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Don’t dance around the issue, are you ready to kill every muslim? Bishop on May 14, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Well, we didn’t need to kill every Japanese and German to totally defeat them. But lemme ask you: would you kill every Muslim if you were certain that it would prevent a 10 megaton nuke from going off in Denver?

Be honest.

OK, I’m changing positions. Forget waterboarding, use hot irons, pulling teeth with pliers, acid in the eyes, and we will dispose of the corpse later after he has spilled the beans. Or how about a no prisoner’s doctrine?

The “high ground” just got lowered, a lot!

Don’t dance around the issue, are you ready to kill every muslim?

So what does “ALL” include, exactly?

Bishop on May 14, 2008 at 3:18 PM

It means using any and all tools at our disposal to defeat a fanatical and violent religious ideology/doctrine that threatens our very freedoms and existence.

We need to stop worrying about being PC for fear of offending Muslims and do whatever needs to be done including enhanced interrogation techniques (water boarding if needed) and hitting them hard and often militarily until they come to the realization that they need to reform their religion or they and their fanatical/violent religion will be eliminated once and for all.

This is not the first time Islam has reared its ugly head, Islam has a long history of attempting to convert the world to Islam by the sword and the establishment of a world ruled under their strict Sharia Caliphate, this is not some new doctrine being carried out by “militants” that “hijacked” the Islamic religion, this doctrine is and always has been in the Koran, their holy book!

IMHO in order to ensure long term peace throughout the world where all cultures and religions live in peaceful co-existence either the Muslim religion changes their religious ideology of hate, violence, intolerance, and goal of world domination to an ideology of peaceful co-existence or they should be eliminated with extreme prejudice using any and all tools we have available regardless of how politically incorrect it may seem to some! After all, survival needs come first, the rest (being PC, reconciliation, etc.) can come after Islam has changed their ideology and agenda and if they don’t we must change it for them, even if it means they no longer exist.

This doctrine may sound harsh but they have a choice in the matter. They must bring about a fundamental change in their current religious ideology and doctrine so it is more conducive to peaceful co-existence or the rest of the world should demonstrate to them (through actions and not words) that we have had enough and if they continue on their path they will cease to exist. Again it’s their decision to continue on their current path not ours, so they have a very important decision to make and the west and freedom loving people all over the world must force them to make that decision because the longer we wait the stronger they get, the weaker we get (in their eyes) and more people are going to suffer and die because of our inaction and hesitation to draw a final line in the sand when it comes to Islam and its current and long history of being a violent and intolerant religious ideology that does not currently (nor ever has) had the intention of peacefully co-existing with any other religion or doctrine outside of Islam!

In other words we know what their intentions and ultimate goals are so lets stop playing their game and force them to decide once and for all, will it be peaceful co-existence or will it be elimination? To use an anaology here it’s just like with a bully, if you keep playing his game on his terms you will continue to be bullied. But if you knock his azz down, you bloody his nose, and look him straight in the eye and tell him that under no terms will you continue to put up with his bullying more times than not they will leave you alone, and if that doesn’t work you hammer the Shiite out of him to prove what you said to him was not an idle threat.

This (IMHO) is the only option the “religion of peace” has left us with, they have painted themselves and us into a corner and when cornered one is only left with two options, fight or submit and I personally will not submit to Islam’s warped, violent, and intolerant religious ideology, ever! Islam is at a very important crossroad and I hope for everyone’s sake (including theirs) they choose wisely.

So what does “ALL” include, exactly?

Don’t worry though, most of us go through that “look how thoughtful I am” stage; I used to quote sociological theories all the time while I attended college.

Whoa..history has been made, a college student believes they have insight.

How can we pervert words and attitudes that depict the Jews as apes, swine, and Christians as those who have strayed from the true path of Islam? There is no perverting required to reach todays conclusion.

This denial is so prevalent, not only in liberal circles, but conservative circles as well. We need to stop being afraid to tell Muslims that there is something fatally wrong with their religion, and that some sort of reformation needs to be put in place.

blatantblue on May 14, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Excellent points and they support my opinion and the point I was making in my previous post. The absence of action from these so called “moderate Muslims” to reclaim their religion of peace from those “militants” that have “hijcaked” their religion along with the teachings of the Koran make the argument in support of such a theory that moderate Muslims exist very weak indeed, in fact it makes it about as probable as the existence of the unicorn.

Not to mention buying into this theory weakens our resolve and keep us from doing ALL that needs to be done to defeat this murderous religious ideology once and for all!

Bishop on May 14, 2008 at 2:55 PM

saw this after my final post, so here we go.

If you can’t deal with my “Attacks,” then do not put words in my mouth. A shame a college student is having to tell you this, is it not?

