Heart-ache: High-school student banned from prom for skimpy dress
posted at 5:25 pm on May 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The boss, being a good mom, is outrageously outraged by the choice of attire. Granted, it’s tacky, but certainly no more revealing than a bikini. Dare I say it, but if America’s daughters aren’t allowed to dress like prostitutes then the terrorists have already won. Exit question: What large percentage of the overwhelmingly male, anti-Islamist HA readership is with me?
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Hey MC. I will take issue with you here. Our reaction need be based without regard to other world views. Our freedoms, and the preservation of them, are not fixed on the opposite of something else. If terrorists eat with a fork with their right hand, should we switch to our left? Not at all, all we need to do is stick to our position. If you going into a shop where the sign says - No shirt, no shoes, no service - have the terrorists won? Of course not.
Anyway, I’m not really trying to advocate either way, merely commenting that it is fitting for communities to make rules, dress codes included. It’s no abrogation of the intent of the founding fathers. That’s the point I’m getting at in response to what was said above.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Wow. You’re really clever… and so hip with the times.
Note: The alternate link I posted is NOT a stupid Rick-Roll.
nosliwelyk on May 13, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Calling someone a prude because they think a skimpy dress, on a badly tattooed child is your answer?
You see Baphomet, it is called discernment, look it up and study the word.
It is being a respectful citizen. There are dress codes, and kudos for principal Todd for making those rules stick. School is where you should learn some discipline. Of course, you don’t believe in that…if it feels good do it. BTW, dressing like that is disruptive, disrespectful of authority, immature, narcissistic, and a sign of being uneducated (the other sign is she has a difficult time putting a sentence together).
If it feels good do it, is okay by you. So you think a high school child can take drugs if it doesn’t harm others? Drive without a license if they don’t get in an accident? Drink at a party, get drunk as long as they don’t harm others. Have sex with whomever as long as they aren’t harmed?
You see where your flippant, “if it feels good do it” takes you, that was the mantra of the 60’s, that is the foundation of the liberal party now.
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 6:39 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pyxOJUcsklQ
nosliwelyk on May 13, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Understood; I follow your meaning.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM
CNN and the rest of the media will get spun up by showing yet another video of a sexualized high school girl. High school girls watch the videos and read the magazines and dress even more like strippers.
I think Allah’s point is humorous.
dedalus on May 13, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Unrelated to anything, but practicality. Switch to fork in left hand, knife in right, or vice-versa if you’re left-handed, or whichever if your ambidextrous :)
Entelechy on May 13, 2008 at 6:41 PM
I was about to exit this thread, but surely R2B, you are joking! You would out source teaching discipline to our school system? To you I say: GOOD LUCK.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Somebody sounds a little pissed that they got RickRoll’d. And who still says “hip with the times”?
malan89 on May 13, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Post of the night.
Vizzini on May 13, 2008 at 6:44 PM
If I had your talents E, I’d cut my meat with the power of my mind and then I would be free to use either hand for my fork! :)
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Doesn’t make it wrong, though.
Here’s the thing: for the setting, the dress was over the line. Had this been a dance club or some other ADULT venue, I’d be the first to stand up and whistle. However, this was a HIGH SCHOOL FUNCTION! As such, the school has every right to ask her to leave if they thought what she wore (or did, or said, or blinked for that matter) was inappropriate. So from a purely LEGAL standpoint, the school was in the right and the girl, not so much.
From a cultural standpoint, I don’t personally think it is appropriate for a girl that young to be dressing in such a revealing fashion. My daughters will not, at least not while they live under my roof. If HER folks thought that the dress was okay, well, that’s their issue. The school has to act on the premise of the most good for the most kids, and having one of the students dressed in a way that could quite possibly cause fights is not that.
Also, I have to take exception to the notion that the prom is an adult function. It is about as adult as dressing up in your parent’s clothes in front of the mirror: you may look the part, but underneath you’re still a kid. And if you don’t think American High School students are anything BUT children, well, go spend some time in one. It’s actually quite sad.
Militant Bibliophile on May 13, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Guess a persons right to dress like a street whore stops at the street. Well done.
Claypigeon on May 13, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Time and place, Allah. Time and place.
EJDolbow on May 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Guffaw…breathe…guffaw again.
29Victor on May 13, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Here let me help you read:
Got it? School teaches SOME discipline.
Let me give you a couple of examples seeing as you are so dense as to not understand the obvious.
