Report: Huckabee tops McCain’s VP shortlist?
posted at 2:15 pm on May 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Just this morning, Bob Novak quoted Christian bigwig Michael Farris as saying, “I understand he is not under consideration.” Said Huck himself just two short months ago, “We have been given every signal that is not going to be considered.” And yet:
Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas and defeated contender for the GOP presidential nomination, is currently at the top of John McCain’s short list for a running mate. At least that’s the word from a top McCain fundraiser and longtime Republican moneyman who has spoken to McCain’s inner circle. The fundraiser is less than thrilled with the idea of Huckabee as the vice presidential nominee, and many economic conservatives—turned off by the populist tone of Huckabee’s campaign and his tax record as governor—are likely to share that marked lack of enthusiasm…
Let me add that a top Republican political strategist told me about a month ago that he also believed Huckabee to be the leading veep contender.
What’s changed in two months? For starters, remember that “Anyone but Mitt” campaign by Paul Weyrich and a bunch of other evangelical leaders? McCain can’t help but be jittery at seeing the Christian base taking a keen interest in his VP pick, especially with stories about their remorse for not having backed Huck in the primary circulating. Another thought: Romney’s always been touted as the logical pick for VP because of his fundraising prowess, to help close the money gap with Obama, but revisit this post from early March about Huckabee’s media savvy. By one estimate, the free coverage he received from the likes of Scarborough, Colbert, and the rest of the talk show circuit was worth $125 million in paid ads, more than Mitt could ever raise (especially with McCain accepting public financing). Having not one but two media darlings on the GOP ticket might convince the press to go merely hip-deep into the tank for Obama instead of face-first, like they’re planning. Finally, now that Barry O’s the nominee, McCain has both a worry and an opportunity that he wouldn’t have had opposite Hillary: Turnout among black voters in the south is sure to be huge this year, which, coupled with a weak turnout among southern evangelicals, could be lethal by putting red states in play. Adding a prominent Christian to the ticket solves that problem and frees McCain up to focus on the battlegrounds instead of fighting a rearguard action to preserve his base. Adding Huckabee specifically to the ticket, with his blue-collar populist rhetoric, holds an extra advantage in giving him a shot at Hillary’s base of working-class Democrats in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
All of which is to say, while Hot Air readers might not like this idea, I can understand why Team Maverick might. Exit question: Who else will be joining me now in writing in Hillary this year?
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That’s two Huckabee supporters in this thread who have cast doubt on the faith of others, based on political opinions.
Claaasy.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM
CPAC stands for out of touch elitists. Ever since Ann Coulter supported liberal leaning Romney and called Mike a “stupid Christian”, she scares me, and I used to be a big fan (purchased her book Godless and liked it).
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I noticed that too. I guess when you don’t have the facts on your side you have to settle for whatever argument you can muster.
My response was “Jesus Christ” because I’m not looking for my elected officials to double up as my spiritual leadership - a concept Jesus opposed as well.
Laura on May 12, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Exactly right Slublog. The christian right is neither.
This Satan Olaf guy is the most offensive troll on this website.
BAN HIM!!!
(now watch, he is going to quote the bible and make himself out as a christ figure. what an a$$hole)
Roger Waters on May 12, 2008 at 8:53 PM
You seem to be desperately clinging to that quote by Ed. I respect Ed, but I do my own thinking. I suggest you do the same.
Huckabee is an extremely poor choice and a completely duplicitous politician. He’ll tell you what he thinks you want to hear, and you’re just the type to lap it up and believe it and repeatedly quote him. But you totally ignore evidence to the contrary out of the Huckster’s own mouth.
He cannot be trusted.
techno_barbarian on May 12, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I am not going to vote for someone because they are a Christian. I am going to vote for someone because they can actually lead our nation out of its current situation, into a better one.
John McCain already seems clueless about our economy, and the fact that he is light on securing our borders spoke volumes to me.
Huckabee wants to enact some sort of affirmative action for kids of illegal immigrants may “be dandy,” but what about the kids of American citizens for crying out loud?
