Open thread: Hillary death rattle in West Virginia; Update: 20% say race is factor? Update: Hillary wins West Virginia
posted at 6:11 pm on May 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Exit polls are trickling in so we might as well open a thread. Victory is a foregone conclusion; what we’re looking for tonight is data damaging to the Messiah. How’s this?
Early CBS News exit polling shows that just 23 percent of Clinton voters in the West Virginia primary say they would be satisfied if Obama becomes the Democratic nominee. Three in four Clinton supporters would be dissatisfied with Obama carrying the Democratic banner-the highest number in the primaries to date…
Looking ahead to the general election, 36 percent of Clinton voters in West Virginia say they would vote for Obama if he becomes the nominee, while 35 percent plan to vote for McCain and 24 percent say they won’t vote at all.
20 percent said Obama shares Jeremiah Wright’s views “a lot.” We’re not going to liveblog the results, obviously, as the race will be called as soon as the polls close, but while we wait for the demographic data here’s Mary K’s latest post asking when and how Her Majesty’s finally going to bow out of this debacle. I was saying to a friend earlier this afternoon that there’s a genuine opportunity for Hillary here if she plays her cards right: Much to my surprise, our commenters agreed with me on Friday that we’ll be sad to see her finally go, indicating that she’s earned a considerable amount of goodwill on the right over the past month or so thanks to her perseverance, flashes of hawkishness, and softer touches. If Obama loses and she spends the next four years cultivating that centrist appeal, she could be very formidable in 2012. The left will hate her, but the left already hates her, probably irretrievably. The only Clintonian thing left to do is plant one foot in liberalism, one in conservatism, and bridge that divide all the way to the White House. Exit question: Hillary Clinton, healer?
Here’s Laura Ingraham from today’s show, anticipating Jim Geraghty in preemptively rebutting the media’s anti-Hillary spin of tonight’s results. Strange days, my friends.
Update: Tomorrow’s lede today.
Racially motivated voting appeared to be running higher than usual: Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi. And only a third of those voters said they’d support Obama as the nominee against John McCain, fewer than in other primaries where the question has been asked.
Update: It’s 7:30, the polls have closed, and the nets have called it for Hillary. Stand by for the full exits.
Update: And here they are. Per the gender split, she’s looking at about a 30-point win. Unusually, she won all education groups, including post-grads; was the pick of more voters as being the only candidate who was honest and trustworthy (35/19); won independents 54/42; won white Democrats by 46 points; and won among the 20% of voters who said race was important to them, 81/16. The media will go hog wild with the racial numbers to spin this as a tainted victory for Her Majesty, but even if you exclude that vote entirely she still wins by a margin well into the teens.
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Candidates always do that, right up until they actually drop out. If they gave any hint at all that they’re going to drop out, they’re going to lose support and campaign contributions since no one wants to send money to a candidate that’s just going to drop out in a week.
Hollowpoint on May 13, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Hillary Clinton said “God Bless America..”(Rev. Wright chimes in and says, “NO NO NO!!!! NOT God Bless America! GD Amerika!! GD AMERICA!!!” BWWAHHAHHA!!
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM
You will have to ask him.
EJDolbow on May 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Doesn’t matter what most people think. It’s not an opinion question. We’ll be free from our dependence on oil when we stop lighting, heating and cooling our homes, or moving about– or when you’re dead, whichever comes first. Dream on…
JiangxiDad on May 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM
The music at the end? Tom Petty’s “I won’t back down”.
amerpundit on May 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM
She’s still on life support,no wonder Hilrod is
pushing the universal healthcare! Haha
canopfor on May 13, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Ok, it’s over, and it was serenely beautiful, and incredible to watch her, almost like Disneyland.
Entelechy on May 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Her argument to the super delegates is the stronger one..
Obama cannot win Ohio, PA or WV, and slim in NJ and Nevada and New Mexico..
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Ha ha ha- she hasn’t given up the shameless liar bit I see.
Hollowpoint on May 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Thanks for cheering me up. Actually, I’m worried she’ll be my next Governor, if the blacks will let her.
JiangxiDad on May 13, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Very carefully worded that speech was.
