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Good news: Dems now lead GOP on all ten key electoral issues

posted at 1:42 pm on May 13, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Consider this a reminder that the important race tonight isn’t Hillary vs. Obama but Davis vs. Childers for that open congressional seat in deep red — or should I say “formerly deep red”? — Mississippi. The GOP’s pumping in robo-calls on Davis’s behalf from everyone from Bush to McCain to Haley Barbour; the Democrats, true to form, have countered by calling Davis a Klansman. Just scan the numbers at Rasmussen to see what he’s up against: On only three of those ten key issues are Republicans even within single digits. McCain individually fared much better against Clinton and Obama in the last Rasmussen poll last month, but scroll through the new ABC/WaPo poll and you’ll come across this:

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I sympathize with the boss’s disgust at the GOP parroting Obama’s “change” nonsense, but look again at that graph and tell me: What other message can they offer? “We’ll suck less this time”? “One more chance, please?” For god’s sake, we’re running against Jesus. Exit question: There’s only one solution, isn’t there? Embrace it.


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Guess that immigration ploy didn’t work too well for ol’ Maverick, did it? The Messiah’s got him beat there by %5!

Badger in KC on May 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM

I can understand why people don’t trust Republicans on some of these issues, they have been horrible. I do not understand why anyone would trust a democrat on any issue.

bopbottle on May 13, 2008 at 1:47 PM

With the GOP parroting the Democrats on a list of increasing issues (no thanks to McCain), this isn’t so surprising to see. And just think, there’s many more months for the GOP to parrot even more Democrat issues! Yay!

GOP is to conservative as knife is to back. (I know that doesn’t work, but upon the first run through it makes its point.)

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Gee, and it was us conservatives who said the way to run was not to be Democratic Lite, but Hard Core Conservative. Oh well, in 2012, perhaps we can have a Conservative run for President.

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM

I get more bitter every time I see polls like this. Where’s my Bible and gun, dammit!

Cicero43 on May 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Ethics
Obama, “Tony” Rezko

Immigration
Obama, amnesty in the 1st 100 days in office.

Iraq
Obama, surrender let al-Qaida and Iran take over

Economy
Obama, Raise Taxes, Copitol Gains and All other taxes

Health Care
Obama, Socialize medicine

Gas prices
Obama go after evil gas companies.(even though numerous congressional investigations have found nothing)

Terrorism
Obama, I will talk to all the terrorists states without preconditions.

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Apples and oranges:

The findings are based on telephone interviews with a random national sample of 1,122 adults from May 8 to 11.

Rasmussen surveys likely voters. So the news is bad for the GOP 6 months out, but not so bad for McCain.

Karl on May 13, 2008 at 1:51 PM

By the way, are we so bad in creating leading issues that the Dems will even have a greater disturbance at their convention than us?

Perhaps we Republicans should sit out this time. We just can’t win at anything except, perhaps, losing!

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Capital* gains tax even

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Let’s see, the Dems control Congress and it’s the Republicans that are at fault. Most of this is due to the fact that Bush is a politically lazy son-of-a-gun who can’t be bothered to either articulate policy or fight the Dems. I can’t say I’m sorry I voted for him twice since it might have been President Gore or Kerry, but he’s a self-serving loser in my book.

Laddy on May 13, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Obama leading on ethics??

awake on May 13, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Has anyone else considered this comparison between Bill Clinton and George Bush?

I believe both entered as President with a majority of their party in the House and in the Senate. Both left with a minority of their party. When Bill left the WH went to the Republicans. Are we going to see Bush finish in a similar fashion?

In oversimplified terms, IMO, Bill was too liberal and loose for the country. Bush, on the other hand, has not rallied people to the conservative values we share and has instead spent his energy and political capital on issues in which we disagree.

INC on May 13, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Most of this is due to the fact that Bush is a politically lazy son-of-a-gun who can’t be bothered to either articulate policy or fight the Dems.

Laddy on May 13, 2008 at 1:55 PM

I was writing my comment while yours was being posted and I just saw it. That’s the point I’m making as well.

INC on May 13, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Perhaps we Republicans should sit out this time. We just can’t win at anything except, perhaps, losing!

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 1:52 PM

sit out and let Liberal Obama and a Liberal Democrat controlled House and Senate RAM liberal legislation and Liberal federal and superme Court judges down our throat unchecked with no Checks & Balances?

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM

This may or may not be accurate but, as usual, these polls are mathematical garbage. The GOP must improve its image but no one should get too excited about media polls that are designed to influence not inform.

rplat on May 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Embrace it.

What?! and skip denial, anger, negotiation, and all the other phases of reconciliation? How are we ever going to get bitter if we do THAT?

I get more bitter every time I see polls like this. Where’s my Bible and gun, dammit!

Cicero43 on May 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM

My collie says:

There. Now that’s more like it.

CyberCipher on May 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM

I say we write in your collie!!!

INC on May 13, 2008 at 1:58 PM

As of April 22nd election, the DNC had already spent over a million dollars in Childer’s campaign!

Google Childer’s name, no biography. But here’s an interesting note of his campaign from CNN:

“Senator Obama hasn’t endorsed my candidacy,” Childers said after the ad began to air. “I have not been in contact with his campaign nor has he been in contact with mine.”

The NRCC later said those comments “not only [said] a lot about himself, but also about the toxicity an Obama candidacy can bring to Democratic campaigns down-ballot.”

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 1:58 PM

yeah, had Bush been able to communicate to the American People the issues it would be a different ballgame

that said, trying to get a message through our idiot WH Press corps is no small feat

jp on May 13, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM

I agree we can’t let Obama get in, but I’m not sure how much checking the president will be able to do. Dems will most likely have a veto-proof majority and they’ll pass anything they want.

As for dealing with national security threats (and to an extent judges), that’s something different.

amerpundit on May 13, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Over supply of morons.

Anyone know when the last time was that a liberal drive by poll predicted anything correctly?

tarpon on May 13, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Ethics
Obama, “Tony” Rezko

Immigration
Obama, amnesty in the 1st 100 days in office.

Perhaps you don’t know who wrote the amnesty bill. It was John McCain. Ethics? I’m not aware of any, but I bet the Libs can gin up a McCain scandal, or bring up the old ones he was touched by.

Iraq
Obama, surrender let al-Qaida and Iran take over

Sorry, I’m still convinced that St, John will do so too, in the interest of bi partisanship.

Economy
Obama, Raise Taxes, Copitol Gains and All other taxes

Yeah, and McCain will do that too, only he’ll do it in the name of Global Warming. Picture Al Gore, without the personality though.

Health Care
Obama, Socialize medicine

Yeah, McCain wants Socialized Medicine, but under a free market socialized medicine. Since that won’t work, just drop the free market crud.

Gas prices
Obama go after evil gas companies.(even though numerous congressional investigations have found nothing)

OK, McCain won’t go after the oil sitting in the ground under our nation. Instead he’s going to push the Global Warming tax that will double the price of gasoline.

Terrorism
Obama, I will talk to all the terrorists states without preconditions.

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM

OK, you got me there. I’m sure that McCain will have some preconditions. The Podium is not allowed to be too high, the cameramen have to shoot him from below so he looks like a god standing there. The lighting should be softly muted in order to give him a healthy glow.

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Someone needs to tell AARP what the Obama capital gains tax will do to their retirees.

eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM

A Hillary write-in?

Sweet.

LimeyGeek on May 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM

conservatives relinquish leadership to the press and democrats. the important battle is not to improve the economy, or reduce gas prices. the true battle is who decides the issues.

jonkendallburke on May 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM

jp on May 13, 2008 at 2:00 PM,

Bush could have pulled a Reagan and spoken directly to the citizens.

He needed better speech writers who could give him more words than just the boiler plate they seemed to have come up with.

