Mark Levin to GOP candidates: Cut ties with McCain and the RNC and run as conservatives
posted at 8:41 pm on May 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It won’t do any good. At this point, who would believe them?
Look on the bright side: It only took six years to get from the Watergate wipeout to Reagan. What could go wrong?
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Muhahaha.
Nonfactor on May 14, 2008 at 8:46 PM
It’s too late for this year. 2010 baby.
BadgerHawk on May 14, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Maybe it won’t work, but hell, anything is better than the course they’re on now.
thekingtut on May 14, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Good idea. Why continue to bet on a broken down horse?
Sammy316 on May 14, 2008 at 8:49 PM
On the theory that all are going to raise taxes to “fight global warming,” all are going to angle for amnesty, and none are going to surrender in Iraq:
Why not sit out the election?
We survived the Carter years, we can survive the Obama years.
misterpeasea on May 14, 2008 at 8:52 PM
They’ll all have to get together in Minneapolis in September. The goal for conservatives will be both to get a place at the table and to get their messages across during the alloted podium speech time, and do it in a way that doesn’t allow either the McCain people or the big media outlets to credbily paint them as the second coming of Pat Buchanan’s 1992 convention speech, when he stepped all over Reagan’s speech to the crowd in Houston and watching on TV.
jon1979 on May 14, 2008 at 8:52 PM
the 30% solution? Uhhh..
not gonna work.
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 8:52 PM
We need everyone on the same page..
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 8:53 PM
It might be a reasonable advice though not for the reasons Mark Levin thinks. Whatever GOP candidate we’re talking about, s/he will not be running for the seat of comparable scale: political as well as geographical.
McCain has no choice but to be “reasonable” on immigration because he runs everywhere including South West. A candidate from yeehaw doesn’t have to mimic McCain’s tactics.
freevillage on May 14, 2008 at 8:53 PM
It’s over for the old guard. My only dilemma now is do I wait until 2012 or 2016 to take over.
I’ll talk to the consultants and get back to you.
JammieWearingFool on May 14, 2008 at 8:53 PM
That’s not a shabby idea, actually. McCain is going to run while distancing himself from Bush. Certainly the same tenor can be applied to GOP candidates. We have seen the strength of the bluedog democrats, so it’s not a bad idea.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Yeah, that makes sense. McCain was the Republican presidential candidate whom the Republican primary voters thought had the most credible chance for victory (though I thought Rudy a better bet). Yes, just toss him overboard and every RINO like yours truly, and see if the Republican vote exceeds 30%. While it would be a great experiment, I don’t know that I could stand the next decade of Democratic rule.
thuja on May 14, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Let us now how you do getting McCain on the RIGHT page. We will be sitting here waiting.
EJDolbow on May 14, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Two words:
Ronald
Reagan
He ran as a conservative and won 49 states. This is a right of center country and most people want responsible politicians.
EJDolbow on May 14, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Let us know how you get a “Conservative” elected nationally without the “middle”
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:00 PM
I’d say it’s good advice. Let the GOP candidates row their own boats.
Juxtapose a Contract with America 2008.
Show McCain to be the Dem Lite that he is, and maybe we’ll all win.
petefrt on May 14, 2008 at 9:01 PM
“Own the Center”
#1 Rule of National Politics
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:01 PM
I agree, but McCain has picked up the wrong book.
SouthernGent on May 14, 2008 at 9:02 PM
McCain did something Mark Levin could never do: win the nomination. If the GOP does this then I am done with them. I am tired of hearing a handful of right wing pundits who can not win an election as dog catcher between them telling the rest of us who we should vote for.
I am tired of the snarky remarks from people who would happily stab a fellow Republican in the back if he failed to say how high when he said jump.
So McCain supports some market oriented approach to cutting green house emissions. Would you prefer the non market approach the Democrats are talking about, because that is the alternative.
