Snaggletoothie – that’s not really correct. The superdelegates were created to make sure that the “VIPs” in the party got to be delegates, and their votes were supposed to sort of “amplify” the victory of whichever candidate came out on top after the primaries/caucuses. I can assure you that no Democrats imnvolved in creating these rules EVER envisioned the scenario that has occurred this year and a lot of them are mortified by it. The biggest problem they created was not the superdelegates but the proportional representation, i.e. giving delegates to any candidate who reached above a certain threshold and apportioning delegates by congressional district and not by state. That is how Obama ended up winning more delegates in Texas even though he lost the primary.

They created a whole bunch in Michigan and Florida.

What she needs to look at and try to understand is how does a nobody from nowhere like Obama step up, in their first national campaign, and take away her “walk-over” nomination.

woodman on May 12, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Easy. The Race Card trumps the Gender Card.

I have to laugh at Hillary! because she planned on playing both of those cards against us (the Republicans). She was going to be the first woman President, with Obama as the first “black” Vice-President. Instead, Obama played the Race Card on her and now the Democrats have an identity politics civil war on their hands.

“The DNC and its chair went overboard in disciplining the two states, creating a mess that has enabled Hillary Clinton to continue her campaign againt Barack Obama and cover herself in the mantle of Florida 2000. She can now claim to champion the disenfranchised voters who went to the polls in good faith ….”

The Goracle has come home to roost.

All the crashing and burning is fueled by core democrat party axioms: pandering to racial/gender identity feeling rather than appealing to the intellect, trying to attain fairness in the delegate allocation math rather than striving to identify a clear winner.

The democrat primary election proves that democrat values are out of step with common sense American values.

When they hafta drag McAwful out to dis Dean, that’s when the popcorn starts and the hot dogs go on the barbie. Yee-haaa!!!

Hillary will burn the party down before she just walks away and admits defeat. What she needs to look at and try to understand is how does a nobody from nowhere like Obama step up, in their first national campaign, and take away her “walk-over” nomination.

Because no one likes her that’s how.

BTW, I love the Monty Python reference.

…after this primary-season catastrophe for the Democrats, he won’t likely get another chance to prove it again in an executive role on any level.

Gov. of MN (or NY)?:)

Why not punish the party’s leaders, but still count the votes?

Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan. The leadership is floating a brokered split of the votes but the reality is that Michigan Democrats will not have their votes counted this year. At best, they’ll just split the count evenly.

Personally, I think they should be disenfranchised. It’s the kind of boost that would throw some of Michigan’s worst Democrats out of office including Conyers, Levin, and Kilpatrick.

That’s like punishing the account holders in a bank that was robbed where an executive VP embezzled money.

right2bright on May 12, 2008 at 11:33 AM

Time for Romney to campaign in Michigan for McCain, telling Michigan voters that if the Democrats don’t want their votes, we do…

I think cranky old bastard has made it perfectly clear that the only votes he doesn’t want are the votes of the real Republicans (social conservatives and evangelicals).

Michigan and Florida aside, the Democrats actually have more voters getting a voice in the primary process this year. The Republicans, unfortuately, ended up getting stuck who was the second-worst candidate possible because of the primary schedule that favored rabid liberals over real Republicans. Something needs to change in 2012 when the aftermath of whichever Democrat ruins the country over the next four years.

Interestingly enough, while the Democrats disenfranchised the fourth-largest state in the Union (Florida), the GOP primary there forced Giuliani out of the race, which gave McCain a decisive advantage over Romney. When Florida speaks, people listen, or at least they should.

One of the more disgusting tricks they used. Many military stations don’t put post marks on letters being sent by military post.

Florida law requires that ballot be postmarked prior to election day in order to be counted. In the past, any ballot received on or before election day was accepted.

The Democrats sent in lawyers that argued that, for the first time, these ballots shouldn’t be counted. Not surprising, it wasn’t hard for them to find a liberal judge to agree with this interpretation of the law.

It was tried once with Ned Lamont, now dems think they got it right with BO. We’ll know in 6 months.

Contrasting the two parties’nominating processes might make for an interesting and educational high-school-level civics discussion, but given the tilt of our public school system it probably isn’t.