He could also have worked diligently to become a better speaker. Some are naturals and some have to work at it. You get better at delivery the more you speak and the more you have constructive evaluation of things that need improvement. I don’t think he gets the importance of becoming an effective communicator.

INC on May 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Thanks, W and the Republican leadership, for utterly wrecking the party that Reagan bequeathed you in less than 20 years.

cool breeze on May 13, 2008 at 2:05 PM

McCain/Cackles 2008.

infidel on May 13, 2008 at 2:05 PM

if Dems win landslides this year, how will our enemies view it? If they are in position to attack again, will they do so quickly?

I think there is a chance the public could quickly turn against Dems once they have all that power.

jp on May 13, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Good…. I’m sick of Republicans.

Maxx on May 13, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Sorry, I’m still convinced that St, John will do so too, in the interest of bi partisanship.

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM

McCain won’t back down on Iraq. This is his last chance for the presidency, the war is unpopular, and yet he’s stayed steadfast in supporting it. If he’s going to drop support, it wouldn’t be when he’s already president.

OK, you got me there. I’m sure that McCain will have some preconditions. The Podium is not allowed to be too high, the cameramen have to shoot him from below so he looks like a god standing there. The lighting should be softly muted in order to give him a healthy glow.

We’re talking about the McCain that sings, “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran”, right?

amerpundit on May 13, 2008 at 2:06 PM

If issue split polls meant squat, McCain wouldn’t be the candidate, as he was elected in Florida where most people thought Economy was most important, while he ADMITTEDLY has no clue in economics - and he was running against Romney who is an expert.

When polled, people don’t actually sit back and take a minute to think about economic policy of the candidate, they just answer impulsively. The general “feeling” out there is any Republican is bad on internal issues and good against Terrorism.

Aristotle on May 13, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Got a crush on Obama? >:D

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Why is Obama out polling him?

FREEdom.

Free gas. Free health care. Free to cross the border. Free redistribution of wealth. Free from Iraq. You know, all those freedoms we have in the Constitution.

Limerick on May 13, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I agree we can’t let Obama get in, but I’m not sure how much checking the president will be able to do. Dems will most likely have a veto-proof majority and they’ll pass anything they want.

As for dealing with national security threats (and to an extent judges), that’s something different.

amerpundit on May 13, 2008 at 2:01 PM

That is why the House and Senate seats that are coming up we need to win.

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Ethics? Ethics. Ethics! That’s rich.

Gas Prices? Yep, they’ll stay high as a kite with BO.

kirkill on May 13, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I was talking to someone who is an Obama supporter, and asked what is the #1 thing about America that he wanted changed. He said the economy. I asked how is Obama going to change the economy for the better. And he had no freaking idea, BUT HE STILL IS GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA.

People are too stupid these days.

WisCon on May 13, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Why is Obama out polling him?

FREEdom.

Free gas. Free health care. Free to cross the border. Free redistribution of wealth. Free from Iraq. You know, all those freedoms we have in the Constitution.

Limerick on May 13, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Dems usually out poll the Republican this far out in the process, its usually by a larger margin however

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:11 PM

METHODOLOGY - This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone May 8-11, 2008, among a random national sample of 1,122 adults, including an oversample of African Americans (weighted to their correct share of the national population), for a total of 206 black respondents. The results from the full survey have a 3-point error margin; among the 620 leaned Democrats it’s 4 points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, PA.

So this graph is a random national sample not limited to likely voters or even registered voters and the majority of them leaned Democrat? This is a good example of why I don’t pay any attention to these kind of polls.

Texas Gal on May 13, 2008 at 2:12 PM

I was talking to someone who is an Obama supporter, and asked what is the #1 thing about America that he wanted changed. He said the economy. I asked how is Obama going to change the economy for the better. And he had no freaking idea, BUT HE STILL IS GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA.

People are too stupid these days.