So McCain did not say we should lay land mines at the Mexican border…do you prefer drivers licenses for illegals and a real open border policy because that is what you will get with the Democrats. Thus far the hardliners in the Republican party have spent most of their time and energy attacking other Republicans, the Democrats are getting off easy.
I am so sick of listening to sore losers whine about McCain. He won because Republicans voted for him. Not crossovers, but rank and file Republicans who seem to think it is time for a change.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:05 PM
OMG….you’re totally serious, aren’t you?
SouthernGent on May 14, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Pew Research Center found that McCain is ideologically closer to MOST Voters than Obama or Clinton..(Rudy was the Closest)
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:07 PM
I’d go one better: I’d leave the party, and declare my independence as a conservative. People won’t vote for Republicans because Republicans lie to them by saying they’ll govern as conservatives when they never will. So why be a Republican? People will only think you’re a liar.
Run as an Independent Conservative.
Sydney Carton on May 14, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Mike Pence needs to take charge.
freedomplow on May 14, 2008 at 9:09 PM
How do we fire the RNC and replace them with real Republicans within the next couple of days? Instead of bitching and moaning we should do a hostile takeover. The RNC committee has the power to disqualify McCain. It says so in the rule book.
Buddahpundit on May 14, 2008 at 9:09 PM
I think “some” of these “Conservatives” actually want to lose because it would be good for the personally and not good for the country.
Also, some “Conservatives” would also like to keep certain issues around for demagoguery rather than to fix them.
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Do I sense a little shrillness in this post? So you think you either have amnesty and open borders or you lay mines down?
Mark has a good solution, just not this late in the game. Let whomever hang themselves for a few years, by then we will have re-grouped, and the rest of the country will be stuck with the Carter wannabes.
right2bright on May 14, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Alright, I’ll take up the counter-argument.
Look, the RNC has had a decrease in donations after the shamnesty disaster. Not only was the bill bad, but the manner of the whole affair was distasteful to citizens who expect their representatives to represent them. The RNC is not as strong nor as well funded as it has been.
Secondly, conservatives are certainly looking for an avenue to strengthen their message on Capitol Hill. Regardless of what one thinks of McCain, it certainly must be acknowledged that he must be impeded on several fronts for the good of the country. That means conservative leadership by representatives. Stopping Obama does little good if Mac gets a free rein.
Third, all politics is local. Strong conservative candidates on a local level will encourage voters, who will also likely vote JM on the top of the ticket, to come out and vote.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 9:11 PM
EJ:
I remember Ronald Reagan.
He did not run as a right wing demagogue.
He also signed an honest to God amnesty bill.
He raised social security taxes.
He promised to get rid of the Dept. of Education and did not.
He made Sandra Day OConnor a Supreme Court Justice.
He stood back and let the Savings and Loans collapse and was president when the stock market crashed.
He ran, not walked away from Lebanon after more than 200 Marines were killed by terrorists.
His administration cut a deal with the Iranians for hostages.
And he never had a word to say about issues like gay marriage.
He believed in compromise and practiced it in government….and he liked and admired John McCain.
He also said that we should not speak of another Republican.
If he was here today, as he really was I have no doubt that there would be people on the right calling him Ronaldo.
One problem that Republicans face today is that some people have decided to create an impossible standard in Reagan by turning him into something he never was.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:13 PM
The same goes for Liberals about the demagoguery of issues rather than fixing them.. Social Security etc.
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:13 PM
The RNC is run by a bunch of idiots
georgealbert on May 14, 2008 at 9:14 PM
spirit:
Shamnesty disaster??? Are you serious? The RNC raised a ton of money in 2004 when all these outraged conservatives were more than happy to ignore the entire issue of immigration.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I agree +100
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:18 PM
I mean really…why wasn’t the whole outrage of illegal immigration and the North American Union and the plan to use nannies and fruit pickers to invade the United States dealt with in the Contract of America? Why wait until after Bush has won his second term and young men and women are dying in Iraq before Conservatives decide it is time to split the party of this outrage?
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Something malfunctioned after Ed Gillespie left.