You have to show up to school on time
You have to move from class to class on time
You normally sit in the same chair each day
You do your homework
You don’t disrupt the class
You take notes
You learn to ask questions in an orderly manner
You read a book from the front page to the back page
..and in your case it would have taught you to read and understand the content of what you are reading.
Get it now? each of these is a discipline…
sheeesh…
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 6:51 PM
In one of the clips from the video, they briefly show a paper that the school gave to the students that was the dress code for the prom.
These were the rules:
1. Only one inch of the mid section can be shown
2. Bare backs are acceptable
3. Slits in the dresses can be no more than 3 inches above the knee
4. See through fabrics should not be in areas that reveal private body parts
5. Proper undergarments must be worn
6. Tennis shoes of any kind are unacceptable
It also contained a reminder that the event was a black tie affair, a note that failure to adhere to the guidelines could result in you and your date not being admitted to prom and a form for you to sign saying that you had read and agreed to the above guidelines.
The fact is that there was a rule in place that she chose to ignore and she suffered the pre-stated consequences for it.
Now, whether or not the dress was ’slutty’ or whether or not the school has the right to impose a dress code are other issues.
If their prom was anything like mine, they signed those dress code forms when they bought their tickets. If she’s adult enough to work that body at an ‘adult setting’ like prom, she’s adult enough to honor contracts that she affixes her signature to.
JadeNYU on May 13, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Won’t someone PPPLLLEEEEEEAAASSEEEEEE think of the children?!?
brak on May 13, 2008 at 6:55 PM
If we kill terrorists, then should we kill ourselves too?
Um, no. Because we’re not terrorists.
If you want to spit in the face of terrorists then do that - by spitting in their faces - preferably after killing them and taking a huge bite out of a pork rib.
But turning kids into prostitutes to (somehow) spite Osama bin Ladin? Yeah, I just don’t see where AllaP’s thought process is going there.
logis on May 13, 2008 at 6:56 PM
She is just a bit confused. She has seen what is being worn to black tie events by celebrities, and couldn’t see why this was inappropriate.
DFCtomm on May 13, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Let her make an ass out of herself. Let ‘em all do what they want. They’ll learn the hard way.
johnnyU on May 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Meet me at the corner of Hoochie Mama and Attention Whore.
Teddy on May 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Made my night. :D
MadisonConservative on May 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM
And what is at all wrong with that? It’s called “society.”
No one is saying that she doesn’t have a right to dress like a whore. No one here is trying to take away her liberty. No one here is threating to stone her or lock her up. They are just expressing societal norms.
It’s legal for her to dress that way, just like it’s legal for her to have five kids by the time she’s 18 or for me to walk through the city park in a speedo or for someone to curse in front of my kids or my wife. But some people here feel that that type of behavior should be discouraged. That that kind of behavior is inappropriate or even in some way harmful.
The way that society maintains its norms is through “raising a scandal” when someone breaks them. That is what people are doing here.
29Victor on May 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Spirit, I miss you when you go away for a while, but not only because you say those things :)
Also, s/b “if you’re ambidextrous”, of course. One of these days I’ll be less hurried and excited to hit the submit button.
Entelechy on May 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM
And kudos to Principal Todd for sticking to the contract.
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Killing them AFTER making them watch a Powerpoint filled with cartoons of Mohammed and Madonna videos.
malan89 on May 13, 2008 at 7:02 PM
You are right. I misread. I didn’t register the modifier.
Though, as to your examples, I’ve not seen these generally exercised so I’m still in doubt of their being taught at all. Exercised (and thereby strengthened) by those with discipline, yes. Taught, well…I’m in doubt of that.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Yeah, if she signed a contract that she would honor the dress code…then the school had every right to ban her.
malan89 on May 13, 2008 at 7:03 PM
She perfectly within her rights to wear her dress in a public place and parade it on national TV as well. Similarly, the sponsors of a private event at a hotel are free to exclude anyone they want from that event. If the dress code was known ahead of time, then no refund is due. If there was no dress code, then it becomes a more difficult question whether a refund is due.
pedestrian on May 13, 2008 at 7:04 PM
Women should dress modestly.
“In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety.” 1 Timothy 2:9
I LOVE women, but ladies, if you’re not selling anything, don’t advertise.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Look, I’m not some pansy liberal that’s afraid of a little waterboarding.