Grrrrr!!!!!!!!!!
Darnell Clayton on May 12, 2008 at 8:55 PM
slubog,
since when did telling the truth(or casting doubt on the “faith” of others” as you say) become wrong?
I’ll tell you when…on the day you became brainwashed by liberalism’s central tenet: there is no absolute truth.
There is absolute truth!
One of the things that the truth does is it exposes lies.
It is God’s nature to expose the truth.
Jesus is the TRUTH!
Not only is He the Truth but Jesus says “I AM TRUTH”!
We are sanctified and regenerated by speaking truth.
Your PC garbage is simply that…garbage.
SaintOlaf on May 12, 2008 at 8:56 PM
You are one of the biggest phonies here. When you identify yourself as an Evangelical, you give the rest of them a bad name. You don’t believe the Bible is the literal Word of God. You doubt Noah’s flood. You doubt the literal 6 day creation in Genesis. You attack Christians. Listen to you here, “I would leave the party if it become the one Huck and political evangelicals would like it to be.” You are such a scammer.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 8:57 PM
I wouldn’t go that far, since I’m both Christian and conservative. I’m simply amazed that someone like Huckabee can inspire such loyalty.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 9:00 PM
She is a phony, Al-Ozarka. A con artist. She falls into the category of alot of the other people here claiming to be Christians, they generally ignoring as much Scripture as possible to make sure they don’t have to change the way they live.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:00 PM
SaintOlaf, only God can know the hearts of others. Not you.
So I suggest you stop trying, okay?
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Unfortunately, now and for the foreseeable future, declaring oneself as being religious is a necessary condition to winning national office (and for most lower offices as well). This has led to many phony declarations of deep commitment to one sect or another in order to get elected.
However, not even all religious cults are treated equally as has been seen with the treatment reserved for Mitt Romney. In my opinion the cult founded by that real huckster Joseph Smith is a ridiculous religious scam and its teachings really do require a willing suspension of disbelief to be accepted. In spite of this I found Romney to be an honest man of measurable accomplishments who did not try to proselytize for his cult while running for public office. His religious views were nevertheless used against him and sometimes in the most overt and shameful manner.
On the other hand Rev. Huckabee ran wearing his religion on his sleeve and, given that his fundamentalist views also require waiving natural law and logic in some instances I found his supporters disingenuous when attacking Romney.
To sum it up I think that Mitt Romney understands the principle of the separation of Church and State and I could support a McCain-Romney ticket, but never a McCain-Huckster one.
Annar on May 12, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Ah yes. This crap again. God himself is going split the heavens and make this happen. Heard it before from you. Lunacy in the extreme.
Let. It. Go.
God’s much smarter than that.
techno_barbarian on May 12, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Esthier: Isn’t it fun to be labeled and judged by apacalyps? Now you can join the club - which is legion.
Bambi on May 12, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Freddie Dalton Thompson.
F.D.T.
Write it in. Write it in. Write it in.
At least you’ll be able to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning. And Fred will call you, just like he says he will. With McCain, it’s wham, bam, thank you sir.
VolMagic on May 12, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Jesus said
The spiritual man judges all things.
Jesus commands us to
If you are a Christian like you claim…speak the truth, stand up for the truth and expose the lies.
remember.. the adversary is the father of lies and we are given power over the enemy in the name of Christ Jesus
SaintOlaf on May 12, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Countdown to a biblical quotation by apacalylps where a demon cast out by Jesus calls himself Legion. 5..4..3..2..1
phronesis on May 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Come on apacalyps, you know you want to.
phronesis on May 12, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I love how abortion is the deciding issue that makes one a “true conservative”. I have to love you one issue voters who think Huck is a “true conservative” because he BELIEVES. Symbolism over substance, he is a believer, so lets call him a conservative, and anyone who says otherwise isn’t a “true Christian” or a “true conservative” lol.
