Breaking: California Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage; Update: Opinion-skimming analysis added!
posted at 1:11 pm on May 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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An election-year bombshell, just across the wires. Rove, you magnificent bastard. Stand by for updates.
Update: Here’s the opinion. How does 172 pages sound?
Update: The AP story is thin on specifics since it’ll take awhile to digest the holding. Read this useful bullet-point background from the Journal to get up to speed on the legal posture. Note that six of the seven justices on the court are Republicans. Will the ruling stick?
“Pro-family” organizations have submitted more than 1.1 million signatures for an initiative that would amend the state Constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage. If at least 694,354 signatures are found to be valid, the measure would go on the November ballot and, if approved by voters, would override any court ruling in favor of same-sex marriage.
Proposition 22, the California ballot initiative that defined marriage in the state as between one man and one woman (even if the marriage was entered into in another state that allows same-sex marriage), passed in 2000 by a margin of 1.7 million votes.
Update: Sounds like a major win:
Gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to marry in California, the state Supreme Court said today in a historic ruling that could be repudiated by the voters in November.
In a 4-3 decision, the justices said the state’s ban on same-sex marriage violates the “fundamental constitutional right to form a family relationship.” The ruling is likely to flood county courthouses with applications from couples newly eligible to marry when the decision takes effect in 30 days.
The ruling set off a celebration at San Francisco City Hall.
Update: A quick skim reveals that the opinion’s fairly straightforward. They start out by noting that California’s different from other states that have dealt with this insofar as it already has a robust domestic partnership law. All this is about, really, is whether gays should be allowed to “marry” the way straights do or whether they’re stuck with those partnership agreements that leave them married in effect but not in name. Conservatives like partnership schemes and/or civil unions as an alternative to gay marriage, but I’ve always thought that argument’s self-defeating since it leaves you with no substantive reason for drawing any distinction in the first place. Yes, (some) conservatives seem to be saying, gays can go ahead and have civil unions that grant them all the benefits married couples have — but for god’s sake, don’t let them call themselves “married.” To which a court can only reply, “Why not?” The right’s strategy, in other words, has been to concede 99 yards and then stand on the one-yard line and say “no further,” but that’s not how discrimination jurisprudence works. If you’re going to discriminate you need a good reason, and depending upon whom you’re discriminating against, you may need a very, very good reason.
That’s actually the key ruling here: The court holds on page 95 that because sexual orientation is (1) immutable, (2) unrelated to one’s ability to function in society, and (3) a target of prejudice, it should be treated as a “suspect classification” for purposes of the state constitution’s equal protection clause. Once it’s deemed a suspect classification then the state needs a very compelling reason to justify discriminating on the basis of it — and since, as I say, it’s already conceded those 99 yards, there’s no such reason to be had. (If you want to bore yourself with the vagaries of equal protection jurisprudence, read this old post about New Jersey’s gay marriage ruling.) All they’re doing is denying gays the label of marriage to preserve a sense of stigma, which is almost a paradigm case of what equal protection is meant to prevent. I have no problem with the ruling as long as other states aren’t compelled to recognize Cali marriages per full faith and credit, which, needless to say, is the battleground on which this decision’s going to be fought in the presidential race. Taking the federalist approach and letting each state decide for itself is an easy call for Maverick; what about the Prince of Peace?
Exit question: Remember this golden oldie from the 2006 midterms?
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Bring it.
Starlink on May 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Why does this not surprise me? Now what, on to the Supreme court?
Maxx on May 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Private contracts between adults shouldn’t have to be “legalized.”
Hannibal Smith on May 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Well, it IS California.
But I support gay marriage, so I’m not with the rest of you on this issue anyway.
Vyce on May 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Jodie Foster got out just in time.
ej_pez on May 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Sounds like something I’m not gonna read.
It’ll be overturned in November anyway… the Constitutional Amendment just got a 20-point boost.
hindmost on May 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM
It’s California. Who cares? Let all the folks who want to marry their gay partners move there and be happy.
funky chicken on May 15, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Rights flow from the state. Without government you have no rights. Correct?
lorien1973 on May 15, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Groovy baby!
Does that mean I can marry my gay dog?
Indy Conservative on May 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Yeah, I don’t really care much either.
I just find it interesting that people think their right of marriage flows from government. You have rights because of your existence. Government can only limit them.
lorien1973 on May 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Show of hands. Who is surprised? Oh wait that’s right we don’t do show of hands.
