New McCain ad: Let’s fight global warming, but in a good way

posted at 12:57 pm on May 12, 2008 by Allahpundit

As the boss and Larry Kudlow remind us, Maverick’s “third way” battle plan towards a greener planet sounds suspiciously like the Democrats’ own, which may be due to the fact that he’s never had a consistent comprehensive approach to environmentalism — a worrisome sign given that he’d be dealing as president with a deep blue Congress. How likely is it that he’d veto an emissions bill heavy on regulation and light on the sort of free-market solutions he claims to be such a fan of?

A more pressing question, per Karl and DrewM: Why on earth is he campaigning on this issue in the first place? His ad budget’s going to be tighter than Obama’s, needless to say, and this isn’t something voters care enough about vis-a-vis the economy and Iraq to warrant the expense. If anything, it’s going to lose him votes by alienating the base. Karl speculates that it’s his way of posturing as a Teddy Roosevelt for our time, an oddly self-indulgent thing to do given the lack of any obvious benefit to it, but I wonder if it isn’t just a cheap and easy means of distinguishing himself from Bush. Not that Dubya, who’s come to Jesus on climate change in the last few years himself, is much different in practical terms, but he’s considered sufficiently retrograde on this subject in the public imagination that McCain can use it as a point of contrast between them when the Dems’ “four more years” attacks start in earnest. He cares about the polar bears, man. He’s different. And at this point, as Bill Murray said in “Groundhog Day,” anything different is good.


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Why on earth is he campaigning on this issue in the first place?

He’s blown off conservatives/republicans and is pandering to the democrats to elect him.

Blake on May 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Why on earth is he campaigning on this issue in the first place? …If anything, it’s going to lose him votes by alienating the base.

John McCain’s base will demand that he campaigns on it.

RushBaby on May 12, 2008 at 1:04 PM

but I wonder if it isn’t just a cheap and easy means of distinguishing himself from Bush.

That was my second thought. He’s like Bush in many ways, so he’s trying to prove he’s different using even small issues.

amerpundit on May 12, 2008 at 1:08 PM

If anything, it’s going to lose him votes by alienating the base.

And what base would that be? If you mean the Conservatives, well, we’re not really his base, are we?

“We’re the RINOs now.” – Valiant

Tony737 on May 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM

This election cycle sucks.

BadgerHawk on May 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM

He’s blown off conservatives/republicans and is pandering to the democrats to elect him.

Blake on May 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Cue McCain sycophants here blaming you for destroying the country in 5..4..

McCain is Democrat Lite™.

Wouldn’t be surprising if he chose Lieberman as his running mate.

spmat on May 12, 2008 at 1:12 PM

Laura Ingraham this morning pointed out that Enviro-Greenie subsidies have doubled in the past 8 years. And the disparity going to wind and solar…even though they are so much less efficient. This was under Dubya, but yet the left wing still hates him all because of Iraq.

McCain sounds soo much more conservative on most issues lately, that he sure doesn’t seem to do what’s needed to woo conservatives consistently.

kirkill on May 12, 2008 at 1:16 PM

McCain has finally managed to alienate this right of center GOP voter. Never thought it would happen, but it has. Mac is really, really pushing it and doesn’t seem to have a clue.

jeanie on May 12, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Karl speculates that it’s his way of posturing as a Teddy Roosevelt for our time

It think it may well have been on Hotair itself, on another thread, where a commenter, by quoting some of Teddy Roosevelt’s words, ripped to shreds any comparison between Teddy Roosevelt and Juan McCain, the anti-Teddy Roosevelt.

MB4 on May 12, 2008 at 1:20 PM

I think McCain thinks, you can either win the presidential election OR you can call Gore’s man-made Global Warming theory a crock/hoax, but you can’t do both things. So McCain has chosen to work his way up to the steering wheel of this runaway bus called Global Warming, and steer the bus towards a more gradual path down the hill. And maybe pick up some energy independence and technical innovation on the way.

RBMN on May 12, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Point is, if you’re clever, you can subvert the Global Warming hysteria into something productive.

RBMN on May 12, 2008 at 1:25 PM

One of the people at American Spectator made the point — a good one, I thought — that McCain cannot just go around attaching the phrase “free market principles” to every liberal policy he wishes to espouse and be believable.

BigD on May 12, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Why on earth is he campaigning on this issue in the first place? His ad budget’s going to be tighter than Obama’s, needless to say, and this isn’t something … to warrant the expense. If anything, it’s going to lose him votes by alienating the base.