Folks, the President has very little power when it comes to the abortion issue. Your focus on this issue should be with Congress, not with Judges or the President who might appoint the right Judges.
Really when it comes to President it is better to vote for someone who is fiscally responsible, loves freedom, understands capitalism, and understands his primary role is to protect us from the world…not from ourselves, and the second role is to protect us from a tyrannical Congress and Judges( likewise Congress should protect us from tyrannical Judges and a tyrannical President going crazy with executive orders ). Abortion is a nice issue to hang your hat on, but really honestly, how much do you think the President can really do? He is not the King.
Conservative Voice on May 12, 2008 at 9:17 PM
Excellent choice.
sulla on May 12, 2008 at 9:17 PM
“…like you claim…”
Cute.
That passage speaks of judging by the right standards. The Pharisees looked at Jesus’ miracles and saw the work of demons. Their judgment was quite obviously misguided.
In the same way, you are using questionable standards to judge people on this blog. Don’t judge according to appearances.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Calling all holier than thou Huckabee supporters, explain to me how such a fine Christian can associate himself with Ed Rollins.
End justifies the means, redemption of a sinner, my brother is the devil? Huck had to have known about this guy. What happened to Huck’s high road?
Huckabee is all things to all people, and nothing before God.
eaglesdontflock on May 12, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Great to have you back brother. You are TOTALLY RIGHT! September 11, 2001 was the most horrific day in the history of the United States of America to date, and it was an opportunity for America to wake up from it’s slumber. It did for a while, right after 911 people started calling upon the Lord again, but now they don’t want Him again, and are doing everything to keep Him out of their lives.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Bwhahaahaha! You compare yourself to Slublog?! That’s friggin’ hilarious.
Ya know, I do believe you are certifiable at this point. I thought for a while it was a gag. But I’m going to leave you alone and feel sorry for you now.
Make sure you wear your helmet so you don’t bump your head as you board the little short bus.
techno_barbarian on May 12, 2008 at 9:24 PM
God’s fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah because of their extremely sinful practices (see Genesis 18–19) should act as a warning for America:
“Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven… Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes… making them an ensample (example) unto those that after should live ungodly.” Genesis 19:24, 2 Peter 2:6
The wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah with their filthy conversation and rampant sodomy brought divine destruction upon them. Exiting question: How is today’s America any different than Sodom and Gomorrah?
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:26 PM
LOLcats.
I CAN HAS IMMUNATIZD ESCATON?
sulla on May 12, 2008 at 9:30 PM
This is a cop-out. Lame. Lame. Lame. This is NO excuse for supporting an abortionist — someone who allows little babies to be killed.
Huckabee is a life-long committed pro-life conservative.
Disgusting.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Using the Lord’s name in vain are you?
“You Shall Not Take The Name Of God In Vain.” Exodus 20:7
Did you say you were a Christian?
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:36 PM
And there it is. Another Huckabee supporter and supposed evangelical christian suggests America is evil and deserves to be destroyed. You and olaf should be ashamed of yourselves. You see America in the same manner as the islamists and the radical left. Why don’t you peddle your dark age barbarism elsewhere?
phronesis on May 12, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Allow me to help. This is what you asked: ” and if you object give me an example.”
She was answering your question.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 9:38 PM
You’re a bunch of phonies. It’s about time someone called you out.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM
phronesis on May 12, 2008 at 9:36 PM
You don’t really expect serious answers from those clowns do you?
As Voltaire once said: “Écrasons l’infâme !”
Annar on May 12, 2008 at 9:52 PM
You have no clue what you’re even saying. It’s astounding this garbage. The Bible says in Deuteronomy 6:6-7,
“And these words, which I (God) command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.”
That is a reminder to keep God involved in everything we do and to pass His values on from generation to generation.
How do you respond?
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:53 PM
You’re not qualified to make that judgment.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Bravo, RushBaby!! Well done! Your story is not unlike my own. I didn’t get to go to college. I’m self-taught and have financed my own businesses from the ground up myself. I’m about to start another one very shortly, but I’m a bit concerned about the impending doom the dems may bring.