Blame is to be placed at both places, the one that goes and blows up a crowd full of people, obviously, and the religion that espouses such hatred. Why is that wrong, or incorrect?

I’m not trying to be the resident expert. I pointed out who that is, and it is Robert Spencer. Perhaps you’d like to go refute his expertise on Islam? No one else has been able to so far, so why don’t you give it a shot?

I don’t need to explain whether or not those who do not engage in Jihad or not are true Muslims. Stop with these irrelevant questions. The problem at hand is the violence and hatred spewed about in Islamic doctrine. Whether or not people follow certain violent tenets in the religion is irrelevant.

Not every Muslim engages in Jihad. As an Arabic student myself, I tend to think that this is because most Muslims do not speak Arabic. There are only 300 Million speakers, and 1.2-1.5 billion Muslims. So, perhaps this linguistic barrier prevents many more Muslims from reaching a more intimate understand of Islamic scripture. Perhaps this is part of the reason why there aren’t more jihadists.

Anyway, not every Muslim engages in Jihad, and they all have different reasons for not doing so.

The point is that there is something fatally wrong with the Qur’an and Ahadith, and with Islam as a whole. Pointing this out is not analogous to rabid and ignorant liberals, nor is it bigoted. If we are ever going to change anything, we need to open and honest about the problem. This does not mean we go on witch hunts and burn at the stake those who practice Islam.

What it means is diagnosing what’s wrong, and trying to figure out if there is some way we can get Islamic people to denounce and reform these violent themes.

The nile is nice,
But denial isn’t.

-C.H.

If there is something “fatally wrong” with islam then its abuse should be laid at the feet of those who commit crimes in its name, as it should be for any religious zealot.

You are trying awfully hard to be the resident expert on islam, so please explain whether those who don’t explicitly follow the Koran are true muslims or not.

You’re taking two books that are a conglomeration of various authors, with one (The New Testament) being the basis of the religion, and the other being unimportant, and comparing it to a book with a single author and authority; a book that is important in its whole, unlike the Bible.

wise_man on May 14, 2008 at 2:42 PM

What’s wrong with blaming Islam when Islam has the commands in its scripture?!

Am I saying every Muslim takes part in Jihad? No, and if someone can find where I said it I will pay pal you my small savings account.

The point is there is something wrong with the religion.

You people act as if these Sheiks and Imams sit there trying to mooooold and twiiiist Islam all day long! My point, and the point of Spencer (who no one has been able to refute), is that the ideals of Islamic supremacy, violence towards unbelievers and Jews is chock full in the Qur’an and Ahadith.

How is this bigoted? Of course not every Muslim takes part in Jihad. It is abundantly clear, as we don’t have 1.2 suicide vests going off.

However, it is ridiculous how you people write off people’s concerns with Islamic doctrine as bigoted, and you claim that folks like the Blind Sheik, Sayyid Qutb, Ayman al-Zawahiri are all twisting islam!!!

Bishop on May 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM

When did I say every Muslim is a murderer?

I didn’t. I am simply pointing out there is something fatally wrong with Islam. Thanks for the distortion though.

Did I say every Muslim follows through?

No. I thought the reading comprehension level here was higher.

Wrizzong!
The religion is not being hijacked. The Qur’an and the Ahadith are explicit in their commands to convert non Muslim peoples to Islam.
It is explicit in its command to wage war on these people, especially if they refuse to convert to Islam.
This religion is not being perverted.
blatantblue on May 14, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I spent about a year in an Islamic country, and no one ever tried to kill me, convert me to Islam or try to get my 8 year old daughter to murder other arabs. Not that I had an 8 year old daughter, but the point stands. Either I wasn’t actually in an Islamic country, or your version of Islam only exists in corrupt regimes (such as Iran – and not all Iranians buy into this crap) and poor, uneducated, backwater hell holes where Islam is perverted by the people who are in control.

I completely agree with others when it’s pointed out what rotten things are done in the name of Islam. The charlatans in Islam who use their religion to twist and mold their people to stay ignorant to the truth and to hate are ten times worse than any fraudulent corrupt Christian leader here in the US.

Conservatives who claim that all of Islam is to blame when there is a horrific act like this is giving all conservatives a bad name. I expect ignorance and bigotry from liberals and comments on liberal websites. I don’t want to see them here – and if I do, the only thing I can do is challenge them so that the liberals who read this page won’t be convinced that ‘all conservatives think that all of Islam is responsible for this. Or whatever.

Do all muslims consider their nutcases martyrs? If either of us can name just one muslim who doesn’t then your claim falls flat.

Why are HotAir readers so reluctant? Do you folks not even read Spencer’s Qur’an series?

I’m not ready to blame the entire religion for its nutcases

Do the Christians, Jews, and Catholic consider their “nutcases” martyrs?