WisCon on May 13, 2008 at 2:11 PM

From “on Wisconsin”? I’m not too surprised.

kirkill on May 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Thank God Bush beat McCain in 2000. I mean, it’s been so great for the “Conservative Movement” and all.

funky chicken on May 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Boonville, N/E Mississippi
Member of East Booneville Baptist Church,
a realtor who owns a retirement nursing home.

He tore down someone’s church and that raised a ruckous.
Now he, a proud Baptist, calls his opponent a Klansman.
Hey, Evangelicals, this is what American’s find so unattractive about Baptists, their readiness to curse their opponent with absolutely no justification other than, “I did it because I could”.

Well, it would take a Democrat to know who’s in the Klan “takes one to know one”. This man who demolishes someone’s church in a crooked land deal would misappropriate names just to cast the eye of judgement away from himself onto an opponent.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Perhaps we Republicans should sit out this time. We just can’t win at anything except, perhaps, losing!
Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 1:52 PM

sit out and let Liberal Obama and a Liberal Democrat controlled House and Senate RAM liberal legislation and Liberal federal and superme Court judges down our throat unchecked with no Checks & Balances?
Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM

That’s what they want - that’s what they are going to get if they get their way.

How many true conservatives are left who don’t want to see Obama sworn into office? … Anyone?

wise_man on May 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM

With the GOP parroting the Democrats on a list of increasing issues (no thanks to McCain), this isn’t so surprising to see. And just think, there’s many more months for the GOP to parrot even more Democrat issues! ***
Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM

In line with your comment, I hope the GOP remembers Rush’s maxim that “you can’t out-Democrat a Democrat.” Democrats always top Republicans on social issues like health care and social security, and depending on the year, beat Republicans on the economy. Republicans generally lead on foreign policy, war, and taxes. Remember that in 2004, Kerry beat Bush on every single domestic policy issue but lost the election because the public thought Iraq was the most important issue and on that issue, the public trusted Bush over Kerry.

By the way, given that the press carps daily about how awful our economy is and how the Iraq war is the biggest disaster on the planet, isn’t it GOOD that McCain clobbers Obama on terrorism and is tied with Obama on Iraq? And I can’t imagine that McCain will lose to Obama on ethics. Say what you want, but for a guy with 20 years in Congress the Senate, McCain is pretty squeaky clean on ethics and earmarks and such.

Outlander on May 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Thank God Bush beat McCain in 2000. I mean, it’s been so great for the “Conservative Movement” and all.
funky chicken on May 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Maybe we all should have voted for Al Gore in 2000.

(Actually - this all began when Reagan picked Poppy Bush as his VP. If Reagan only picked someone else …. *sigh* Oh well. Too bad there are no do-overs.)

wise_man on May 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Chakra,

I am not convinced, based primarily on McCain’s record and reputation of being a “maverick”, that he, as president, would nominate a constitutionalist to the Supreme Court. I have my reservations. Perhaps he would, but based on his behavior, not his rhetoric, I am just not convinced. (On a related note, his recent speech on global warming reenforces my uncertainty, not relaxes it.)

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Ethics? Ethics. Ethics! That’s rich.

Gas Prices? Yep, they’ll stay high as a kite with BO.

kirkill on May 13, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I think that bill that the Senate is trying to push through with the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is stupid and will keep gas prices high.. it’s currently at 98% just fill it all the way up then, let the extra into the market..

The Senators want to stop filling it and wait until Oil(or gas at the pump comes down to 2.75 a gal, then start filling the SPR again).. what would happen is that as soon as that happens Oil would go back up.. Supply and demand..

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Did anyone notice that the poll was by ABC/Washington Post? I’m guessing that the poll was conducted in Boston.

orlandocajun on May 13, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Got a crush on Obama? >:D

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Nope, I just really distrust and dislike McCain. I’m serious, you couldn’t get me to vote for the Maverick. If Obama is the Democratic Candidate, and he promised to put all white people in chains for two hundred years if elected, I still wouldn’t vote for McCain. If McCain’s opponent was literally Satan, I wouldn’t vote for McCain.

