Mark Levin to GOP candidates: Cut ties with McCain and the RNC and run as conservatives
posted at 8:41 pm on May 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
It won’t do any good. At this point, who would believe them?
Look on the bright side: It only took six years to get from the Watergate wipeout to Reagan. What could go wrong?
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Like I said earlier: Running like Democrats, just not quite as bad. Some sales pitch- no wonder people aren’t buying.
Hollowpoint on May 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Since the end of WWII, ALL elected politicians have been of the Left. It is merely a question of how far. Populism rules.
OldEnglish on May 14, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Hollowpoint:
That might be true if the Tancredobots were actually winning elections. They are not. The majority of the American people supports the kind of policy Chakra is talking about. Maybe that is why the people who support that policy are winning.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Chakra:
Right back at you.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:20 PM
If I thought it was about blame for you personally, I wouldn’t engage you in conversation.
I can’t speak to what Levin cares about, and I’m not attempting to reinforce his own views. The point that I am attempting to make is relatively simple: At the top of the ticket will be McCain and Obama. McCain wants conservatives to come out and vote for him, but he will not and cannot give ground to them. Indeed many of his supporters lambast conservatives for even complaining about McCain now that he is the nominee. Why not draw these voters out, who will almost certainly vote McCain if they vote, with strong conservative messages from lower parts of the ticket. The nation is going to need a checks and balances on McCain from the right.
These voters are certainly disaffected. And blue-dogs, and their subsequent behavior, are prove that HP’s 7 points are still very much in operation as a general rule.
I think conservatives, as a rule, care about the principles that established this country, and they care that that country be there in recognizable form for their posterity. That’s what I think conservatives care about. That’s why there is such an issue with McCain and his CFR issues, or amnesty, etc.
As to your 9:57, can you be more precise? What is getting old – national press coverage, Coulter, Hannity, etc or blog comments?
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Amen. Elections have consequences. Levin doesn’t get it cause he doesn’t work for a living, he talks for a living. And talk is cheap, but actual supplies and actual costs in running a business aren’t cheap and Obama and his supermajority will make it far more expensive than McCain.
The Apologist on May 14, 2008 at 10:21 PM
I love “The Great One” Levin and all, but the problem starts at the top, the RNC. The RNC is ruining the republicans chances in the House and Senate. Does anyone know off the bat who is in charge of the RNC?
Also, McCain is the one who resonated most with voters rather than Romney and Thompson.
I do think we could vocally have our disagreements with McCain, but I do not hear the same ridicule of President Bush. He is great on the war, but on spending and articulating conservatism, he is off base. He had a majority in the senate and in the house in 2004, yet we have open-borders, no nuclear power, consolations with Palestinians, and no drilling. McCain at least promised to secure the borders and he is no spender and we all know he is good on the war and foreign policy.
I am with Levin though in not depending on the RNC. They have been horrible in conveying republican ideals.
jencab on May 14, 2008 at 10:25 PM
You mean like McCain has done for the last 8 years?
fossten on May 14, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Levin is a loumouthed idiot, knowing he could pass law school gives guys like me hope.
He should stick to writing cute dog stories.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Bless you Spirit.
Good luck with this thread. You have more patience than I.
Weight of Glory on May 14, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Really?
Weight of Glory on May 14, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Spirit:
Shocking as it might seem, conservatives are not the only people who believe in this country. And McCain is much closer to conservative principles than someone like Obama can or will ever be.
It seems to me that McCain has tried to reach out to conservatives and has a rule been rebuffed. They have no respect for him, or his principles or his service to his country. At least that is the impression I get from a lot of the people who seem to spend every waking hour attacking the man.
And somehow he won the nomination without them. What happens if he manages to win the White House without them? Where will that leave the people who can only vote for a Republican if he is the right sort of Republican?
I grew up in the 50′s. I am an old broad. In my life time I have rarely seen someone who is extreme in his policies win a general election. McCain might be the only Republican who can win right now. And if guys like Mark Levin can’t stand that, then to hell with them.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM
You’re right.