Judgement to lead?

Red Pill on May 12, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Pander to the flat-earthers and get votes.

Hening on May 12, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Able to guzzle more energy than dozens of normal men! Producing more hot air than a locomotive! Able to pile up carbon credits higher than a tall building in a single bound!!!

Look UP in the sky! It’s ChickenLittle! It’s FlyingSnakeOilSalesman! It’s the Sultan of Hanging Chads! It’s the Ayatollah of Heat! No, it’s CarbonMan in a private jet painted green! And now following in the tradition of other great men such as Jimmy Carter and Yasir Arafat, he is the proud recipient of a Nobel Prize!!!

CarbonMan, strange visitor from an alternate reality who came to Earth with claims and scary predictions far beyond those of mortal men, disguised as Fat Albert, and now joined by other members of the Royal Green League such as BioFuelHummerMan, EcoCleaningWoman, and his latest recruits, the molding geriatrics JuanGreenOldCoot and HolyGreenOldJoe, they all fight a never ending battle for science-fiction, hypocrisy, big-money-making-scams and the Hollywood way!

MB4 on May 12, 2008 at 1:33 PM

This ad is terrible.

He equates a hurricane with global warming.

He says Republicans deny climate change.

Is George Soros funding his campaign?

Maybe he has lost his bearings.

faraway on May 12, 2008 at 1:36 PM

McCain is Democrat Lite™.

spmat on May 12, 2008 at 1:12 PM

Not so sure about the “Lite™.”

Point is, if you’re clever, you can subvert the Global Warming hysteria into something productive.

RBMN on May 12, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Point is, he’s not.

Misha I on May 12, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Makes one just yearn for the days when it was called “pollution.” We could control (somewhat) our own pollution, but this globalization crap is just plain crazy. You can’t control a whole planet.

OT a bit, has anyone heard if the massive earthquake in China had anything to do with the huge dam? I saw a special on the “Three Gorges Dam” and the pressure it would put on the earth. One of the side-effects that scientists worried about was earthquakes.

moonsbreath on May 12, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Not that Dubya, who’s come to Jesus on climate change in the last few years himself… – Allahpundit

That’s not really true, Bush has only paid it lip service, he’s not the one that sat on love seat with Pelosi.

Maxx on May 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Uh – count me a GW skeptic – but why do you have to reach for tenuous explanations based on theoretical campaign strategies or feelings about the “base”? Have any of you considered the possibility that McCain is campaigning on the issue because he actually believes in it?

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Karl speculates that it’s his way of posturing as a Teddy Roosevelt for our time…

TR, it’s well known, is a hero to John McCain. And like Teddy, McCain simply wants to preserve our natural resources. Notice, McCain doesn’t say anything about man-made global warming, but simply climate change.

He’s against too much government regulation as well.

Read McCain’s website, folks…

JetBoy on May 12, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Al Gore has been designated the official “man in the moon” for his global warming positions. Now he’ll have to share that honor with John McCain. Too bad, Al.

Travis1 on May 12, 2008 at 1:47 PM

Here in Chicago, over the weekend, the high was about 48, the coolest Mother’s Day we ever had. We have yet to have one day that hits 80 degrees, and they are already saying we may have a cooler than normal summer this year.

So where the hell are these moonbats out there getting this global-warming notion from?!!!!

pilamaye on May 12, 2008 at 1:49 PM

McCain is just going for more votes, it’s that simple. He knows that his base is stuck with him, so he’s trying to pull a few more votes from the other side.

But of course he will stab us in the back by supporting the global warming fraud, there’s no doubt about that.

Maxx on May 12, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Further, like Giuliani, Schwarzenegger, and other centrist Republicans, McCain has bought into the “precautionary principle” (if it’s real and we do nothing, it’ll be too late), and the argument that, even if GW should be less of a concern than many (strongly) believe, the economic, environmental, political, and even strategic benefits of moving to alternative technologies – countering OPEC, serving a growing worldwide market, addressing more mundane carbon-related pollution, etc. – could still be very significant.

You don’t have to hate conservatives or love liberals to see some sense in that position.

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 1:52 PM

MAVERICK will save the planet! MAVERICK has a plan! MAVERICK can produce clean energy. . . with his mind! MAVERICK is a socialist, AGW true believer with an (R) behind his name!

MCPO Airdale on May 12, 2008 at 1:54 PM

He’s not making this any easier.

Asher on May 12, 2008 at 1:56 PM

There goes Inhofe for VP.