Typhonsentra on May 13, 2008 at 9:33 PM
I assure you Obambi will win NJ if McCain picks Huck.
phronesis on May 13, 2008 at 9:34 PM
I wouldn’t worry about he being Governor.
But in the Senate the Democrats are going to get their own “Maverick.”
Let’s see how they like it.
EJDolbow on May 13, 2008 at 9:35 PM
or she’s in complete fantasy land…
Entelechy on May 13,2008 at 9:20PM.
Entelechy:This is a warped story of Hildarella(Cinderella),
only thing is,its not about cinderella,this story
is about the evil stepmother!
canopfor on May 13, 2008 at 9:36 PM
McCain is not stupid enough to pick the Huckster. Huck gets him nothing in the primary as all the states Huck can bring McCain can win on his own. And Evangelicals are not going to vote for Obama no matter how much they dislike McCain.
McCain needs to pick a VP who can deliver Michigan. With Michigan going Red, McCain wins.
EJDolbow on May 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Hillary is the stronger candidate it’s funny that the dems are stuck with Obama and fear a backlash of alienating the “black vote”
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Jiang:
If you are running for political office, it certainly does matter what most people think. You can just blow that off if you want, but if you want to win the White House it is a good idea to at least pretend to care about the issues that matter to most voters.
Terrye on May 13, 2008 at 9:38 PM
What if he picks Rudy? >:D
(Against Obama NY and NJ in play?)
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Jiang, I think we can free ourselves. A hundred years ago people would never have believed that we would be where we are now, there is no way of knowing what is in the future.
Terrye on May 13, 2008 at 9:41 PM
It’s also funny that the white woman got dumped on by the Dems. Soon the Dems will dump the troublesome Blacks and get a real Hispanic (not a pseudo like Richardson) to run. Somebody like Jimmy Smits or Marc Anthony.
JiangxiDad on May 13, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Put it this way… what states can Obama realistically win, that Hillary can’t..
Hillary has lots of states that she can win that he cant..
The Democrat party has a problem.
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:42 PM
I think Rudy is a good idea, but will the Conservatives go for him? Or will there be more drama, threats to walk, crying, whining, protesting…..
Terrye on May 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Meant that the mechanics of climate change is not subject to opinion. Certainly most people believe man is causing it. Still, most people would be wrong. Too bad McCain is one of them. Water under the bride I know. He’s our man, right??
JiangxiDad on May 13, 2008 at 9:44 PM
That put the NJ in play, but the Socons would balk.
phronesis on May 13, 2008 at 9:44 PM
bridge
JiangxiDad on May 13, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Allah, please never put the expression “bottoms up” in such close proximity to a photo of Hillary again. The suggested mind picture is too hideous to bear.
sondiehl on May 13, 2008 at 9:48 PM
They would vote for the judges.(Rudy was for Alito and Roberts)
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Haha. Paul would be the first to endorse.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Thanks for noticing Rush! Truth is, when McAmnesty locked it up most of the fun was done. Hildabeast vs. Obamination is fun too, but the comments are way to predictable. I’m sometimes tempted to jump in on a Hitchens thread, but why butt my head against the Young Earth bolder heads?
peski on May 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Clinton 87,348 64%
Obama 39,489 29%
36%
reporting
Obama is not even winning one county..
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Clinton 91,957 64%
Obama 40,816 29%
38%
reporting
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Domination.
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Terrye on May 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM
I’ll be voting against Obama, rather than for McCain. The Mav gets my vote by way of being the only viable option. Personally, I think we are going to have our hands full trying to put a lid on the Mav so that he doesn’t set the country back a few decades with his Liberal ideas. There is much I admire about the man Terrye, don’t get me wrong. As is the case with much in life, the negatives sting much sharper than the positives shine.
Keemo on May 13, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Clinton 93,969 65% W00T!!!
Obama 41,428 28%
39%
reporting
http://i27.tinypic.com/1jrcsl.jpg
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:56 PM
whatsa matter bro? worried that McCain might actually win?
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Clinton 100,406 65%
Obama 43,538 28%(All HOPE IS LOST)
41%
reporting
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:58 PM
I’m just going to post this on every thread for the McCain haters
talk is cheap
The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM
One has to care to be worried. And I’m pretty indifferent right about now.
