Mark Levin to GOP candidates: Cut ties with McCain and the RNC and run as conservatives
posted at 8:41 pm on May 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It won’t do any good. At this point, who would believe them?
Look on the bright side: It only took six years to get from the Watergate wipeout to Reagan. What could go wrong?
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The problem with most Republicans right now and especially, JUAN McCain, they are not offering any alternative to the American people.
Most people don’t get the supreme court and most think the war should end. On all other issues, the Repubs (not all) are just the same.
WE ARE DIFFERENT, WE NEED TO ACT LIKE IT.
stenwin77 on May 15, 2008 at 8:07 AM
The GOP needs to start all over again with a new cadre of challenger candidates who are not career politicians and can unite under a new “Contract with America” type of campaign. They need to create a banner of “The New Republicans” like the “new Conservatives” have just done in the U.K. And the new contract needs to include promises of personal ethical and moral behavior, no earmarks, no new taxes, border enforcement, and regulatory relief for small business.
This campaign cannot be waged successfully until 2010. The GOP is going to take a bath this year regardless, thanks to George Bush. But he will be gone in 2012 and the party can start rebuilding the brand. It’s going to take some time but at least we have a blueprint of how it can be done.
rockmom on May 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM
The Democrats that are winning in historically “red” areas, are running on a conservative platform. Democrats are winning by way of running to the right of Republicans. Happened here in Montana in 06, and will continue to happen across the country. The facts are plain to see…. Those who think Conservatives are “dead in the water” fail to recognize just how the democrat strategy is working in conservative areas. We get rid of phonies; simple as that. The GOP has lost a portion of it’s base that can’t be replaced. Republicans can’t win without the Conservative vote. These are not my words; this is a historical fact. Conservatism is a way of life rather than a bunch of words & broken promises. If a democrat stands behind conservative values & principles, that man/woman will get my vote. I don’t care about the (R) or the (D), I care about core values & principles.
Take a good look at Lindsey Graham & the gang of 14….. How could that action be related to the Republican Party? House cleaning a-coming… We have been warning the GOP of this for the past (4) years minimum.
Keemo on May 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM
ITA! Awesome post!
Jodella on May 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM
The only way to do this correctly is to have term limits for congress. Really tight term limits.
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 8:42 AM
I don’t have time to read all the comments, but I would just say that if you don’t want to support the RNC, fine, but be sure to contribute directly to the campaigns of Republican conservatives.
Buy Danish on May 15, 2008 at 9:14 AM
All hail the One Party State!
ronsfi on May 15, 2008 at 9:34 AM
As usual Mark is dead on target. The RNC is now a huge joke to the DNC. There will be a Democratic, liberal landslide this fall and the idiot RNC, full of self aggrandizing, short sighted lawyer/politicians will still be wondering why, while the country goes down the tubes. Ronnie is turning over in his grave and Rome is burning. Yet these idiots can’t see it, much less do anything about it. What’s the name of the RNC chairman? I forgot……….
ultracon on May 15, 2008 at 9:50 AM
Right on “Great One”. Back to basics and fight the good fight for the right reasons.
Unfortunately, the RINO’s have lost their way
MSGTAS on May 15, 2008 at 9:58 AM
I don’t have time to read all the comments, but I would just say that if you don’t want to support the RNC, fine, but be sure to contribute directly to the campaigns of Republican conservatives.
Buy Danish on May 15, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Will do. That’s the idea.
STAY HOME ‘08
DfDeportation on May 15, 2008 at 9:58 AM
There is still a write in possibility and I ain’t talking Bob Barr.
Just A Grunt on May 15, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Conservatives need to wake up and start thinking 2012. We have sit on our butts and allowed the leadership of this country to sell us out. McCain-Kennedy was only the beginning of the way McCain will change the course of our nation to the detriment of our futures.
volsense on May 15, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Just A Grunt, Jerry Curry looks like a great candidate. But his website says he’s reluctantly behind McLaim.
kirkill on May 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Bob Michael, the former minority leader in the House back in the 70’s and 80’s just wanted to get along, resigned to his permanent minority status.