MT on May 12, 2008 at 2:00 PM

but I wonder if it isn’t just a cheap and easy means of distinguishing himself from Bush.

That’s the only explanation that makes sense to me.

Enrique on May 12, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Finally, if we can just sign Kyoto, and get some gas taxes and carbon taxes then the economy will do amazingly well.

** required disclaimer. I’m heavily vested in the Oil and Natural gas drillers markets, and depending on where/how the idiocy planned here comes through I’ll probably lose less than most people in the ensuing crash.

So by “amazingly well” I mean it’ll collapse, we’ll see Europe style (15-20%) unemployment, the market will crumble making the recent dot-com bubble look tame, and it’ll cascade and go to shit quickly.

But I should be able to preserve enough of my value to buy some really nice property and wait to turn them around after someone fixes this cluster****.

gekkobear on May 12, 2008 at 2:02 PM

I just saw that Bob Barr is running for president as a Libertarian. Is he a big enough name and a staunch enough conservative to either force McCain to the right (at least on some issues, like this one) or draw enough conservatives away from McCain to give the election to Obama?

shuzilla on May 12, 2008 at 2:04 PM

I told you that this bastard was a lying, party-destroying hack.
He’s just going to be the grease that allows Obama to get to the White House. And he’s too damn stupid and selfish to understand that is just what he is doing.
In later years, Republicans (at least the few that will be left) will curse McCain’s name. He is our Quisling.

TexasJew on May 12, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Unable to convince anyone with an IQ over 10 that they will have the slightest effect on the economy, jobs, gas prices, or making sure children learn to read, politicians now claim that (in exchange for a large amount of money and power) that they can control the sun, the stars, and the temperature of the earth.

So when are the media going to ask the tough questions to find out who is the “a little colder” candidate (the favorite of ski buffs), and who is the “a little warmer” candidate (preferred by old people, farmers, and most of the species on earth)?

Don’t we all need to know the exact temperature we are voting for? (I’ll take 85 +- 10 degrees F)

And most of all, we need to demand a demonstration of the temperature-controlling skills of each candidate via a public demonstration attended by citizens bearing thermometers.

landlines on May 12, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Are you kidding me? This kinda stuff comes from the wacky left.

“one extreme … denies the problem even exists.” — John McCain Global Warming TV AD – A Better Way.

As I said, it’s over. The conservative movement in America is over. When the Republican nominee for President of the United States identifies global warming doubters as “extremists”, and joins Al Gore and the others holding an almost religious belief that humans are the cause of global warming, it’s pretty much over. Say hello to the “new” Republican party. Eye-roller du jour: “We can combat climate change”.

apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Have any of you considered the possibility that McCain is campaigning on the issue because he actually believes in it?

Nah, can’t possibly be that. Makes the S**t Sandwich way too hard to swallow.

Mike H on May 12, 2008 at 2:07 PM

You don’t have to hate conservatives or love liberals to see some sense in that position.

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Yeah, you do.
It’s bullshit.
And I’m not a conservative so I can be forced to accept multi-trillion dollar bullshit scams from low-IQ political hacks.

TexasJew on May 12, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Why on earth is he campaigning on this issue in the first place?

Because he’s John McCain, and even when he’s wrong, he’s right.

Nichevo on May 12, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Before the McCainiacs start crying that their favorite candidate is somehow planning some grand strategy (not something that idiot is really quite capable of, IMHO), listen to what Larry Kudlow has said as he scanned the announcement:
“I don’t claim to understand everything about the cap-and-trade mechanism. But scanning the McCain announcement, I look at bullets like banking and borrowing permits; unlimited initial offsets; integrating with international markets; strategic carbon reserves; early allocation of permits; U.N. negotiations; climate-change adaptation plans; implementation at the local level; comprehensive plans for infrastructure ecosystems; resource planning . . . ”

Like that “UN” part? Does it make your Republican heart go pitter-patter? And how about “borrowing permits”? Will the crooked Chinese communists have borrowing permits?

And when our precious economy tanks from this one-sided capitulation, and with no viable Republican Party left, how will we pick up the pieces?

TexasJew on May 12, 2008 at 2:18 PM

The problem with the precautionary principle is that you can apply it to anything and everything. One might argue that alot of people are trying to do that, with everything from CFCs to trans fats, from sunshine to competitive games such as dodgeball. If it might hurt someone, we need to get rid of it. And some scientist somewhere can always find a model and some data to support his or her theory, or, if you like, agenda.

