Report: Huckabee tops McCain’s VP shortlist?
posted at 2:15 pm on May 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Just this morning, Bob Novak quoted Christian bigwig Michael Farris as saying, “I understand he is not under consideration.” Said Huck himself just two short months ago, “We have been given every signal that is not going to be considered.” And yet:
Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas and defeated contender for the GOP presidential nomination, is currently at the top of John McCain’s short list for a running mate. At least that’s the word from a top McCain fundraiser and longtime Republican moneyman who has spoken to McCain’s inner circle. The fundraiser is less than thrilled with the idea of Huckabee as the vice presidential nominee, and many economic conservatives—turned off by the populist tone of Huckabee’s campaign and his tax record as governor—are likely to share that marked lack of enthusiasm…
Let me add that a top Republican political strategist told me about a month ago that he also believed Huckabee to be the leading veep contender.
What’s changed in two months? For starters, remember that “Anyone but Mitt” campaign by Paul Weyrich and a bunch of other evangelical leaders? McCain can’t help but be jittery at seeing the Christian base taking a keen interest in his VP pick, especially with stories about their remorse for not having backed Huck in the primary circulating. Another thought: Romney’s always been touted as the logical pick for VP because of his fundraising prowess, to help close the money gap with Obama, but revisit this post from early March about Huckabee’s media savvy. By one estimate, the free coverage he received from the likes of Scarborough, Colbert, and the rest of the talk show circuit was worth $125 million in paid ads, more than Mitt could ever raise (especially with McCain accepting public financing). Having not one but two media darlings on the GOP ticket might convince the press to go merely hip-deep into the tank for Obama instead of face-first, like they’re planning. Finally, now that Barry O’s the nominee, McCain has both a worry and an opportunity that he wouldn’t have had opposite Hillary: Turnout among black voters in the south is sure to be huge this year, which, coupled with a weak turnout among southern evangelicals, could be lethal by putting red states in play. Adding a prominent Christian to the ticket solves that problem and frees McCain up to focus on the battlegrounds instead of fighting a rearguard action to preserve his base. Adding Huckabee specifically to the ticket, with his blue-collar populist rhetoric, holds an extra advantage in giving him a shot at Hillary’s base of working-class Democrats in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
All of which is to say, while Hot Air readers might not like this idea, I can understand why Team Maverick might. Exit question: Who else will be joining me now in writing in Hillary this year?
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Laura, I’m surprised that you can’t disagree agreeably. Florida’s demographics disqualify it from being a Southern state in the traditional sense.
No Irish need apply was what my ancestors experienced. No debunking needed.
Catholic hatred is alive and well in the South. I have experienced it. I worked with it. In the news industry. I am very sane. I’ll try not to return the compliment. over and out.
eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 4:04 PM
The question Huckabee asked was not appropriate for a political discussion, and later Mike Huckabee looked Mitt Romney in the eye and gave him a sincere apology.
Funny, but I’ve had that thought process applied to me by Mormons.
You do not have to fear people who believe:
You do not have to fear people who believe:
Now, I don’t consider you an enemy, but I do consider your constant use of “Huckabite” as a very mild form of persecution. Yet, my Lord taught me to love you and pray for you, not kill you. Your fear is misplaced.
No, I do not agree. The Constitution of the United States is the paramount consideration.
You don’t know much about the Biblical principles that are the very bedrock of our Constitution.
The first amendment prevents a theocracy.
Having a Christian President does not create a theocracy. Do you think President Harry S. Truman created a theocracy?
President Huckabee will tolerate all belief systems (and the lack thereof). Just like all of our Christian Presidents have.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 4:18 PM
That’s news to me.
Esthier on May 13, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Is it possible that the news industry is more to blame than Southerners?
Esthier on May 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM
You still haven’t answered my question: will you so called “conservatives” switch parties now that the republican party has of necessity become the populist party, who is today sponsoring many “soak the rich” pieces of legislature in order to gain the poor white vote in the rust bowl?
SaintOlaf on May 13, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Red Pill: So-called “Christians:” drove my people from three separate states at gunpoint, incited the United States Army to go against my people after we’d been driven out of the country, took away all our civil rights, including the right to not be forced to testify against our spouse and our right to vote, and drove thousands into hiding just for their beliefs.