I’m getting similar vibes from these guys- with the exception of Gingrich and DeLay, the GOP has always been infected with squishes and get-alongs.
The problem, especially with spending, is that I believe they don’t care about leading as long as they can individually keep their seats.
jjshaka on May 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM
House Minority Leader John Boehner was quoted as saying, “No one could have anticipated that assisting a drunken, lying, amoral, little gargoyle to ruin the country would have a political down side.”
sashal on May 15, 2008 at 11:04 AM
I wish there were someone amoung us that was powerful enough to make up a “Contract for America; By Americans” and we could all band together and send this to our local Reps and tell them that until they agree with this, we will not send a DIME nor will we vote for them, no matter what. Operation Chaos is working, why can’t this? Seems politicians no longer care about us and we are threatened into voting for the “less of evils” now but we CAN turn this tide around. Look at how NumbersUSA worked when the illegal immigration legislation was up for vote. They think they are dealing with a bunch of idiots but nothing could be further from the truth. We need to use the internet and band together and DEMAND action or they WILL NOT get our votes.
Nils2en on May 15, 2008 at 11:15 AM
This smells of another “Perot” fiasco. Same arguments, same sentiment, and it will be the same outcome.
Voting for Perot did not help the country, look what we ended up with.
right2bright on May 15, 2008 at 11:43 AM
No, this is not Perot. Perot got the same “independents” that McCain is campaigning for. He did not get conservatives.
spmat on May 15, 2008 at 12:00 PM
John Boehner definitely has the balls and the credibility to lead the comeback, but he has no support from the old bulls like Jerry Lewis and Hal Rogers, or especially from the K Street lobbyist crowd that really took over the House GOP under Tom DeLay. There is a shitload of Republican lobbyists who made fortunes in the last 10 years and they do not want an end to earmarks, a balanced budget, lower taxes, or anything else conservative. They love big government; they make money helping people and corporations navigate it. Many of them are former House members like Bob Livingston, and children of House members like Denny Hastert’s son. These people have a vested interest in keeping Congress running just the way it is, and they make money whether the Republicans or Democrats are in charge.
I think the average Republican/conservative really has no idea how huge this lobbying/fundraising complex has become and how married most of the House GOP is to it.
If I really thought Barack Obama even had a clue about this in all of his rhetoric about the special interests, I might vote for him. But the machine will chew him up and spit him out if he manages to get elected.
rockmom on May 15, 2008 at 12:08 PM
The way you T.C.’s talk, you can win this whole thing without us “RINO’s” that was your plan with Romney right?
Squid Shark on May 15, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Christ, Al, way to be positive. Whose side are you on?
Spanglemaker on May 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I’m sorry, but to which drunken, lying, amoral, little gargoyle was the Minority Leader making reference, exactly?
oldleprechaun on May 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM
We’ll see if this idea of a conservative wins. We have Doug Ose, a RINO if ever there was one, just blasting a true conservative, Tom McClintoc, who is running against him for Congress. The RINO is so well funded that we see so many slime commercials against Tom that I truly believe that old maxim, if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, it eventually becomes true.
TimothyJ on May 15, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Somebody has been reading my comments. Although I wrote differently days ago. Here it is:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/11/quote-of-the-day-266/
Indy Conservative on May 15, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I feel the pain of those for whom the good (The Mav) is the mortal enemy of the perfect (Ronaldus Magnus or some such conservative ideal that could never possibly get elected on a national level).
So, by all means stay home in November. Or vote, but ignore the top of the ticket. But understand that the practical effect of all that will be to place the love babies of Malcolm X and Cythnia McKinney in the White House during one of the most crucial, war-fighting decades in modern human history.