Believe me, I have worked with scientists for whom the precautionary principle is nothing more than a political tool to advance their agenda.

BigD on May 12, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Wow…

did he just say that “climate change” was responsible for Hurricanes and Tornadoes and such?

When all the REAL climatologist scientists say global warming would do just the opposite?

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Oh no! McCain sees the Climate Change issue (real or imagined) as a security issue. You know, all that Saudi oil and so forth while leaving usable energy resources untouched. He’s obviously some kind of brainwashed commie mole!

Krydor on May 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM

And one more thing— “strategic carbon reserves”. Is that a reference to nationalizing the country’s oil companies and reserves? In effect, stealing billions of barrels of oil and trillions of cubic feet of natural gas from millions of mineral interest owners and tens of thousands of producers..

What sort of enforcement apparatus is McCain and his buddies proposing in order to steal these many entities?

And who the hell would be stupid enough to be walking around with the locks?

TexasJew on May 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM

BigD on May 12, 2008 at 2:22 PM

BigD, like I said, I’m a GW skeptic, and obviously the precautionary principle is just a recipe for paranoia in the absence of any reason to invoke it. Unlike apparently 98% of the contributors posting to this message board, however, I don’t consider myself an expert on atmospheric science based on having perused a few anti-GW articles or books, and it’s impossible to ignore the fact that, for whatever good or bad reasons, a very sizable constituency has been built up on the Global Warmism side.

In a democratic country, we have no choice but to take their beliefs and concerns seriously – at the very least as political realities – and, if the votes are on their side, either seek compromise or face getting steamrolled. That doesn’t mean we have to accept GW or cease fighting against GW-related measures, but pretending that those of us associated with a current minority viewpoint can shout the majority down or insult them into the Twilight Zone corn field is a delusion (and, if it wasn’t a delusion, then it would be fascistic).

The most radical GW-related policies will be strongly resisted even by many people who believe the weight of evidence lies on the GW side. Working with them, stronger skeptics can accept a version of the precautionary principle on GW, but also insist that it be applied to the measures undertaken in the hope of combatting GW: OK, let’s see what we can do that doesn’t do permanent harm to the economy and that might also produce side-benefits while we continue to assess the scientific evidence. It then becomes more practical to introduce the anti-GW case into the mainstream, and to insist on a rational accounting of the costs and benefits.

Shrill insistence that the Gingrich-Giuliani-McCain-Schwarzenegger approach means economic and political apocalypse looks to me just as Chicken Little stupid as Al-Gore GW alarmism. It has the further disadvantage of being politically impractical and counterproductive.

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 2:45 PM

How did we get in this situation? God help us and God Save America.

ultracon on May 12, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Can McCain be anymore of an idiot? NO ONE CAN STOP NATURE FROM HAPPENING (hurricanes, rain,..) ..don’t these people get that?

I’m so tired of this false global warming crap.

j0 on May 12, 2008 at 2:55 PM

it’s impossible to ignore the fact that, for whatever good or bad reasons, a very sizable constituency has been built up on the Global Warmism side.

CK MacLeod — I am not a scientist; I have worked with a fair number of atmospheric scientists, including those who have received awards for the EPA for their work on the ozone hole and global warming.

All I can say is that, in very general terms, the CFC (ozone hole)emerged out of one paper, published in 1973 by I can’t remember who, that Greenpeace ran away with. The business and science community were scared sh**less by Greenpeace, and after millions of dollars of research, came up with CFC alternatives, which were promptly renounced for their global warming impact. You know, your air conditioning and hairspray still aren’t safe.

There are whole organizations devoted to these things, largely involving the UN, who saw the success in regulating/eliminating CFCs (which was largely due to Greenpeace)and really started the global warming ball rolling.

Admittedly, this is a simplistic view. But this stuff is so old, and we’re all still here!

BigD on May 12, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Oh I don’t doubt for a minute that McCain might believe in Global warming being man made. Because I DON’T believe it is another reason I won’t vote for him. Just like I dislike McCain/ Finegold, McCain /Kennedy, porous borders, lack of interrogation techniques, Gang of 14, shall I continue?

MNDavenotPC on May 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Don’t care. Has anyone noticed the temps in Minnesnowta lately. I’ve been outside emptying any and all spray cans I can find. If I could afford it, I’d buy a couple old Studebakers and let em run 24/7.

oakpack on May 12, 2008 at 3:07 PM

apacalyps on May 12, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Well, at least he’s just calling us extremists… and not racists, like before…

Baby steps….

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 3:09 PM

What an idiot! Global Warming!! The man does not have a clue. Frightning. My God, every time I hear Hannity on the air about choosing the better of two evils, McCain says something stupid/dumb. It’s bad enough the man does not realize his statement of “No drilling in Alaska” according to a Bill O’Rielly interview, reeks with ignorance. His pandering to the left is unforgivable. Bring on a third party. Bob Barr..anyone but this jerk.

whsiii on May 12, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Note to GW skeptics: On the one hand pretending that everyone who believes in Global Warmism is an idiot, and then yourself pretending that Global Warming should imply “warm weather” in Minnesota or anywhere else just makes you look like an even worse idiot. If you don’t know why, then you’re really not in a position to ridicule the other side.

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 3:13 PM

‘third way’,, RMSP,, Reform Institute,, global warming

That’s a mouthful.

normsrevenge on May 12, 2008 at 3:18 PM

On the one hand there’s the sun, on the other there’s a bzillion tons of molten rock and iron, and in between is us and our climate.

If the CO2 content of the atmosphere were a 100-storey building, the anthropogenic CO2 constribution would be equal to the linoleum on the first floor.

It would be great if such observations were lost only on Democrats.

Akzed on May 12, 2008 at 3:19 PM

A greener planet is just their way to have more Mexican immigrants come in to mow the lawns…

right2bright on May 12, 2008 at 3:21 PM

GW has been observed on Mars and Venus.

/no SUV’s up there though

Akzed on May 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Until we get congress to cut funding for “global warming research” which we have been pouring money into since the early 1980′s, the global warming myth will never go away. We’re now close to thirty years and a trillion dollars spent for a bunch of “climate models” that are dead wrong. They will continue to propagandize us with our own money for as long as we allow it.

It’s really time to pull the plug on global warming research, the theory is dead, the planet is cooling and clearly it was only a natural solar cycle that caused the little warming we experience in the first place. What are we going to do, fund this goofy theory for another thirty years?

Maxx on May 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Snow covered the ground this morning, May 12th. The hottest years were in the 1930′s (not 1990′s), there’s been no global warming since 1998, and it’s actually been cooling for the last 8 years, while carbon emissions have steadily increased.

Algore seems to have gooten it backwards, as usual. Carbon emissions cause global cooling.

How disappointing that McCain would affiliate with this loser.

petefrt on May 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Note to Mcleod… basic physics. The Earth is a closed heat engine. Enegy comes in from the sun… it gets strored in either the atmosphere, water, ice, or earth itself… or get radiated back to space. Weather is the action of heat MOVING around the world, set up by atmospherics, and water currents.

As large as the earth is, it is a HUGE heat sink.

IF carbon is causing global warming, as the theory goes, then as carbon goes up, the TOTAL amount of heat in the atmosphere/water would increase as well. Hoever, NASA and the UN says that the temperature has platued the last 10 years, and will go DOWN for the next 10… even with increasing carbon.

Can’t have it both ways. You can’t say carbon is causing global warming, and then have it COOLING as carbon INCREASES!

Its not rocket science… its basic science.

Then they say… well… its just because its complicated, so trust us…. we’re right even though common sense says we’re wrong… cause its complicated…

Sorry, I want my leaders to be a bit smarter than that.

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Carbon emissions cause global cooling.

petefrt on May 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM

No, but that is what they will try to say next, because CO2 is where the money is. If you can tax CO2 it’s like being able to tax the very air we breath. We do exhale CO2 you know and there is no form of combustion that I am aware of that does not involve release of CO2. Releasing CO2 is actually a good thing, crops don’t grow without CO2 and our atmosphere is CO2 deficient.

But by advocating that CO2 is the problem, the door is opened for the global warmers to tax all…. or nearly all business. No problem would be solved because there is no problem to solve, but lots of people would rake in the big bucks and me and you would get to pay it.

I can assure you, no matter how hot or how cold it gets, the global warmers will always blame it on CO2. That’s were the money is. Methane is just a side show compared to CO2.

Maxx on May 12, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Just like I dislike McCain/ Finegold, McCain /Kennedy, porous borders, lack of interrogation techniques, Gang of 14, shall I continue?

MNDavenotPC on May 12, 2008 at 3:04 PM

That’s the problem. There is a need to continue. I’m in total agreement with you, except for one little problem–Obama.

Unless/until I can find a way around that little conundrum, I see no way out. We are beating ourselves up because McCain shares much in common with Democrats, and for reasons which call into question his intelligence, and we thought a “Republican” was going to win in November. That’s not happening.