I live in Minnesota (a state that hasn’t gone red in over 30 years) so it’s not like my vote matters anyways.
Hollowpoint on May 13, 2008 at 10:08 PM
I’m just going to post this on every thread for the McCain haters
I showed that to my brother(a Union mechanic) and it scared the sh** out of him..
Just say NO to taxes..
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Fortunately for us all, tax increases aren’t going to be rubber stamped even by a democratic congress. Politicians do like to get re-elected.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I hope it ends up being a 40% margin. CHAOS!
SouthernGent on May 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Money can’t buy you love.
- Paul McCartney
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 10:13 PM
GOP lost the Miss. seat…we are screwed this year.
jp on May 13, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Money can’t buy you love.
-Paul McCartney
MB4 on May 13,2008 at 10:13PM.
MB4:It seemed to work for Spitzer thou,Ha Ha.
canopfor on May 13, 2008 at 10:20 PM
republican is losing in Mississippi. Game over.
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6534093&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
lorien1973 on May 13, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Too bad the national party still doesn’t get it.
SouthernGent on May 13, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Snort. Canopfor 1
Oy. Stormclouds.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 10:22 PM
I understand, just realize that an Obama victory means you, your business, what your kids inherit, what your corporation pays to stay in business, what you nake bu investing wisely, basically any capitalist endeavor will be taxed to the hilt if Obama wins
you and your family will be hurt, guaranteed
McCain with all his faults is good on WOT and security and he walks and talks low taxes, there is no other US Senator who can outflank him on low taxes and earmarks and believe me, there is no other issue more important to US voters, they are getting screwed and know it.
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 10:23 PM
potentially the Dems will have huge majorities in congress and a far left Socialist in the whitehouse. good grief
jp on May 13, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Silver lining for Obama tonight:
Childers won in MS-01 tonight. They aren’t allies or anything but the Wright campaign by the GOP appears to of had no impact at all on his numbers.
Typhonsentra on May 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM
She is KILLING the Messiah in West Virginia.
I can’t believe my eyes.
Obama can only be seen as a very, very weak front runner.
EJDolbow on May 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM
he can’t win Florida either. The muslim factor will come into the election.
unseen on May 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Silver lining for Obama tonight:
Childers won in MS-01 tonight. They aren’t allies or anything but the Wright campaign by the GOP appears to of had no impact at all on his numbers.
Typhonsentra on May 13, 2008 at 10:27 PM
childers ran away very far away from BHO. He disawoved him. what happens in NOV when he can’t do that? It was a very close vote. very close.
unseen on May 13, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Remember the old Democrats ads telling people to vote Democrat because of checks and balances?
Well… whats a better ad than to use their own words against them? >:D
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I don’t see how Obama can be seen as a viable candidate in the general at this point.(that other stuff doesn’t even need to come into it)
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM
True. To rent it anyway. And it “only” cost him, what a few tens of thousand and it cost Paul about 25 million.
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM
WV
Clinton 134,732 65%
Obama 56,687 28%
58%
reporting
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Hillary is getting 80% vote totals in the counties that border Kentucky! Great googlymoogly!
SouthernGent on May 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM
That’s why you don’t generally see me joining the chorus of McCain bashers even when I largely agree with them. He’s the nominee, and no amount of complaining can change that. If people want to vote for him as lesser of two evils, I respect that choice and see no reason to try and convince them otherwise. Doesn’t mean I’m going to take the same path, however.
Hollowpoint on May 13, 2008 at 10:41 PM
To paraphrase the great Ronald Reagan, with all that horse manure coming there has just got to be a pony coming along sometime, perhaps in 2012.
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Clinton 144,518 65%
Obama 61,400 28%
61%
reporting
How can he Unite America, when he cannot Unite a Party?
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM
How many federal judges will that Democrat controlled Senate be able to ram though?
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Hillary is now ONE POINT away from a 40 point lead on Obama.
150,391 - 63,011 (66% to 27%)
EJDolbow on May 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Clinton 150,391 66%
Obama 63,011 27%
64%
reporting
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Please get to 70% Hillary…lol.