And you want to bring that back. Our first leader of our church died from a mob that was being led by a Christian preacher; our third leader died in hiding while being hunted by the US government for his beliefs, at the instigation of Christians. Heck, the republican party itself was founded on two principles: anti-Mormonism and anti-slavery. How do I know Huck doesn’t want to bring back that first plank?
The other Christian presidents (at least, the ones since Teddy Roosevelt–the ones before him actively persecuted us) didn’t really run as a “Christian leader so vote for me please” bit like Huckabee is doing.
YOU may not want to kill me, but many others of Huckabee’s followers wouldn’t mind one bit. Like I said, I’ve run into several here at HotAir.
Now, let me get this straight: we are Christians, despite not being allowed by others that status. We revere the Bible, and indeed we promote a government based on Biblical and Christian principles.
I don’t think Huck would govern based on Christian principles. He does not seem very Christian to me. That’s really the crux, isn’t it? I’ve charged all this stuff about Huckabites and Huckabee–in essence, I say many of them are not Christian, despite their claims to be one. They do not act Christlike towards other, and I don’t think Huckabee would either. If I could trust him to actually be a Christian, then that would be great.
But I don’t think he is a real Christian. And I’m not the only one–his issues with Hypocrisy and lying are a main source of concern for many, and no real Christian would act like he does.
So I’m not going to vote for a wolf in sheeps clothing. I don’t think Jimmy Swaggart was a Christian either, and Huck reminds me of him.
Vanceone on May 13, 2008 at 4:31 PM
I really wish that the self-centered idiots who think that one has to believe in some kind of Hovindish fairytale cultism would spend less time praying for the threatened souls of rational thinkers and try to renew contact with the real world.
Atheists and agnostics can be conservative or libertarian. But then some of the profound thinkers may think that Ayn Rand was a Democrat.
Annar on May 13, 2008 at 4:33 PM
If Huckabee is VP I’m voting Libertarian – at least they understand economics. Voting Hillary is suicide.
Poptech on May 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Apropos of nothing but…It took me a long time to warm up to McCain. Now I support him with reservations, but a McCain/Huckabee ticket will kill this election for me. Huckabee is a Republican version of Jimmy Carter. He is a complete loser with not much on his resume other than having learned how to control his addiction to food. Probably done thru gastric bypass but…Whatever…McCain would almost certainly be a one-termer, so his VP will be the standard bearer in 2012. Huckabee cannot carry Red States outside of the bible belt. He is a dead-end road for the Republican party…
Nozzle on May 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM
How is that any different from the Democrats? Why leave something you don’t like just to have more of the same.
Esthier on May 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM
No.
I was born and raised in the South. I’ve lived in Florida, the North, the East Coast, Midwest and the Bible Belt. Catholic hatred isn’t PC, but it’s there.
eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM
If you could document even one case I would take you seriously. I have lived, worked, and traveled in the south for most of my life (I’m nearly 40) and never seen the slightest hint of the Archie Bunkerism that you’re describing. And you didn’t just say this was at your work so we could attribute it to the intolerant, irreligious media; you said your children were attacked for attending Catholic school. These are serious charges.
As for disagreeing agreeably… I thought I was being polite, given your ridiculous premise. Just one case! That’s all I ask. There must be ONE documented case of Catholic discrimination in the last 40 years.
Laura on May 13, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Nozzle on May 13, 2008 at 4:40 PM
After putting his foot in a pile of steaming
s%*tglobal warming this week he may be on a path to losing even before choosing a VP.Annar on May 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Please provide the link. I can’t find such a comment on Hot Air.
If someone did indeed make a death threat against you on Hot Air, I fully support them being banned.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Einstein on god
Annar on May 13, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Laura, I and my children experienced it. If that’s not good enough, sorry. I’m sure if you dig around in Arkansas and Tennessee, you can find Catholics who have experienced the same. That’s not my job, to do your work. If you choose not to believe me, so be it. I choose not to give you names of others who have experienced the same crap. It’s not something people broadcast. We have to live here.
You are being disagreeable. Yes. You have all but called me a liar and labeled me insane. So is this your agreeable side?
eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Saying Christ is who he follows does not equal saying “Jesus is Lord”. I’d like to hear him actually say the words, “Jesus is Lord”, but of course he is under no obligation to do so.
There is a difference in who Evangelicals believe Jesus Christ is and who LDS/Mormons believe Jesus Christ is.
Someone who has lived both sides explains the difference here.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM
I don’t know. I’ve lived in the South my entire life, and I’m becoming convinced that everyone has some form of prejudice against some sort of group.
I’ve faced discrimination for my age, my hair color, by race and my gender, as well as for my politics, my religious beliefs and my morality, oddly enough, most of what I got on the last two came from classmates at a Christian school.
It just doesn’t seem to matter who you are or what you are associated with. Someone will hate you no matter what.
Maybe Southern states have a Catholic problem (by that I mean that they discriminate against them). I don’t know. I doubt it sincerely, but I’m not an authority.
Self-righteous atheists are no better than self-righteous Christians.
Something posted in the Hot Air Headlines is hardly news to Hot Air posters, and the quotes are completely meaningless.
Would you start to believe in God if Einstein had said the opposite? Surely your opinion on religion is based on something other than a celebrities endorsement.
Esthier on May 13, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Just calling it like I see it as politely as I can, but I can certainly see how you’d find that disagreeable. It’s your anecdotes vs. my anecdotes. Given the utter lack of documentation – and given how every other kind of discrimination, real and imagined, from antisemitism to racism to Islamophobia to homophobia etc is documented and easily accessible, but this one type isn’t, I just can’t buy it.
Laura on May 13, 2008 at 5:08 PM
No.
Annar on May 13, 2008 at 5:11 PM
My finale – don’t buy it. Just like I don’t buy that you can’t find it.
Your polite vs. my polite, your truth vs. my truth. Maybe you should have spent your whole life as a Catholic, vs. part of it.
eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM
I don’t doubt that Rollins, who is a political strategist, suggested using Anti-Mormon tactics. What you fail to recognize, though, is that while Huckabee may have initially followed this advice, Huckabee realized the error of doing so, apologized to Romney face-to-face, and pulled the anti-Romney ads that Rollins had created.
Of course, many here at Hot Air refused to believe that this could have been a conscience-driven decision, and must instead be a ploy to get free showings by the media. Hogwash. If Huckabee had not shown the video to the media, they would have claimed that it had never been produced. They would have questioned his credibility. He showed the video to the media only to prove that it had been created. He had prayerfully decided that morning to pull it.
Rollins, rather than resent Huckabee for this decision, admired him for it.
It’s Rollins who hates Mitt Romney, not Mike Huckabee. Huckabee made a great, even Presidential, decision when he chose not to follow Rollins’ advice to continue to attack Romney.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 5:17 PM
I believe there was. Huck was the spoiler for McCain, and the ONLY reason McCain came from a dead campaign at rock bottom to an inexplicable and media-hoaxed surge against Romney.
I’d say Huckabee is a very good choice for McCain’s VP. The two deserve each other. After all, what’s a s*it sandwich without a tall, warm glass of pi*s? Hm?
The Republicans have laid themselves a banquet…
Redhead Infidel on May 13, 2008 at 5:18 PM
I’m the only Protestant in my family, eagle, and I was Catholic my first twenty-five years.
Laura on May 13, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Good to know.
Esthier on May 13, 2008 at 5:24 PM
I am not here to “do battle”, but I am here to speak the truth. There have been, and continue to be, a lot of lies spoken about Mike Huckabee. I comment here because I don’t like lies going uncontested.
You are correct that I don’t need to do anything, it will happen.
It is not my goal to offend anyone. However, I can’t let other people’s being offended stop me from speaking the truth in love.
A lot of people find John 14:6 offensive, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the truth or that we should stop saying it.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Red Pill, had it been a one-time event, people might buy that, but after his speech in SLC way back in the day, followed by that convenient, “innocent” question to the New York Times magazine reporter about Jesus and the devil being brothers… no.
Laura on May 13, 2008 at 5:25 PM
you mean the ad that Huckabee showed to the press corps, while saying he wasn’t going to air it? (”I’m not going to talk about what a jerk so and so is, like when he did such and such, because I’m just too nice a guy for that…but in case you were wondering what I WOULD say, here it is…”)
The ad that did, in fact, run?
Huckabee is a two-faced cretin. When he made the “aside” about “don’t Mormons believe…” he didn’t just go privately to Romney to apologize – he continued to make it a story by talking publicly about what a great guy he was for talking with Romney privately. He likes to have it both ways – poor me, but poor NOBLE me…
I bought it for a while, but that ended a long time ago.
sulla on May 13, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Yet, you have no qualms about using Rollins’s favorable comparison of Huckabee to Reagan as proof of Huck’s conservatism. Did you just impeach your own witness?
a capella on May 13, 2008 at 5:32 PM
That’s a lie.
You qualify as a Huck hater.
Huckabee was named one of America’s 5 Best Governors for good reason.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Probably has something to do with not liking Governors of Arkansas that institute liberal nanny state policies.
joncoltonis on May 13, 2008 at 5:42 PM
728 comments and nobody’s been banned. Amazing!
Laura on May 13, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Support the Republican nominee in November, or by default support this.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Huckabee & McCain. Now there’s a ticket that ecretes enthusiasm.
Ernest on May 13, 2008 at 5:45 PM
You can’t see the fallacy of your argument? Huckabee knew from the beginning, as in “I’m Mike Huckabee and I approved this message”
The very first scurrilous preview was enough to disengage an honorable man.
eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 3:19 PM
You said you were told to share the prophecy. Were you also told to come here and battle what you’re referring to as lies [rather than the people telling them, which is the case here]? You are not speaking the Truth in love. You are speaking the Truth in pride. In your own power. That’s why no one’s receiving it.
Shay on May 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM
You failed to mention that the award was bestowed by the CPA.
eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Wow! This has to be some sort of record. Over 700 posts. I find religion to be the most cohesive force in the universe, also the most divisive.
Oldnuke on May 13, 2008 at 6:04 PM
apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 9:00 PM
You and al-Ozarki remind me of the dwarves at the end of C.S. Lewis’ “The Last Battle”, after Aslan led everyone out of Narnia.
Sitting in the dark corner of a barn and deriding and insulting everyone else…
Real nice.
linlithgow on May 13, 2008 at 6:40 PM
You’re right about that Oldnuke.
My heart aches for those who reject the Light of the world and our Saviour, Jesus Christ and persecute Mike Huckabee purely because he is a believer in Him..
I wish I could explain to them the peace and joy and love we experience in the presence of God!
Those of us who seek to stay in the presence of the Holy Spirit know what I am talking about.
Jesus said:
If you practice unrighteousness the Holy Spirit will flee from you.
Rejecting the Saviour is idolatry,a sin,and will lead to all other sins.
“The soul that sinneth,it shall die”
Consider this carefully in your spirit: repent,turn from sin and put all your trust in Jesus Christ…you will be born again and will be saved from eternal torment in Hell where you are now heading.
God bless,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC-yHnqttAU
SaintOlaf on May 13, 2008 at 7:02 PM
This discussion, as all discussions about the VP spot, has been turned into slop bucket. The real issue is who can best lead this nation of many parts and beliefs. The Huckabee supporters turned it into a referendum on Mormonism, at the suggestion of Mr. Rollins, who is great at hate.
Mitt Romney exhibited all of the key elements of the type of leader who could lead diversity within the framework of a Christian constitution. I have no fear of his Mormon faith getting in the way of his ability to govern fairly. He has proven his ability time and time again.
I’m still a Romney supporter, but not a bitter one. This isn’t about Romney supporters hating Huckabee. Huckabee and his campaign staff insured there would be plenty of hate by their campaign strategy.
It’s sad that a man of Romney’s caliber can be derailed by charlatans masquerading as Christians. Rollins. The game plan was to make faith an issue. How ugly for a man of faith, Huckabee. Unchristian. An ugly political strategy that has fractured the Republican Party. Funny, Huckabee looks like a good Democrat from here. Or an unrepentant sinner, Olaf. You may have hit on something…you guys just can’t cleanse yourselves of Rollins. Bedding with the devil.
eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 7:09 PM
Esthier on May 13, 2008 at 5:24 PM
I did not mean to be so abrupt in my response to your post but I was being called away. As for Einstein’s letter I’d like to see the entire text in German but in any case he was only affirming what was widely known but nevertheless sometimes disputed in some circles because of quotes like “God does not play dice.” In effect Einstein was a pantheist which meant that he believed in Spinoza’s god. This is just a fancy way to sum up all of nature using one word. Thus, for him there is no interventionist being who cares about what we say or do.
The goings on in this thread indicate that religion does not necessarily bring out the best in people. I obviously believe that all these cults are man made and tend to agree with Voltaire who said.
La religion existe depuis que le premier hypocrite a rencontré le premier imbécile !
Annar on May 13, 2008 at 7:21 PM
You think that you have everything figured out. I am very frightened for you (Revelation 20:15).
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM
You better read your Bible again Silver.
Jesus Himself turned over the tables of the money changers in the temple, and He called religious leaders ‘hypocrites’ and ‘vipers’ to their faces. In Matthew 23:29, Jesus said to them, “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres (graves), which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.”
Every situation is different. In this situation Jesus used strong words for strong circumstances. I hope that helps.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 7:55 PM
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM
You could call in your entire klavern chanting ridiculous incantations interspersed with random bible verses and replays of Hovind’s screwy lectures and hell still will not exist.
If you wish to believe that it does please continue doing so but you should really try to tone down your foolish rants because people are laughing.
Annar on May 13, 2008 at 8:04 PM
You know what’s perhaps most baffling about these pundits taking potshots at Gov. Huckabee? It’s that he has everything for which the anti-illegal immigration proponents have been calling for and yet they continue to attack him for adopting their plan. YOU complain you’d like leaders who listen — well, he listened! But, no, no… they don’t believe him. Nope. He’s lying. Unbelievable.
“You have to secure the border and until that’s done, nothing makes sense. That ought to be done. It ought to be done with American workers, with American products, and it ought to be done immediately. 18 months ought to be the outside length of time. It’s an issue of national security, more than it is anything else.” — Mike Huckabee
Good luck on getting your fence built now. You ruined it for all of us who wanted it. Smart. Real smart.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 8:04 PM
“What we’ve got to do is to have a secure border fence, something I have proposed that we do within 18 months of taking office.” — Mike Huckabee
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 8:06 PM
You’re really something.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 8:09 PM
All right, I’ve made up my mind. If McCain chooses Huck as his veep, I will go out and vote McCain.
fossten on May 13, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Dole – Kemp redux.
diogenes on May 13, 2008 at 8:20 PM
voltaire huh? Or Francois Marie(his real name).. didn’t he say “Syphilis is an indispensable part of the best of worlds, a necessary ingredient”
Real brilliant guy..you sure know how to pick your idols.
Again it just proves God right that sexual immorality is not only a sin against God but against your own body.
Maybe francois marie was so mad at God because he was named a womans name.
Hell certainly does exist…it looks like you will find out the hard way.
Let me guess…. you also think you can stand in front of a speeding truck and it won’t kill you because you don’t believe in trucks right?
Talk to any very experienced cardiologist they will tell you that the majority of people who die and come back tell them about experiencing the horrors of hell.
Yes many experience Heaven but the more common(and less publicized) experiences talk about a place unspeakably horrible.
SaintOlaf on May 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM
What he says:
What he DID:
Laura on May 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM
P.M. Magazine, February 24, 1982 – Three Men Who Went to Hell
Don’t know if you can find it, but I’ll bet it’s worth watching.
fossten on May 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM
If you want to criticize honestly I have no problem with that. That’s fine. But when you lie to make your point or slander someone in the process, now we have a problem. That’s when I’m going to speak up. For instance when you said:
“After his little Jesus/Satan “question” he exposed himself for exactly what he is – a typical politician who will do anything to gain power, including abuse the faith he supposedly holds so dear.”
I don’t think what you said is true. I think it’s a lie. For one thing, as a Christian I really appreciated the question. It’s very important for me to know these things, and I know other Christians who felt the very same way. It was just fine when people attacked Huckabee for his faith and ask him all sorts of questions during the campaign including attacking the Baptist view on marriage and distortng their view on it. But the second he asks even the most timid of questions about Romney’s Mormon faith, he gets mocked by you and people call him a bigot. And the fact you call yourself Christian and are silent about someone else who identifies themselves as Christian yet teaches the brother of your Lord and Savior is Satan, really blows my mind.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 9:11 PM
SaintOlaf on May 13, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Voltaire’s real name was François-Marie Arouet.