(Yes I just finished reading Fred!’s post at Townhall)
Just A Grunt on May 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Yeah, not exactly a top issue for me, either.
amerpundit on May 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM
No, these cases were decided on state law grounds; therefore, the decision cannot be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
paul006 on May 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM
For us red-electron addicts this is a bombshell. To the headcount it is a snoozer.
Limerick on May 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM
This is one of those issues that the republican party really needed to support. Gays are not a monolith. This made them one. Republicans really need to support ideas that just make sense.
lorien1973 on May 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Boom.
RD on May 15, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Really cool. I betcha this means I can marry the twin girls next door. That wouldn’t be a preversion, right? No, seriously, I’m a guy and they’re women. How could that be wrong? Oops, just not in TExas – there it is a crime.
Onager on May 15, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Early christmas present to McCain and the republican party.
thank you supreme court of california
Roger Waters on May 15, 2008 at 1:19 PM
“The state has no right to limit marriage to a man and woman”
Excellent. Bring on Polygamy and the right to marry my mother… or father.
Skywise on May 15, 2008 at 1:19 PM
No shaggy-delic, at least not yet.
RD on May 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Like a novella.
Just skimmed the opinion. Do they teach the art of half-paged footnotes in law school?
Slublog on May 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Limerick on May 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM
I often thought of visiting California but it means I would have to renew my US Passport.
hoi polloi on May 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM
An amendment to the California constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman is on the ballot in November.
Blake on May 15, 2008 at 1:21 PM
But my 2000 year old fable book, written by people who thought the earth was flat, says otherwise.
LevStrauss on May 15, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Brace yourself for mass exodus of FLDS “groups” to relocate to California. It now is officially the state of “Anything Goes”. If this is allowed – how can they say FLDS beliefs or NAMBLA is any different.
We truly are falling downhill into a geographic split in this country. I, for one, think it would be the best solution to some of our moral and social problems.
stenwin77 on May 15, 2008 at 1:21 PM
This is an outrage. All those gays at DisneyLand will be emboldened to turn our youth toward homosexuality. I predict a massive spike in homosexuals across the nation. Ask any Catholic priest- it’s hard to not lust after your fellow man.
bayam on May 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM
I need a shower! Come on guys! Who’s up for it!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM
What you fail to understand is that this opens up the definition of ‘marriage’. Now you can’t criticize someone who wants to ‘marry’ a 5 year old, or a dog, or 1000 wives. If a marriage is not between one man and one woman, it is merely a contract that says people are legally together and if they want to part, they must go through legal channels.
It isn’t shocking that lawyers want more things to charge for. After gay marriage comes gay divorce (which requires lawyers and fees).
ThackerAgency on May 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Doesn’t matter. The Court ruling claims that it’s a state right.
Skywise on May 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Yep. No doubt some crazy Californians will test the limits of this very soon. How about four gay guys who live together and like to bugger each other? Can the state tell them they can’t all marry each other now?
rockmom on May 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM
I don’t if we’re going to get mileage out of this issue. I don’t even really want to.
frankj on May 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM
I really don’t care about this much anymore. The state should get out of the marriage business if it isn’t going to be one man and one woman. Unions, contacts, whatever. At first glance I think the courts decision would allow that. I’m currently reading the dissent before the I read the decision. If it doesn’t go towards unions for everyone, I hope the constitutional amendment passes just to spit our enlightened philosopher kings.
ninjapirate on May 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Fine. Let’s make it a top issue for Congress and the presidency. Republicans could take California.
indythinker on May 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM
shuzilla on May 15, 2008 at 1:23 PM
All the head case born agains are scared they will turn gay.
LevStrauss on May 15, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Minneapolis airport men’s restroom at 5pm? It’s hard to stay straight in a gay world…
bayam on May 15, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Are there enough traditional values voters left in CA for this to matter? If so, those 55 electoral votes would sure look nice in the McCain column. McCain needs a strong condemnation out there now.
BrianBoru on May 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Oh, I’m pretty sure it could still go to SCOTUS via the full faith and credit clause.
Maxx on May 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Rights flow from God. a government without God only takes them away.
right4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Don’t be so melodramatic.
Marrying someone underage, especially 5, is illegal. It’s a joint decision by 2 adults.
Polygamy is illegal as well.
Marrying your dog is illegal. It cannot make the affirmative choice, either.
