RushBaby on May 9, 2008 at 12:10 PM

If it makes you feel any better, I wont call you a RINO like I had to listen to you snide-ass “true conservatives” call me for 10 years.

Redhead Infidel on May 9, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Didnt he back Buchannan in 1992? Did alot of good there…

Why does everyone thing of the Nazis are right-wing?
1) pro-abortion

They weren’t pro-abortion. It was illegal for German and Austrian women to abort their babies. They allowed abortion for the peolples of the countries they conquered which is something entirely different.

2) gun control

The Myth of Nazi Gun Control

3) big gov’t

Quite right. National socialism was organised around a huge government which was sustained by an expanding war economy. FDR liked this idea so much he swiped it for himself.

4) no free speech or assembly

Yup.

5) persecutors of right-wing Christians

The Nazis persecited Christians because they were Christian not because of their political affiliation.

Hillary will not have a snowball’s chance in 2012. She’ll be 64, and 4 more years of aging won’t be kind to her. Trust me on this.

fossten on May 9, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Very true. However, SHE believes she’s entitled to this job and since she believes it, she will act on it.

Redhead Infidel on May 9, 2008 at 11:28 AM

I have said this all along, she is the nightmare, not Obama.

Obama is easy to beat, her on the other hand, I’m not so sure.

Redhead Infidel on May 9, 2008 at 10:39 AM

That’s why conservatives, not moderates, are the RINOs today.

I have a feeling Patrick has made use of cheap labor as most “Republicans” that support amnesty have. “Screw the sovereignty of our country as long as I make my buck” should be the new mission statement of the new and improved Republican party.

And Patrick your statement about “losing” the blacks is laughable. Tell me how the Dem’s really “WON” the blacks and then honestly tell me that the Republicans should have done the same thing?

Your arguments lend me to believe that you have not followed politics for very long.

Hillary will not have a snowball’s chance in 2012. She’ll be 64, and 4 more years of aging won’t be kind to her. Trust me on this.

fossten on May 9, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Very true. However, SHE believes she’s entitled to this job and since she believes it, she will act on it.

Redhead Infidel on May 9, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Agreed on that. I made the point a few weeks ago that “Operation Chaos” is as much about Rush rehabilitating his reputation as a power broker as it was about making sure Hillary’s campaign survives into the summer. With the media railing about Limbaugh corrupting the primary system now, all those stories in February about his impotence in the political process might as well have been written in 1992.

In the period between Iowa and South Carolina, Rush flirted around the edges at coming out for Fred Thompson, but for whatever reason (ratings?) had feet of clay in coming out and actually saying what he wanted to happen, in hopes that the conservative voters would do the right thing on their own and coalesce around his preferred candidates ideologically (Thompson, with Romney the second option). So he can grumble about McCain all he wants right now, but until I hear him say he was wrong for not endorsing Fred or Mitt, or someone else back in December or January, it’s hard not to see a certain lack of introspection in his hostility.

On the other side, I don’t think McCain has yet figured out fully how much crap he’s going to get once the big media folks who have their guns trained on Hillary right now start pointing them in his direction because they think he’s trying to take their boyfriend away (my guess is for people complaining about how “trivial” the questions to Obama were in the ABC Pennsylvania debate, we’ll be hearing about McCain’s opposition to a Martin Luther King Jr. holiday in Arizona in the late 1980s this fall pretty much on a 24/7 basis). Until his moment of media-love clarity occurs, I expect more tactical schmoozing of the major dailies and TV networks that drives conservatives bonkers, but I also hope that by the time the DNC convention is over in August, he’s figured out both who he needs to keep happy during the general election, and that he needs to keep the promises he’s making now if he does win election.

That’s why she’ll hang in there and undermine Obama for as long as she can. Clinton’s 2012 ambitions, and her political machinations to lay that foundation by torpedoing Obama, are McCain’s only hope of winning this year. He damn well knows this, too, which is why he won’t attack either Dems. He’ll let Hillary do the dirty work, she’s good at it.

Redhead Infidel on May 9, 2008 at 10:39 AM

+1

If you believe Rush Limbaugh is having a major impact with “Operation Chaos”, then you have to assume he could have had a major impact in the Republican primary if he had picked a candidate early, in order to stop McCain from getting the nomination. But he didn’t until after South Carolina, when he and others on the right went scrambling onto the Romney bandwagon. But by then it was too late, and big media outlets were running stories for the next few weeks saying how the right wing had lost its power to influence anyone … at least until they started influencing the Democratic primary.

