John McCain had a good day today; no, John McCain had a great day today. He had the kind of day that he likes best, the kind that makes him smile and laugh that “Heh-Heh” laugh of his. McCain gave a speech that he knew would make people like me reall…

As we stood steadfastly against Shamnesty, so too must we stand steadfastly against this travesty of the promotion of the non-issue issue which is Global Warming. This is why the Presidency at this point is moot. The Battlefield is in the House for t…..

“Faced with a choice between a man who would sell out Israel and Iraq to the Iranians and a man who promises to do something about global warming while standing by Israel and Iraq, is there really a choice?”

No, much as I abhor McCain’s foolishness, there really isn’t any choice. I don’t want the disaster Obambi promises on my hands, and I don’t think most of you do, either.

flyfisher on May 13, 2008 at 4:59 PM

I know a few conservatives and liberals at work. Lately it seems everybody, either liberal or conservative really enjoyed watching the good ship Hillary sink to the bottom. The liberals I know don’t like Hillary either and are also not thrilled with Obama.

But with the conservatives I sense a feeling of dread for what’s to come, I haven’t found one yet that likes McCain and of course nobody knows what to do about it because we have no choice.

But maybe we are better off if Obama wins. Think of it this way, everybody now blames the Republicans for high gas prices and all the problems. That’s because they only see who is in the Oval Office, they don’t stop to think that Republicans aren’t really in charge right now. IT’S THE DEMOCRATS THAT ARE IN CHARGE RIGHT NOW, THEY CONTROL BOTH HOUSES AND THAT’S WERE THINGS GET DONE…. OR DON’T GET DONE.

So maybe if we retain enough Republicans to do a lot of serious blocking of nutball leftist legislation and let the Democrats have the White House, people might finally realize that things are still getting worst and clearly the Democrats are in charge. They won’t have Bush to kick around anymore.

You might remember, nobody was better for getting Republicans elected than Bill Clinton.

McCain will not get my vote.

I’m finding cap and trade policy from CATO from 18 years ago for REAL pollutants like sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, but so far I’m not finding where they advocate such a system for harmless…. indeed beneficial and essential CO2.

Maxx on May 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Thanks for the information about Cato and cap and trade. The value of McCain’s carbon market does boil (pun intended) down to when CO2 becomes a pollutant–an issue which I have decided to become militantly agnostic in the face of the evidence presented by both sides. Given the popularity of the climate change view, I don’t see how we can blame McCain for trying to address these fears. Obama will address them anyway.

A McCain victory is the worst option. Liberal policies enacted by a Republican president. Opposition silenced. I have turned the corner. McCain must lose. Republicans can unite against the liberal policies of BO, but will have no choice but to endorse the liberal lite policies of McCain…. I would like to see Rush Limbaugh as the new RNC chair after McCain is defeated.
Angry Dumbo on May 13, 2008 at 4:15 PM

America has survived a Republican minority in Congress and liberal Democrat President, and it can do so again. Unfortunately, at this point, I see that as the best-case scenario. Our founders very wisely saw to it that a dedicated minority can prevent a great deal of damage.

The worst-case scenario is a President McCain rubber-stamping liberal programs and a Democrat-Controlled Congress returning the favor on his liberal oppointments.

The second-worst-case scenario would be a war between President McCain and the Republican opposition. If that happens, these idiots who’ve been whining that we don’t support McCain quite fervently enough to suit them are going to find out the hard way what the word “schism” REALLY means.

The second link lists the signatories to this letter.

The UN climate report was put together by policy wonks with an agenda. The scientists who are skeptical of the phenomenon of AGW make their points well.

I am not surprised that felloow conservative political junkies share my opinion of McCain and the GOP, but do you have a sense of how regular GOP voters in your area feel?

I live in a Memphis suburb in the 1st District of Mississippi. Today we are having a runoff election to replace Roger Wicker, who replaced Trent Lott. This is a reliably conservative district. That the Dem even has a shot ought to scare the bejesus out of the GOP leaders in Washington. The margin should be real tight, but if I were predicting the outcome I would lean toward Travis Childers, the Democrap. If Greg Davis loses, his defeat is because of gas prices (I paid $3.56 this morning) and extreme Bush fatigue. There is no excitement for anything or anyone related to the GOP around here right now.

If the Dems ever figure out that all they have to do is nominate pro-life and pro-gun candidates, we would never see another Republican majority in our lifetimes.

Well said, I agree totally.

I’m finding cap and trade policy from CATO from 18 years ago for REAL pollutants like sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, but so far I’m not finding where they advocate such a system for harmless…. indeed beneficial and essential CO2.