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:20 PM
The Bush Presidency and the behavior of a majority of the Rs currrently serving in Congress has been absolutely disastrous for the Republican party. Its like the both of them are going out of their way to sabotage the Party. I no longer identify myself as a “Republican”, as I don’t want to be associated the Party in its current state. When people ask, I tell them “I’m a conservative”. When the party sends me letters asking for donations, I either send them that Bush peso Michelle had on her blog a while back or a short note saying “So how’s that border fence coming along? No fence. No $.”
Oh yeah – Levin rules.
sbvft contributor on May 14, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Simple. A conservative candidate who is able to successfully advance the conservative principles that most people agree with:
1. Keep taxes low.
2. Enforce immigration laws.
3. Keep the government small and unobtrusive.
4. Personal responsibility and freedom over the nanny state.
5. Strong national defense.
6. Pride- instead of shame- in America
7. Standing up for Constitutional rights.
It’s not that hard- these are principles that the elusive “center” can identify with. Instead we now have RINOs who believe in:
1. Expanding the role of government.
2. Increasing spending.
3. Amnesty for illegals.
4. Selling earmarks for votes and campaign contributions.
5. Capitulating to environmental activist extremists.
Hollowpoint on May 14, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Southern Gent:
Yes, I am serious. Just like my relatives were serious when they sent their sons off to fight in Iraq.
Iraq…Shmiraq, we might as well let the Democrats win. After all there is global warming and earmarks and important stuff like that to deal with. Screw the troops.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:22 PM
If I say yes, will you take my answer more serious if I include 3 exclamation marks. There is no question of the issue of immigration being largely ignored. That is not relevant to the discussion of the disgust and revolt of conservatives…nay Americans who jammed the phone-lines over the Senate’s eagerly attempt jam through of an unread and undiscussed bill.
To the previous comment, I will add also this:
It is lastly worth consideration, that the current trend will not yield happy results. Some change is necessary unless GOP members are comfortable with the current trend. Without alteration, I do actually think it likely McCain will win as Obama is both a weak candidate and too liberal for general comfort. But I think the GOP is going to lose a large number of seats, and McCain will be forced to do his worst work, which is his quick consensus building.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 9:22 PM
I like the RNC. When you buy them they say bought.
VinyFoxy on May 14, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Wednesday Stupid.
The Apologist on May 14, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Reagan is dead, and I’m not sure that history repeats. Yes, America is right of center country and I’m a right of center kind of guy. But I’m pretty damn sure that America’s right of center isn’t so far right it’s off the edge of the cliff with Mark Levin.
It’s like this. I’m a Republican and my biggest concerns are illegal immigration and foreign policy. Yet, despite all my fears about Democratic victories in 2006, I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Rick Santorum with his insane attacks on gay people and his “pro-life” extremism. How do you possibly expect to attract people more moderate than me, when you march off the edge of a cliff? Moderates may tend to follow the pack but they aren’t lemmings.
thuja on May 14, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I was ready to say “screw Mark Levin”, but even as a strong supporter of McCain’s, I have to say politically he’s correct.
I agree with some of the areas McCain deviates from the conservative line. But, while I would vote for more conservative candidates, I would not vote for a conservative who fakes being moderate.
Rather than “cutting ties”, though, I’d rather see a conservative plainly state how they differ from the top of the ticket to remind Republicans to come out and vote. Bush was way too socially conservative for my tastes, but I voted for him. If your choice is Obambi or McCain, I know that conservative voters of all persuasions will do the right thing.
Obama simply scares me. His Pollyanna view of the world will set us back immeasurably in the war on terror. There are real threats this country faces, and the president is too important to leave to a Dhimmicrat.
Oh, and a veto proof Senate with Dhimmicrat House and Obambi in charge really scares the hell out of me. We will never be able to undo the big government they create under that set of circumstances.