Criticize a gay marriage/guns/someone’s free speech all you want; no one stops you. But your disapproval is un-necessary for the ability to exercise a right to continue.
lorien1973 on May 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM
I’d support a change to “next of kin” state sanctioned designation and let the religious community handle marriage sanctions. That way any two people can designate each other as “next of kin” for legal, benefits and responsibilities purpose – could be your aging mother for example. It could be changed by mutual agreement annually just like your healthcare plan. Would solve a lot of the terminology and discrimination concerns.
MRegine on May 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM
My point exactly.
lorien1973 on May 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM
didn’t think darwin was writing 2000 years ago.
right4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Once again the fascist judges have overturned the will of a huge majority of the people. They did the same thing with denying illegals social services.
The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
jukin on May 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Well, they’re trying to get one on the ballot. But here’s the part that’s going to make your head explode: The court will say that such amendment is itself unconstitutional. In other words, the court will say you can’t amend the constitution to prohibit gay marriage, because such an amendment is a deprivation of equal protection.
You watch.
paul006 on May 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Welcome to the can of worms.
Just wait – since there is no excuse for gay couples not to marry, stand by for corporations to now deny benefits for straight and gay couples living together as domestic partners.
It will be a great way them to save money; now who’s got their nose in your bedroom?
Wander on May 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Hear hear.
The point of government codifying marriage was to institute family protections. (Making children being an important part of continuing a nation) If marriage has nothing to do with family (and in these definitions it doesn’t) these are “religious” issues and the state should not be involved.
To wit, we should move to better legal protections for raising children and protecting their interests until society figures this out again.
Skywise on May 15, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Thank you, I was looking for the correct words. It’s between two people of legal age, gay or not. That doesn’t mean you can marry your dog.
amerpundit on May 15, 2008 at 1:28 PM
I wonder what role this will plan with California Hispanics ? Could be a wedge issue there
William Amos on May 15, 2008 at 1:28 PM
OK. I don’t see the CA supreme court legalizing kiddie porn and sexual abuse, so it doesn’t bother me. Shrug. Of course I live in Alabama and don’t think it’s my business to tell Californians what their marriage laws should say.
It sounds like the state’s citizens are going to have a chance to vote on the issue, which is appropriate.
funky chicken on May 15, 2008 at 1:28 PM
The California Supreme court doesn’t care about the plebeian voters anyway… Douche bags… I don’t know why I bother voting here anymore…
liquidflorian on May 15, 2008 at 1:28 PM
I guess according to the decision, people can now be legally married to their work
ConservativePartyNow on May 15, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Single hetero males should just “team up”, then. Just for the financial benefits.
AZCON on May 15, 2008 at 1:29 PM
nobody says gays should be put in jail, but this is a proactive legal precedent for a marriage contract that is not in the historical legal realm of what a marriage is.
ThackerAgency on May 15, 2008 at 1:29 PM
This is not the will of the people but since when has that mattered?
repvoter on May 15, 2008 at 1:29 PM
This entire issue is really about only one thing: Money. Because the Fed and the State give tax breaks to married couples, gays want their “arrangement” to fall under that category as well. Same thing with insurance discounts. If their “marriage” is legal, the insurance company has to give them the same discount.
The Fed creates this problem with the tax code. Enact the Fair Tax and watch much of this problem go away.
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM
The court does not have such authority. A constitutional amendment supercedes a court ruling.
aunursa on May 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM
One thought comes to mind…..
Rodney Dangerfield in “Caddyshack”
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM
with the full faith and credit clause of the constitution they ARE telling you what your marriage laws can be.
right4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Don’t give them any ideas…
Slublog on May 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Next:
Polygamy. Muslims have lots of wives. It’s a lifestyle choice. We need to respect their lifestyle. Big deal that sometimes a 40 year old man marries a 12 year old girl. It’s a lifestyle choice, darn it!
Yep, slippery slope.
mjk on May 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM
If somebody tried to have their California same-sex marriage recognized elsewhere, you could get a federal case out of that. But the California Supreme Court’s decision to legalize gay marriage in California, on grounds of state law, that decision is not reviewable by the U.S. Supreme Court.
paul006 on May 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM
OMG the gays can get married now … conservative bigot eruption in 5, 4, 3 …
Ian on May 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM
I’m confused. Is California one of the 57 states?
db on May 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Mexifornication.
kirkill on May 15, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Dung!