A remark that could only be made by an uneducated person. Go back to school and learn about the culture of Europe including naming conventions.
I have no problem accepting the existence of speeding trucks so I stay out of their way, but I’m more than willing to stand in front of your speeding god since I know it’s just a fairy tale.
Annar on May 13, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Oh, .. lol… is that what it’s called now? You lose your debate and now you’re being attacked? Congratulations. You get this evenings cry baby award: *animated baby crying*
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 9:20 PM
What are your views on homosexuality? Do you think it is right or wrong?
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM
As Ross Perot said of Bill Clinton’s economic record in Arkansas, “if you have a penny and you make another penny, you doubled your money…But, you still don’t have enough to buy a pack of gum.” The fact is that the top 100 Fortune companies, all of our armed services and most major US cities have budgets that exceed the size and complexity of that of Arkansas. Arkansas ranks 33rd in population and 50th in education. Huckabee was a big fat catfish in a small pond. He has no business, military, or what I would consider significant government experience. He is a zero in my book. A grown up boy who finally learned how to control a knife and fork…
Nozzle on May 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Esthier claims to love the Lord with all her “heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind.” Luke 10:27
Now that you’ve read that passage, read it again and think of Esthier’s instructions above. I think you’ll agree that there are some definite inconsistencies.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 9:32 PM
As far as I understand it, it’s a bit of a false notion that seems to plague our society. This so-called “constitutional separation of church and state.” No where in the US constitution is this mentioned, nor even the words “separation”, “church”, or “state”. That phrase was started by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a friend in which he explained that the church must be protected from the state (not the other way) in order to ensure freedom of religion. And this idea the state (and therefore public schools) must be free of Christian influence – what do people think this nation and its government, laws, and ethics were founded on?! Does the phrase “In God We Trust” sound familiar? You’d think that that phrase being on American currency would be against the “separation of church and state” and a blatent violation of the public’s right not to be exposed to anything pertaining to Christianity. What you have here are people who hate God, who have twisted Thomas Jefferson’s letter to say something it never meant, because “In God They don’t Trust”.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 9:44 PM
I like Ed Rollins.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Glad you spoke up.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Fortunately, I know too many good christians so I wont judge christians from the likes of certain a-holes like Huckster, Apacalyps, RedPill (who was banned here once and should be banned again) and Satan Olaf.
Most christians are good people. Dont judge christians from the words of these no-life d0uchbags.
Roger Waters on May 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Mike Huckabee on Immigration:
For those of you who haven’t seen Mike Huckabee’s speech at CPAC, you can watch it here.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Obvious troll is obvious.
fossten on May 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Huckabee is NOT a liberal and he is NOT a bigot and he is NOT Jimmy Carter and NOT a socialist. All rational discussion has broken down here because of this nonsense.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Fossten,
I agree, you are a troll.
There should be a new rule: Only 10 posts a day. I usually post like once a week or so. That way, some of you no-lifers who post 100 posts a day will be forced to occassionally leave the trailer park.
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
How bout it Allah? Lets limit these trolls to 5 or 6 a day. Better yet…BAN THEM!!!
They suck and even worse…they are boring.
thanks.
Roger Waters on May 13, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Seeing Jefferson respectfully mentioned perhaps the different sects posting here could agree on a common purely American source for New Testament biblical quotes, namely, the superstition free Jefferson Bible.
Annar on May 13, 2008 at 10:09 PM
O..k..a..y……….that says a lot about you.
eaglesdontflock on May 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM
You want to get back to issues? If the issues page was still up at MikeHuckabee.com, I would send you there. However, all links at MikeHuckabee.com now redirect to HuckPAC.com.
Here are the issues that Mike Huckabee and Huck PAC stand for:
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Interesting to see you asking for other people to be banned when you yourself are breaking the rules.
If you aren’t banned, perhaps you should limit your comments to the post about your namesake.