The Maverick is not the perfect candidate by any means, and he’d probably be among the first to admit that. I support him for foreign policy reasons. And compared to the only possible alternatives of Obama or Clinton, (this also includes hapless third-way types like Ron Paul and the Don Quixote-esque Bob Barr), there simply is no contest to speak of.
Mike D. on May 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM
…”if you don’t want to support the RNC, fine, but be sure to contribute directly to the campaigns of Republican conservatives.”
Buy Danish: I would like to do that, but who are these conservative Repubs?
I agree term limits are necessary, but that’s another pipe dream. Who in Congress are goin’ to vote for their reign to end after 2 terms? What would Teddy do without his Senate seat?
Christine on May 15, 2008 at 1:04 PM
One real problem conservatives face is that center/right voters don’t have any understanding of strategy in voting.
Namely, if you are to right of center, you should *always* vote for the most conservative candidate running for congress, even if there is another candidate whose political views more closely match your own.
Why?
Because the legislature is made up of hundreds of individuals, and your candidate is only going to ever so slightly change ideological bent of the body as a whole.
To put some numbers to the problem, imagine a 0-10 scale, where 10 is completely conservative, and 0 completely liberal. Further suppose that you are a 6, and the upcoming Senatorial election features a Democrat 4 running against a Republican 10. Simple logic would say everything be equal you should vote for the centerist Democrat since his views are closer to your own.
But the effect of your vote is not quite that simple, since there are 99 other Senators in the body. For ease of argument, presume that the average of these individuals works out to a 5. Voting for the Democrat then will lower the average score to a 4.99. Voting for the Republican will raise the average score to a 5.05.
A small change indeed - but which voting method gets the Senate as a whole closer to our center/right individuals political views?
This is something the Left seems to get - and why extremists like Kennedy face such an easy road to re-election time and again. MA may be liberal, but it is not that liberal. Of course the structure of the Left encourages this too. While they are generally enamoured of those further to the Left of them, it is all to common to see moderate conservatives tearing into those further on their right…
18-1 on May 15, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Ahem.
We wouldn’t even be in this situation if it weren’t for WaPo and “macaca.”
Blame them.
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Make guns Illegal?
Johan Klaus on May 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM
I’m sorry, but to which drunken, lying, amoral, little gargoyle was the Minority Leader making reference, exactly?
oldleprechaun
Yeah, who?
pseudonominus on May 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Levin has the right idea (although I can’t see the RedLasso video, as usual).
Purge RINOs. Stop accepting every false premise from leftists like “Global Warming,” and “Tax Cuts must be paid for”! Stop awarding government rights and priveleges to illegal aliens, felons, rats, mice, insects, birds, and polar bears and concentrate all efforts on making the lives of taxpaying US citizens better!! Get back to originalist, conservative, ideals. Then build programs which further these ideals.
Then follow through: don’t blow it all again by sitting on your thumbs, feasting on pork, and conceding every issue to the liberals!!!
landlines on May 15, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Term limits are only necessary when voters shirk their responsibility. It’s like when Congress complains about the WH overstepping it’s bounds…to which I say - well you’re there to be a check/balance so do your job!
Spirit of 1776 on May 15, 2008 at 2:33 PM
landlines on May 15, 2008 at 2:03 Pm
Yes comrade, we have not had a good purging since ‘37
Squid Shark on May 15, 2008 at 2:53 PM
As usual, you McCainiacs get everything completely backwards.
Romney was our last hope for even a slightly conservative candidate… The most acceptable RINO that we could stomach. Our last hope to keep the GOP in sane hands. We didn’t try t shove him down your throats and we never said we could win without you.
We told you and told you and told you that we would most definitely NOT support McCain. But you Mediocrats™ decided it was his turn and that he was the only one who could save your precious little centrist hides from HillObama. YOU all insisted that you didn’t need us stupid old fossil-cons; The Vast Middle-of-the-road establishment was ‘large and in charge’ and Conservatives should just go off someplace and die quietly.