“My friends, I’ve learned my lesson, I will secure the border first.”
Talk is cheap.
We’re not letting the RINOs take the party without a fight.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM
fosten:
Oh please. sore losers.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Heh.
Weight of Glory on May 14, 2008 at 10:31 PM
I call for a Coup. Maybe by the state GOPs? Then at the convention nominate Duncan Hunter/Oliver North.
- The Cat
MirCat on May 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM
I refuse to let a bunch of loudmouth crybabies call us RINO’s. Who the hell made you G-d?
I belong to the party of Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln as well as the party of Reagan.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Ollie North, that guy cant even write a decent book with a ghost writer…
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Really…
He is about as “Great” as Gatsby…
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 10:34 PM
And talk is cheap double… It is surely so. Or all these people who supported the war would not turn their back on that undertaking now. I am really not feeling like that is a principled thing to do. Especially considering how gung ho they were to send those troops over there.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Duncan Hunter Ollie North??? That is just sad.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Veruca Salt:
Reagan! Reagan!
I want to vote for Reagan all over again
Mr. Salt:
you will, sweetheart
Veruca:
And that nasty John McCain to drop dead
Mr. Salt:
Anything you say
Veruca:
And by the way
Mr. Salt:
What?
Veruca:
I want deportation.
Mr. Salt:
There isn’t anything up for a vote at the moment
Veruca:
I want Real Conservatism(TM)!
Mr. Salt:
Oh, that again
Veruca:
Conservative jurists, tax-cutting Congress and other such purists
Mr. Levin:
You can have all those things when you vote for them
Veruca:
No, now!!
I want a ball
I want a party
Pink macaroons and a million balloons
And performing baboons and …
Give it to me
Rrhh rhhh
Now!
I want the world
I want the whole world
I want to lock it all up in my pocket
It’s my bar of chocolate
Give it to me
Now!
I want today
I want tomorrow
I want to wear ‘em like braids in my hair
And I don’t want to share ‘em
I want a party with people just like me
and RINOS out the door
And if I don’t get the things I am after
I’m going to scream!
I want the works
I want the whole works
Presents and prizes and sweets and surprises
Of all shapes and sizes
And now
Don’t care how
I want it now
Don’t care how
I want it now
Sekhmet on May 14, 2008 at 10:36 PM
So what you are saying is that we just ignore those pesky voters and that whole bothersome will of the people thing and draft someone who can not possibly win?
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:37 PM
You do? Where did it go? I’ve been looking for it lately, it seems to have vanished.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 10:37 PM
The Party of T.R. and Lincoln died the day Rush Limbaugh opened his obnoxious yap.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 10:39 PM
What a shot in the arm. Thanks.
I did not, nor have claimed that conservatives are the only people who believe or care in this country. McCain’s proximity to conservative principles only relates to the top of the ticket. He’s not running for all the other offices of which voters will also decide.
I am curious, though, of this outreach of which you allude to. What is it? Whom has he been rebuffed by after reaching out to them? His reaching out has been by proxy, and even then weak. If you have some instance of this actually tangibly happening, do share it, it will affect my view of him.
As far as your other claim, he is pretty universally appreciated for his service to the country. That does not, nor should it entitle him to the highest office in the land. It does, and should, entitle him to our gratitude. Which he has. As far as principles, people respect the ones that they share.
If he wins the WH without conservatives, it will have no difference then if he wins with them. McCain won’t govern differently, and the GOP may not be so luckly next time as to have as weak a candidate as Obama.
As for the people that can only vote Republican, if the right sort…well, I would imagine that would leave them with less political power, but with a satisfied conscience.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 10:40 PM
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! We would have never had the 1994 Revolution without Rush and talk radio, and you know it! Talk radio is the closest thing we have to a counter to the MSM, and you know it. You’re just pissed that they’re not eating the turd sandwich this time around.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 10:44 PM
QFT
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Reagan was the real deal and I don’t know of many present politicians worthy to wash his jockstrap.
gmbdds on May 14, 2008 at 10:46 PM
RePUBICans?! WTF?