BryanS on May 14, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Hollowpoint:
Oh please, do you honestly believe that only conservatives believe in a strong national defense. Apparently not, if they are willing to abandon McCain and let Obama win.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:24 PM
The map and electorate is changing.(Not so much that you compromise your values, however you do need to reach out and be more excepting so more people can be inside the tent to hear the message that you are talking about)
IF you do not realize this then the elephant will become an endangered species.
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I believe this analysis correct. Not because I want to believe, but because I think it’s true.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Let me get this strait.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
To gain the center its OK for McCain/RNC to throw the GOP base under the bus? On top of that we are supposed to be thankful for the tread marks on our backs?
Am I getting this right?
Sammy316 on May 14, 2008 at 9:25 PM
The guy who won in 2006 in my district is a blue dog Democrat. This is how Democrats are winning. They are not trying to run people like John Kerry in places like southern Indiana or Miss.
And Republicans need to do the same kind of thing. Most Americans identify themselves as moderates. Not conservative or liberal.
Maybe Republicans need to listen to the concerns of the people of their districts, not Mark Levin and respond to their needs.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Sammy:
Who the hell is throwing you under the bus. Mark Levin comes and says, abandon McCain and somehow…you are the one being thrown under the bus?
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Not all you Gringos are as dumb as I thought. But enough of you are so Juan and I should still be alright.
VinyFoxy on May 14, 2008 at 9:29 PM
The roof is on fire. Let the m-f-er burn. Burn m-f-er. Burn.
Write in Fred Thompson on the ballot.
Vote for the most conservative candidate in Congress and Senate (as well as state and local), even if they have a (D) next to their names. Let the GOP have an epic fail. Then we’ll see what happens.
VolMagic on May 14, 2008 at 9:30 PM
So I take that as a yes.
Sammy316 on May 14, 2008 at 9:32 PM
One problem that Republicans face today is that some people have decided to create an impossible standard in Reagan by turning him into something he never was.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:13 PM
That’s actually true but the thing is that we need to set the standard higher than Reagan. Standards also change. Less liberalism should be tolerated 40 years after the Great Society than 15 years after the great society because we see more results.
Also, there is more reason to stand against amnesty and mass immigration of one particular demographic group that will replace the current majority demographic group and become the new majority. No group of people in their right mind allows themselves to become a minority. This demographic shift wasn’t apparent back in Reagan’s day.
Buddahpundit on May 14, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Well, the people that vote are split about 45/45 conservative/liberal. Who cares what people who don’t vote consider themselves?
VolMagic on May 14, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Americans do identify as moderates, but they would agree with Hollowpoint’s 7 statements above. The nominclature is not the issue. Values are the issue. See Shuler’s imm bill for example.
Republicans need to listen to their districts? This is precisely my point! Glad we agree. Blue dogs get elected when conservatives have no place to go.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 9:33 PM
People can blame Bush all they want, but he is the same man who won the election in 2004, with coat tails. I don’t think he has been a disaster for the party. The party changed, he did not.
It is as if they won a majority, expected it all to be easy and when it was not…they turned on the man who helped them gain that majority.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:33 PM
1. Keep taxes low.
You have to cut spending to do this. What do you cut, by how much, and which national welfare constituencies to you energize to fight hard for the Democrats in so doing?
2. Enforce immigration laws.
How? Isn’t that the question? What means is most amenable to the majority of Americans? Border secured plus amnesty. Most Americans don’t hate Mexicans. It’s just that simple. Most Americans don’t mind millions of new hispanic citizens. They just don’t share your rage over amnesty if the border is secured.
3. Keep the government small and unobtrusive.
Except when the bank is about to take your house or you lose your job anbd don’t have another to replace it or you need an operation and you don’t have insurance, etc. I agree with you, but most Americans think about these things only when they’re on the need end of this sharp stick. Otherwise they don’t object to it. SO most Americans agree with us in principle, but few agree in practice. It’s a gap you have to artfully cross.
4. Personal responsibility and freedom over the nanny state.
Ditto.