Jon, I absolutely do believe this (as I said here at 8:56). I called it Rush’s epic mistake, and one he may pay for with his career.

I also agree that there are a few more bombs to fall between now and Election day. If I were Obama, I’d be very, very nervous, because I don’t believe Clinton has deployed her nuclear option yet. As for McCain, I’m sure there will be plenty of stuff to shake out about him too. We’ll see where it all lands come November.

McCain has a chance to shore up some of his eroded voter base by picking a smart VP. I have little confidence in his desire to do so, but that right there is the end game of his campaign for many.

We’ll see what we shall see…

I have no interest in “punishing” the Republican Party. I have no interest in the Republican Party at all, until they show they are willing to actually stand for the beliefs they espouse – small government, lower taxes, more freedom. I have watched both parties closely for the last twenty years. While their differences in rhetoric are vast, their differences in action are minuscule.

I will not “punish” a party. I simply will not willingly participate in a system that has time and time again only rewarded those interested in moving us further towards a socialist and totalitarian regime.

I do not expect perfection. But I will not reward betrayal, either.

[Emph. mine]

This wraps up the entire conservative independent political identity into two kick-a$$ paragraphs.

fossten on May 9, 2008 at 8:57 AM

Redhead Infidel on May 9, 2008 at 8:59 AM

If you believe Rush Limbaugh is having a major impact with “Operation Chaos”, then you have to assume he could have had a major impact in the Republican primary if he had picked a candidate early, in order to stop McCain from getting the nomination. But he didn’t until after South Carolina, when he and others on the right went scrambling onto the Romney bandwagon. But by then it was too late, and big media outlets were running stories for the next few weeks saying how the right wing had lost its power to influence anyone … at least until they started influencing the Democratic primary.

The fact is by splitting the vote between Romney and Huckabee, and Tancredo, and Hunter, and even to some extent with Giuliani, conservative (non-Ron Paulian) Republicans have no one else but themselves to blame for allowing McCain to slip through and get the nomination. But to say you’re going to take your ball and go home in early May on an election in early November is a little premature. McCain’s campaign may prove to be a pandering to the media train wreck that, like Bob Dole, doesn’t figure out that the press doesn’t love him any more until it’s too late. On the other hand, there may be a lot more shoes left to fall about Barak Obama and the people who support him while McCain actually does run a decent general election campaign, though everyone will have to judge for themselves if any promises McCain makes to conservatives are true or not (in the same way some conservatives thought GWB was lying in 2000 when he said he would never raise taxes, because his dad lied in 1988).

If you don’t want to vote for McCain, don’t vote for him — early voting doesn’t start for 5 1/2 months, so there’s a lot of stuff that will show up on both sides between now and then. But if you don’t like President Obama’s Supreme Court choices or his foreign policy, pointing the finger at McCain for the next four years isn’t going to make it better.

You misinterpret criticism of McCain as support for Obama. I would never in my lifetime vote for Obama.

You also make the mistake of assuming McCain is already the nominee. He’s not.

After the convention, I will support and vote for the Republican nominee as long as it is a pure Republican ticket. If there is a split Republican/Democrat ticket on our side, all bets are off. I will not vote for Democrat VP.

Don’t expect me to support McCain before the convention. And don’t tell me I’m giving aid & comfort to the enemy by not supporting a “presumptive” nominee. McCain did a good acting job in the videos above, but this is the John McCain a lot of us know:

In 2000, McCain called evangelical Christian leaders “agents of intolerance” and then later affirmed the anti-Christian views on “Hardball” with Chris Matthews, saying, “I must not and will not retract anything that I said in that speech at Virginia Beach. It was carefully crafted, it was carefully thought out.”

McCain, Clinton, and Obama all despise the “far right”.

The way McCain set up and knocked down Bill Cunningham in this election was typical underhanded McCain behavior.

The way McCain no-showed two debates in February because he didn’t want to give his competitor an opportunity to expose him (as Hillary did in her last debate with Obama), was typical underhanded McCain behavior.

I will run a respectful campaign

-John McCain in video above

I don’t think that what McCain did here was respectful at all.