Alan on May 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Spirit:
I am curious, though, of this outreach of which you allude to. What is it? Whom has he been rebuffed by after reaching out to them? His reaching out has been by proxy, and even then weak. If you have some instance of this actually tangibly happening, do share it, it will affect my view of him.
As far as your other claim, he is pretty universally appreciated for his service to the country. That does not, nor should it entitle him to the highest office in the land. It does, and should, entitle him to our gratitude. Which he has. As far as principles, people respect the ones that they share.
So they respect the ones that they share. Big of them. And yet McCain is supposed to respect these same people and their principles without fail or they can not give him the time of day.
And you can not honestly tell me that whenever McCain has ever tried to reach out that the response was not more often than not a slap in the face. And it will probably remain so unless Rush Limbaugh gives everyone permission to be nice to the man.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Tancredo got voted out of office? When did that happen?
The reason the previous attempt at “comprehensive immigration reform” failed wasn’t that that so many voters were in favor of it.
Hollowpoint on May 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Are you kidding me, I have been eating Rush’s turd sandwiches for 15 years and smiling because I knew that even though it disgusted me, it was the best for the country.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, WHAH WHAH WHAH
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 10:50 PM
As much as I am fed up with McCain, I will not sit out an election.
I fought the good fight during the primary. I voted, argued, arm twisted, and shouted. I lost that battle.
Now I’m stuck with him.
The fight is now at the lower end of the ballot. “Staying home” makes no sense. You can’t shout, scream, stamp your feet, and then say “I give up”, and consider yourself a patriot. Politics is a NEVER ENDING WAR.
I’m going to war with the candidate that I have. And then I’ll be sharpening my sword after the election and continuing to fight. After this election, I will be preparing for 2010,
I will never…NEVER stop fighting this war. Giving Obama a shot at appointing judges just makes no sense at all.
And I am really pissed at McCain.
Saltysam on May 14, 2008 at 10:52 PM
btw, I have heard nothing but trash talked on here about the quaterback of the 1994 revolution, Newt.
Rush was just the ugly cheerleader for the revolution.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Squid, I’m not sure that these “true” conservatives know enough history to realize just how RINO were Teddy Roosevelt and Lincoln. Teddy makes John McCain look like Rick Santorum. Teddy become president because the conservative establishment thought giving Teddy the VP position would be an excellent way to end Teddy’s power as governor of New York. They didn’t expect an anarchist to kill President McKinley.
thuja on May 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Hollowpoint:
I never said Tancredo was voted out of office, I said his minions were. And voters never had a chance one way or the other to make a decision.
But you know what? If Obama wins in November, you will have their decision and it will be open borders and drivers licenses for illegals and federally funded health care for illegals…etc.
Hey, but if that is what you want..
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Below is a prime example of what Levin means. And Conservatives don’t mean give AMNESTY to these Illegal Aliens. We want our current laws…….enforced!
Feds bust LA drop house holding 61 undocumented immigrants
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 05/14/2008 12:26:22 PM PDT
LOS ANGELES—Sixty-one undocumented immigrants were found Wednesday in a squalid drop house filled with piles of trash and rotting food, immigration officials said.
Three of those taken into custody were toddlers.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement investigators raided the two-story South Los Angeles home at 6:30 a.m. to serve a search warrant in a human smuggling investigation, said ICE spokeswomen Virginia Kice.
The immigrants arrived at the South Normandie Avenue house on Friday, and were believed to be from El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua and Ecuador, said Kice.
The group included three teenagers, one 2-year-old and two 1-year-olds. Kice said ICE officials would try to keep the toddlers with their mothers or guardians as they are processed and interviewed.
ICE spokeswoman Lori Haley said an agent involved in the raid described the conditions inside the home as “utter squalor with trash and food piled up two to three feet high inside.”
Drop houses are common in human-smuggling cases and are used to hold people until they can be transported to their ultimate destination, she said.
