq war, President Bush has yet to learn that his brand of divisive partisan rhetoric is precisely what has made America and our allies less secure. And for the President to make this statement before the government of our closest ally as it celebrates a remarkable milestone demeans this historic moment with partisan politics.

onlineanalyst on May 15, 2008 at 8:05 PM

The Israelis look so glum. They know Bush is full of crap.

aengus on May 15, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Memo to Harry Reid:

All the faux outrage in the world will not erase your comrades repeated violations of the Logan Act, starring traitors like Jay Rockefeller (this one is via our own Captain Ed circa 2005).

Buy Danish on May 15, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Bush is playing with a weak hand – low approval ratings, a tired Administration and a hostile press.

No kidding. His low approval ratings are deserved, his Administration ought to retire to bed and… a hostile press?

And as well learned in Public Speaking 101, you tailor your message to the audience it’s intended for.

The Olmert Government know this being world-class bullsh*tters themselves but I doubt it’ll make them sleep any better.

aengus on May 15, 2008 at 8:15 PM

OhBummer’s idea of negotiation is to dazzle the opposition with bullshit, and if that doesn’t work, he can flash the rocket in his pocket to show that he is a MAN of consequence.

onlineanalyst on May 15, 2008 at 8:18 PM

The road to peace does indeed go through Damascus. And on that road is a column of M-1 Abrams.

alycan1 on May 15, 2008 at 7:29 PM

What he said.

We had 10 million+ people under arms in WW2, with an economy that was laughably tiny compared to the behemoth we have now. It makes me laugh to hear liberals whine how our military is “stretched thin.” Well, let’s see, it’s stretched think because of BJ’s peace dividend, your incessant trashing of all things military, and your unwillingness to pay for a bigger military.

misterpeasea on May 15, 2008 at 8:27 PM

Al-Burack fell right into it. And the leftards call Bush an idiot?

If someone screams “Hey, Moron!” into a crowd of 100 people and you are the only one to say “What did you call me?!” you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Aristotle on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Bravo!

Red Pill on May 15, 2008 at 7:08 PM

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I second (or third, or fifth, whatever) that – well played!

Think_b4_speaking on May 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM

And the leftards call Bush an idiot?

It takes one to know one.

aengus on May 15, 2008 at 8:45 PM

For all the weeping and wailing about President Bush daring to supposedly criticize Barry (though not by name) while on foreign soil, I haven’t heard anyone on the left challenage the President about what he said.

The President was speaking truth to Power…hungry.

Mallard T. Drake on May 15, 2008 at 8:50 PM

MB4 on May 15, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Nail on head, sadly!

OldEnglish on May 15, 2008 at 9:02 PM

I took Bush’s statement to mean that an American Senator in 1939 said that quote about Hitler. If that is the case, I’d like to know who it was. Anyone know?

greggish on May 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Elie Weisel thought terrorism was justified if it helped in the creation of a new state per his book ‘Dawn.’

lexhamfox on May 15, 2008 at 9:57 PM

I took Bush’s statement to mean that an American Senator in 1939 said that quote about Hitler. If that is the case, I’d like to know who it was. Anyone know?

greggish on May 15, 2008 at 9:29 PM

It was a Repub. Senator from Idaho, he was an isolationist

jp on May 15, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Republican Senator, William Borah from Idaho

the quote Bush used is actually on his Wiki page, would think the Dems know how to use Wiki well

jp on May 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM

The White House insists that Bush was “referring to a wide range of people, not any single person.”

Sigh…

Just once, just once, I would like to see the President come back to the States, hold a press conference to address the Dems’ hysterical indignation, and just nail them to the wall.

“You’re damn right I was referring to Senator Obama, and the dangerously ignorant foreign policy proposals he’s been shouting from the mountaintops. And I was also referring to Speaker Pelosi and her unauthorized trip to Syria, and Senator Biden, and Mr. Carter, and Senator Durbin, and Senator Kerry,” and on down the list, along with the precise reason(s) for each one.

Can you picture that? The White House press corps. would literally be stunned into silence. Bush’s approval numbers would jump at least 20 points.

But no, he’s gotta take this “nonpartisan, apolitical” BS right to the end.

Sigh.

Cylor on May 15, 2008 at 10:53 PM

It’s satisfying when you see Bush finally “man up” and defend his policies. He could be useful over the next six months if he would ditch the “turn the other cheek” crap that leaves his would be defenders demoralized.

lloyd on May 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM

20 points!! It would be news story of the year!!

75-80 points is more like it!!

We all can dream!

Liberals Appease! It makes them feel good all over.

They also don’t know when to just for once “shut up”!

It blows their “cover”.

That’s why they lost in 04.

relpayme on May 15, 2008 at 11:56 PM

The Israelis look so glum. They know Bush is full of crap.

aengus on May 15, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Sad to admit it, but you’re right. Condi has been a major disappointment.

labrat on May 16, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Kudo’s to President Bush,truth hurts,and thats
exactly the problem right now,bending over
backwards for the Islamofacsists!

canopfor on May 16, 2008 at 12:39 AM

That’s Elie Wiesel falling asleep! Can you blame him?

Drum on May 16, 2008 at 1:02 AM

I don’t understand why were making nachos out of macaroni? Obama said he would talk to our rancorous enemey, since when does talking to the enemy equal appeasment, talking to the enemy can just as well equal negotions, it could just as well result in a nice chat, or a yelling match? By this line of reasoning that most of you all – everyone from the commenters, to the bloggers, to the news pundits – are suggesting that because “one” talks to the enemy they are appeasing them.

Therefore (let’s go back in history and change a few things), when we talked to Libya, we appeased them; because we talk to North Korea, we appease them; we talked to the USSR, therein we appeased them; we talk to China, therefore we appease them (we literally give them ‘things’, while they pay us in-kind by blinding our satellites, hacking our systems, stealing our national/industry trade secrets, and giving us chemically enriched, completely useless, or completely hazardous products).

The argument is ridiculous, the fact that we Americans lack the ability to know the basic definitons of words is ridiculous (but if we Americans don’t know it why should we ever expect our President too – representative democracy, ftw), and the fact that the President can’t even stand on his own two feet in his own country and say those words – is ridiculous.

The question that should be asked is, whether or not Obama would appease terrorist? And/or would he appease enemy nation-states? Would he go about talking to any nation that decided to be bad? How would he select them? And on and on… Of course we could just take the McCain route of Foreign Policy where as President he is either your worst “nightmare,” or best friend, no questions need be asked of that policy (sarcasm).

PresidenToor on May 16, 2008 at 5:04 AM

Mc attacks a little later…!

“This does bring up an issue that we will be discussing with the American people, and that is, why does Barrack Obama, Senator Obama, want to sit down with a state sponsor of terrorism?”

Then this….Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said…

“It is the height of hypocrisy for John McCain to deliver a lofty speech about civility and bipartisanship in the morning and then embrace George Bush’s disgraceful political attack in the afternoon. Instead of delivering meaningful change, John McCain wants to continue George Bush’s irresponsible and failed Iran policy by refusing to engage in tough, direct diplomacy like Presidents from Kennedy to Reagan have done,”

Right on Tommy…!

J_Gocht on May 16, 2008 at 7:16 AM

Al-Burack fell right into it. And the leftards call Bush an idiot?

If someone screams “Hey, Moron!” into a crowd of 100 people and you are the only one to say “What did you call me?!” you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Aristotle on May 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM

What a moron. Talk about irony. Someone with the screename “Aristotle” is trying to say that all statements made in the political realm are exoteric. Can we please get his screename changed out of respect?

LevStrauss on May 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM