History re-written: Obama never said he would meet personally with Iran without precondition, says advisor; Update: Website excerpt added

posted at 3:58 pm on May 10, 2008 by Allahpundit

LGF nails them to the wall, but the Times’s complicity in this whitewash is actually even worse than Charles suggests. From today’s story:

Susan E. Rice, a former State Department and National Security Council official who is a foreign policy adviser to the Democratic candidate, said that “for political purposes, Senator Obama’s opponents on the right have distorted and reframed” his views. Mr. McCain and his surrogates have repeatedly stated that Mr. Obama would be willing to meet “unconditionally” with Mr. Ahmadinejad. But Dr. Rice said that this was not the case for Iran or any other so-called “rogue” state. Mr. Obama believes “that engagement at the presidential level, at the appropriate time and with the appropriate preparation, can be used to leverage the change we need,” Dr. Rice said. “But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level; that requires due preparation and advance work.”

Not only did the Prince of Peace say at the YouTube debate last July that he’d meet personally and without precondition with Iran, he reaffirmed that position in November in an interview with — ta da — the New York Times, a fact, incredibly, that’s omitted from today’s article. Memory lane:

Senator Barack Obama said he would “engage in aggressive personal diplomacy” with Iran if elected president, and would offer economic inducements and a possible promise not to seek “regime change” if Iran stopped meddling in Iraq and cooperated on terrorism and nuclear issues…

Making clear that he planned to talk to Iran without preconditions, Mr. Obama emphasized further that “changes in behavior” by Iran could possibly be rewarded with membership in the World Trade Organization, other economic benefits and security guarantees…

Mr. Obama’s willingness to conduct talks at the highest level with Iran … differs significantly from the Bush administration.

Here’s the video from the debate, but I encourage you to read the transcript — again, ironically, at the Times’s own site — of what Hillary and Silky said in response, just in case Team Barry tries spinning this. Everyone in the building, his opponents first and foremost, understood him to mean that he was willing to chat with Ahmadinejad et al. in person and without demands and His Holiness conspicuously failed to correct that impression. He’s tacking towards the center now that the nomination’s locked up by trying to sound a bit more hawkish and the media’s naturally happy to let him do it by not reminding him of old promises. Lots, lots, lots more to come in this vein over the next few months.

Update: Via one of our commenters, right off the guy’s own website:

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Obama naive and to wet behind the ears.

Chakra Hammer on May 10, 2008 at 4:02 PM

his inexperience is reckless and would do great harm the United States, if not get us all killed during the learning process.

Chakra Hammer on May 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Reagan spoke to them with 1000′s of missiles pointed at them!

Sheesh.. this guy is DUMB.

Chakra Hammer on May 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Prince of Peace

Heh

Valiant on May 10, 2008 at 4:06 PM

There was a later debate when he said it again. I think it was the one in Austin.

And his reason at that time was that the set a Presidential meeting up as a reward for good behavior reinforced the idea of “American exceptionalism.” I was stunned Hillary let the remark slide by, and I’m stunned to this day it’s gotten so little attention.

I’d love to hear someone–anyone–ask Barry if he really considers the US and Ahmadamnutjob’s Iran as on the same moral plane.

Typhoon on May 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM

How dare you criticize The Obamassiah, you are being divisive. Come January 23 it’ll be the reeducation camp a nice sit down heart to heart talk for you.

rbj on May 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Susan Rice….Stanford/Oxford…Kerry’s NS advisor. How’d that African peacekeeping council work out?

Another telling character in Obama’s army of hope and change.

Limerick on May 10, 2008 at 4:11 PM

When aske for a comment, Senator Obama stated
“Oh! You were talking about that Iran!?!”

Beto Ochoa on May 10, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Right back up the memory hole.

Vizzini on May 10, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Proof that the Venn Diagram of brains and common sense aren’t a unity set.

thirtypundit on May 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM

hey, he has to move to the center, he is in the General Election now

bnelson44 on May 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM

LOL.