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Most T.C’s memory begins and ends at Reagan.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 10:56 PM
I would have to say that talk radio is my outlet for information as well as Fox News. Talk radio does inspire people to be active in the political process and if it wasn’t for this medium, would we have known the implications of the amnesty bill as well as flood our senate and house with calls to kill the bill?
The most entertaining talk radio, for me is Dennis Miller, Mark Levin, Laura Ingraham, and Bill Cunningham. Sean is a bit repetitive (though good on TV) and Rush is too arrogant, but smart.
jencab on May 14, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Okay, Terrye, I’ll bite.
No, he ran as a conservative, just as Levin wants conservatives to run as conservatives.
After he extracted a promise from the Democratic Congress to also enact serious border security provisions. They enacted the bill then reneged on their promise. The amnesty part went into place, the security part never did.
“Trust but verify”, yes?
He did because if he did not, Social Security would have collapsed. He also recommended more serious reforms to the system so that makeshift solutions wouldn’t be needed in the future. Those never came about in Congress.
Not that he didn’t try. It goes to show you that when it comes to legislation, Congress has more power than the President. Maybe we should remember that when candidate McCain tells us how he’s going to hold the line on government from the Oval Office.
Yup, and it was a mistake.
And it took us not very long at all to recover from what was then hailed as a looming disaster of the highest order. We recovered without a massive government program nor a multi-billion dollar bailout.
The Crash of 87 had nothing to do with his Presidency and everything to do with the same thing that crashed the market in the 1990s – foolish speculators acting on unsupported projections of a company’s success. IN other words, there was a bubble that wasn’t warranted, and it burst, like it should have.
And he dropped a couple bombs on Libya also.
If you remember Reagan, you may remember that the grater threat was a belligerent Soviet Union armed with a whole lot of nuclear missiles. You may also remember that the Soviet Union no longer exists thanks in large part to Ronald Reagan’s persistence.
Again, see the Soviet Union. The Iranians were, thanks to the President before him, rapidly becoming tools of the Soviets. It was widely (and, IMO, correctly) thought that moving toward military action with them would bring in the Soviets. We were not ready to handle that militarily, again thanks to the President before Reagan.
Was gay marriage really an issue in the 1980s? Really?
And those compromises led to most of his worst moments as President. See the “amnesty” of the mid-80s for an instructive example.
Jimmie on May 14, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Teddy Roosevelt was a reformer in a very corrupt time in American politics. Lots to that story.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:57 PM
What outreach? All I’ve heard is “Here’s what I’m doing, and you can either get on the Straight Talk Express or f*ck yourselves!”
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 10:57 PM
And not to mention Sheriff Joe Arpaio…
Dallas Morning News — May 12
Left: Ron Branson
Right: Ousted mayor Becky Miller
New mayor says top priority is ridding Carrollton of illegal immigrants
Look for the fight against illegal immigration to intensify in Dallas’ northwest suburbs.
Carrollton’s next mayor, Ron Branson, said Sunday that he’ll begin working immediately to rid the city of illegal immigrants.
His come-from-behind election victory Saturday night coincided with the expected mayoral win in neighboring Farmers Branch by a better-known activist on the same issue: Tim O’Hare.
“Illegal immigration has got to be at the top,” Mr. Branson said. “Every place I went, people wanted to talk about that.”
He said he will create a citizens committee to come up with ideas for driving out illegal immigrants.
And he plans to meet regularly with Mr. O’Hare, who has led Farmers Branch’s efforts to ban property rentals to illegal immigrants.
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM
How can you conceivably take issue with that statement unless you just have a desire to do so for it’s own sake. Of course Conservatives respect McCain for his stand on the wot, but to require them to respect his principles on unconstitutional line-item veto bills or unconstitutional CFR measures (don’t take my word for it, people in black robes agree) would be an abrogation of the responsibility of an informed citizenry!
I can’t answer your second paragraph without understand to what you are referring? Did Hannity slap him in the face with his long, friendly interviews? I don’t listen to Rush (or the radio for that matter), so if Rush slapped down McCain I missed it. I heard him smack down Huck nicely.