5. Strong national defense.
&
6. Pride- instead of shame- in America
No argument here. You’re absolutely right. And McCain, the RNC, and all other Republicans are right there with you.
7. Standing up for Constitutional rights.
Ditto.
The Apologist on May 14, 2008 at 9:34 PM
F Fred.
What the HE L L kind of campaign was that anyway…I mean, he couldn’t do that correctly.
Obama is very beatable, he’s a Chauncey Gardiner-esque moron who can’t think for himself, who has surrounded himself with odd people.
Conservatism is dead anyway. The goddamm government is so gigantic now and so many suck on the teat that it’s a lost effing cause.
Game over man!
benrand on May 14, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Perhaps Johnny-Boy should give some thought about being President with a Democrat led Congress & Senate.
Oh, wait, he’ll LOVE it.
GLOBAL WARMING FREAK
AMNESTY FREAK
Does he realize that the Dems will pull us out of Iraq so fast his head will spin.
stenwin77 on May 14, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Look at this chart, McCain is actually to the Right Ideologically of Rudy, and Rudy was even Closer to ALL THE VOTERS..
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/693-7.gif
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Spirit:
Brad Ellsworth won the 8th District in Indiana by unseating Hostettler, a pale oconservative. Hostettler was not a big Bush man. He lost for the same kind of reasons that Santorum did, he went too far. I voted for him because I wanted Republians to keep the House, but he was beat badly.
And the guy who lost in Miss yesterday was conservative too. These people who are being beat are not all RINO’s. Not at all.
I think people are trending away from extremes.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:37 PM
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/693-7.gif
Romney is to the left of Bush(D@MN LIBERAL!!!!) >:D
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM
BUSH HAS BEEN A DISASTER. Double/triple Whammy… they all failed us.
He promised and DID NOT deliver:
An energy policy
Caps on med mal lawsuits
Social Security reform
and he had BOTH houses.
Then there was the amnesty CRAP that fought for like a bull dog. Where was that fight on the above issues.
Then he totally screwed up the war for 4 or more years… by his own admission.
stenwin77 on May 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM
stenwin:
So if McCain is such a freak, why couldn’t Tancredo or Hunter get past the single digits in their own damn party?
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I won’t argue with you there. But again, HP said it better then I’ve seen. And his 7 points are not extreme.
The victors in ‘06 tell us as much, if not more, then the losers. Freshly acquired seats – they want to keep them. Have we seen them run to vote on tax increases? Or precipitous withdraw from Iraq? Or push for amnesty? No, we’ve seen them take respectable positions that resist the Siren call of the loony left.
That tells us that THEY think the electorate is a little bit right of their own positions, not left. That means more conservative, less liberal. On some of the key issues, Iraq obviously an exception, McCain is left of them. If we take the lesson of ‘06, we should run right of blue dogs on the elections that are for seats.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Not without his consent they won’t. They’d have to defund the war and they won’t do it if he vetoes and they have to overturn his veto. They’ll be insisting on defeat. They don’t want those electoral consequences when the year-long epic genocide unfolds on TV screens across the USA..
The Apologist on May 14, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Lol. That has Huckabee to the right of Bush. Mr. National Ban on Smoking, subsidies to illegal immigrants, “I’m ok with any new taxes” Huckabee to the right of Bush. Lololololololololol
VolMagic on May 14, 2008 at 9:44 PM
stenwin:
Bush has been a disaster? Bush is not responsible for Congress. Social security reform? Are you serious? Crickets were chirping on the right when Bush was pushing that. He would have higher numbers now if he had just passed it along to the next guy. Energy policy? What does that mean? Bush has wanted more drilling, more refineries, but last time I looked he was not Jean Luc Picard standing on the deck of the Starship Enterprise saying Make It so.
And I don’t think Bush screwed up the war either. My Dad and his brothers were in WW2 and I grew up hearing about battles where more men were lost than we have lost in Iraq in 5 years.