YOU McCainiacs told us that McCain’s Mavericky Maverickness would win the hearts and minds and open wallets of the vast majority of Americans, and would win in a landslide.
Well. You Mediocrats™ MAY have the numbers. But you don’t open your wallets and you are completely incompetent at running a sensible campaign.
If you can get your candidate elected, well more power to you. And when he ruins the economy and fails to come through on any of his other slightly conservative leaning campaign
liespromises that you CHOOSE believe in despite all the evidence to the contrary, don’t come crying to us.LegendHasIt on May 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM
QFT.
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Did he do that, or just enforce law??
Also, IF you continue to say that he outlawed guns and still reduced crime significantly then where does your argument go that more guns equals less crime? >:D
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Which law would that be? Because my Constitution reads “shall not infringe.”
As for your supposed correlation=causation argument, it fails when you consider that anytime governments actually punish crime, crime goes down. Gun laws do not necessarily cause that.
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 4:17 PM
In many ways, the gun laws were a means of taking down the gangs. If G. Angbanger threw the Baggies of drugs down the sewer before the cops got to him in a bust, he was out on the street within hours.
But if his fingerprints turned up on a ditched gun, they got to keep Mister Angbanger for a while longer.
Sekhmet on May 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM
How high was the murder rate before and then after Rudy was in Office?
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 4:35 PM
BTW, I have lots of guns however I do not live a large City, and I also believe that reasonable restrictions can and should be used.
(Do you think Illegal aliens should be able to purchase firearms? Thats a form of gun control, just asking for ID to purchase a firearm.. )
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Gun control laws were laws even New York liberals could not argue with enforcing. And the one thing gangbangers carried as often as drugs and grudges were guns. If the liberals wouldn’t take down crack dealers (in fear of the same laws being used against their pot dealers), and were so loath to criminalize gang membership, that left guns as the only means to get the gangsters.
Sekhmet on May 15, 2008 at 4:47 PM
First of all Guns are not outlawed in NY City and its not Unconstitutional.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/nyc.aspx
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 4:48 PM
http://www.gopachy.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6235&page=3#Item_11
Check out this page then scroll down a little bit it has more pictures with more charts. OF NY City Gun laws
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Gangsters weren’t big on registering their guns. Again, the big driver of the NYC murder rate pre-Rudy was organized crime. And gun control laws were used to give sentences with teeth in them to the perpetrators of organized crime, taking them off the streets and denying their services to the gang long enough that by the time most criminals got out, their fellow crooks were either dead or out of the life.
Sekhmet on May 15, 2008 at 5:00 PM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *WHEW*
That was classic.
I was never hostile toward you T.C.’s until I was all but beaten and run out of town at every turn for being a McCain supporter. I used to think that together the Conservatives and the Republitarians had done some great things. I dont know what I Mediocrat is supposed to be, but I am sure it is not supposed to be flattering.
Squid Shark on May 15, 2008 at 5:13 PM
I own my guns legally I don’t mind registration, I don’t see what the big deal is, I actually think that its pretty much common sense. (do you want illegal aliens buying guns at stores? under age people.. etc.. )
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Registration is always the first step toward confiscation.
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 5:29 PM
Uh… Carter?
Beo on May 15, 2008 at 5:29 PM
So, no background checks for purchases?
Ex-con’s, Felons can buy firearms?
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Mediocrat™
Strictly defined:
From the latin; Medio: Middle
From the Greek; -crat: advocate or partisan of a (specified) theory of government.
Works on another level too:
Mediocrat™: From the Legend: One who embraces mediocrity in government.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mediocrity
Also see:
From the Urban Dictionary; Mediocracy:
1) Rule by those who are of average or below average competence.
2) A society in which people with little (if any) talent and skill are dominant and highly influential.