JiangxiDad on May 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Every time I see some doofus thing like this, I have to say to myself: “It would be Anthony Kennedy, not Malik Shabazz. It would be David Souter, not Bernadine Dohrn…”

eeyore on May 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Note to Mcleod…

IF carbon is causing global warming, as the theory goes, then as carbon goes up, the TOTAL amount of heat in the atmosphere/water would increase as well. Hoever, NASA and the UN says that the temperature has platued the last 10 years, and will go DOWN for the next 10… even with increasing carbon.

Can’t have it both ways. You can’t say carbon is causing global warming, and then have it COOLING as carbon INCREASES!

Its not rocket science… its basic science.

Then they say… well… its just because its complicated, so trust us…. we’re right even though common sense says we’re wrong… cause its complicated…

Sorry, I want my leaders to be a bit smarter than that.

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 3:55 PM

But more importantly, the debate is not simply about who is right and who is wrong. It is about whether or not the American people give government the power to SAVE THE PLANET by regulating, and thus controling, EVERY CONCEIVABLE THING ATTRIBUTED TO ANTHROPOLOGICAL GLOBAL WARMING. McLeod, this is not simply a paper vs. plastic debate. It is about a free people demanding that their “limited” government get off its AZZ and take as much power form us as it deems necessary to save the world.

So, just exactly what issue, what right, what life is more important than saving the planet? Upon feverishly saving the planet from certain destruction, what won’t get done that desperately needs doing?

Question: What gets pushed aside for the greater good? Answer: EVERYTHING and EVERYONE does, because saving the planet is the ultimate greater good.

shuzilla on May 12, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Can’t have it both ways. You can’t say carbon is causing global warming, and then have it COOLING as carbon INCREASES!

Its not rocket science… its basic science.

It’s neither.

I hate to be in the position of defending a theory that I personally don’t accept – and do not consider myself in a position meaningfully to accept or reject – but I do know what Global Warmists say they believe. BTW, some of the politically sophisticated ones started arguing against using the term long ago, not just recently, anticipating precisely the kind of misunderstandings that never cease to give mirth to self-assured conservative critics.

In a GW-ist’s view, local weather would be a small part of the larger super-mechanism that you call a “heat sink.” The scenarios that GW alarmists imagine do not rest on the idea that the weather overall will get uniformly hotter and hotter, causing, among other things, bikinis to become standard in the Twin Cities in December. They imagine increasing destabilization of climate patterns, eventually including disruption of major cycles and flows like the Gulf Stream, that may produce wide variations in local effects: heat waves and droughts here, cold snaps and floods there, on the surface where the human population resides.

The titles of the first two novels from Kim Stanley Robinson’s Global Warming Disaster Trilogy may give you an idea: 50 DEGREES BELOW and 40 SIGNS OF RAIN. I have no idea what the title 60 DAYS AND COUNTING in Book 3 refers to – but it’s probably not anything good. I did read 50 DEGREES BELOW, however, and in it Robinson imagines the ice caps almost totally melting away, even while Washington DC is plunged into near-Arctic winters. I’ll just add that Robinson has a reputation in SF circles as a writer of “hard SF” – that is, very well researched and grounded in science, and not always to good effect on readability.

My point, I repeat, is not to suggest that Robinson’s views are correct and rational, but rather to point out that, to a GW true believer, a skeptic going on and on about an extended winter in the US disproving the theory sounds like a Flat-Earther asserting that, if the world was round, we’d fall off.

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 4:24 PM

I thought the ad was effective. Doesn’t toss in with the Al Gore Church of Climate Change, but takes the “national security/gas price” angle. Smart. Effective.

Seixon on May 12, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Maxx on May 12, 2008 at 4:07 PM

While usually indisposed to conspiracy theories, I’m becoming convinced that the movers and shakers behind Gorebull Warming intend it as an assault on capitalism and America’s economic strength.

petefrt on May 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Wind and solar are not competitive industries so investing in them is just a waste;except for a few niche users too far from regular sources of power. So, natural gas will be used. Using natural gas will drive up the cost of natural gas to heat our homes and drive big industrial natural gas users abroad where gas will be cheaper. Natural gas impact is not calculated when costing out cap and trade legislation nor is the cost to industry of an auction of credits; so Lieberman is no doubt telling his buddy John that we can cap carbon and it won’t hurt much at all. But it will.

Hopefully John will fall back on a position of doing all this once the Indians and Chinese come on board, which they will not.