Your inference though that conservatives take their marching orders from Rush is a nice liberal talking point. Clever. Regardless, I await illumination on when and where McCain has reached out to conservatives and been rejected.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Yeah, because he decided to become a useful idiot for the Global Warming cultists.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Terrye and Squid,
Just a question, nothing snarky – really, since Pee-Wee’s word of the day has been “re-branding,” do you think it is possible for the Republican Party to re-brand itself as the “moderate” party? And if so, how? McCain seems, to me anyway, to be the best example of the current (albeit, somewhat arbitrary) notion of what it means to be “moderate;” and yet he is already being described as the “third-Bush-term” candidate. Assuming the full force of the media is brought to bear in that branding effort, is it reasonable to assume that McCain will be perceived as the moderate candidate by Nov.? And if there is such hostility towards the “New Media” by many “moderate” Republicans, should you then expect them to help offset the national media’s influence? And if these “loud mouths” keep silent, where will McCain go to get his side of the story out? A sympathetic ear at MSNBC? WaPo? NYT? Again, I would just like to know your thoughts, because personally I don’t think it is possible, in the current climate, for the GOP to come across as moderate, regardless of what they tack to the Left, ahem, Center for. (Okay, that last part was a little snarky)
Weight of Glory on May 14, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Well, allow me: Newt rocked.
Damn, and here you told me earlier it wasn’t about the blame. I’ve heard that guilt trip line used a million times. As long as you’re happy. Weak gruel indeed.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Everything….
But we`ve been through dark times before. Just have to plow through it.
ThePrez on May 14, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Jimmie:
I did not say the crash had anything to do with Reagan’s presidency. I said it happened when he was president. Just like the farm crisis did. My point is that it was not all roses and good times. Bad things happened even when Reagan was President. Not even presidents can control everything.
Nor am I saying he should have bombed Iran. You are missing my point. I am saying that if this good but flawed man were president today, a lot of the same people who go after Bush would go after him. In fact, some people did. Even then. It was after he passed away that they decided to make a saint of him and I think that had more to do with using his memory than it did with the man himself.
And Reagan also said that the most difficult people to deal with were the extreme right, because they preferred starvation to half a loaf.
Governance is about compromise. If you can not do that, then you do not belong in a two party political system.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Hear, hear!
As a conservative in a deep blue state (I don’t care what the pollsters say now, NJ will go to the Dem candidate in November), my vote for POTUS will be worth somewhere between little and nothing — which is perfectly fine this time around, when I don’t view any of the candidates for the presidency to be worth my vote.
What I WILL be decisively voting for, however, are the federal senators & representatives, and all the state-level positions. That is where the true battleground is, in my opinion.
Conservatives who can’t stomach McCain: I’m right there with you. Stay home if you want (I don’t think it right to tell you that you MUST vote or else you’re a traitor or something), but I encourage you to not forget all of the other levels of government that will need good people of non-Marxist principle in them.
Harpazo on May 14, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Yikes! I always thought Fox was for people who like shiny objects and loud noises.
This is true.
Very Funny, the smartest in the bunch.
Ive said all I need to about this assbag already.
At least shes easy on the eyes
He who shouts the loudest wins.
Even as he patronized me all through the primaries, I stuck with him cause hes so darn nice!
There are many, many words to describe Rush Limbaugh, the former is one of them, the latter is not one I have seen used often.
Wwhat about Grandpa Bill Bennet, I love his show in the morning, set the tone just right. After listening to Rush or Levin in the afternoon I just want to go home and kick my dog or something.
This is True
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Juan “Z-Visa” McCain says he’s a Teddy Roosevelt Republican too…oh yeah???
Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN
Are we “SLOW LEARNERS” or what?
Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN
“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Yep, and Lou Barletta won his reelection as mayor of Hazleton by a landslide for his tough stance on illegal immigration. I hope Barletta does well in his Congressional race. It would be a great screw you to McCain and the rest of the amnesty crowd. He might be a good guy to support for those looking for candidates to donate to.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Could Newt have gotten anything done if Bill Clinton had not been willing to compromise? And Newt had lower ratings than Bush.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Hhahahahahah, always good for a laugh.