3) A social or administrative system which is like an antithesis to a meritocracy.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mediocracy
LegendHasIt on May 15, 2008 at 5:47 PM
True. I am not a truther but lately I have this idea: people like Mccain, Graham, Specter and others are really liberal plants within the GOP and their main aim is really to destroy the Republican party. I am not willing to change my party affilliation to independent. I believe that I am the true Republican. However, I am not going to donate one cent towards the current party(at the moment I get about two requests a day for money). I am going to wait for them to support true conservative Republicans. It may take years but sooner or later we will get on track again.
SIJ6141 on May 15, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Registration is a whole different thing from a background check. As I’m sure you are smart enough to know.
LegendHasIt on May 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM
OK then, since that does not describe me on either level…
I will assume you were talking to someone else.
Squid Shark on May 15, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Liberal plants….
I am going to put that one up with the “McCain was Brainwashed in Hanoi” theory….into the round file.
Squid Shark on May 15, 2008 at 5:57 PM
I consider it the same thing..(how do you know what they do with it?)
Whe I go in an but a shotgun, they ask for my drivers license or an ID..(How the hell do i know what they do with it from there? Nor do i really care…, I take the shotgun home that day no questions asked)
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM
I consider it the same thing..(how do you know what they do with it?)
When I go in an buy a shotgun, they ask for my drivers license or an ID..(How the hell do i know what they do with it from there? Nor do i really care…, I take the shotgun home that day no questions asked)
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM
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Cleaned up for spelling, sheesh..
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 6:01 PM
I don’t know if you like to read fiction or not, but if you do I have a really good book to recommend to you. It will not only entertain you, but it will give you a perspective on the gun culture that you’ve never had before. I really do mean this with all sincerity and friendship. This book meant a lot to me and it has meant a lot to thousands of people.
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Well, then you consider it incorrectly.
Familiarity with the actual laws can be a useful thing if you are trying to argue the fine points if a legal debate.
You COULD know what they do with it by reading the laws:
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/27cfr178_01.html
LegendHasIt on May 15, 2008 at 6:30 PM
reasonable restrictions or checks are needed, its just common sense.
I don’t why some law abiding gun owners get so upset, it actually protects our rights to have some of these checks in place for law enforcement to use against the bad guys.
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 6:41 PM
The government is the bad guys.
trs on May 15, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Amnesty Amendments May Surface in Senate TODAY
Call Your Senators Now!!!
There is no time to waste! Senate staffers have informed FAIR that the Iraq War Supplemental Bill is today becoming the vehicle for all sorts of disastrous immigration amendments. This bill is being marked up in the Appropriations Committee this afternoon and may be on the Senate floor any time.
In particular, the Senate Appropriations Committee has just adopted an AgJobs amendment offered by Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). AgJobs, as you may remember, grants amnesty to millions of illegal alien agricultural workers in the U.S. and makes it easier for agribusiness to import more foreign guest workers. FAIR is working at this very moment to learn the details of this amendment.
DfDeportation on May 15, 2008 at 7:15 PM
But who gets to decide what’s reasonable? Chuck Schumer has a different definition of reasonable than you or I do.
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 8:53 PM
well, the supreme court ultimately..
however, i believe the laws as they are are sufficient, we don’t need any more.
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Strawman.
I’m not saying that conservatives shouldn’t compromise. I believe that we have proven our ability to compromise for eight years. We’ve compromised with moderates. We’ve compromised with liberals. We’ve compromised and compromised.
Now it’s time for someone to compromise with us. I’ve had to fight tooth and nail to even be heard at times in this party. I refuse to become to this party what blacks and gays are to the Democrats - the vote that will always be there no matter how much it’s mistreated. If John McCain wants my vote he can bloody well do his job as a candidate and earn it.
Jimmie on May 15, 2008 at 9:11 PM
GWB had 2 Supreme Court Justices BOTH Good.
Lower taxes, Great..
Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act passed and later constitutionally passed the Supreme Court.
War on terror.(made great progress, and also made good progress on some weapon systems)
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM
what is it that you have been compromising?
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM
One of which was very nearly Harriet Miers. As I recall, we only got her name recalled because conservatives had to scream themselves raw-throated to head off the President.
