Atlantic’s electoral map: McCain 245, Obama 221, toss-up 72
posted at 7:55 pm on May 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Sounds comfy until you realize that 13 of Maverick’s 245 come from Virginia, which has been trending blue with Jim Webb and Tim Kaine, is certain to keep trending blue with Mark Warner this fall, and was the site of one of Obama’s most impressive wins, a 64-35 demolition of Her Majesty on February 12 that saw him win by landslides across all ideological groups, including 69-30 among independents. Put Virginia in his column and he leads McCain 234-232. I’m nervous about Missouri too, which Ambinder also gives to Maverick even though Obama surprised Hillary there with one of his few battleground state wins.
Among the states credited to Obama, the only obvious one that McCain might steal is New Hampshire. Otherwise it’s all about Pennsylvania and Ohio as the toss-ups, which means Maverick needs to take a second look at Tom Ridge, pro-choice or not, and Obama needs to take a look at Ted Strickland, especially given the racial undertones to Hillary’s support there (but not just there, perhaps). Assuming Virginia and Ohio break for Obama and New Hampshire and Pennsylvania for McCain, it’s … 257-250 for our guy with Iowa, Wisconsin, New Mexico, and Colorado to decide it. If Pennsylvania breaks for Obama in this scenario instead, he’s at 271 and planning the inauguration.
Exit question: 269-269?
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Oh please no 269-269. Clean win either way, otherwise there’ll four more years of whining.
rbj on May 12, 2008 at 7:59 PM
At least I`ll get to experience the late 70`s that I barely missed.
ThePrez on May 12, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Hell, who am I kidding? With some experts thinking of $10 a gallon gas, make it the 30`s.
ThePrez on May 12, 2008 at 7:59 PM
So my CT vote can go to Mitt!
ctmom on May 12, 2008 at 8:00 PM
That’s what happens when a party is hijacked and the base is completely ignored while the “candidate” espouses every value, vision, and idea put forth by the opposition.
In other words, why vote for cranky old bastard when there isn’t one iota of difference between his positions and that of Obama. Frankly, Obama comes off as more honest in this case because he doesn’t lie the way cranky old bastard maintains he is a Reagan Republican.
highhopes on May 12, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Eek… I’m going to just quit following this stuff until I vote in November.
DaveS on May 12, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Unfortunately, you’re delusional if you think even a clean win will stop the whining
jasnell on May 12, 2008 at 8:04 PM
I thought Nebraska could go either way. SurveyUSA had it split a few months ago when they pulled there. Given they aren’t (Especially lately) perfect and it’s just a pull, but it hardly seems right to put it firmly in the McCain camp in my opinion. If it was close once, it could definitely happen again.
Typhonsentra on May 12, 2008 at 8:05 PM
In that case, can we screech “SELECTED, NOT ELECTED!!1!” for 4 years?
amerpundit on May 12, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Wait and see: McCain will win, and it won’t be close
Obama is a Far Leftie and an idiot; you can one or the other, but not both
Janos Hunyadi on May 12, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Don’t depend on the primary counts to judge the national….McCain was already a “given” by the time he came to Virginia, so I dabbled a bit on the other side…and I’m sure I wasn’t the only one….
Lockstein13 on May 12, 2008 at 8:07 PM
McCain won’t win NC, that’s 15 electoral votes he won’t get. The Democrats here are more for border security than McCain is. And Liddy Dole is in a tie with a popular female Democrat candidate for senate here (who the local media and fox station likes). . . last month Dole was up about 15 points they gleefully reported the new pole showing them tied this evening. Obama will win NC because he’s been here, he’s spent money here, and the Democrats have a strong presence here.
Make yourself feel better by putting NC in the McCain column, but NC voted for Carter and Edwards.
ThackerAgency on May 12, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I don’t know, it could go either way. But I have been struck by the number of Democrats who have told me they will not vote for Obama. But then again, I live in Indiana.
However, I bet there is less difference between Indiana and Ohio and Missouri than some people think.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:08 PM
I love the idea of neither of these two being President.
Allahpundit for Regent!!
EJDolbow on May 12, 2008 at 8:09 PM
No! No, no, no, no, no, a million times no. Not “our guy”. The fact that Ambinder’s map has McCain winning is good, but McShamnesty is not “our guy”. You know better.
BTW, McCain definitely won’t take NH, unless conditions in Iraq get a little better and the media decides to stop reporting on it. NH seems to be very anti-war. I’m also putting VA in Obama’s column, provided his VP pick is moderate enough.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:09 PM
highhopes:
You the hell is the base? I mean really? It would seem to me that if these chronic crybabies who have to hijack every thread with their antiMcCain bs were actually the base, he would not be the nominee.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:09 PM
That extends to my part of Florida, too. I’ve had devout Dems tell me they won’t support BO.
amerpundit on May 12, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Makes me think if the Dems already have a clear advantage because they’ve campaign in almost all the 57 states?
terryannonline on May 12, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Colorado isn’t a winner take all state with Electoral College votes, they gives theirs proportionally.
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:12 PM
McCain is my guy. I am not ashamed to say it.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Hey, I lived in AZ for my entire life (until the Cali. Liberals chased me to the great state of Texas an couple of years back). I would in no way put Arizona in McCain’s “Base States” column.
I was just back there last month…things didnt sound good for Juan.
Vigilante on May 12, 2008 at 8:14 PM
amerpundit:
Yeah, it seems the Democrats have no problem telling the difference between McCain and Obama, and Obama scares a lot of them. But the socalled BASE would rather see the leftie Obama give drivers licenses to illegals and surrender in Iraq than face the fact that they did not get what they wanted.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:09 PM
I don’t know of anybody who is overly excited about voting for McCain. I know lots of people who are excited about Obama. Sorry some of us haven’t drunk the kool aide. I’d have happily held my tongue and put on my McCain colored glasses and gone down with the ship if I felt like McCain championed my views. He doesn’t, Obama doesn’t, Hillary doesn’t, so now instead of being a McCain cheerleader, I’m going to call it like I see it.
I’m not a base since McCain has convinced me not to vote so you don’t have to worry about me - I don’t matter since I won’t vote. But there is no bias in my posts.
ThackerAgency on May 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Dude. No, really… dude.
Ain’t happening. With just a couple of months of actual digging, we’ve found four campaigns’ worth of cringe-inducing stuff on the Messiah. B. Hussein Obama ain’t gonna carry working white voters. He’s not going to walk away with the Hispanic vote. Who do you think seniors will vote for? How about military families? Oh, and do you think the Clintonistas are going to sit buy and let Barry O keep our gal from ever sniffing a presidential campaign again? Even with the greatest “in the tank” job in history by the MSM, it ain’t happening.
Sugar Land on May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM
No, way. You’re overestimating black turnout and the percentage of blacks in the NC electorate.
If you think John Edwards could win any statewide contest in NC these days, you need your head examined.
McCain spoke at the Charlotte Chamber about two weeks ago. He’s been (and is coming) here too.
Wrong again. Bev Purdue’s liberal stances on immigration enforcement are what’s going to make her lose to Pat in November.
First off….nobody watches the local Fox 10PM news. Anywhere. Not in Charlotte. Not in Raleigh. Not in GBO. Not anywhere. Second off…Dole will win…handily.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM
I think when using Obama primary wins as a guage, you need to note if they are pre-Wright or not. I doubt Iowa would go obama over hillary right now and Virginia? not sure, she’s winning west va. by a huge landslide
jp on May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Vigilante:
I doubt that is true.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM
I can’t disagree more, especially this year. The best chance Republicans have had to take over the governor’s mansion in Raleigh in years has presented itself in Pat McCrory, mayor of Charlotte, and I think Republicans will turn out in droves to make sure that whiny, shrieky Beverly Perdue doesn’t win. Kay Hagen has a bump from her win in the primary, and fawning media attention (surprise!). Once people begin to pay attention to her policies she’ll lose 54-46.
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:17 PM
In 2000 Bush won Nebraska 408,000 to 215,000.
In 2004 Bush won Nebraska 512,000 to 254,000.
It is safe to put Nebraska in the Republican basket.
EJDolbow on May 12, 2008 at 8:17 PM
“Our guy?”
You’re welcome to him, AP. Enjoy.
Misha I on May 12, 2008 at 8:18 PM
I’m only supporting McCain because of Iraq. He sucks on most everything else. I refer you to the old standby, South Park’s Douche (McCain) and Turd (Obama). “At least a douche is clean!” BTW, I know you can say balls…can you say douche?
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:19 PM
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM
I support and will vote for McCrory (I actually might even volunteer for his campaign because I’m sick of the corrupt Democrats running this state). Bev Purdue gives me the creeps.
I hope Dole does win, but Kay Hagan is popular. Some people here still see Dole as a carpetbagger. I don’t, I like Dole, I support Dole, I hope she wins.
But McCain is a different story. I’d put money on it that he won’t win this state. Edwards wouldn’t win either, nor would Carter if they ran today. But we have a lot of liberal Yankees moving down here to move the vote more and more liberal every year. Most people living in NC now aren’t from NC. . . and they don’t like Jesse Helms near as much as I do.
ThackerAgency on May 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Yeah, but Bush was big on giant farm subsidies, McCain isn’t quite so much for it.
doubleplusundead on May 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Things are actually tilting more toward McCain at this point than any other Republican in memory. Wisconsin has been voting more Republican every year. Michigan might be on the table for once (despite people just saying it’s been in play). Missouri is the ultimate bell-weather state and it’s more Rep now than during any other election. Same with Indiana. Even Minnesota is trending Rep. And Florida is now solidly Rep.
Countering that are Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire trending Dem.
Between those two trends, I’d easily more rather be in the Republicans’ shoes.
Nessuno on May 12, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Beat ya to it.
Thank you. I didn’t exactly like him as my mayor, but McCrory is our best chance of taking Raleigh in years. Plus, it will be nice to get Charlotte some road money for once. And Hagen will flame out. Just like Obama.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Thacker:
Suit yourself. But someone is drinking something out there.
I do not remember anyone making a big deal out of illegal immigration in any previous presidential election, including 2000 and 2004 and then after years of ignoring the problem, people went nuts and got crazy because Jorge and Juan did not wave a magic wand and reverse decades of bad border policy.
The hardliners made a big deal out of it in 2006, swearing it would help them win and they got their asses handed to them. In spite of threats, tantrums, namecalling, and all sorts of acting out the issue has not won them one single election.
And now they sit back and accuse a man like McCain who spent years in a POW camp of everything from treason to God knows what else because he supported immigration reform.
Considering the alternative, that is ridiculous. But hey, do what you want, free country. For now.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Tom Ridge is a carbon copy of McCain so I am sure it would make Maverick happy but not Conservatives.
Besides, doesn’t McCain have to stay away from taking folks from President Bush’s cabinet and inner circle?
EJDolbow on May 12, 2008 at 8:22 PM
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Again, I like Dole, I like McCrory. Purdue gives me the creeps. I’ll probably volunteer for McCrory because I’m sick of the corrupt Democrats here.
But I doubt that will translate to support for McCain. I won’t vote for McCain for sure. . . even though I support Republicans. I guess I’m the only one.
ThackerAgency on May 12, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Rasmussen actually has Hagen up by 1 against Dole.
Dawnsblood on May 12, 2008 at 8:24 PM
If McCrory gets elected, look for him as a name mentioned down the road for POTUS. he’s got that “likeability” thing going for him and some good connections.
jp on May 12, 2008 at 8:25 PM
a man like McCain who spent years in a POW camp
So terrye, that gives McCain the ability to be a good president? He should be a Democrat like Lieberman. Lieberman is liberal on everything but the war. . . he’s just like McCain. Why is McCain a Republican? Why don’t you just support Lieberman? He’ll probably be the VP pick anyway.
ThackerAgency on May 12, 2008 at 8:25 PM
I’ll give you that. Spend 10 minutes in South Charlotte and you’ll hear more “Did you catch Jeter’s play last night?” than “I’m heading up to Concord to catch the qualifiers, wanna come?” these days.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Are you in Raleigh? I’m in Raleigh. I’m going to get my yard signs this week to hang from my apartment balcony!
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:26 PM
It will be an early night. PA and VA will tell the story.
Limerick on May 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Virginia will not go into Obama’s column. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the only reason Dems have had statewide wins in Virginia is because the GOP there fields lousy candidates, because George Allen couldn’t shut his face, and because Democrats in Virginia typically get the endorsement of the NRA.
Southside Virginians are very conservative, but their families have historically been Democrats and are often inclined to vote for Dems that promise to keep their hands off their firearms, no matter how liberal that Dem is otherwise. Take a look at Rick Boucher from the 9th District. The man is a liberal who continually gets re-elected by one of the most conservative electorates in the entire country because he always gets endorsed by the NRA and because he always votes with the coal lobby. Tidewater has a huge military population and can also be swung to a Dem candidate endorsed by the NRA.