I have no respect for him as a politician, and I won’t vote for him in any circumstances. The thing that makes me sick is listening to all the people suddenly act like he’s Reagan reincarnated. McCain and Reagan have nothing in common, except they both have R’s after their name. I honestly hope that John McCain loses this November, I hope it’s a huge blowout, Clinton by forty nine states. I honestly hope that the Maverick loses his home state.

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Chakra,

I am not convinced, based primarily on McCain’s record and reputation of being a “maverick”, that he, as president, would nominate a constitutionalist to the Supreme Court. I have my reservations. Perhaps he would, but based on his behavior, not his rhetoric, I am just not convinced. (On a related note, his recent speech on global warming reenforces my uncertainty, not relaxes it.)

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM

What judge did McCain vote against that give you pause?
He voted for Bork..

“On judicial appointments, McCain supports judges who “would strictly interpret the Constitution”, and over the years has supported the confirmations of Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, and Samuel Alito.”

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:21 PM

There’s still a chance that Clinton will go Tanya Harding on him.

- The Cat

MirCat on May 13, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Yes, he voted for Bork, He voted for Thomas, Roberts, and Alito. When McCain was asked who he would appoint, he said strict Constitutionalists, but not like Alito who wore his conservativism on his sleeve, and not like Roberts, who was too openly religious.

So we’re looking at what, Harriet Myers?

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM

You really need to listen to St. Ronald Reagan’s words again..

My 80% Friend is not my 100% Enemy.

And also…

When the chips are down and the decisions are made as to who the candidates will be, then the 11th commandment prevails and everybody goes to work, and that is: Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican.
–Ronald Reagan

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM

If Obama is the Democratic Candidate, and he promised to put all white people in chains for two hundred years if elected, I still wouldn’t vote for McCain. If McCain’s opponent was literally Satan, I wouldn’t vote for McCain.

LOL. This reminds me of:

“the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush”

Just change the name Bush for McCain.

wise_man on May 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Is there a predictive value in this poll? I don’t mean to be sarcastic, rather genuinely curious. It seems to me an individual who cares about issues can’t get “tired of Iraq”. One can change their opinion, even multiple times but so long as you think Iraq is about your security, you will not stop caring.

All this leads me to believe stuff like Rev. Wright or Would I Eat a Tortilla with This Candidate will become much more important when the election day comes.

freevillage on May 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Yes, he voted for Bork, He voted for Thomas, Roberts, and Alito. When McCain was asked who he would appoint, he said strict Constitutionalists, but not like Alito who wore his conservativism on his sleeve, and not like Roberts, who was too openly religious.

So we’re looking at what, Harriet Myers?

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Who would Obama nominate? Ruth Bader Ginsburg!

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Republicans abandoned the principles that Ronald Reagan laid out during his two terms in office, and now all they can do is whine how they are losing ground to the Democrats?

How about someone picking up the dropped torch and running with it?

pilamaye on May 13, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Outlander on May 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Kerry, ideologically, was far less synchronized with the american public than president Bush. Newt Gingrich’s organization did a number of surveys regarding non-partisan issues. Overwhelmingly, when the candidates were compared to the results of the surveys, president Bush was in line far more than Kerry. You may find the data in Newt’s new book, “Real Change”. It is some interesting stuff.

The point is, Kerry lead on those issues because they were included in polls and surveys conducted by the MSM. MSM wish Democrats to win elections, so they prop them up.

As to the difference in strengths and weaknesses between the political parties, this is certainly a fault of Republicans. There is no need for GOP to rely strictly on foreign policy and defense as a means for getting elected. They have chosen to limit themselves and focus only on those issues which they benefit. It is lazy to do this. Republicans need to stop being so specialized and expand beyond their issues comfort zone . If the Republicans decided to actually lead, instead of letting the Democrats both define the issue and walk all over them, the Republicans would be in a much stronger position now.