If he was endorsing anything with Pelosi, he would have got the same reaction, because working together and being part of the conversation rather than shouting “cultist!” is not in your vocabulary.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Weight of Glory:
Rebrand itself as a moderate party? You see this is what I do not get. This is the party of people like Dick Lugar who has been a Republican for longer than some of you guys have probably been alive. I consider him center right, he is conservative on some issues, moderate on others. So what is the rebranding thing? My inlaws were from Ohio, I think they were born Republicans. And I doubt if they would have been conservative enough for Mark Levin.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:09 PM
I dont see anything about illegal immigration here.
I would imagine the good Senator would agree with T.R. here.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM
No, and that’s the damn point, make them compromise. If we aren’t even going to pretend to be interested in pursuing conservative governing goals, then let’s just be done with it and hand the keys to the Marxists.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 11:12 PM
“Repubicans”? Funny. Just because I don’t like to be told how to live I’m a Repubican? Referred to as pubic hair by those in my own party, priceless. While I agree with a lot of what the Republican base has to say, I don’t care to have them in my bedroom with me, I don’t even like them in my living room. The Democrats take my money through taxes, the Republican base try’s to take an additional 10% through the offering plate.
The extreme base of both sides created the moderates. I’m not welcome on the Left Extreme because of most of my views and I am not welcome and now insulted on the Right Extreme because I like to think for myself and live my own life. The extreme Right created McCain and the party is going to nominate him.
Maybe, and this is just a guess, allowing a mother to die during childbirth isn’t as popular as the religious zealots think it is. Just one example of “your reward is waiting in heaven” ideal that is going over, if you will forgive the pun, like a fart in church.
Hog Wild on May 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Not only do you NOT see Whorehay Boooooosh out campaigning for anybody….Nancy Pelosi is a liability in hiding if I may says mahself. She has LOWER ratings than Boooooosh…
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM
double:
Oh plese, the guy who lost in Miss was a hardliner. JD Hayworth was a hardliner. Half the men in the primaries were trying to go the right of Tancredo and they lost. These kinds of people were losing in Arizona and Utah. That does not mean people are not serious about the issue. I am sure they are, but they do not want to round everyone up and ship them out. They want border security without the paranoia.
But for Chrisake, Obama is not exactly an alternative.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Another excellent point! Hillary didn’t get her socialized medicine last time around because they had to spend all their political capital on the NAFTA compromise.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Polls show majority support for positions similar to Tancredo’s. There are variety of social and economic factors that explain why the elites preferences on immigration differ wildly from the masses. I would argue that the social factors show a more simplistic group think on behalf of the elites than what the masses are guilty of. The elites are victims of liberal Christian/Catholic/bohemian fetishism of the immigrant as either victim or sex object and often both. The masses are a little more clear-eyed on this subject. And then there is the economic factor: some rich people want near slaves to work for low wages. Importing other country’s lower classes are great for them. The lower classes already living here get screwed, but trailer trash isn’t sexy if you go to university where the student store sells organic extra virgin olive oil for $21.50 a half liter. (I just did some comparison shopping at the stores where those undergrads with all those student loans go.)
thuja on May 14, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Weight of Glory:
I think that the problem is that we think that we can relive the Reagan Revolution.
I look at the hearkening back to the whole era of Regan “running as a conservative and winning” and see a flaw in that argument.
America is not “Conservative” it is by nature (old school Bull Moose) progressive and libertarian. Ronald Regan won because he was strong, amiable, trustworthy and optimistic. He also ran against to two worst tickets in recent memory.
Did Reagan trigger a massive Republican Landslide in congress? No. Why? Because people voted for the man not the ideas.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:15 PM
I dont see anything about illegal immigration here.
I would imagine the good Senator would agree with T.R. here.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM
AAre you telling us that Mark Levin is supportive of JJuan “Z-Visa” McCain’s AMNESTY PLAN????