Fact is, with a few exceptions (Wilder and Kaine) the NRA endorsement is a huge deal in Virginia, including in some races in Northern Virginia (see last fall’s Petersen-Davis state senate race). Unless Liberal Jesus can get the NRA to support him, no way he wins VA.
fiatboomer on May 12, 2008 at 8:29 PM
add North Charlotte to that
they are ruining NC politics
jp on May 12, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Enjoy our surrender in Iraq. You’re asking for it.
Oh yeah. He’s got some big connections in the Bush Administration. He scored some big $$$ through Homeland Security grants for the city and was even on some DHS board or something. Again, I didn’t like his spending habits as Mayor, but you have to consider the City Council and County Commission (Parks’ minions) layout he was dealing with.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:30 PM
I’m near Burlington. I grew up in Jamestown. McCrory went to the same High School I went to.
ThackerAgency on May 12, 2008 at 8:30 PM
Yeah, but North Charlotte is pretty balanced politically still. They were the one’s leading the Dump CMS charge a few years back.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Thacker:
McCain’s years as a POW should give people pause before they doubt his patriotism or his integrity. The fact that he disagrees with you does not make him a Democrat. Are you like the Law Giver to Republicans or something?
McCain is pro life, strong on national defense, as a long and well substantiated history supporting conservative judges all the way back to Bork and he is a fical conservative.
The idea that any of us will agree with everything some candidate supports is naive. I don’t expect someone to be a carbon copy of me before I can support him. I want him to be better than the other guy.
And those 4,000 dead Americans who lost their lives in Iraq deserve better than to see the cause they died for abandoned. That is just how I feel.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Just saying. It’s still a red state, but there are a lot of Obama sympathizers there now and the others are fed up with his immigration BS.
Vigilante on May 12, 2008 at 8:31 PM
Isn’t that where he launched his campaign?
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:32 PM
with a mayor of a big city, they can’t really be too conservative when they govern. he can move to the right now if thats where he is. Raleigh needs it bad. NC should want “change” on the State level more than the national level…should.
and yes, Bev Perdue is an absolute idiot.
jp on May 12, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Yeah, I the hell am the base Terrye and I’m pissed off beyond belief that McCain keeps getting stuffed down my throat as a wonderful human being who represents MY values when that clearly isn’t the case. It’s not “chronic crybabyism” to speak out and make my dissatisfaction known.
It is apathy and disgusting that you keep telling people to shut the f**k up and support McCain simply because he is a Republican. I want a Republican with conservative values not a liberal Democrat who lies about his political affiliation. Perhaps it is time people like you start showing some tolerance and understand that a President McCain will never be trusted by the base constituency of the party. The best cranky old bastard can do is reach an uneasy truce with his own party’s faithful. Perhaps you should start figuring out the way to make that happen instead of calling others names!
highhopes on May 12, 2008 at 8:34 PM
I just want Charlotte to get it’s fair share of the pie. We’re the biggest metro in the state and we get far less money proportionally. A bunch of small towns out near Brunswick County are getting more $$$ than us. It would be nice to see McCrory break the “Charlotte curse” and give us some fair representation. It’s so corrupt it’s crazy.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:36 PM
269~269
I think there’s something subliminal about those last
two digits,but I’m sure the other side will be sreaming
foul,———–again!
This should be pretty good,let’s review!
According to Hillary and Obama!
-the popular vote might count,depends where you are with
the electorial count!
-the electorial count is more important than the popular
vote!
-But it doesn’t stinkin matter,the Liberals will go to
court to try and have their defeat over-turned!
-The ole’ tried and true conspiratorial nut cases will be
shilling voter fraud,intimidation at the polls,yada,
yada,ad nauseum yada!
-
canopfor on May 12, 2008 at 8:37 PM
yeah, and along with McCrory you got Pittenger from Clt and the Dem(Dalton) from Forest City, both from this side of the state. So we have a chance to have the top 2 Executive jobs in NC in Repub or atleast western hands.
jp on May 12, 2008 at 8:38 PM
I’d like to think that us conservatives are the base, but McCain’s nomination just proved that liberals and moderates are in control of the party now. But, we still have to vote for him. The mission in Iraq and the threats in Iran and (now, apparently) Lebanon are too serious to ignore. At least McCain won’t surrender and turn our foreign policy into a big appeasement party. You’re not voting for McCain, you’re voting against Obama and for our security. Please, for the security of our county, hold you nose and vote for him. Then you may go throw up and b**ch about his craptastic immigration polices. I’ll stand there and b**ch with you.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:40 PM
I’ll trade you Durham for North Charlotte. Deal?