Bush has been a war time president battling a disloyal opposition, a malicious press and a base that was more than willing to abandon him when things got tough.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:46 PM
McCain clearly benefitted from the many (too many) candidates. The party was fractured. I think if there had been a united party and only two or three candidates, McCain wouldn’t have stood a chance.
I haven’t ruled out that Fred was a stalking horse for McCain.
Someone wake me up from this nighmare.
stenwin77 on May 14, 2008 at 9:46 PM
You forgot to mention that he approved monetary compensation for Japanese internees, which cut a bad precedent and was a miscarriage of justice, as it is impossible to even out the multitude of victims of WWII. It wasn’t fair to focus on them for a monetary reparation.
I think RWR ignored a lot to focus on the #1 problem of the time, communism.
Plus, I suspect Nancy influenced him and I suspect she wasn’t all that rightward of center. Does college explain Patti and Ron?
silverfox on May 14, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Because main stream media destroyed their campaigns before they even started. The media now decides who the president will be. Look at Obama: no record, no accomplishments, attends church that hates America etc. yet he has been chosen. Nothing or no one will stop this train created by the media.
trs on May 14, 2008 at 9:47 PM
I disagree.
stenwin77 on May 14, 2008 at 9:48 PM
And you know it does not help a lot to have both houses when your majority is razor thin, but after conservatives set home and punish America…President Obama will have a super majority to work with and that will make his life a lot easier than Bush’s ever was.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Exactly. BOTH HOUSES couldn’t pass legislation he could sign. Bush doesn’t write the laws, Congress does. But they didn’t. Don’t blame him. It wasn’t his fault. It was FRIST and HASTERT that couldn’t tie their own damn shoelaces. And he carried SS Reform around for MONTHS trying to get it done. Cowards in the GOP Congress couldn’t get it done. How’s that his fault?
The Apologist on May 14, 2008 at 9:49 PM
stenwin:
I don’t care if you agree or not. I think Bush has been handed a raw deal by people who were more than happy to be his friend when it worked for them.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:49 PM
That chart from Pew was from January of 2008, Huck had some tough border stuff and probably his creationism put him over the top.
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:50 PM
If the electorate has changed, it’s because our politicians have- instead of advancing conservative principles, the Republicans are selling themselves as Democrats, but not quite as bad. There just isn’t a strong voice for the common sense conservative values the party is supposed to represent.
Do you really think the center has shifted in favor of higher taxes? More government? Amnesty? A weak military? I think not. Unfortunately we have a president who does a horrible job advancing these issues when he actually agrees with them- which is far too infrequent.
What made Reagan so successful in the elections wasn’t that he was a hardcore conservative 100% of the time, but that he was able to communicate conservative values in a way that resonated with people. Ditto with Gingrich and the “Contract with America”.
Hollowpoint on May 14, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Again, let me take your own words. If you are afraid of conservatives sitting at home and hurting the top of the ticket, what is the best antidote? Strong conservatives on the other parts of the ticket to draw them out!
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 9:51 PM
stenwin:
No McCain did not just benefit from a fractured party. Rank and file Republicans felt more comfortable with McCain than they did with Hunter or Tancredo. McCain is a respected man, whether conservatives like it or not.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:52 PM
One party is called the “Stupid Party” for a reason..
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Which, I should add, can’t be done by hand in glove with McCain. McCain is running away from Bush, with respect. Conservatives can certainly do the same, with the same effect, to McCain.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Hollowpoint:
The center is worried about high gas prices and medical bills and stuff like that. Do you really think that regular voters who do not spend their time on political blogs get all analytical about it?
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Hey, Levin, it’s the REPUBLICAN party, not the CONSERVATIVE party. Following your advice is pretty much assured destruction for the Republicans. See how well the stand on immigration has worked out? People want the issue settled, they don’t want people rounded up and thrown into jail. Keep watching what happens to every single Republican that goes “Tancredo” on the immigration issue … they will be tossed out on their ears. Just watch.
crosspatch on May 14, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Still, I wish being very religious wasn’t the main qualifier for being conservative. There’s much more important stuff that impacts everyone in the nation that makes one a conservative. I wonder why Fred wasn’t on that sheet.