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 2:29 PM

That’s an awesome suggestion that I am all for, pilamaye.

The next step is for that person to win the Republican Primary so I can vote for them in the general election.

wise_man on May 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM

funky chicken on May 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I supported McCain then.
But when GW got the nomination,
I gave our POTUS my support.
I have always supported our troops,
never fudging to benefit either the DNC
spatula or the bloviated blimp.

During Bush’s presidency, I have become more wary.
If the best we can have is McCain,
I’ll give him hell along with my support.
And so now, before we vote, the only moment he may listen,
I make sure that McCain’s camp hears me.

McCain is an aquired taste that easily spoils.
He will need every vote that he can muster.
And voters who wait until the last minute to decide
will go with the MSM flow against McCain.

So IF McCain is smart enough to be a good president,
he will NOT persist in destroying conservatives who make his only hope.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:31 PM

For god’s sake, we’re running against Jesus.

Correction: Pantsless Jesus. With rose petals in the, um, groin area.

Gilda on May 13, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I admire your moxie in supporting McCain (or the nominee whoever that is at the time), but how does the ‘thou shalt not speak ill’ line allow the party to grow? If McCain came out and said he would support Harry Reid as a SCOTUS nom are we just supposed to not squak about it? Many, obviously, have reservations about McCain and his platforms. How the hell are those individuals supposed to get their voice heard? Wait to be called on? The STHU talk just makes the squaking louder. I’m not a cheerleader, I’m a partisan. The chances of me voting for McCain are about 75% but that could change, up or down, depending on where he stands.

Limerick on May 13, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Snake 307 @ 2:24

but not like Alito who wore his conservativism on his sleeve, and not like Roberts, who was too openly religious.

Mr. Forked Tongue,
You put your own words into McCain’s mouth for your own purposes to exaggerate and exploit. Context and exact verbage exhonerate McCain from your slant.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Just change the name Bush for McCain.

wise_man on May 13, 2008 at 2:26 PM

That is the official DNC line.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Charka,

I just looked it up, McCain also voted in Ginsburg and Breyer.

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Thank God Bush beat McCain in 2000. I mean, it’s been so great for the “Conservative Movement” and all.
funky chicken on May 13, 2008 at 2:13 PM

We thought we were avoiding in 2000 what you are trying your hardest to foist on us now- liberal policies from the top of the Republican party. The war against RINOs is a long one in our party.

Having said that, the McCainite trolls on this blog have tempered their support for McCapandTrade in the last couple of days. We won’t forget when you stood with McCain against the Constitution of the United States.

Valiant on May 13, 2008 at 2:41 PM

After November, we’ll be down another 25-40 seats in the House, and probably another 6 in the Senate. The latter is the truly worrisome part, as it means we’ll have trouble mounting a filibuster. (You always get a few defections.) So we won’t even be able to obstruct Obama’s way.

paul006 on May 13, 2008 at 2:41 PM

I admire your moxie in supporting McCain (or the nominee whoever that is at the time), but how does the ‘thou shalt not speak ill’ line allow the party to grow? If McCain came out and said he would support Harry Reid as a SCOTUS nom are we just supposed to not squak about it? Many, obviously, have reservations about McCain and his platforms. How the hell are those individuals supposed to get their voice heard? Wait to be called on? The STHU talk just makes the squaking louder. I’m not a cheerleader, I’m a partisan. The chances of me voting for McCain are about 75% but that could change, up or down, depending on where he stands.

Limerick on May 13, 2008 at 2:35 PM

First of All, McCain would never do that..

Second, McCain was NOT my first choice, Rudy Giuliani was as I felt that he was the man that would actually fix all the issues that we are here talking about(And yes even immigration..)

The ‘thou shalt not speak ill’ line in in reference to the “campaign season”.. once said Republican is in Office, kick his/her arse fight for your positions, and do so with ferocity.(that is what we are supposed to do)

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Look at ALL of the Republicans who voted for those Democrat nominees. No one had any idea how far the Democrats would go as the days passed into years and they LEFT.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Charka,

I just looked it up, McCain also voted in Ginsburg and Breyer.