The cap-and-trade program often cited as a success story is the sulfur dioxide permit market created under Title IV of the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990. The market has cut acid rain sulfur dioxide emissions from the electric power industry by 40 percent over 1980 levels, at a savings of about $1 billion per year compared to the conventional command-and-control approach. In recent years, the Environmental Protection Agency has initiated a regional cap-and-trade market for nitrogen oxides and is currently considering a proposal to further reduce sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides using cap-and-trade approaches. The EPA is also considering reducing mercury emissions from power plants using a national cap-and-trade program.

Regulation (Cato Institute)

The GOP is circling the drain and no one in a position of leadership seems to have the stones to stand up and do anything about it. I’m not writing another check until the party gets its act together. If the modern GOP stands for open borders and the left’s naive environmental absurdities, then it is time for me to find a conservative alternative.

flyfisher on May 13, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Well said, flyfisher. You are not alone. A McCain victory is the worst option. Liberal policies enacted by a Republican president. Opposition silenced. I have turned the corner. McCain must lose. Republicans can unite against the liberal policies of BO, but will have no choice but to endorse the liberal lite policies of McCain. Iraq and the GWOT are huge issues to me, but BO cannot walk away from the GWOT as easily as McCain can. I live in Illinois where I always have to hold my nose when voting for Republicans, McCain is where I draw the line. The Party has to hit rock bottom and we have at least 6 months to go.

I would like to see Rush Limbaugh as the new RNC chair after McCain is defeated.

Then there’s cap and trade, which Mr. McCain has backed for years and would, as he put it with some understatement, “change the dynamic of our energy economy.” He noted that Americans have a genius for problem-solving but continued, “The federal government can’t just summon these talents by command – only the free market can draw them out.” To translate: His plan is “market based” insofar as it requires an expensive, invasive government bureaucracy to interfere with the market.

I’m going to investigate this further, but off the top of my head, I find the “logic” used here to show a spectacular lack of memory and the ability to ignore what you said yesterday if it doesn’t meet the needs of today. I’m strongly under the impression that the Cato Institute began the political push for “cap and trade” as a strategy to deal with pollution issues. It’s not my understanding that the Cato Institute is part of the socialist conspiracy. “Cap and trade” certainly makes sense economically as a way of dealing with externalities. Or are we now ignoring economics when it suits us? Are we no better than minimum wage advocates?

[I'm somewhat agnostic about whether carbon dioxide is an externality or not.]

Not to mention that geo-historically CO2 levels have risen after, not before, climate warming, thus suggesting that if there is any causal relationship, it is the reverse of that posited by the AGW alarmists.

MrLynn on May 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Bingo.

In other words, not only is Global Warming not a “proven scientific theory.” It has never even been put forth in terms of a coherent hypothesis which theoretically COULD be proven.
logis on May 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Actually, the hypothesis that CO2 forces the climate to warm… is falsified.
MrLynn on May 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM

I’m sure that – after the nearly TRILLION dollars that has been spent on Global Warming studies so far – any Global Warming advocate could easily bury you under a thousand reports he claims “confirm” the “theory.”

But that’s not the way science works either. It’s up to the theory’s ADVOCATES to 1) clearly state their hypothesis, and then 2) come up with a test that can disprove their theory. The Global Warmists don’t do that; therefore they are not arguing science, they are arguing theology.

And the discussion should never go beyond that point. If you allow them to saddle you with the burden of figuring out how to test their ill-defined (and therefore constantly changing) hypotheses, you’ve already lost the argument before it begins.

Then, you have to ask, what is the optimum climate?
MrLynn on May 13, 2008 at 1:27 PM

This is not a separate issue; it has to be included within the Global Warmists’ hypothesis, otherwise none of this matters.

What, exactly, is their claim supposed to be? Apparently, something bad is going to happen in precisely 20-200 years. But what, pray tell, is that supposed to be?

Once more, it is up to THEM to put their fuzzy, squirmy, ill-defined fears into a clearly-worded scientific postulate. If you try to “debate” liberals about what’s going on inside their own heads, then you’re arguing idiocy – and losing.

You know what…. I was going to hold my nose and vote for McCain but no more. He’s pissed me off so much with the global warming crap that I just can’t do it anymore.

I don’t care if he wins or not. The way I see it is that the presidency is lost to conservatives this cycle no matter if he wins or not. I’ll vote for all my local people and congressmen but McCain has lost my vote on this account.

Contrary to what McCain must believe, you can’t slap me in the face and insult my intelligence and get my vote.

Maxx on May 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Same here. President Bush isn’t a conservative and McCain is even less conservative than Bush is. I will not vote for him.