VolMagic on May 14, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Best comment of the day. Terrye wins this thread hands down. Obama’s supermajority will be the Hate McCain Fanatic’s legacy.
The Apologist on May 14, 2008 at 9:55 PM
McCain is not asking for higher taxes and more government and weaker military.
Also on Amnesty AFTER the borders are secured(And verfied to be secured under a Republican Admn.) Yes, some form of Amnesty with background checks and bio-metric ids will be used.
Democrats are talking about Amnesty in the first 100 days(no border security, no ids nothing, more can come in while the Amnesty is going on even.. and after LOL)
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Spirit:
The best anecdote would be for some of these people to grow the hell up. They have made up their minds that if they can’t have her, no one will. Metaphorically speaking. And I am tired of the incessant bitching and moaning and whining.
I am sorry. but it is really getting old.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Levin is great and he is right! We need people to talk straight and have not just conviction but common sense.
mariloubaker on May 14, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Well if that’s true, I’m wasting my time on this thread. If you are just interested in making sure someone else gets the blame, instead of finding the recollect and address the various part of the party needs, then I guess you must consider yourself satisfied.
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 9:59 PM
sorry, verb tense error there. s/b : finding, recollecting, and addressing the various parts
Spirit of 1776 on May 14, 2008 at 10:00 PM
“Why Compromise your principles for nothing.” Mark Levin. I’m to assume winning the Iraq War and who picks the next two Supreme Court Justices is “nothing.” Mark Levin was for Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney is on tape saying Humans are causing Global Warming. Does that make Romney or Levin the dupe?
AYNBLAND on May 14, 2008 at 10:00 PM
The truth is that the same people on the right who helped the dreaded Democrats make Bush’s life impossible, are already starting to work on McCain. They will try to do the same thing to him, and then they will complain about his low numbers or his lack of political capitol.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:01 PM
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/693/republican-primary
Look at the top chart..
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Spirit:
It is not about blame. Really. It is about winning the election. Politics is not a philosophy, it is not academic. It requires a winner and a loser. I prefer that the winner not be Barack Hussein Obama.
And if Levin does not care about all those young men and women who were sent to war, then why should I give a damn what he thinks?
The first relative I had in Iraq was in the 4thID. He was in Kuwait when this started. Then two more went to Iraq.
And now what do conservatives care about? Roofers and nannies and earmarks.
Terrye on May 14, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Gas prices-
The Dem plan: Oppose new drilling, refineries and nuke plants. Tax existing production. Mandate what kind of light bulbs you can use.
The Conservative plan: Increase energy production. Build nuke plants. Keep taxes on energy production low. Free the market to help solve the problem.
Medical expenses-
Dem plan: Socialized medicine. Additional taxes to pay for it.
Conservative plan: Reduce unnecessary expense imposed by frivolous lawsuits. Allow insurers to compete across state lines. Tax credits.
The average person is smart enough to understand supply and demand. They already rejected socialized medicine. Again- not hard to convince voters which plan is better.
Hollowpoint on May 14, 2008 at 10:09 PM
That is a terrible idea. Turn the entire government over to the Democrats, with quasi-socialist Obama at their head? Some of us have businesses to run and mortgages to pay, let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Better 4 or 8 years of liberal-lite than hard left socialism.
JohnW on May 14, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Nice to see you on here… :) you make some good points.
sign up to gopachy.com/forum/ if you want to
Chakra Hammer on May 14, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I expect many Republican candidates will take Levin’s advice. I certainly hope they will. McCain is a disaster.
Bugler on May 14, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Maybe, but you Republicans can’t win without us Conservatives, and we’re not eating the turd sandwich without some decent condiments this time around. Deal with it.
doubleplusundead on May 14, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Why in the world would the GOP separate from one of the most popular republicans in the country?
Complete7 on May 14, 2008 at 10:14 PM
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