Is the media really ready to throw away what’s left of their credibility? Did thier coverage of Iraq teach them nothing? Is the freefall in circulation not a clue?

Months of the media trying to spoon feed the public Obama’s crap only to be one upped by bloggers, who this election will have the power not to swing votes but to influence storylines, and thus make themselves less credible? Less profitable. More vulnerable to a generational change in television viewership when the babyboomers start to die? And worst of all for their chosen candidate, build up a distrust in the reporting on him and distrust in the candidate himself amongst the very people he needs to win the election…

Theworldisnotenough on May 10, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Now, now, we can’t blame Obama for his CHANGE in decision. CHANGE is the foundation of Obama’s campaign, remember?

Don’t forget this, or else!

Weebork on May 10, 2008 at 4:21 PM

I’m getting tired of these racist attacks on Obama. They’re a distraction from the real issues and they aren’t helping Faline’s kids.

Besides, Iran’s one of the 57 states. Shouldn’t Obama talk to its President the way FDR talked to Gorbachev?

misterpeasea on May 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM

AP has pointed out a lie by the Obama campaign. He must be a racist.

As for Charles Johnson, well…

jaime on May 10, 2008 at 4:28 PM

hey, he has to move to the center, he is in the General Election now

bnelson44 on May 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Sure, and the media, including the NYT, are in the general erection.

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Wow.

Just wow. Amateur hour.

SteveMG on May 10, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Sure, and the media, including the NYT, are in the general erection.

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Is that a thrill going up your leg, or are you just happy to see gaze upon Me?

misterpeasea on May 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Does “unconditionally” mean without conditions? I guess that’s not what he meant.

Steve McCullough on May 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Who you gonna believe: The Times or your lyin’ ears?!?

landlines on May 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Maybe if Obama becomes president, kids will get new history books every month or two. Will Rezko, Wright and Ayers be mentioned in th Great Encyclopedia of Hope and Change? I doubt it. All of satan’s distractions will be consigned to flame. If you have copies of Orwell you’d best hide them now.

snaggletoothie on May 10, 2008 at 4:42 PM

misterpeasea, I’ll leave the thrills to you. I’m a lady, and he doesn’t do anything for me, because his philosophy is pretty empty. I can’t stand Utopian fools.

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Sure, and the media, including the NYT, are in the general erection.

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Bwahahahaha!! You GO, girl!

techno_barbarian on May 10, 2008 at 4:50 PM

He’s said over and over again that he’s in favor of the new politics. Anything he said from a couple of months ago is obviously old politics by now. Get with the program, people – otherwise you won’t be able to keep up when President Obama’s pronouncements work down to a half-life measured in mere seconds.

CK MacLeod on May 10, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Running for President is haaaard, in this YouTube era. The old tricks don’t work anymore. I wonder if he slipped on a pair of jeans,…?

a capella on May 10, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Obama understands the contradictions, and would reject and denounce his prior statements, but he could no more disown himself that he could disown the entirety of the black community.

CK MacLeod on May 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Tomorrow, any mention of his past debate statements like meeting Iran without precondition will be labeled as a “smear”.

acleaver on May 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Completely unaccomplished.
Unqualified to run a 7-11, let alone the United States.
Marxist.
Surrounded by America-haters and terrorists.
Shamelessly dishonest.

Quite the resume you’ve got there, Barry.

ReubenJCogburn on May 10, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Tomorrow, any mention of his past debate statements like meeting Iran without precondition will be labeled as a “smear”.

acleaver on May 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM

And that will also be followed up with ‘distraction’. Never forget the ‘distraction’. The big O’s entire campaign has been nothing more than a distraction.

techno_barbarian on May 10, 2008 at 5:10 PM

The one thing that I find absolutely striking is the fact that despite the Democrats telling us how much smarter and sophisticated they are they still have not figured out that the age where they could bury shite like this is over.