KW64 on May 12, 2008 at 5:10 PM

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Michael Crichton “State of Fear”… copyright 2004… written the year before that…

Funny how prophetic it is…

Make anyone who questions the science a “flatearther” and idiot… and the funny part is that its a LOT of scientists, inlcuding some who WERE Global Warming folks, who are now questioning…

Key is that McCain has been a Warmist for years, this is nothing new.

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 5:16 PM

KW64 on May 12, 2008 at 5:10 PM

Real key to Wind and Solar? They don’t work all the time.

Wind power does not work unless the wind is blowing… Solar does not work at night… so you HAVE to have more standard forms of power generation there for when those extras don’t function.

It increases the cost of ALL energy, because of the increased plant costs.

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM

I think McCain thinks, you can either win the presidential election OR you can call Gore’s man-made Global Warming theory a crock/hoax, but you can’t do both things. So McCain has chosen to work his way up to the steering wheel of this runaway bus called Global Warming, and steer the bus towards a more gradual path down the hill. And maybe pick up some energy independence and technical innovation on the way.

RBMN on May 12, 2008 at 1:20 PM

That all sounds great except for the first four words. They’re key.

Ernest on May 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Why on earth is he campaigning on this issue in the first place?

I’m not so sure he’s actually on Earth, but assuming he is-

He thinks (and no one in his inner circle would dare say otherwise lest they be fired) that he needs to put some space btwn himself and Pres Bush.

The Dims have a basic two prong attack plan. His age and 4 more years of GWB. His position on MMGW is to show that he’s young enough to “get it” and provides a policy distinction from GWB.

Are conservatives tearing their hair out over this nonsense? Yes we are. Does that mean we are going to vote Paul or Barr? Some who are in that camp will remain there and they certainly aren’t going McC if he talks about being a MMGW believer. For the rest, the biggest concern for McC will be conservatives sitting it out.

For myself, while I think MMGW is a big ripoff scheme, I don’t view it as the biggest issue out there so I won’t base my vote on it. It will only cause some mild nausea, not a full on upchuck.

No, the bigger issues are the War on Terror and Supreme Court judges. On these, he seems to be on the right side of the issues. If I start hearing otherwise, then my lever pulling arm will go numb.

TheCulturalist on May 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM

The real key to wind and solar is to move them both to space. Then the solar will work all the time bcs there is no “night”, and the wind can blow 24/7 since there are no trees to get in the way.

See? Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

TheCulturalist on May 12, 2008 at 5:35 PM

…but I do know what Global Warmists say they believe.

CK MacLeod on May 12, 2008 at 4:24 PM

You would believe too if your paycheck depended on it. Look, we got thousands of “scientist” in the field that will lose their paychecks if they stop finding evidence of global warming. These people have mortgages and car payments and kids in school, it’s very hard for them not to just go along. Don’t believe me you say? Try this.

Read any scientific research on ANY topic you choose and you will find the bottom line will ALWAYS says:

But more research is needed.

But it’s all got to stop at some point. The time has come for the global-warming-gravy-train to end. Thirty years is enough!!

Maxx on May 12, 2008 at 5:36 PM

I think McCain thinks, you can either win the presidential election OR you can call Gore’s man-made Global Warming theory a crock/hoax, but you can’t do both things. . .
RBMN on May 12, 2008 at 1:20 PM

The Senator may think that, but in my view he’s dead wrong: the evidence is piling up that effectively refutes the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) hypothesis. Not only did that last warm period stop in 1998, but now predictions are that the Earth may cool for the next ten years. NASA’s new Aqua system indicates the ocean temperatures are cooling. And most damaging of all, the basic prediction made by the AGW models, that atmospheric temperatures in the tropics would heat up because of positive feedback from water vapor, has been falsified: just the opposite occurs. See Professor Fred Singer’s introduction to the recent ‘Climate Realists’ conference in NYC:

Singer Part One

Singer Part Two

Someone has got to get to John McCain and let him know that imitating the Leftists’ mantra of gloom, defeatism, and despair is NOT what the American public wants to hear. They want the optimism of a Ronald Reagan: “It’s morning in America, and we’re just getting started!” This can be the American Century if we have the right leadership, and the dodo Dems can’t provide it.

John McCain should have the learn enough, and summon up the courage, to say, “Algore is wrong. Mankind is NOT causing climate change. CO2 is a beneficial trace gas in the atmosphere, essential for all life. Doubling or tripling the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will not harm anyone. America has vast reserves of coal, and plenty more oil and natural gas, plus nuclear power. We have to utilize all of these to provide cheap and plentiful energy for the American Century to come, not tax ourselves into third-world status.”