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 10:29 PM
That is a bold-faced lie. All Christian’s agree on the essential core (ie, Trinity, the deity of Christ, the bodily resurrection, salvation by grace through faith, etcerera) but these central doctrines should not be confused with peripheral issues, with which Christians may legitimately disagree. Sure I disagree with other Christian’s on some of the nonessentials, like interpreting certain end time prophecies, but that’s perfectly fine and even healthy, but we agree on the “Central doctrines” of the Christian faith. My problem is with the deceivers here posing as Christians. These are the ones who allow darkness (lies) to mix with the light (truth). They are frauds. And during heated debates, they expose themselves by making certain comments that a believer will not make.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Heh. You think he’s not yet 18 years old? Yeah, I thought that too.
fossten on May 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Hey Vanceone appreciate you taking on these guys. I can certainly vouch for the manner of their preaching at our weddings using bull horns and calling the brides whores, and at our conferences, pulling the BoM on a string on the ground and daring anyone to start a fight, with the aclu attorneys standing beside them. We Our wonderful Pres Hinckley asking us to walk on by and to not accost them or engage in a discussion.
This is the Christ like love that they talk about.
We all know what huck did and why he did it. You guys are deluded if you don’t understand what he did. To apologize after the fact – whooppeee! The damage is done – move on.
Thanks for all of you who are also considered devils because of your religion and especially the Jews who must feel completely marginalized. Good thing God does the judging and not man.
Bambi on May 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Wow. Very well said. Yes, it is always easier to stereotype someone or a group than it is to simply observe and see if they are of any value to the self. It seems to me that the world is frightened of Christians of any stripe because Christ is a threat to the world as it is. Hey, if people start accepting Christian folks as normal then there really is a fear that the stereotype could be wrong and the life style would change. horror of horrors.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Forsake your principles. Go ahead. Oh, I forgot, you don’t have any.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM
What is your position on gay marriage? Homosexuality? Just curious.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Yep.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 10:55 PM
If I’d had my druthers, of all the GOP candidates, I think maybe that I would have been happiest to see Duncan Hunter win the nomination. That didn’t happen.
But if Romney had won the nomination, I’d support him.
And if Thompson had won the nomination, I’d support him.
If Huckabee had won the nomination, I’d support him.
I’d support Tancredo as well. None of those things happened.
McCain won. I’ll support him. Grudgingly. With or without Huckabee.
But if you want my ENTHUSIASTIC support, start more political parties, and abandon this silly two-party system. After all, Ron Paul DESERVES his very own party. (Can all of us AT LEAST agree on that one?)
CyberCipher on May 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Agreed. The current Republican Party is too much like the Democrat Party to suit Ron Paul.
fossten on May 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Much of your hate for Huckabee is because he is a Christian. I have no doubt about it. I wouldn’t say in all cases, but in many cases it is. Certainly with many of you here, and especially in the media! Why? Because he posseses at the very least a threat to your status quo. You scoff at him because of your lifestyle, not because of his politics.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
“While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption.” 2 Peter 2:19
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Do these headlines sound familiar?
= Ten Commandments taken down
= “Under God” removed from the Pledge
= Prayer prohibited
= Nativity Scenes banned
= Salvation Army defunded
= Boy Scouts sued
= Christmas Carols stopped
= Bible called ‘hate speech’
We don’t want that at all.
The United States of America was heavily influenced by and founded on the principles of Christianity and the Bible. The Bible is the basis for American Law and Constitution. We would like to follow the Constitution, that’s all, not change it at every opportunity.
Hmm, have you ever considered you’re the threat and not us?
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 11:22 PM
That is warped, dude. Get a grip.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM
This lady, uh.. I mean women, calls herself a Christian?
Unbelievable.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM
I agree with fossten.
apacalyps on May 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM
America was founded as a Christian nation.
The Supreme Court of the United States said so itself in 1892.
Statements in multiple Supreme Court opinions from the founding of the this nation until the 1940’s confirmed that this nation was founded as a Christian nation and that our Constitution and its first ten amendments are based on the Bible.
Why do you never see Supreme Court Rulings that occured before 1947?
Red Pill on May 13, 2008 at 11:51 PM
I should have said so hours ago, but I, too, agree with fossten.
Red Pill on May 14, 2008 at 12:07 AM
This thread is boring, stale, and has turned into trollbait. Consider it closed.
Allahpundit on May 14, 2008 at 12:32 AM
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