Which are 1) temporary, and 2) were criticized by our current nominee quite publicly as tax cuts for the rich.
This is simple common decency. How conservative do you have to be to know that you can’t be a civilized country and still allow people to suck the brains out of a living child?
Again, making sure folks do not come in and kill us is not a conservative value. Every Republican, at least, ought to be fully on board with this. This is not something on which reasonable people disagree.
Here’s what I have compromised.
1) A massive expansion of the public sector that has little to do with the current war we’re in. This includes No Child Left Behind, a laughable Transportation Security Agency, and a new Medicare Prescription Plan.
2) My First Amendment right to political speech.
3) The ability to have a President whose nominees are given a fair hearing and subjected to a basic up or down vote like the Constitution says without having to go through a second, unconstitutional panel of Senators, like they were auditioning for American Idol or something.
Those are pretty freaking huge, wouldn’t you say?
In addition, I’ve had to deal with an administration that’s been completely unwilling to decisively address the criticisms of the left on the war and basic conservative values. Our current nominee couldn’t be roused to defend his fellow soldiers when they were being called rapists and thugs like those of Pol Pot and Josef Stalin. I and my fellow conservatives had to do that. Our current nominee says that he is for smaller government, but for the life of me I can’t recall when he’s taken a firm stand on actually making the government smaller. Tell me one time, for instance, when he encouraged the President to veto a spending bill then used his fearsome bipartisan skills to build a coalition to make that veto stick?
Jimmie on May 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM
No child left behind act
McCain-Feingold
Shamnesty - rejected (barely), meant we had to give up border security, still don’t have it
Federal prescription drug giveaway
Department of Homeland Security and a bazillion other spending increases
More gun dealers put in prison or out of business by the ATF
fossten on May 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM
So we didn’t want any testing done with no Child left behind?
or.. i’m not sure..
(I’m for School Choice and so is McCain)
Obama is the teacher unions pocket so forget so the inner city kids are stuck in failing schools.
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 2:45 AM
Crime is lower in states that have CCL.
Johan Klaus on May 16, 2008 at 3:03 AM
They registered guns in Germany, before they came and took them away. And if the illegals were kept out they could not buy guns.
Johan Klaus on May 16, 2008 at 3:11 AM
The main thing that McCain has got going for him is his tough stance on North Korea.
Johan Klaus on May 16, 2008 at 4:50 AM
I own my guns legally I don’t mind registration, I don’t see what the big deal is, I actually think that its pretty much common sense. (do you want illegal aliens buying guns at stores? under age people.. etc.. )
Chakra Hammer on May 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM
The rights of the Second Amendment makes offical registration absolutely unacceptable. Much like the somewhat innocuous initial “registering” of Jews in the mid-1930’s under the hyperefficient Nazis made their political helplessness and ability to escape impossible by the late 1930’s and into the early war years.
I’m not comparing the situations here, but remember: registering things is the first step of controlling and confiscating them. And criminalizing citizens.
You can’t scratch your ass in this country without supplying your social security number. The government needs its taxes to pay for all the voting scumbags who live off of your labor.
Eight years of mind-numbing socailist stupidity under an Obama administration, and who knows what chicanery these bastards would have up their sleeves?
There is not a constitutional right for a 5000-pound automobile, but there is one for guns.
Note: I am a long-time NRA member and proud to be one.
TexasJew on May 16, 2008 at 8:41 AM
I’m not a candidate but I no longer have any ties to the Republican party. They left me when George Bush took office and the party was taken over by dillweed big spenders and liberal Republicans. I am now a conservative without a party! John McCain will NEVER EVER have my support or my vote…EVER! Laura, Hannity and the rest will all tell us this fall that we must vote for him or it will mean the end of western civilization…I WON’T…EVER…NEVER!
sabbott on May 16, 2008 at 8:56 AM
yes, but how did Rudy do what he did?
Pretty Amazing…
Maybe thats why some hate him so much, because he did somethings “differently”, and was very very effective.