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Make them compromise. And what if they have the same idea. Excuse me for saying it but that is childish.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM
You just demonstrated what’s wrong with this party. You treat it like some football game, as though “your side” actually won something. But actually, since you nominated a liberal, everybody loses. That is a fact. Stop flattering yourself.
fossten on May 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Conversation=Dialogue
We know the solution to emissions, the envirowhackos won’t let us build the reactors, and Democrats won’t tell them to get bent. End of conversation.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 11:18 PM
The “re-branding” word has been tossed around for the last week, culminating today with the big wigs in the GOP coming out of their closed door meeting stressing the notion of rebranding.
Pull quote, if you don’t want to read the whole thing:
That’s the context of my question to you. I hope it helps.
Weight of Glory on May 14, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Oh plese, the guy who lost in Miss was a hardliner. JD Hayworth was a hardliner. Half the men in the primaries were trying to go the right of Tancredo and they lost. These kinds of people were losing in Arizona and Utah. That does not mean people are not serious about the issue. I am sure they are, but they do not want to round everyone up and ship them out. They want border security without the paranoia.
But for Chrisake, Obama is not exactly an alternative.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:14 PM
You don’t think the Illegal Alien Crisis isn’t important? You must not be spending your tax dollars on benefits to Illegal Aliens and their Anchor Babies. Here in California, we’re being taxed out of our ying-yang to pay for these people who have no right to be here…
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:19 PM
No, but I sure would love to figure out how you got that from my post…
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
thuja:
So why are you losing?
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Would you vote for Tancredo if he was nominee or would you vote for Obama?
Buddahpundit on May 14, 2008 at 11:22 PM
It’s about back-to-basics for Conservatives… You must not listen to Mark Levin very much…if not at all. Listen to him once in a while, you might learn somethin’. He’s asharp dude! And I’m a Moderate Democrat.
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:22 PM
As gas climbs higher, folks will figure it out. If we had a real cheerleader for Nuclear and Coal (McCain) in the White House we might get results.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Deportation:
I think the problem is serious enough not to hand the White House to Obama. I do not for the life of me understand how anyone can say they care about this issue and then refuse to vote for McCain. Look at the alternatives. What does that tell you about the public opinions on this?
And besides, if the conservatives do not give a damn about surrendering the war on Terror, why should I care about their pet issue. That is what it is all about isn’t it?
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM
As a constituent of Duncan Hunter I can tell you that He LISTENS to the people that elected him. Also I personally feel that LT COL Ollie North, USMC ground pounder in Vietnam for three tours is FAR more of a war hero then Mc Cain will ever be.
Vntnrse on May 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
I think you misunderstood my question. I’m not trying to determine where you think the country is politically, but rather how do you think that it is going to be possible for McCain to appear as though he is also where the country is politically?
Weight of Glory on May 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
He is an angry, whiny loudmouth. Just because your scream real loud does not make you sharp. I listen to Levin alot because he comes on after my fav local talk show.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
So why are you losing?
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM
ha ha ha This was the same TALKING POINT used by the OPEN BORDERS ZEALOTS about six (6) months ago. Interesting.
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Buddha:
I would vote for Tancredo. I might be scared he would nuke Mexico, but I would vote for him if he managed to win the nomination.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Sorry, I will have to chew on that one for a bit. I dont think “re-branding” is the answer, more “back to basics”
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Deportation:
Yeah right, there are two kinds of people. Open border fanatics and patriots. Got it.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
McCain would be so proud of you.
By the way, George Washington gave his opinion of the party system in his farewell address. It would appear you are on the wrong side of this according to his opinion. I think I’ll go with him on this one.
Note the bolded part. Gee, who does that sound like?
fossten on May 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
He is an angry, whiny loudmouth. Just because your scream real loud does not make you sharp. I listen to Levin alot because he comes on after my fav local talk show.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:24 PM
So you’re what they call a RINO eh?