SouthernGent on May 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM
oh yeah, the guy who invented amnesty
4 years is a long time to get hosed
The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.
enjoy…don’t matter to me I’m retired and live in Mexico, land of 10% income taxes and less than 1% property taxes
it’s a libertarian paradise here compared to what you’re facing
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Dick Lugar, along with Barack Obama, spent 3 hours talking with the Russians…
What’s up with that? We know Obama is a Marxist. Has Lugar become one, too?
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
sheesh.. slow motion train wreck. >:D
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
What does Obama know about nuclear facilities? NADA..
Hmmm neat pipes and stuff.. cool white coats.. pretty clean..
OK, everything looks OK to me..
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I think you and I are on the same page. The trip wasn’t about inspecting nuclear facilities. It was about their three hour summit meeting.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
If Florida and Michigans popular votes are added to the mix, Obama leads Hillay by 40,000.
Right now Hillary is beating Obama by 100,000 votes in WV.
Tomorrow she will start chanting that she has received more vote than Obama, again.
EJDolbow on May 13, 2008 at 11:05 PM
AP a little more than 30 point win.. LOL
it’s currently at Clinton +39% with 69%
reporting
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 11:05 PM
That has been hurled against Reagan more than once on other threads and answered. Reagan learned, Juan just keeps on throwing
$hitlettuce.MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Those RINO’s who made McCain the Republican nominee should have though of that. Probably too late now.
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:18 PM
MB4 surrender.
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 11:21 PM
MB4 you got a whole lot of quit in ya. >:D
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Clinton 181,418 66%(107,787)
Obama 73,631 27%
76%
reporting
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM
So America isn’t good enough for you then?
The least you could do is to use some of that extra money to hire as many Mexicans as you can so that there will be fewer coming up here illegally.
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Reagan repealed his amnesty program? do tell
awwwww…poor little Fredhead…evil Rinos duped the electorate
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 11:27 PM
You got a whole lot of mouth in ya.
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:28 PM
YES…41%! OMG!
SouthernGent on May 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:18 PM
MB4 surrender.
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 11:21 PM
MB4: I leave a thread for a few moments,and your
surrendering,MB4 this is a 6 month Political
tour on the U.S.S. Hot Air,so man the H-LL up!
Its always darkest before the dawn,or sumpin*
like that!
*(canopfor regrets the use of the word sumpin,
it should read something!)
like that!
canopfor on May 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
must be a snafu glitch,forget the last two words”like that”
canopfor on May 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I love America, thats why I voted for W twice, and will vote for McCain. I like guys who protect my country and keep taxes low so I have the freedom to make my own way.
I’m retired now but have invested heavily in projects here that pay sufficient wages to keep Mexican workers in Mexico.
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 11:39 PM
As Hillary continues on, she won’t be the only Democrat who will be pulling shots more often.
Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM
The surrender has already been ordained. The only matter to be resolved now , and not by anyone at Hotair, is if the surrender will be to Obamawan Barakobi or to Juan Plantation McStrawberries. Choice of poisons is all that’s left folks.
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:45 PM
New thread on Hillary on the right.
Entelechy on May 13, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Well invest more heavily then, as what you are doing now obviously just isn’t cutting it, and draw some of the 20 million back to Mexico in case Juan becomes el Presidente and builds the fence with gates swinging in but not out, which is probably the only kind of fence Mr. LaRaza would ever build.
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:50 PM
here you go:
added bonuses, surrender of WOT, Iraq, and some juicy Supremes
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 11:52 PM
You are one of the good guys, glad to know ya. :)
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 11:54 PM
my investment vs your pixels
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Clinton 214,122 67%(Clinton +41%)
Obama 83,197 26%
89%
reporting
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 11:56 PM
I thought that HildaBeast was dead.
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Six of one … … …
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
And I haven’t left America!
MB4 on May 13, 2008 at 11:59 PM
not advising that, we need all the patriots we can muster
just be carefull what you wish for
McCain is not my cup of tea either, but the alternative is going to hurt you more
windansea on May 14, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Looks like Obama is not even going to crack the 100,000 vote threshold in West Virginia.
EJDolbow on May 14, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Can someone explain why the Dem numbers aren’t adding up to 100%?
Clark1 on May 14, 2008 at 1:23 AM
John Edwards is getting the other 7%. See Fox News.
Red Pill on May 14, 2008 at 1:33 AM
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