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:40 PM
I love his little spots on WBT. They’re very informative. Good way to connect to conservatives in the area.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:41 PM
I’ll trade you Durham for North Charlotte. Deal?
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:40 PM
jp on May 12, 2008 at 8:42 PM
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:12 PM
This is not true.
They did think about doing that, though. Fortunately for them, the state’s residents are not stupid.
DaveS on May 12, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Oh yeah…Durham is probably the worst. But they’ve been pretty liberal for a while now.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:43 PM
That does not account for a 250,000 vote margin. Nebraska will not vote for Barack Obama or any Democrat other than maybe John McCain.
EJDolbow on May 12, 2008 at 8:43 PM
What? That’s like the EPICENTER of arugula eating, Obama idolizing snobs.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM
highhopes:
I am not telling you to shut up. I am simply pointing out that if the base is really that pissed about McCain, they need to work at fielding candidates they like and who can win primaries..not constantly trashing the guy who won.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:45 PM
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM
not familar with area other than demographics, however the mall is nice. of course i’m not wild about all the snobby duke students i see walking around when i’m there.
jp on May 12, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I was born conservative republican and I’ll die conservative, maybe republican. I refuse, REFUSE to vote for McLame because he is not conservative and is not republican. He’s liberal and RINO and planning to open our borders to anything and anyone that comes in here. To be honest, no matter who wins this election I have very great fears for my daughters and their way of life!
Vntnrse on May 12, 2008 at 8:47 PM
btw, I thought Cary was that ‘epicenter’ of whole foods snobbery.
jp on May 12, 2008 at 8:47 PM
We had two awesome candidates; Mitt Romney and teh Fred. Thanks to “open primaries”, our chance to nominate an actual Republican (gasp!) were stolen from us. We’re supporting McCain, but don’t think we’re going to lay down and let us ruin the conservative movement.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:48 PM
And btw, the conservatism is an ideology. The Republican party is a political party. There is a difference. Conservatives are not a majority in the country, even among Republicans they are not a strong majority. A lot of Republicans, GOP people who vote and give money to elections consider themselves moderates. If conservatives want to run the show, they need to gain support…not alienate people. They need to convince people they are right, not run them off.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:48 PM
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:48 PM
I’m not sure. He probably did it at Grandover resort which is in Jamestown, but I don’t know for certain.
And actually Gent, my address is Liberty, NC. But nobody knows where that is so I just say I’m near Burlington. Basically I’m in the middle of the state in the middle of nowhere and that’s how I like it.
ThackerAgency on May 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Makes me think if the Dems already have a clear advantage
because they’ve campaign in almost all the 57 states?
terryannonline on May 12,2008 at 8:11PM.
terryannonline:Thats a good point(Chuckle,Chuckle),Obama
is already up by 7 states! Ha Ha.
canopfor on May 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM
You may be right. But I think if you triangulate the snob coordinates, the coffee shop in front of the Nordstroms at SouthPark in Charlotte is the true epicenter of snobbery. But Cary and SouthPoint are bad too.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM
malan:
Open primaries did not stop Fred. He did.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Meanwhile back at
the ranchRCP, in the average of major recent polls, Obamawan Barakobi has gone from .6% ahead of Juan McStrawberries to 4.5% ahead in the last week or so.MB4 on May 12, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Is that true? Each state gets one vote. Does this guarantee victory for Obama? The slimmest of majorities, 26 states, currently holds for Democrats, not quite the landslide that the raw number of Congressfolks indicates. Twenty-one states have Republican majorities, and the remaining states are McCain’s Arizona, conservative Kansas, and conservative Mississippi (2 Democrats, 1 Republican, 1 vacant). All it takes is a few defections (Blue Dogs), deaths, resignations, and/or replacements and McCain squeaks through as the moderate candidate. If Obama keeps looking too weak, or if McCain wins the popular vote, it could easily happen.
calbear on May 12, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Oh, good! THere was talk of doing that here in NC, but I’e not heard a peep about it lately. It’s truly a very bad idea.
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Like I said…we’ll support him, but we’re gonna make him accountable for representing the ideals that the Republican Party is still grasping onto–small government and strong national defense.
You want to convince people to embrace conservative values? Inform them. The problem is they just don’t care.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Vnt:
McCain is a Republican, to say he is not is ridiculous.
As for the border, there are more resources on that border now than there ever have been in history. And while more needs to be done, crossings are down now from a couple of years. Or so said the reporter on Fox this evening.