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
WIN
I have an example of this. There is a conservative named Andy Harris who beat out a Chaffee style House RINO in Maryland in the Primary. One of said RINOs top staffers is now working for the Democrat’s campaign, as well as several other former supporters of the RINO. We know the score, eat the turd sandwich, wingnuts! Hey RINOs, your turn! Nah we RINOs’ll just vote for the Democrats, thanks.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Oliver “I have secret documents that will vindicate me, see its all here in my thinly veiled hack novel” North is barely qualified to be a narrator on a fox news special.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Vntrose:
I am not saying that Duncan Hunter or Ollie North are bad men. I am just saying that staging a coup and overturning the results of the primaries and putting them on a ballot and watching them get creamed might not be a good idea.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Yeah right, there are two kinds of people. Open border fanatics and patriots. Got it.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Which is Juan “Z-Visa” McCain?
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM
JD was a hardliner alright, still is. He lost to a guy who ran commercials saying JD was soft on immigration, a guy whose idea of a good visual for commercials was JD’s head in a rifle scope. The guy, Harry Mitchell, was actually a liberal democrat. Still is. Was a mayor of a liberal town who welcomed illegal immigrants. But the voters in the recently redrawn district were among the newest in the state, the fastest-growing area in a fast-frowing state. JD lost, not because he was a hardliner, but because a liberal liar out-marketed him on being a bigger, badder hardliner. And because the voters who didn’t know them didn’t take the time to go beyond the sound bites.
Shay on May 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Was I being too glib? People hostile to illegal immigration are losing because elite opinion differs significantly from mass opinion, and thus Congress is not very representative on this topic. The idea of the elites not being representative has been a staple of conservative opinion at least since William F. Buckley saying he’d rather be ruled by 100 people picked at random from the Boston phone book than picked from the Harvard faculty. The other point I tried to make was that elite opinion on illegal immigration is formed by sexual fetish and victim fetish, and not by anything approaching rational thought on the issue.
thuja on May 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM
As I said before, I have been wolfing down your turd sandwiches for 15 years and I have never complained.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Vntnrse. sorry for screwing up your handle again. Really. It is late and I am tired and I am making dumb mistakes.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Let’s say for the sake of argument, that it did happen, then as you say.
Well, let’s say that some reporter did believe the rural candidate who’s trying to break away from the current RNC and run as a conservative. Then said reporter would rush to McCain and ask him how he feels about Congressional Candidate John Smith who’s promising to fight McCain on Global Warming, Illegal Immigration, Freedoms and Liberty, oh and the War on Terror and keeping Club Gitmo open.
McCain: “Well I don’t want to talk bad about my friends across the isle.”
Reporter: “Senator, it’s a republican who’s promising to fight you.”
McCain: “What? A Republican, why that racists nasty double crossing son of a B***H. Listen to me, if he knows what’s good for him, he’ll vote the way I tell him to vote, or I’ll personally come down there and campaign my ass off for his opponent who will vote the right way. Damn it, he should know you vote the way the leader of the party, and that’s always been me, tells you to vote.”
God, save us from McCain, and the McCainiacs
Snake307 on May 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM
And you must be a DINO.
I am more of the Bull Moose Republican Strain.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Well, yes, if the Republican Party marches right past Pluto in efforts to be “true conservatives”, RINOS like me will unapologetically vote Democratic. Of course, there are more reasonable outcomes than making the center right hate the Republican Party.
thuja on May 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM
thuja:
Maybe they are losing because their rhetoric turns people off. I know a lot of regular ordinary people who think some of these guys are just plain strange.
And I am not being glib either. Obama is very liberal on this issue. He is talking about doing things that McCAin has never suggested and yet he might well win. So it seems his stand on this issue is not hurting with a majority of voters.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM
BTW, just because I dont think that Loudmouth idiots like Levin, Mike Church, or Bill Cunningham are doing us any favors does not make me a RINO. I have voted for one Democrat in my life, and that was my wifes boss.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM
And you must be a DINO.
I am more of the Bull Moose Republican Strain.
Squid Shark on May 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Naw, here in California, I’ve re-registered as a Decline-to-State voter. Our number is now up to 25% of the California voters…and that number growing. How did you like the Rooesevelt quote earlier?
DfDeportation on May 14, 2008 at 11:33 PM
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