They have not figured out that the only people who care about anything in the New York Times are themselves. Everyone else wouldn’t even wrap fish in it. They still have not figured out that the Internet era (which Al Gore invented, hehehe!) has killed their propaganda wing the MSM.

One would think that people who are supposedly so much more intelligent then all of us “redneck racist morons” would have figured this one out for themselves. The fact that these “rocket scientists” still haven’t figured this out is hilarious! A clue would cost them $10-$1 to buy the clue and $9 to pay someone to explain it to them.

Nahanni on May 10, 2008 at 5:12 PM

uh.. from Barack Obama’s Website.

Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.

Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.

Ripclawe on May 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM

This guy shares at least one character attribute with Bill Clinton . . . they’re both hopeless liars.

rplat on May 10, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Jimmy

Carter

Cicero43 on May 10, 2008 at 5:26 PM

1. Obama’s calculated entry into American politics drew on his associations with black liberationists, and other socialist radicals.
2. He is depending on his “blackness” to be a moral and political firewall against any criticism.
3. As Rev Wright made clear, this comes with a price. An Obama Presidency would be a racial flashpoint.
4. The Democrat Party has gerrymandered itself into a lose-lose noose. Hence these first attempts at rehab for Obama’s stupid statements.
5. Hillary Clinton would be a more formidable opponent against McCain but it’s not the girl’s turn. Democrat Politicians, not voters, rule.
6. I hope black voters do use their power to splinter the Dem. Party. Then, maybe, party racial politics can be exposed and rejected.
7. Disclaimer: I’m a white brain guy.

Randy

williars on May 10, 2008 at 5:28 PM

When was the last time Susan Rice met with Hamas?

Dusty on May 10, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Gee conservatives and middle of the road people like McCain need to really work on their listening skills.

Obama has never mis-spoke or said anything stupid. Apparently we just distorted and re-framed what we thoughtwe heard.

/sarc

F15Mech on May 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM

BTW, dredging up Obama’s old kissing up to Iran thing is a distraction from the important work of … kissing up to Hezbollah!

Dusty on May 10, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Dr. Susan E. Rice said,

“But nobody said [Obama] would initiate contacts at the presidential level; that requires due preparation and advance work.”

For a moment, put Obama’s own words aside to reflect on Rice’s point that nobody TOLD Obama to initiate contacts that require due preparation and advance work, neither of which Mr. Obama has begun to do. When Obama speaks off the cuff, you hear stoopid is as stoopid does.

In comes Dr. Rice with the wet mop. How convenient for Obama’s international adviser to be a “Dr. Rice” for the drive by reader to overlay reference coincidentally to Condi.

maverick muse on May 10, 2008 at 5:48 PM

F15Mech on May 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Ye ol’ Jedi trick is so stale that it makes no sense Obama’s camp would try it. The MSM are as stuck on stupid as Obama is stoopid. The only thing being pulled off is Obama’s “Favor Abel” mask.

maverick muse on May 10, 2008 at 5:54 PM

The Irony is, of course, these are the very same people who accuse Bush of being a Trickster

franksalterego on May 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM

And Colin Powell supports Obama’s foreign policy.

Nonfactor on May 10, 2008 at 6:41 PM

And Colin Powell supports Obama’s foreign policy.

Nonfactor on May 10, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Which one, the one where he said, video available, that he’d talk directly with Iran (his home page says that he’d do it “directly” and “unconditionally”), or the one he claims now? Clarify it for us dummies, Nonfactor.

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 6:46 PM

These people are scary as h@ll. Is the best the Dems have got…

d1carter on May 10, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Update: Via one of our commenters, right off the guy’s own website:

That’s funny!

Weight of Glory on May 10, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Sounds like he lost his bearings.

exhelodrvr on May 10, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Wow, the words about no conditions and personal diplomacy are on his own website.

If the American people elect this guy, they deserve whatever happens.

McCain can be a jerk, I admit it. But, c’mon, it’s not even close.

SteveMG on May 10, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Nahanni on May 10, 2008 at 5:12 PM

With all due respect, of course they know. They just don’t want to acknowledge what they know. Look at all the years of study and lying they’ve invested in becoming the frauds and shills that they are. What would they do now?