Did you see that WSJ breakdown of the big O’s tax plans?! Yikes. They are going to punish the productive and reward the unproductive. How the f*ck is that fair? You kill the incentive to build the American Dream and watch how fast the money runs out. Fools.
techno_barbarian on May 12, 2008 at 9:58 PM
I don’t even think Mike should take the VP job. I’m not against it, but I think doing so might cause him to give up some of his moral conviction on certain issues. You could say McCain as Prez might corrupt Huckabee to a certain extent. On the flip-side of it, Huck as VP could make McCain a better President as you would have someone there to encourage him to stick to conservative policies.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:59 PM
There are alot of scammers here posing as Christian. They ignore large parts of the Scripture and still claim to be a Christian.
Scammers.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Pharisee.
sulla on May 12, 2008 at 10:03 PM
I think Allahpundit’s reasons cited for why McCain should consider Huckabee are precisely the reasons he should not select him. In recent times, balancing a ticket seems only to hurt the presidential candidate by focusing the public on the problems with the presidential candidate.
Really, McCain should pick another “Mavericky” candidate to really drive home what in an otherwise Democrat year are McCain’s particular strength. Now if only Hagel weren’t so wrong on the war, he’d be the type. As much as he’s identified as part of the ultra right, Gingrich is Mavricky enough to reinforce McCain’s strenghts. Gingrich has shown the capacity for taking bold action, perhaps form a bit more conservative angle. True, Gingrich has strongly disagreed with McCain on things like campaign finance reform, but his bipartison efforts on the environment and health care would bolster McCain’s purported bipartisan credentials.
BryanS on May 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM
I’ll write in Mitt Romney if that happens!
Greenhorn on May 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM
McCain lost me today with that new “globaloney” ad of his. I don’t care who he picks for VP now…
Seaberry on May 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM
You are WRONG Slublog. Saint Olaf is absolutely correct. One of the things that the truth does is it exposes lies. God’s nature exposes the truth. I love that. It is so true! Of course we cannot say who is saved and going to heaven. Only God can make that judgment. But, God has commanded us to “judge righteous judgement.”
“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” John 7:24
We should be able to recognize false teachers and “from such turn away.” Matthew 7:15-20
(ie, like phony Christian’s).
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:08 PM
That’s exactly right! You should keep God in your heart, and teach your children from generation to generation.
The only way you are going to change hearts and minds is not to force it by a huckamonster, but to teach not only by example but by love. Not by judging or calling people names, or telling them they are not this or that.
Bambi on May 12, 2008 at 10:08 PM
I think it is time for a little photo shop magic, don’t ya think???
Seven Percent Solution on May 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I was responding to apacolyps way back.
Bambi on May 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Read that passage again.
“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” John 7:24
How well do you know people on this site? Do you really believe that the words people type on this site gives you a complete picture of who they are? Do you think you can judge someone’s spirit based on screen pixels?
I submit that’s hardly judging with righteous judgment, and your use of that scripture in this instance is inappropriate.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I’m sick and tired of these “so-called” believer’s painting solid southern Christians Republicans like Huckabee as evil. Shame.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:13 PM
No. Shame on you, apacalyps, for thinking you can judge based on such shallow evidence. You don’t even know our names, much less our spiritual states and yet you toss around unsupported allegations and claim your insults are somehow divinely inspired.
Unbelievable.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 10:16 PM
You know I wonder if the columnists get paid by the responses? I think that is why allapundit brings up the huckelberry all the time because he knows it will bring out all the responses.
Bambi on May 12, 2008 at 10:17 PM
No doubt, the LAST thing that either of you guys want/need is my endorsement. The other participants at HotAir already think that I am a loon — because of my talking collie. (Welcome to my world.)