Red Pill
McCain is a decent, thoughtful, sincere, mostly conservative guy who has had a few bad ideas in his career. Yet some think he’s a leftist monster like Mao or Castro.
jgapinoy on May 8, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I’m not the one who brought up Mao. You and McCain did. McCain quoted Mao in the first video. I don’t think a Presidential candidate should do that, even in jest.

if you’re going to argue against McCain, at least offer up a better rational, like he’ll be so wishy-washy in office he’ll be rolled by the media and put the Republicans in an even worse position in 2012, because he’ll delay the needed reforms in the party and its leadership in Washington.

jon1979 on May 9, 2008 at 8:35 AM

I’ve since this and plenty more very rational and convincing arguments against McCain. Everywhere.

if you’re going to argue against McCain, at least offer up a better rational, like he’ll be so wishy-washy in office he’ll be rolled by the media and put the Republicans in an even worse position in 2012, because he’ll delay the needed reforms in the party and its leadership in Washington. But don’t say he’s the mirror image of Obama or Hillary because you’re only preaching to the converted with that explanation.

jon1979 on May 9, 2008 at 8:35 AM

Okay, I accept your reason for not voting for him. But I’m still not voting for him. Happy?

Maxx on May 8, 2008 at 11:40 PM

I agree with your take on talk radio 100%. Conservative blogs and talk radio – the alternative media – could’ve had much more influence had they worked together (like herding cats, right?) toward a conservative agenda. Instead, they accepted the narrative as posed by Big Media – that only certain candidates were contenders and the rest were “also-rans”.

That was the epic mistake. The alternative media should NEVER have allowed the Liberal Media to define this race – and they did. They followed along – with scintillating commentary, no doubt, – but never deviated from the narrow path the Media set.

Sure, talk radio interviewed the other conservative candidates here and there, but in their everyday punditry, only the chosen few were ever accepted as (and I hate this word with a passion) “electable”.

Talk radio missed an historic opportunity to become something more than just pundits, following along with the news as the Liberal Media crafted it. Rush has since tried – but it was far too little way too late. He has always had a policy of not endorsing a candidate before the nomination – and he blew his chance to really become a driving force in a conservative surge by endorsing early, and influencing his audience of millions. Same with Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity (too busy carrying water for Giuliani), Glenn Beck (came around mid-race for Romney), and the late night guys – Levin, Savage, etc. By far, though, Rush had the most influence to spend, and he may pay for his mistake with his career – when the Fairness Doctrine passes. They all will.

So any anger or finger pointing needs to be accompanied by some introspection by the “Anybody but McCain” crowd, which to this day still can’t agree on who would have been the best compromise nominee. And saying they won’t vote for McCain in November because he’s is no different from Barak Obama of Hillary sounds like the whinings of a spoiled child — if you’re going to argue against McCain, at least offer up a better rational, like he’ll be so wishy-washy in office he’ll be rolled by the media and put the Republicans in an even worse position in 2012, because he’ll delay the needed reforms in the party and its leadership in Washington. But don’t say he’s the mirror image of Obama or Hillary because you’re only preaching to the converted with that explanation.

Sigh.

We’re also smart enough to know the anti-immigration crowd has already lost the debate. McCain winning while courting the Hispanic vote is better than McCain losing by courting the anti-immigrant vote. Driving the immigrants into the arms of the left is a prescription for a permanent Republican minority, and no amount of kicking and fighting will change that. Hispanics are religious, pro life, pro family, pro gun, pro hard work and pro school choice. We need to bring them into the tent, not lock them out.

Patrick H on May 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Your post is wrong. Let me count the ways.

1. You refer to them as immigrants, when in fact they are illegal aliens. Until you recognize that there is a difference, your entire premise is wrong.
2. McCain courting racist groups like La Raza is a slap in the face to legal immigrants everywhere, and they know it.
3. You obviously are ignorant about the political demographics of Hispanic voters – they are NOT conservative, otherwise McCain would be better served to court his conservative base and oppose illegal immigration.
4. By “bringing them into the tent” he is locking out conservatives who genuinely fear being overrun with tens of millions of illegals who are already straining our economies to the breaking point. And yes, he is alienating his base by calling us racists and lying directly to our faces.

I so wish that it could have been Thompson.

Mojave Mark on May 9, 2008 at 1:01 AM

It’s time for McCain to hang up the “Maverick” and take on a posse. It was too staged for much comfort seeing McCain toting Fred on the “Judicial” speech. Exactly WHO ALL stands with McCain’s presidency–official advisors, Cabinet nominees, etc. Conservative leaders may think McCain is the kiss of death. That he stays a loner in the Grand Ol’ Party isn’t going to help him.