Hillary should pounce on this– that is if she’s still running for President, and not VP.

JiangxiDad on May 10, 2008 at 7:11 PM

And Colin Powell supports Obama’s foreign policy.

Nonfactor on May 10, 2008 at 6:41 PM

The old one or the new one that’s opposite to the old one?

Chuck Schick on May 10, 2008 at 7:17 PM

He was full of HOPE at the time, but Iran made things CHANGE.

SouthernGent on May 10, 2008 at 7:18 PM

What’s really funny is that a lot of people wouldn’t ever consider running for office because they wouldn’t want to say something really stupid and show their ignorance of important topics.

But Obama and McCain have proven that to be no longer much of an obstacle. It’s a shame Hillary succumbed to the siren song of Bill many years ago. She might have made a fine politician, if she wasn’t forced to push that socialism crap day in and day out (while at the same time trying to hide it) to stay in her party’s good graces.

Here’s a game. Which pol. would have made it bigger if they had played for the other team. I’ll start.
Hillary Clinton
Rudy Giuliani
Barak Obama

JiangxiDad on May 10, 2008 at 7:19 PM

JiangxiDad,

Bill Clinton
Colin Powell
Schwarzenegger
Bloomberg

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 7:26 PM

I don’t see how “due preparation and advance work” are the same as preconditions. Aren’t preconditions “Do this and this and we will meet with you”?

“precondition. n. A condition that must exist or be established before something can occur or be considered; a prerequisite.”

I don’t think he ever gave the impression that he was going to hop into a private jet to Tehran as soon as he finished giving his inaugural address. Where’s the contradiction?

Other commenters, let me know what I’m missing… as I’m sure you will.

Yoosaion on May 10, 2008 at 7:33 PM

Yoosaion, see the Update to the thread, from Obama’s own homepage.

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 7:42 PM

There goes Obama’s rhetorical advantage on the “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” thing.

John on May 10, 2008 at 7:43 PM

this changes nothing. preconditions or not this is a 180 degree shift to US foreign policy.

this is the sort of “nuanced” drivel the democrats are hoping to use to obfuscate the fact that they are still fundamentally seeking to alter a 30 plus year old policy with regard to the iranians exactly at a time when that nation is engaged in an increasingly overt war against us.

what happened to we shall not negotiate with terrorists and their enablers?

bush needs to pull the trigger on iran before he leaves. we may live to rue the day this happens but we are also going to rue the day the democrats dismantle US power and capitulate to our enemies before we even fire a shot.

elduende on May 10, 2008 at 7:47 PM

I can’t stand Obama. This guy gets away with anything. He is now Clinton of the 21st century in terms of the media covering his hide.

jencab on May 10, 2008 at 7:47 PM

I don’t see how “due preparation and advance work” are the same as preconditions

Aren’t “due preparations and advance work” laying out the conditions or limits on what will and won’t be discussed? I.e., preconditions.

There’s a rather lengthy history of these meetings involving heads of state going badly if the groundwork on what will be discussed isn’t specifically laid out. Otherwise, things just can careen out of control.

E.g., Vienna and JFK and Khrushchev.

I think Obama regrets making that statement (although I guess he needs to inform his webmaster).

SteveMG on May 10, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 7:42 PM

I read it… It just says no “preconditions” again. It doesn’t say that there won’t be “due preparation and advance work.” It doesn’t contradict the rest of the statement: “engagement at the presidential level, at the appropriate time and with the appropriate preparation, can be used to leverage the change we need.”

No preconditions doesn’t suggest to me no preparation or planning. Again, I fail to see the scandal here.

Yoosaion on May 10, 2008 at 7:51 PM

E.
Don’t know about Bill. How much higher could he have reached? Pope?
Colin Powell? Doesn’t even know which side he’s on.
Schwarzenegger. Can’t be Pres. Gov. of CA is pretty accomplished.
Bloomberg. Can’t be Pres. (Jewish). Mayor of NY is almost as good as Gov. of CA.