Nevertheless, I must say that I always read your posts and give them serious consideration. While I appreciate your posts, I don’t really need the resident HotAir prophets of doom to convince me to repent (although other particpants here may). I, for one, have already made my peace with God. In fact, I don’t even need the books of Daniel/Revelation in order to “sit-up and take notice.” All I need is the words of Jesus Himself contained in the Gospels. His Words SHOULD be making the secular people everywhere “more jittery than a feral feline trapped in the city dog pound”.
As I see it, the birth pangs (that Jesus spoke of) which serve as the early warning signs of The End are disturbingly all-too-apparent. The series of natural disasters that we have all witnessed in the past 40 months are ominous indeed. The 2004 Tsunami was the “wake-up” call for me. The events that unfolded are just too eerily close to the description of the end times found in the book of Luke. Since then, the frequency of natural disasters seems to have intensified (or is it my imagination?). The 2005 hurricanes Katrina and Rita that followed the 4 Florida hurricanes of 2004, the massive earthquake in Pakistan, the cyclone in Myanmar, and now the earthquake in China (what did I miss?).
All I can say is that anyone that simply dismisses the warning signs as coincidence, isn’t doing themselves any favors. I’m an OLD guy. I witnessed the 50s and 60s. I don’t recall any other time in my life in which natural disasters have unfolded with THIS frequency of occurance.
Or was I just oblivious when I was younger. Anyone got relevent statistics?
CyberCipher on May 12, 2008 at 10:17 PM
“For he (Jesus) had commanded the unclean spirit (demon) to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness. And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, LEGION: because many devils were entered into him.” Luke 8:28-30
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:21 PM
And yea, did not Timone say to Pumbaa: Hakuna Matata. (Lion King)
(breaks into song)
it means ‘no worries’
for the rest of your days!
It’s our problem free-philosophy!
Hakuna Matata!
Lighten up Francis. Folks are having a nice discussion about the vice president, and you’re wielding bible quotes with the attempt to bludgeon. And this always happens whenever Huckabee’s name comes up…yet another reason he would suck as a Veep choice.
Seriously, quoting the bible is like being a blackbelt in Deja Fu or Okidoki (h/t Terry Pratchett); you don’t want to start going all Jet Li, or should I say Jerry Falwell on people just because someone nudges you in the quickiemart. Did you learn the bible in order to better yourself, or just to bash people over the head with it? Right now, you sound like the latter.
austinnelly on May 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM
The increasing severity of destructive storms here in the midwest.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 10:23 PM
BTW…just visited your website. No collie picture?
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 10:24 PM
You phony believers have wrapped yourselves in the cloth of morality for years, and now you find serious Christians like Mike Huckabee distastful to the point of calling them evil?
Your hypocrisy is astounding.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Be patient. I’m learning. I’m not even sure I’ll keep that blog up. I just wanted to see if I could create one. It’s being hosted on the Vista machine in my den.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on May 12, 2008 at 10:27 PM
I don’t think Huckabee is evil. I don’t think his supporters are evil.
A RINO fraud supported by morons who back him only because of his self-proclaimed “Christian Leader” status instead of his actual politics? Definitely.
I’m sick and tired of the Holy Roller Huckster contingent painting the Huckster as a conservative while painting solid Christian conservatives who want nothing to do with the liberal fraud Huckabee as somehow less Christian than they.
Newsflash: Christian or otherwise, most of us are a bit more concerned with a candidate’s political record than how outspoken he is about his religious beliefs. Hence the reason the Huckster lost.
Hollowpoint on May 12, 2008 at 10:28 PM
And yours is downright … biblical.
The more you assert, the less you persuade.
sulla on May 12, 2008 at 10:28 PM
What, no iPhone lust?
sulla on May 12, 2008 at 10:30 PM
It’s about time true Christians stand up against you false converts who have make derogatory comments about Mike Huckabee and other real born again Evangelicals. You will be exposed for what you really are. Fraudulent!
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:32 PM
No…………. I just don’t like his “solution” to illegal immigration.
Seven Percent Solution on May 12, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Then why don’t you join those flocking to Obama?