But, I think we can all agree that forcing people to watch Madonna videos goes far beyond any level of torture that might be necessary to extract some information.
JadeNYU on May 13, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Then after she graduates she could go to a trade school and learn some bondage. Just throw in a pair of leather hip boots with that dress and she’s got a career.
[I may have been watching too much Red Eye]
29Victor on May 13, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Thanks, you are very generous.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Probably more right then wrong.
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 7:14 PM
She should sue her English teacher for neglect.
jdpaz on May 13, 2008 at 7:15 PM
first commenter at the above youtube link explains
windansea on May 13, 2008 at 7:18 PM
She’s a ho fo’ sho.
loganthompson on May 13, 2008 at 7:22 PM
It is the epitome.
baldilocks on May 13, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Not taught per se, but they exist as a preamble to the real world.
I had one child graduate from a state high school, and another from a private high school. One was agnostic so they went to the state school, the other followed our Christian beliefs and went to a parochial high school.
Both are successful business attorneys for very major law firms.
Both learned discipline in school as well as home and at work. And to get a law degree and pass the bar exam in three states (both of them California, and two other states) takes a lot of discipline from all three sources.
We hand chose the state school, and it matched the parochial school for education. There are good state schools, but tough to find.
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Sue the English teacher, sue her tattoo artist, and sue her seamtress…
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Her parents.
baldilocks on May 13, 2008 at 7:27 PM
She just looks idiotic and sounds like a typical dopey kid. I mean, whatever I guess. That said, I’m all for skimpy dresses. =p
Dash on May 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM
At least, maybe lock them up.
And maybe, unfortunately, the word is parent.
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM
Allahpundit, I trust you already know you got a RUMBLE with Michelle Malkin on this one….
Lockstein13 on May 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM
That pretty much sums it up. There was a contract, she signed it then refused to honor it. The principal enforced it and good for him.
That said, this whole thing reminds me of John Updike’s little masterpiece “A&P.”
inviolet on May 13, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Ummmmmmmmmmm did you think that maybe that’s because your husband is the only person you have ever had sex with? You think it’s awesome because of the small sample size.
JHC on May 13, 2008 at 7:48 PM
I have no desire to contradict you. I did misread you earlier, and so was in error as to your meaning. Consequently it would be unpardonable to attempt to carry my point now. :) I’ll just say congratulations to you for the confluence of forces that gave your children that discipline. That must, undoubtedly, give you tremendous satisfaction as a parent.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Freudian slip?
Definition of mores.
Definition of moors.
aengus on May 13, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Assuming that’s true, the result is still that conservative Christian women enjoy the sex that they have more.
JadeNYU on May 13, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Sorry Allahpundit, but that sentiment is way off the mark. We do not have to allowing our daughters - or sons - to be clad like streetwalkers in order to have reasonable freedom of dress. That’s somewhat akin to allowing the KKK to parade down Main Street so you can boast you have truly free speech.
Dark-Star on May 13, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Not really, I tell everyone in person that they are used car dealers.
But the state schools are a challenge. That I agree with you.
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Am I the only one that got sarcasm out of that? I’ve read enough of his posts to think it was. If I’m right I hope he’s getting a good laugh at some of the comments here.
ALLAH! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! YOU SHOULD BE FIRED!!!!
Good grief.
Grunt2Jag on May 13, 2008 at 7:55 PM
How is this helping my children?
.
(You know things are absurd when quoting Michelle Obama makes sense.)
Right_of_Attila on May 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Actually that was from a book;”Who Really Cares” by Arthur C. Brooks (Syracuse university).
It shows that conservative, republicans have a more active and satisfying sex life then liberals, democrats.
That is a minor part of the book, it delves into giving, blood donation, basically who really cares for others.
The author was quite surprised by the findings and spent a considerable time checking his facts and figures.
right2bright on May 13, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Gosh, yes, it’d be so much better for the marriage if we were constantly comparing one another to past lovers. -rolls eyes-
Quisp on May 13, 2008 at 8:07 PM
To quote Don Imus, “Nappy-headed hoe”.
She couldn’t wrap the dress around, because she wasn’t wearing any underwear….LOL!
Tim Burton on May 13, 2008 at 8:10 PM
So…you should sample as many people as possible to make sure exactly where your sex-partner-of-the-moment (cough) is on the scale of awesomeness, and also to make sure you’re not missing anything even more fantastic, did I get that right?
hahahahahahahaha *ahem* sorry.