However, Obama’s policies on immigration are a lot further to the left than McCain’s and the idea that McCain is just going to open the border is nuts.Whatever you might think of McCain on this issue, Obama would not be an improvement.
I grew up in the southwest and when I was a kid that border was a lot more open than it is now.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Ah, yes…CARY, NC…Concentrated Area of Relocated Yankees or Containment Area for Relocated Yankees. Cary residents aren’t allowed outside when it rains because their noses are turned up so high they’ll drown. It’s true.
SouthernGent on May 12, 2008 at 8:57 PM
malan:
I think they might care again. I was born in 1951 and I have watched these swings before. I think that people will come back right again in the future.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Yeah, Fred’s campaign was pretty crappy. But Romney would have won (handily) without those damn open primaries. Just look at NH. There were people that were still trying to decide whether to go with McCain or Obama….in the hours leading up to the election. You have to admit…if people don’t know whether they want McCain or Obama, they’ve got to be pretty low on the IQ.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM
I knew there was some smartass acronym. I just couldn’t think of it. Thanks. I haven’t spent much time there, but to find a city in NC where nobody says “y’all” is pretty rare.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 9:01 PM
If all else fails, four years of Carter II (Obama) will get them back on the “right” (see what I did there? yay, I makes a pun!) track.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 9:03 PM
MB4:
I think that has to do with the fact that the Democrats are getting all the attention right now on a national level. But when you look at the campaign state to state, the results might well be different.
6 months is a long time in politics, anything can happen.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Terry, My humblest apologies….I mean I only live 20 miles from the Tijuana border so I have NO idea what goes on there…including the virtually daily van rollovers of human smugglers killing and causing horrible injury to those they’ve been smuggling. Not to mention the 67 people locked in a semi-trailer three days ago dehydrated by the heat in the middle of the day. Oh yeah, include the fact that I’m a nurse at a local hospital so I CARE FOR those smuggled illegal aliens after those accidents! I treated some of those dehydrated illegals in my hospital requiring IV’s that will be paid for by my own tax dollars! But I have NO idea what happens on the borders!!! So Sorry!
McCain is a RINO…Republican IN NAME ONLY! I believe it and he will NEVER get my vote!
Yeah, my humblest apologies for having my eyes open!
Vntnrse on May 12, 2008 at 9:07 PM
malan:
We can hope that is the case, but sometimes luck has a lot to do with it.
Bush has had a lot of bad luck. Just strange things happening. If Obama wins and by some strange luck, things just sort of turn quiet for him..then he might not be hurt so badly.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Vntrose:
Oh please. Look at California, it has the largest population of illegals in the entire country and is right on the damn border and always votes moderate to left on immigration issues and no doubt those folks would tell me the same thing.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 9:10 PM
McCain is bad on immigration, but Obama takes “open borders” literally. He actually wants to physically open the borders.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM
As for veep, the Senate has no more Democratic-majority states than the Republicans. And it might come down to former rivals Lieberman and Cheney to break any Senate ties.
calbear on May 12, 2008 at 9:12 PM
If all the socalled RINOs just left the party and stopped voting Republican, the party would not even have a chance in winning a national election.
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 9:12 PM
I wonder who the Republicans will blame when McCain loses in November? Probably all of us Conservatives who won’t bother supporting the McNut on his Global Warming McAmnesty bull.
Snake307 on May 12, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Hey, I wouldn’t mind losing the hardcore RINOS like Linc Chafee (who, thank God, is already gone) and Pataki…but at this point the “moderate” RINOS like McCain and Grahmnesty will have to be dealt with in house while we try to rebuild the party.
malan89 on May 12, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Can’t argue with that. My personal favorite “anything can happen” is that both the major candidates are abducted by Klingons.
MB4 on May 12, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Terry, maybe that’s what the republican party needs in order to come back to the conservative principles that used to win them elections.
I dont disagree that most of California has voted on the left for quite some time. Doesn’t mean I like it though.
Malan,sure Obama truly wants open borders! Why else would I be so worried about the life my daughters will end up leading no matter who wins!
Vntnrse on May 12, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Chafee was pretty lame.
But I have to say, most of the Republicans I know like Lindsay Graham just fine. People vote for these guys, they did not steal their seats.
In fact I read that someone was going to run against Graham and then it came out that the guy was associated with the Klan or something. I mean really, if that is the best his opponents can do then why blame him for getting reelected?
Terrye on May 12, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Speak for yourself only.
KSgop on May 12, 2008 at 9:20 PM
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