I just don’t think you’re any good at this game! How about Mitt?

JiangxiDad on May 10, 2008 at 8:00 PM

“due preparation and advance work.”

What do you think that phrase means? That they just plan for the hotel rooms and accomodations for the security and President?

I.e., logisitics?

Or do they mean the subject matter and issues that will be discussed?

It’s clear to me that in previous summitt or high level meetings between the President and other heads of state that those words meant the latter. E.g., content, subjects to be discussed, areas to be explored et cetera.

There’s a history of what those words mean.

SteveMG on May 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Making this shi’ite up as he goes along.

What a schmuck. And this guy is their nominee? God, please help this country.

spmat on May 10, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Typhoon on May 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM

I was also surprised that so many people let that remark pass by without commenting on it. Obama does not believe that America is an exceptional country?!? Perhaps that’s because he’s spent 20 years listening to his minister rant (and write) about how the U.S. is a criminal and genocidal nation, and a “cage” in which Africans are imprisoned.

If anybody hasn’t seen the Stanley Kurtz article on “Reverend” Wright in The Weekly Standard, you might want to give it a read. (The link is on the HA homepage). It’s pretty interesting. Wright is even more virulently racist and anti-American than his videotaped sermons indicate — and he’s left a paper trail.

Something else in that article that’s interesting: Kurtz says that Wright’s magazine, Trumpet, had an issue that featured Obama on the cover. Neither Trumpet’s publisher, nor Obama’s campaign, would provide a copy of the Obama interview that was featured in that issue. Seems a little odd that the Obamas wouldn’t have kept a copy of a magazine on which Obama was the cover-boy and the subject of the featured article. I wonder if there’s something in that interview that they want to hide?

AZCoyote on May 10, 2008 at 8:16 PM

What do you think that phrase means?

SteveMG on May 10, 2008 at 8:08 PM

As you mentioned, maybe partly logistics–but almost certainly not exclusively. Perhaps a discussion within his administration of possible strategies and goals. Perhaps some discussion with the Iranians about how best to use the discussion, i.e. what issues to focus on and a structure for the talks.

Basically, though, I don’t know exactly what it means, and I don’t know who does. I still don’t think it’s grounds for an accusation of re-writing history. Especially since it’s an adviser making the claim and not Obama himself. Just get a clarification from the candidate, and if he’s changed his tune on this in a significant way, then there’s cause for concern (particularly if it differs greatly from what is written on his own website). If not, then I’m sorry, but I don’t understand the controversy.

Yoosaion on May 10, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Changes
David Bowie

I still don’t know what I was waiting for
And my time was running wild
A million dead-end streets
Every time I thought I’d got it made
It seemed the taste was not so sweet
So I turned myself to face me
But I’ve never caught a glimpse
Of how the others must see the faker
I’m much too fast to take that test

Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Don’t want to be a richer man
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
(Turn and face the strain)
Ch-ch-Changes
Just gonna have to be a different man
Time may change me
But I can’t trace time

Shivas Irons on May 10, 2008 at 9:03 PM

JiangxiDad, Clinton could have been a great ex-president. Bloomberg can be president. Schwarzenegger can be Senator. I agree on Powell.

Entelechy on May 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Obama or McCain~~~~ we are doomed!

Bicyea on May 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Leaving aside the obvious busted lie on the “precondition” part, look at just how blatant this part of the lie is:

Obama’s website:

Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.

Obama surrogate today:

“But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level; that requires due preparation and advance work.”

So not only do his average supporters have no clue why they support him (as was repeatedly proven on Hannity & Colmes with the Luntz focus groups), but even his friggin’ policy advisers don’t know his positions!!!

RightWinged on May 10, 2008 at 10:48 PM

And Colin Powell supports Obama’s foreign policy.

Nonfactor on May 10, 2008 at 6:41 PM

So what? You a big fan of Colin Powell’s foreign policy pronouncements?