The GOP is circling the drain and no one in a position of leadership seems to have the stones to stand up and do anything about it. I’m not writing another check until the party gets its act together. If the modern GOP stands for open borders and the left’s naive environmental absurdities, then it is time for me to find a conservative alternative.

What you are basically saying is the facts don’t matter anymore. I reject that.

Maxx on May 13, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Of course will not vote for Obama either, I’ll throw my vote away on one of the others in the race… maybe I’ll vote for that wacko Ron Paul, at lease he doesn’t want to tax us to death with the global warming fraud.

Maxx on May 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Here are some facts for you:

Either John McCain or Barrack Obama is going to the next President of the United States. Bottom line is that if you don’t vote for one, you vote for the other. Just ask the handful of die-hard lefties in Florida who voted for Nader in 2000 and spared us President Al Gore on 9-11-01.

Great leaders don’t come along every day. In any society throughout history great leaders have been rare. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be called “The Great” because they’d be no big deal.

In my lifetime, I’ve seen pretty mediocre Republican Presidents, not true at all to the Constitution at all as I see it. All of them statists and all of them in the end more trustful of the government than of the people. Only one–only one–broke the mold.

Yes, you and everyone here is right. McCain is a statist. He’s not a true conservative in the sense to me that he trusts the state over the people.

But the choice is usually like that. very seldom do we get a Reagan. Much more often we get a Bush or a Nixon or a Ford.

But just because we get a Bush or a Nixon doesn’t mean we’d be better off with a McGovern, or a Dukakis, or a Gore, or that Jimmy Carter was the same as Ford would have been.

And this time it’s worse. Way worse. We have a young black cult-of-personality Dem who could rip the guts out of our way of life; who–the deeper you look–practices a kind of Orwellian newspeak in which patriotism is redefined as Leftist dogma, and allows for no criticism or contrary thought.

Voting against him is more than enough reason for me.

Update: Hugh Hewitt notes McCain’s support for nuclear power as a way to trade off for carbon emissions: …McCain has occupied the center on this debate, and the GOP and conservatives should get over it and begin working…

Is that going to be McCain’s campaign slogan? “Get over it!”

I just keep hearing that from all his supporters…

I guess that’s better than the first campaign slogan the McCain-ites were using….”Just shut up & vote McCain you stupid idiot”.

Yep, the new one definitely has more appeal. Sounds like a winner!

McCain isn’t worth it Ed. In the end of the race, McCain won’t remember you, and won’t do the things you say he’ll do.

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM

How exactly do you come to the conclusion that this post by Ed Morrissey is in favor of McCain? Rub your eyes and read it again.

Well if that’s the way you feel Typhoon, by all means vote for him. But I cannot. I have no hope that McCain will push any conservative agenda anymore than Obama will.

If McCain becomes president and sells out every vestige of our freedom and destroys our economy with this global warming hoax, I had rather that people won’t be able to point at me and say….. WELL YOU VOTED FOR HIM!!

Of course will not vote for Obama either, I’ll throw my vote away on one of the others in the race… maybe I’ll vote for that wacko Ron Paul, at lease he doesn’t want to tax us to death with the global warming fraud.

McCain isn’t worth it Ed. In the end of the race, McCain won’t remember you, and won’t do the things you say he’ll do.

Whether CO2 emissions are a problem, or not, Liberals have MADE it an issue.

franksalterego on May 13, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Liberals make all sorts of things issues. That doesn’t mean you cave into them at every turn. Let’s not be like Newt and sit on the love seat with Pelosi.

What you are basically saying is the facts don’t matter anymore. I reject that.

Are you talking about Obama or McCain?

Maxx on May 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM

*Laughing*

I knew someone was going to ask that. But…look, it’s not like I’m happy about it. I’m not. I wish there was someone out there who was standing up and calling this the nonsense it is.

But the sad fact is that someone isn’t out there, and all my wishing isn’t going to change it. What I’m left with is one man of a generation that reveres America, who has lived his life in her service, and another who’s lived a life amongst people that revile her.

Am I deliriously happy with the idea of President McCain? No. Not at all. Particularly if he takes that clueless f*** H*** as his running mate.

But to say that as much as and as many places as I part with McCain, I do trust him with the war and the Court, and I am truly scared for the future of my country by Obama.

So while, yeah, I wish he had a clue on this issue, I think he’s more likely to appoint to his administration people who will at least see the evidence when it becomes overwhelming that this was nonsense, and who doesn’t have ingrained in his being from his birth the idea that the sovereignty of nations is a bad thing.