Seven Percent Solution on May 12, 2008 at 10:35 PM
YOU ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN THE ETERNAL FIRES OF HELL FOR NOT SUPPORTING HUCKABEE!!!11!!1!
Hollowpoint on May 12, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Criticizing a politician makes one a “false convert” in your estimation?
Someone’s being exposed here, and it’s not who you think.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 10:36 PM
In related news, TexasDan FTW!
We’re getting close to at least one goal.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 10:38 PM
I don’t doubt your sincerity, but your judgment is suspect.
Cast the beams from your own eyes before you presume to judge others.
sulla on May 12, 2008 at 10:39 PM
You counterfeit Christian’s post you will vote for pro gay lifestyle candidate Hillary before you vote for Mike Huckabee, you downplay the dangers of a promiscous lifestyle, particularly gay promiscuity, that spreads disease. If I’m not mistaken homosexual sex was the most common way HIV was transmitted in the U.S. and still is. Mike is against same sex marriages.
In 1992 Huckabee said, “that homosexuality was an “aberrant, unnatural and sinful lifestyle” that posed “a dangerous public health risk.” Huckabee is waiting for Moses to okay gays. He said in a 2006 speech, “Until Moses comes down with two stone tablets from Brokeback Mountain saying he’s changed the rules, let’s keep it like it is,” he said.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Good thing my Lord and Saviour liked a little wine……. this “Two Buch Chuck” really makes threads like this really enjoyable……… now where is my frankincense?
Relax, apacalyps, Jesus did like to have a good laugh……
Seven Percent Solution on May 12, 2008 at 10:45 PM
You are a very foolish man.
“God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” Psalm 7:11
Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I asked her which “Christian leader” would she use today as an example? I am not referring to the good Lord Jesus. She didn’t answer anything. Mormons believe in Jesus, but the Jesus Christians are talking about and the jesus they are talking about are completely two different people.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Which “Christian leader” (ie, Pastor, etc) do you listen to and accept today?
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Gee, that was unexpected…
not.
Bigot.
sulla on May 12, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Nice attempt at changing your original question. Laughable.
I’m done here. Have a good night, all.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Michelle is posting about the same rumor.
Bambi on May 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM
You hypocrites attack one of your own.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Fixed that for ya’. No need to thank me. Just bein’ neighborly.
My collie says:
Careful everyone. That remark is like a “lock and load” with my Calvinist collie
CyberCipher on May 12, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Oh the sweet, sweet irony.
Hollowpoint on May 12, 2008 at 11:00 PM
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:15-20
In otherwords, we should b).pto judge that which is wrong, in either doctrine or practice, and avoid (or correct) those who are involved, but we must not condemn them - God must do that.
Why do you ignore Scripture??
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 11:02 PM
This was scrambled in my above post:
In otherwords, we should be able to judge that which is wrong, in either doctrine or practice, and avoid (or correct) those who are involved, but we must not condemn them - God must do that.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 11:02 PM
One more…I can’t resist.
I’m not ignoring scripture. I’m ignoring your gross misreading and misapplication of it.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Are you a Christian sulla?
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 11:04 PM
not ignoring Scripture.
Ignoring Spike Jones playing Handel’s MESSIAH with a bike horn and a whoopee cushion.
You may sorta know the words, but you’re flunking the spiritual Turing test.
sulla on May 12, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I still think, in the end, he picks Joe Loserman.
eplain on May 12, 2008 at 11:06 PM
McCain is trying real hard to loose my vote.
xplodeit on May 12, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Solid conservative Duncan Hunter endorsed Mike Huckabee.
“I got to know Governor Huckabee well on the campaign trail,” Hunter said in a statement. “Of the remaining candidates I feel that he is strongly committed to strengthening national defense, constructing the border fence and meeting the challenge of China’s emergence as a military superpower that is taking large portions of America’s industrial base.”
Okay. Go ahead. Bash Duncan. Pssst. He’s a Christian. That might make it more delightful for you.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 11:15 PM
As I quoted before:
The president of the Southern Baptist Convention blamed the decline (of baptisms)in part on a perception that its followers are “mean-spirited, hurtful and angry.”