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Ginsburg The U.S. Senate confirmed her by a 96 to 3 vote

Breyer by an 80-10 vote

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Speaking ill–rumors and lies.

Demanding his position prior to election is what campaigning provides.

Once in office, there is deference for the office at least.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:47 PM

First of All, McCain would never do that.

What else would McCain never do?

Valiant on May 13, 2008 at 2:49 PM

My point is, basing McCain’s credentials partially on who he’s voted for in the past is weak.

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Who are they polling? The results on some of those issues seem a little suspect, especially health care and immigration.

jeanie on May 13, 2008 at 2:49 PM

First of All, McCain would never do that.

What else would McCain never do?

Valiant on May 13, 2008 at 2:49 PM

be a sissy like Obama?

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:50 PM

First of All, McCain would never do that..

As it is understood, never say never,
especially on someone else’s behalf.

One would hope.
One would expect.
One would be surprised.
One would be disappointed.

McCain would benefit with more overt GOP alliances. I would certainly like to know WHO’S WHO in the coming McCain camp.

Acting as though he’d prefer being on the DEM to the GOP ticket won’t win McCain any POTUS election.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM

We are headed for the greatest conservative disaster in the history of the Republic. Illegal immigration will be the standard, higher taxes on the individual and on corporations, the defense of our country will be raped, and the government will keep us healthy. I just can’t wait to see what happens! What is really incomprehensible is what kind of country will my grandchildren live in?

ultracon on May 13, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM

I said this almost a year ago here, and I’ll repeat it:

Michael Reagan repealed the 11th commandment last year [now two years ago] with these prophetic words [remember what happened in the 2006 elections?]:

May 26, 2006:

If this keeps up, a lot of Republicans are going to be job hunting after November. [He was speaking in 2006 and it happened!!!] They are going to discover that it is not wise to go against the base that put them in office, and is up in arms over the flawed Senate immigration reform bill.

My Dad, Ronald Reagan, proclaimed the 11th Commandment—thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican. He couldn’t have foreseen what a minority of arrogant Republicans would someday do to his party. So, as his oldest son and conservative political heir, I feel entitled to now repeal the 11th Commandment.

INC on May 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Speaking ill–rumors and lies.

Demanding his position prior to election is what campaigning provides.

Once in office, there is deference for the office at least.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:47 PM

there comes a time when “dissent” and “campaigning” actually hurts your cause in the long run..

Look at what we did to over turn and change McCain’s mind about immigration reform BEFORE the campaign even started..(This was actually done while Bush was in office.. )

So we have power, even while an election is not going on.

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM

My point is, basing McCain’s credentials partially on who he’s voted for in the past is weak.

Weebork on May 13, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Go figure. Your point is invalidated by the record.
You would not disavow the record if it doesn’t read to your liking.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM

So we have power, even while an election is not going on.

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Recall that our power rested in our united voice to VOTE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OUT OF OFFICE should they refuse us.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:57 PM

INC on May 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Ummm.. I like Michael a lot, bit I will listen to the Father on this one.

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:58 PM

There’s only one solution, isn’t there? Embrace it.

Yes! Clinton’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

Nichevo on May 13, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Recall that our power rested in our united voice to VOTE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OUT OF OFFICE should they refuse us.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Not just that, all the calls and the letters.

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 3:00 PM

BTW, McCain has not changed his mind on immigration. Whatever it was he meant when he said, “I get it!” has slipped through his fingers as he grasps fervently for the Hispanic vote. Nothing stays the same in the currents of politics.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 3:00 PM

in our united voice = all the calls and the letters

We agree to agree on that.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 3:01 PM

INC on May 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Interesting to note that repeal of the 11th.

Until the RINO is a GOP, we’re doing our best.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 3:04 PM

That is why the House and Senate seats that are coming up we need to win.