Weiner -my German shepherd- and I have already packed!!
I already have 4 puppies from him. Can we marry in secret?
Indy Conservative on May 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM
I for one have no problem with gays being married and applaud this decision. There is no reason to prevent two adult PEOPLE (seriously people, the marrying the dog comparison is lame) who are in love from getting married. Your neighbors being gay and married will not hurt you in any way. I don’t understand the threat so many feel from gays. It’s not like they have fangs and will inject you with their gayness if you get too close or anything. They’re human beings who choose to live a lifestyle that is different than most but so what.
Yakko77 on May 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Why? Why is Bigamy a crime?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_the_United_States#Polygamy_defined
ninjapirate on May 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM
lorien1973 on May 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM
lorien it isn’t my disapproval of it. It is a legal precedent that forever changes the definition of what ‘marriage’ is under the law. If it isn’t between ONE man and ONE woman, then it could be many other things. This is the precedent. It has nothing to do with how I personally feel about it.
I don’t understand why it is important. I do believe that the government is approving behavior that is detrimental to the public health. It is as though the government were condoning smoking. . . as smoking is not as dangerous to your health as homosexual men. . . But you can’t pass lung cancer to someone else once you contract it. . . you can AIDS.
It is bad public precedent to promote this.
ThackerAgency on May 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM
No, you don’t understand. The California Court declared that the state cannot restrict marriage because its unlawful to restrict adults making a choice. It’s a RIGHT. That means Polygamy marriage between adults can’t be illegal. That means incestual marriage between adults can’t be illegal.
Beastial marriage illegal because animals can’t choose Well I guess we’ll have a mental aptitude marriage test on humans now? Or are we going to artificially restrict this right to those adults who aren’t mentally retarded?
Skywise on May 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM
yeah its ‘intolerant’ to do otherwise…
right4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:32 PM
This will be an election issue, only not the way the anti-gay marriage folks think. This is change…..change in the making, a bold step forward into the future, now take the hand of the man who offers change. Onward, upward….bleh……
Limerick on May 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM
This issue is not going to be enough for MCcain to win in Ca.
Gay marrige is here to stay, Ca is always a trend setter. I dont agree and I am born and raised here in Ca, but what can you do.
TroubledMonkey on May 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM
No thanks, I find the forced approval of lunacy disguised as normality abhorrent.
Darth Executor on May 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM
The people voted against it through an exercise in direct democracy but we’re expected to let a handful of eggheads tell us they were wrong. What’s the point? Just stop holding elections of any kind in California and let these robes throw their coup openly. If we’re going to live under judicial dictatorship then let’s be honest about it.
At least this give McCain a target to beat up when he rails against activists judges. This is the most egregious example of unelected judges ruling in direct opposition to the clearly stated will of the people we could ever expect. This should put Dear Leader Barry O on the defensive and bring out all the brainwashed hicks who cling to their religion to vote against him.
Still a sad day for the pretense of democracy and self-rule by the people.
Vote Sauron 08 on May 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Just another chink in the armor of 50,000 years of tradition. Do the gays really care? I think not, they just want to feel good, and destroying traditional marriage makes them feel all powerful and tingly.
kirkill on May 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Also, this isn’t a top issue for me. And can we stop with the marrying of the various animals comments?
Ian on May 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM
To the gay marriage advocates:
Be careful what you wish for… you just might get it!
Have fun with the state divvying up your finances and sorting out your affairs when your relationships don’t work out.
cool breeze on May 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM
I’m sure that one of these judicial misfits from California will get the first appointment to the US Supreme Court from President Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
sdd on May 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Here’s how we can solve the “definition”, make it be between two consenting adults, regardless of orientation. That gets rid of the animal/child lovers wish to marry and I think something most people could agree on.
modnar on May 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM
why not 3 or 4? and if islamic culture says you can marry a 10 year old, well isn’t it intolerant not to let them?? hmmmm???
but of course some pigs are more ‘tolerated’ than others…
right4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM
All this does is draw out the opposition. Thanks for adding fuel to the fire. Watch the constitutional amendment pass this fall by a wide margin.
Theworldisnotenough on May 15, 2008 at 1:34 PM
That’s the thing. There should be no benefits for marriage. I always laugh when so called small government types say that we must engage in social engineering. Words like “compelling state interest” are the terms of socialists.