This has to be the slogan:

*****AMERICAN ENERGY FOR AMERICAN GROWTH!******

*****CO2 IS GOOD FOR AMERICA!******

PS

If any of you are interested in science as opposed to politically-motivated hysteria, watch this entertaining lecture by Prof. Bob Carter (Australia, a climate scientist), in four parts (total time about 37 minutes):

Carter Part One

Carter Part Two

Carter Part Three

Carter Part Four

/Mr Lynn

MrLynn on May 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Correction:

“John McCain should have the learn enough. . .” should be

“John McCain should learn enough, and summon up the courage to say. . .”

You can’t beat the Democrats by imitating them.

MrLynn on May 12, 2008 at 6:00 PM

LOL…

and yes, expected 6 to 12 inches of Climate Change in the Colorado mountains tonight and tomorow…

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 6:32 PM

History repeats, first as fable then as farce.

Ripped from a childhood fable or yesteryear,

The Emperor’s New Clothes -

In the fable of the Emperor’s New Clothes, a couple of con men convinced the king that they had magical cloth, which only the wise could see. The king hires these men to make him the most magnificent suit of clothes, declaring that anyone who cannot see this material was a fool. The king was insulated from negative feedback and payed the ultimate price; complete and absolute public mortification.

and turned into Juan “Moldy Green Old Coot” McCain’s New Science -

In the Presidential campaign of Juan “Moldy Green Old Coot” McCain, a con men named Al “The Goracle” Gore convinced Juan “Moldy Green Old Coot” McCain that he had discovered Apocalyptic Global warming, which only the wise could see. Juan “Moldy Green Old Coot” McCain joins the Church of Apocalyptic Global warming so that he can appear to be very intelligent and a member of the in crowd, declaring that anyone who cannot feel this Global Warming is a denier or a flat-earther. Juan “Moldy Green Old Coot” McCain was insulated from negative feedback from nativist Gringos and payed the ultimate price; complete and absolute public mortification in November.

MB4 on May 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Didn’t he already say he was going to prevent another Katrina from occurring?

Well if he’s got the power to stop a Cat 3+ Hurricane then surely he can fix a tiny issue like the global climate without damaging the economy, right?

Oh, this isn’t the “Marvel Universe” its the real world, and people don’t have super powers? Damn, has anyone told this to McCain?

gekkobear on May 12, 2008 at 6:58 PM

MrLynn on May 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Wow…. thanks for the links…

Romeo13 on May 12, 2008 at 7:12 PM

MrLynn on May 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM

In regard to MrLynn’s post, it might be helpful to know who is Doctor Fred Singer, he was director of the National Weather Satellite Center (now part of NOAA) toward the beginning of his career. But that’s the modest part of his résumé, since then he’s earned a list of credentials longer than the average arm.

Where is the scientific equivalent of this man on the global warming scammer side? Please don’t say Al Gore, unless you just want to make me laugh.

But if Dr. Singer doesn’t have enough horsepower for you, perhaps someone on this list of nineteen-thousand two hundred physicists, geophysicists, climatologist, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists will do the trick.

Remember the IPCC only claimed to have had 2,500, but of course many of them disagreed that global warming was any kind of threat. And the dissenters among those scientist had their comments removed from the final IPCC reports.

Maxx on May 12, 2008 at 7:16 PM

It is really incredibly weird way to run for the presidency. Kick you base in the teeth, and go with the policies of the other party. Does this make sense? Whatever. He must have a constituency out there somewhere, but not in my corner of the globe. There is not one conservative, who is an activist, who has come out for McCain. No one will work for him nor will they give him money. Ya got to scratch your head and wonder if he’s lined up the Mexicans as a major constituency.

thatcher on May 12, 2008 at 7:20 PM

And let’s open our borders to anyone and everyone…but in a good way.
And let’s subordinate our judicial process to a world court…but in a good way.
And let’s switch to socialized medicine…but (etc.)

I’m not only going to need to pinch my nose shut to vote for this dingleberry, I’m gonna need an airsick bag too.

whitetop on May 12, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Yet another King Canute! :::sigh:::

OldEnglish on May 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM

I’m going to puke having to vote for this guy. He’s just not a whole lot better than Obama or Hillary!

Golfer_75093 on May 13, 2008 at 5:46 AM