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 2:10 PM

And how do you suggest we do this?

We have Jorge Bush to thank for this unbelievable mess. One which we will probably never recover from.

stenwin77 on May 13, 2008 at 3:05 PM

And if you do not like my Immigration reform example as to our power about holding someones feet to the fire, you can also look to Bush’s withdraw of Harriet Miers..

And several other issues like DPW..

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 3:05 PM

BTW, McCain has not changed his mind on immigration. Whatever it was he meant when he said, “I get it!” has slipped through his fingers as he grasps fervently for the Hispanic vote. Nothing stays the same in the currents of politics.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I believe he has(he has changed to security and enforcement first, along with bio-metric ID’s, that is the best that we can reasonably ask hope for in 4 years) nobody can wave a magic wand and fix everything in 4 years..(However a Obama or Clinton will do Amnesty in the first 100 days thats a fact)

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Oh well, in 2012, perhaps we can have a Conservative run for President.

Snake307 on May 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM

By that time we’ll have 15-20 million new voting citizens all from south of the border. There will be only little pockets of conservatives from here on out.

Why is Obama out polling him?

FREEdom.

Free gas. Free health care. Free to cross the border. Free redistribution of wealth. Free from Iraq. You know, all those freedoms we have in the Constitution.

Limerick on May 13, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Exactly. Bread and circuses !!!

BowHuntingTexas on May 13, 2008 at 3:12 PM

McCain changed his mind on immigration? He must not remember as this is what he said in Charlotte recently.

Valiant on May 13, 2008 at 3:12 PM

ABC NEWS/Washington Post Poll

We’ve been through these polls so many times. The only point to look at any now is simply to see what the MSM wants you to think this time based on their own special clique.

I do not wish to conform against my responsible will. I know better than to expect something for nothing. Hell, it’s hard enough to earn something for everything with the liberals running the show. Even if it seemed everyone wanted a Big-O nanny state, I would not choose to support what is wrong and I am not alone!

Shopping for a platform is pathetic. If McCain is actually wasting his time trying to manipulate polls that are bent against him regardless of which direction he shoots, his is a lost cause. If, however, McCain is studiously learning how to accomplish the GOP platform and gathering his coalition of allied American political forces for his presidency, then bring them on stage and quit this piece meal dichotomy trying to grasp mercury.

maverick muse on May 13, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Valiant on May 13, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Yes, and “comprehensive” means security first..
some form of Amnesty will happen be from McCain or Obama(However with McCain at least we will have border security first and bio-metric ID’s and hopefully new more secure VISA’s)

Chakra Hammer on May 13, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Naqba.

Disaster? Indeed.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 13, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Actually, I think this article stands as a pretty good example of what National Review has become in the past year — scatterbrained, incoherent, amateurish.

Not to say they don’t have pockets of credibility but for God’s sake — a few weeks ago David Frum was reviewing “Silas Marner” on his blog at NRO. I mean, I love George Eliot but, really.

BigD on May 13, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Dear GOP: I hate the robo calls. I hate robo calls of all varieties, and I don’t think I’m alone. Cut it out!

Yeah, I think the brand is, as Gringrich said, pretty well screwed. Not without reason either. Time to reinvent ourselves, flush the leadership, and start over.

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 13, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Actually, I think this article stands as a pretty good example of what National Review the GOP has become in the past year 4 years — scatterbrained, incoherent, amateurish.
BigD on May 13, 2008 at 3:32 PM

The devil made me change it.

Nichevo on May 13, 2008 at 3:38 PM

It’s going to be a real rough, Carteresque, next two years.

jukin on May 13, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Gas prices? I thought oil was the enemy. I thought it was warming the Earth and drowning the polar bears. Shouldn’t the progressives want to raise oil prices further? Only when the price gets high enough will we all buy electric golf carts for our commutes.

Nosferightu on May 13, 2008 at 3:41 PM

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