LevStrauss on May 15, 2008 at 1:35 PM
ever notice that gays have to imitate every aspect of heterosexual relations? at the same time they have sneering contempt for ‘breeders’. truth is they’re desperate for approval for their lifestyle, and since they can’t get it from God, they look to the state to be their ‘god’ and approve their lifestyle.
right4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Here’s the operative bit at the end of the 4-3 majority opinion:
“Accordingly, in light of the conclusions we reach concerning the constitutional questions brought to us for resolution, we determine that the language of section 300 limiting the designation of marriage to a union “between a man and a woman” is unconstitutional and must be stricken from the statute, and that the remaining statutory language must be understood as making the designation of marriage available both to opposite-sex and same-sex couples. In addition, because the limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples imposed by section 308.5 can have no constitutionally permissible effect in light of the constitutional conclusions set forth in this opinion, that provision cannot stand.”
Importantly, when the court refers to the constitution, it is referring to the California Constitution, not the U.S. So, the upcoming initiative (assuming it has enough signatures) to amend the California Constitution would have the effect of undoing this decision.
In the mean time, there’s going to be a rush on the County Clerks’ offices for marriage licenses to beat that upcoming vote.
BananaSlug on May 15, 2008 at 1:36 PM
It is the moral decline of our Nation. Whatever 2 people do in their bedrooms (or 4 or 6 or 8) is their business. They should not be persecuted for it but it is not morally the right thing to do.
Argue all you want. It’s not morally right.
stenwin77 on May 15, 2008 at 1:36 PM
What’s worse is speaking out against homosexuality. It’ll get you fired!
Firing raises 1st Amendment, equal protection issues: Exec dismissed for ‘contradicting’ university agenda
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 15, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Our libertarian commenters fail to realize that the people pushing this are not libertarians, they are leftists. It is not about just wanting to be left alone. They are looking forward to how they can use this ruling to enforce more thought crimes on the rest of us.
Nosferightu on May 15, 2008 at 1:36 PM
This brings back memories of my mother’s wedding. Beautiful August day, 1993. I was 10. It was a nice ceremony, and in the end, my mother was happily married to the woman she loved… just not legally.
I have no problem with two consenting adults entering into a monogamous union. I have a slight linguistic issue with calling it marriage, but this comes from a division in my mind between being wed legally and being wed spiritually. It should be up to each state to sort this sort of thing out. Do the people of California want to legalize gay marriage? Some might, others don’t. As a Virginia resident, it’s not my place to judge those that live 3000 miles away.
For the curious, my mother is no longer with that woman from her wedding day. She turned out to be physically and mentally abusive to both my mother and I – which makes me glad my mother was not legally married. It would have been harder to for her to leave and get her life back.
the goddess anna on May 15, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Refusing to encourage lunacy isn’t bigotry.
Darth Executor on May 15, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Besides marriage should be a sacrament outside of the claws of the Federal or State governments. My 2000 year old fable books says something about giving Caesar what’s his and I don’t think that includes religious sacraments.
LevStrauss on May 15, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Until they move in next to you, since Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, aka the “Full Faith and Credit Clause” requires each state to respect the “public acts, records, and judicial rulings” of other states.
That, funky chicken, means “Down Home Alabama!”
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on May 15, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Absolutely true. The court has no power to declare the Constitution….. un-Constitutional.
Maxx on May 15, 2008 at 1:38 PM
I support gay marriage, only when it’s between two sexy young girls and only if they post their wedding night sex tape online.
Indy Conservative on May 15, 2008 at 1:38 PM
As a black woman who happens to be an alumnus of the University of Toledo’s Graduate School, an employee and business owner, I take great umbrage at the notion that those choosing the homosexual lifestyle are ‘civil rights victims.’ Here’s why.
because its of course ‘intolerant’ to criticize homosexuals in any way shape or form. Thats why they want ‘hate crimes’ ie thought crimes, laws.
right4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Wasn’t there a state recently thinking about totally scrapping state marriages, allowing courts to only perform civil unions and only churchs to perform marriages? What ever happend with that?
BohicaTwentyTwo on May 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Here’s a clever idea, stop reading the comments.
kirkill on May 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM
I’d like to know whether churches in California can be sued for refusing to perform gay weddings. If yes, this thing will be overturned somehow.
sloopy on May 15, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Darwin talked about Caesar? I thought he was more concerned about justifying his racist views with ’science’
right4life on May 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM
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