Well of course you are. Nuff said…

Jaibones on May 10, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Wow, economic pressure and political isolation to an Islamist thug sitting on barrels and barrels of oil.

Good plan Obama. I imagine those will both work well with a harshly worded letter.

What a pansy.

BKennedy on May 10, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Obama should have run four years from now. He just got in way too early.

indythinker on May 10, 2008 at 11:35 PM

New York Times “All The News That’s Fit To Print

and wrap fish with!

SilverStar830 on May 10, 2008 at 11:40 PM

Well Obama talks the talk,but wait till he has to go in the
cave and deal with the Killer Rabbit,the only outcome of that discussion is the rabbit will still be breathing!

Talking to Iran,Syria,North Korea!

This situation with these countries just didn’t happen,and
G-D only knows what the Liberal professors have taught Obama about their vision of history and the world!

Their has been so much death,and carnage under these Dictators,and the latest in your face festering is Iranian
goons helping and directly killing American Military soldiers in Irag,and yet both sides know it!

For Barrack Obama to step in and talk directly to liars and
murders is playing right into their hands,until Nuclear
programs stop,the sh-t distrubing in Irag,the Russian Roulette that Iranian speed(gunboats)are doing to the
oil commerce(oil freighters)and American Warships in the
straights of Hormuz!

And I hope Obama noticed the latest incursions of Bierut,
and Lebanon!

canopfor on May 10, 2008 at 11:44 PM

Only the Dhimmis could come up with a candidate this bad.

Things are looking up!

Mojave Mark on May 10, 2008 at 11:51 PM

The New York Times lies…. I knew that.

The New York Times ignores factual evidence to make a different point… I knew that too.

The New York Times ignores even their previous reporting and fails to show any consistency in their reporting or the “facts” that their stories are based on… Ok, they’re not even trying anymore, are they?

I didn’t expect quite this level of journalistic fraud and lack of integrity… am I really not cynical enough? that seems unlikely.

gekkobear on May 10, 2008 at 11:55 PM

The LIAR hopes you change your opinion of his LIES and believe.

(It’s all subliminal with Barry… or subcutaneous.)

profitsbeard on May 11, 2008 at 1:30 AM

Without precondition: I think this means that Barry would ignore, or not know at all, years of radical Islam insanity and hate towards the US. He already considers them an important ally. He would be creating the Obama foreign policy like he would during a game of Risk. This is crazy. His world is make-believe.

Without precondition: You are our friend, come inside, we have much to discuss

Without precondition: I’m not sure what it would take for us to consider you an enemy, so let’s talk about it.

Without precondition: Ok, so you think we are an aggressor that supports Israel and the Jews…but is that a bad thing? Let’s talk about it. You are entitled to your opinion.

Without precondition: The 57 states of America are behind you, unconditionally. Here’s some money, we have been ignoring you for too long.

benrand on May 11, 2008 at 2:52 AM

…a lying surrendercrat…who’da thunk it?

As for preconditions, the Liar says in the excerpt from his web site he would meet with Ammadinnerjacket “without preconditions”, then goes into spelling out conditions.

…and his supporters have deluded themselves into thinking he can win.

91Veteran on May 11, 2008 at 3:02 AM

Hmmm, Dr Susan Rice says Obama wouldn’t meet personally with a state-sponsor of terror. Obama (via vid) said he would. I guess Dr Rice hasn’t learned her lesson.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=susan_rice

“An American involved in the secret negotiations later will says, “I’ve never seen a brick wall like that before. Somebody let this slip up.… We could have dismantled his operations and put a cage on top. It was not a matter of arresting bin Laden but of access to information. That’s the story, and that’s what could have prevented September 11. I knew it would come back to haunt us.” [Village Voice, 10/31/2001]

Who was the wall? SecState Albright and Dr Susan Rice who was State Dept’s head of Africa. She didn’t want to have the Clinton Admin talk to a state sponsor of terror and turned down an inch and a half file on UBL, AQ, etc. Had it not been for her…
…well, you know the rest

scottm on May 11, 2008 at 7:58 AM

Well, if it’s good enough for the Hilldawg, It’s good enough for the Barack.