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM
By cracking down on crime, not on guns.
fossten on May 16, 2008 at 10:11 AM
To compare a material object to a life… I don’t get it..
Obviously Shotguns don’t get registered, thats usually same day, ID out the door day same day, handguns are different.
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Yay……….. :D
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Again, this was a case of Rudy using liberalism against liberals. Liberal NYC judges weren’t giving hard time over drug dealing or gang membership, but they had to crack down when it came to guns.
Sekhmet on May 16, 2008 at 10:25 AM
It’s overdue. I’d like to take it a bit further, Keemo. I’d like to see a clean sweepdown fore and aft - everybody on Capital Hill thrown out, from the life-term politicians to the janitors, and we start all over again. And term limits, we have to have term limits and elimination of earmarks. This would prevent lifetime pols like Murtha and Byrd from using our taxmoney to buy and maintain their seats.
abcurtis on May 16, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Me too. Pro-life, pro-gun, and most of all, pro-America.
abcurtis on May 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Agreed. I’m considering the Constitution Party.
abcurtis on May 16, 2008 at 10:43 AM
And shotguns don’t kill?
Johan Klaus on May 16, 2008 at 10:54 AM
they kill real good, just kind of hard to get accurate Forensic ballistics off of them(other then the the obvious if you have the case which would then probably have a finger prints on it anyhow.. ), also they are large only have 3-8 rounds.. etc..
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM
And if you do not think they will come and take legal weapons, that is exactly what they did in New Orleans.
Johan Klaus on May 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM
You aren’t familiar with the Saiga… ;p
fossten on May 16, 2008 at 11:42 AM
With a shotgun you do not need more than eight rounds.
Johan Klaus on May 16, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Unless your house is filled with jackbooted thugs.
fossten on May 16, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Mark Levin is right on target.
Recovering_Democrat on May 16, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Who! Who was he talking about
pseudonominus on May 16, 2008 at 3:34 PM
ohh.. 12 shells.. well it does have a clip.. :P
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I think what I’m getting at is obvious to understand..
you can’t carry on your person LARGE amounts of 12GA shells.. they are pretty heavy and bulky, not like a pistol(different animal)
kind of like comparing a lever action Rifle to a Black Powder Rifle.. it’s like someone’s gonna shoot faster..(not to say that more is better if it doesn’t hit but gotta take the worse case scenario)
Chakra Hammer on May 16, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I remember Romald Reagan too. I donated a bunch of bucks to his re-election. He was absolutely awesome. He fired the air traffic controllers without apology. He did a one time/last time amnesty that people in the current GOP are pretending was a not the last amnesty. Reagan’s standard was not impossible. It was possible. He proved it. A great great great man.
Reagan was interestingly responsive to public outcry. He backed down from his comment on cutting down amcient redwoods (”when you have seen one tree, you’ve seen them all”) and he backed down on cutting the trees because the public did not want it.
The public was against the air controller’s strike and Reagan hired replacement workers. The public was sick of the middle east deaths and relieved when Reagan pulled out.
It was this responsiveness that won me over and made me firmly conservative. He was a great, great man
Unlike Bush and his gang of how many who salted elections to set up the amnesty bill and tried to ram it in on holidays, weekends and without warning despite public outrage.
The Reagan standard is very achievable. You just have to be truly conservative, truly honorable.
Or we could elect another phoney like Bush, America’s first mariachi President, who contracts out a toll road cutting across America to a non-American contractor, for his nation-merging goals
Levin was lucky to know Reagan personally and work with him. Levin knows well that Reagan standard is not an impossible standard, it is simply a standard worth electing
entagor on May 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
The problem was that the one time last time amnesty was supposed to be backed up with border enforcement, that is the only way it works. He has the right idea, just no follow up.
I also think he might have been a closet social libertarian, some of his actions gave me that feeling.
Squid Shark on May 17, 2008 at 12:17 AM
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