OK let’s review:
Baffling, i’n't it? I wonder why? Lessee:
–no being compared with multiple others
–no comparing to others or bad flashbacks or memories of being dumped after making yourself so vulnerable
–no chance of disease assuming both disease free upon marriage
–secure, committed sex with someone pledged to you for life
You’re right. That sounds like a recipe for misery to me. *rolls eyes*
inviolet on May 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Beat me to it. Eye-rolls all around then. :)
inviolet on May 13, 2008 at 8:12 PM
well at least she has a future in public speaking
custer on May 13, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Regrettably, he’s not. But I can tell you this; in a committed, trusting relationship sex is entirely different from sex in a temporary, uncommitted relationship.
Aside from that, Quisp and inviolet said it all. :-)
Laura on May 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Is this young lady a foreign exchange student? I couldn’t quite understand what she was saying
jimboster on May 13, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Kudos to Michelle Malkin for “hanging in there” and trying to encourage people to save the children that attend public schools — both from themselves and from their parents (and from bloggers like MoonGodPundit, too). As usual, she is right, and he is wrong.
If we follow along the path subscribed by our porn-saturated host, it won’t be long before ritual human sacrifice of young virgins will be practiced at the high school proms. Of course, by that time, they’ll have to sacrifice beta-male CINO bloggers, since they will be the only virgins left.
As for me and mine, I’d never send my daughters to public school anyhow. It’ll be private or home schooling for them.
My collie says:
That has nothing to do with sex, and with him, it ALWAYS comes back to sex.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on May 13, 2008 at 8:28 PM
AP -
Sorry, but you’re mistaken on this one. She was banned because she can’t follow the rules: rules which clearly defined what was appropriate and what was not. Let’s not pretend that she’s a victim in this situation.
fourstringfuror on May 13, 2008 at 8:37 PM
I had a
dreamnightmare that I was at my prom with my underware on.Beto Ochoa on May 13, 2008 at 8:42 PM
agreed
funky chicken on May 13, 2008 at 8:45 PM
The prom is a school event and the administrators of that school deemed it necessary to prohibit a student from the event, based upon the judgment granted to them by the state. If she wants to dress like common street trash then no one is stopping her. She merely has to do it elsewhere.
And by the way, where is this girl’s father? Either her father is as irresponsible and morally bankrupt as she or he is not present in her life. Both cases are pathetic.
Claypigeon on May 13, 2008 at 8:47 PM
She probably doesn’t know her dad. Her mother probably doesn’t, either.
fourstringfuror on May 13, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Islamists breathe air too! If you don’t strangle yourself you HATE AMERICA! Come on AP, that’s below you.
Darth Executor on May 13, 2008 at 8:53 PM
When she was standing in that skanky dress, showing off her tattoo, in front of that hotel, I wonder if any passing wannabe johns offered her twenty bucks for a private prom.
Tantor on May 13, 2008 at 8:53 PM
You forgot one little thing: The whole being in Love thing… That helps a bit in the matter too.
/
bikermailman on May 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM
What you see (and hear), is what you get.
OldEnglish on May 13, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Dang, man… to quote Iowahawk, I would hit that. Hard. IF I was seventeen again. Plus a whole lot of other “ifs.”
What’s the big deal?
wccawa on May 13, 2008 at 9:05 PM
You stay classy, wccawa.
fourstringfuror on May 13, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Oh….yeah that’s right. Cause you wouldn’t pledge yourself to someone for life, and they to you, because you were in love or anything…. ;)
inviolet on May 13, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Won’t someone please think of the shoes?
Perry on May 13, 2008 at 9:15 PM
So glad I’m not alone here. I have said this before AP, I can always tell your posts, they have a flair of the adolescent to them. How do you know the majority are male, though I thought so with many agreeing with some teenage remarks like how hot MKH is, which always cracks me up and makes this blog look so bad.
If you can’t see that the principal was right by enforcing the rules, you have major problems. How you got to be head blogger is odd to me too. I would like to come here to discuss things intelligently, but you manage to bring it down to a lower level of intelligence.
Saying that this girl wasn’t allowed to wear this dress is saying the terrorists won? Are you for real? Michelle is so intelligent, I often wonder if she looks at what you write.
I still think you are young and adolescent and turn HA, which could be good, into a teenage discussion, leaving conservativsm out but bringing in stupid exit questions, like was so and so hot with her glasses?