Reaps on May 11, 2008 at 9:09 AM

Right wing Bigots? Really the Major Networks?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/05/10/obamas-church-bulletin-networks-run-right-wing-bigots

Obama gonna throw his whole church under the bus United Trinity?

Dr Evil on May 11, 2008 at 10:54 AM

I may have to print this beauty and place it on my car’s bumper, as well as flood the neighborhood with copies.
H/T “The Corner”

onlineanalyst on May 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM

You have to realize that what you heard is not what he meant.

TooTall on May 11, 2008 at 11:46 AM

One might think that the Times would be even slightly tempted to look into past statements and consider them in the article, but alas no.

When the last light is turned off at the Times no one will weep.

drjohn on May 11, 2008 at 11:50 AM

I see the non-Christians are attacking the messiah again.

;)

aikidoka on May 11, 2008 at 11:56 AM

This is what happens when the media’s in love with you. You start to believe you can get away with anything.

Esthier on May 11, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Hmm, if memory serves…no Administration has spoken to, or had good relations with:

1. Iran since 1979
2. Cuba since 1959
3. Syria since 1967
4. North Korea since 1948

So why is everyone assuming Bush is the only one not getting along with these guys??? Dumb, but not surprising…

Miss_Anthrope on May 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Wow. Completely shamless. The problem won’t be finding an argument to swiftboat Obama. It will be paying for airtime to do it.

indythinker on May 11, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Hmm, if memory serves… no Administration has spoken to, or had good relations with:

1. Iran since 1979
2. Cuba since 1959
3. Syria since 1967
4. North Korea since 1948

Miss_Anthrope on May 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM

That will change if and when Obama becomes President. In my opinion he will warm up to many of these nations, in particular the Arabs, as a result it will place increased pressure on Israel to give up more of it’s land for the so-called peace process (which in reality is a smoke screen for the Arabs as their intentions are to destroy Israel).

apacalyps on May 11, 2008 at 1:55 PM

“Yes, yes he did” is their new slogan.

Obama hopes you won’t notice he keeps changing his story.

And how did we get into a position where our major media outlets habitually lie to us and don’t even snipe at each other over the fact? Let’s face it, the MSM has become a Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Operation, we need a “break-up” of the leftist monopoly in media.

The problem is that it’s a “cradle-to-grave” monopoly, with J-schools dominated by leftist professors sending their favorites off with high honors to run the big media outlets.

And the result is the absolute dreck they try to feed us every day. They get caught in lies on a LITERALLY daily basis, and yet they carry on… because for many people, there’s little alternative.

I won’t say the “old days” gave us any more honesty in reporting – but then maybe it did, because the “old guard” papers used to criticize each other – when’t the last time CBS took a shot at CNN for lying? Or WaPo at the NYT?

Merovign on May 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM

From Michael Goldfarb at the Weekly Standard blog:

With regard to Obama’s sudden climbdown, if that’s what it is, from earlier pledges to meet directly with the leaders of Iran, Syria, and North Korea during his first year in office, I just cracked the new issue of the Atlantic and see that Matthew Yglesias has a piece titled “The Accidental Foreign Policy.” No link as it’s not yet available online, but the timing of the piece is inconvenient, to say the least. Yglesias lavishly praises Obama for sticking with his commitment, made in the July 2007 YouTube debate, to meet face to face with the leaders of rogue states.

Quisp on May 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM

I may have to print this beauty and place it on my car’s bumper, as well as flood the neighborhood with copies.
H/T “The Corner”

onlineanalyst on May 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Oh my. That’s a perfect rebuttal. I can see it in a debate between Obama and McCain.

Too bad McCain won’t use it. Maybe one of those eeevil 527s will.

misterpeasea on May 11, 2008 at 6:03 PM

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