No one has commented on it, but NO DUH!
Bambi on May 12, 2008 at 11:15 PM
I had reluctantly prepared to vote for McCain in November. I agreed with his positions on the war on terror and judicial nominations even though I am appalled with his stance on illegal immigration and global warming. However, if he does take the Huckster as his VP then I will probably write in someone else (probably Fred). Now, as to our resident ‘hell and brimstone’ writer on this site, your constant comments as to how evil and bad our great country is makes me sick. This is the greatest country on the planet and I am very proud that I had the honor to serve in the U.S. Army and that my son is currently serving. When you make the ‘evil U.S.’ comments you sound just like the Code Pink wackos. And for what it’s worth, I am a son of the south and do not believe in the Bible literally, i.e., seven days of creation, Noah’s ark, etc.. I grew up with people who felt they had to shove their religion in your face and that if you did not accept it you would go to hell. However, this is what makes this country so great is that you have the right to say what you do, just as anyone else.
dawgyear on May 12, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Okay, Slublog. Let’s settle this right now, right here. According to you, how does a Christian judge a false prophet or a phony religious leader/person?
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Maybe this will help.
Connie on May 12, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Geez, I hope not. John is already making it hard to vote for him. One more climate change al gore moment and I’ll have to drink twice as much before I pull the lever for him.
moxie_neanderthal on May 12, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Keep sounding the last days alarm clock CyberCipher.
“But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.” Ezekiel 33:6
May the Lord give you His wisdom in all things.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 11:35 PM
More than words on a screen.
The word used throughout the New Testament is fruit.
Slublog on May 12, 2008 at 11:36 PM
My pastor. Period. Although I do take the thoughts of men like John Piper, JI Packer, CJ Mahaney and others under advisement as well, on my pastor’s recommendation. There is no politician, particularly Huckabee whose policies ultimately glorify government and not God, that I follow, much less worship the way you seem to do. You’re trying to build the wrong kingdom, apacalyps.
Laura on May 12, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Oh, the hypocrisy. Nope- not judging at all, are you?
But thanks for making Christians look hyper-judgemental, spiteful and intolerant of other views. I’m sure that’s what Jesus would’ve wanted. You are giving a horrible example of how a Christian should act.
Hollowpoint on May 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM
There is a big difference austin. If you don’t like Huckabee. No problem. That is your right. The people who offer reasonable and even sharp criticism of Huckabee and can debate respectfully and civilly, I have no problem with. My specific beef is with these counterfeit (make a copy of with the intent to deceive) believers who repeatedly use the phrase “Christian” and “Evangelical” in order to launch a gutter campaign against Huckabee. Gutter politics is a person who makes deceitful pretenses to perpuate lies and distortions about an opponent. Just as a “tree is known by its fruit”, TRUE CHRISTIANS should be able to recognize false teachers and “reprove (refute) them.” Ephesians 5:11
They’re getting called out.
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Personally I quit going to church because it was filled to the brim with overbearing idiots like yourself.
I took it literally when I heard, “None come to the Father but by Me”. So why would I want a middle man or woman between me and my Lord?
You presume too much. I ask for wisdom the eyes of my understanding to be opened. And I recieve that for which I ask.
You Huckster zealots sound more like that disgrace rev phelps than the tender Christians you’re claiming to be.
If being what you are is what it means to be Christian. I’ll pass and go with what’s worked for me.
God is cringing at some of the crap you’re spouting in this thread.
techno_barbarian on May 12, 2008 at 11:59 PM
PS. OH!, catchy song.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 12:01 AM
John McCain is an abortionist? Wow….and I thought it was only the left who called military pilots baby killers. Good to know.
funky chicken on May 13, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Your restraint on this thread has been more than admirable.
techno_barbarian on May 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Well… well.. something to piss off all you Northern athiest conservatives. haha
faraway on May 13, 2008 at 12:02 AM
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