Do you think you consider what some of us are saying here at least?
Conservatives R Us on May 13, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Was the prom on a beach?
aikidoka on May 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM
I’m assuming this was a public school and it’s refreshing to hear they did something right for a change.
Maxx on May 13, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Since she is underage we call that a prostitot. I gotta go so I’m off like a prom dress!
trs on May 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I agree in regard to the comments about MKH et al are adolescent, but you can’t lay that at AP’s door. He has not invited, and frequently rebuked comments that are/were tasteless and without regard to the subject of the post.
Spirit of 1776 on May 13, 2008 at 9:36 PM
On May 13th, 2008 at 9:56 am, prendad said:
wow
funky chicken on May 13, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Somebody provided the sperm. He’s culpable too–for his absence.
baldilocks on May 13, 2008 at 9:42 PM
What’s so hard about this?
She’s a high school student, going to a school function and she’s dressed inappropriately for anything besides hooking at the Point.
If you don’t have a problem with it it’s because you don’t have children.
SouthernDem on May 13, 2008 at 9:54 PM
It’s not the girls fault. She has never been told there are RULES in life.
tx2654 on May 13, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Jeez AP is taking a beating today.
This blog post is FAIL.
fossten on May 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM
In a free society, people generally have the right to do stupid things such as dress like a slut. People in a free society also have a right to criticize those who dress like sluts.
jgapinoy on May 13, 2008 at 10:26 PM
That’s little bit beyond skimpy, but nice try.
jeanie on May 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM
The prom dress is a tad short,she should be wearing
a decent prom dress,and its still only High school!
With an outfit like that,she’d be the centre of attention
at the dance,and alot of males would be getting smacked
up the side of the head,with their partners saying what
are you staring at,eh!
canopfor on May 13, 2008 at 10:39 PM
It doesn’t logically follow though that if the secular women changed that they’d respond with the same level of satisfaction as of the conservative group.
dedalus on May 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM
“Prom, I thought you said Pr0n”
29Victor on May 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
For those fascinated by thoughts of no underwear, she actually said that the school marm said she wasn’t wearing any underwear, to which she protested that she was indeed, wearing underwear. She didn’t say “undergarments” either.
But JadeNYU called it right, it’s in the contract.
Maquis on May 13, 2008 at 11:09 PM
I was BORN classy, then things kind of went down the crapper. But thanks for the thought. I’d still hit that. Hard.
wccawa on May 13, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Hugh Hefner is beating a path to her door.
jgapinoy on May 13, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Many of the “happy” people described did change from secularism.
jgapinoy on May 13, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Thanks for link. It’s reasonable to assume that people in each group may have previously belonged to the other, though those subsets aren’t broken out from the aggregates.
But might those people you refer to be moving from a younger time with multiple partners to a later more committed relationship with someone who proved to be the right match?
dedalus on May 14, 2008 at 12:10 AM
The thing to remember is that the founding fathers (and their forebearers as the head of the colonies) set up a society that was founded upon the bedrock of the Word of God.
Liberty + God = Freedom.
Liberty - God = Anarchy.
People need a good moral foundation. Nobody would have worn that outfit in the colonies out of a sense of modesty. It’s one of the virtues which has been lost in our culture which glamorizes the loss of innocence.
Yes, our children will someday lose their innocence. Yes, we cannot prevent it. However, we do not need to promote it, hasten it or, worst of all, glamorize it. The glamorization of the loss of innocence is the most blatant sign that America has moved way too far from it’s foundational (i.e. embedded in God) Christian roots.
That is why we have people marketing stripper kits for pre-pubescent girls for Halloween.
Yes, adults can do what they want in the privacy of their own home. Yes, they can do such things in other private settings (such as a nightclub, if that is the style of the nightclub), but people in High School shouldn’t be wearing such outfits at a High School function.
Theophile on May 14, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Classless. Of course you can’t go to a school prom dressed like a street hooker; don’t be ridiculous.
Who raises these sluts?
Jaibones on May 14, 2008 at 12:28 AM
It’s possible, though I would think that someone who has spent years sowing wild oats will still be reaping for a while after he stops sowing.
jgapinoy on May 14, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Could be. Also, it’d be interesting if the survey were broken down by gender. I’d imagine that the percentages would be different for men and women.
dedalus on May 14, 2008 at 12:49 AM
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