They don’t actually believe Barry or Hilly, I hope.

Just because millions of naive dupes here do, I thought EU’rs were supposed to be more sophisticated politically?

Ed the way you refer to “Europe” singularly like a person as in “Steve may have second thoughts” is completely nonsensical. Its a continent of 500 million people. Geez!

aengus on May 8, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Except that he was referring to the views of an EU trade commissioner, who does have a reasonable claim to ’speak for Europe’ (even if he doesn’t necessarily reflect the views of all EU governments, and has no standing over non-EU countries).

Democrats accuse the Bush administration of being the incarnation of Herbert Hoover on economics, but ironically champion the same kind of blindness that led Hoover to turn a possibly containable financial collapse into the Great Depression.

FDR ran on a great idea in 1931, repeal Smoot-Haley. Of course he lied. That wasn’t repealed until later and he compounded the problem with his many socialist schemes. He and Hoover are jointly parents of the depression.

On the other hand, most of our major manufacturing jobs have going to China. I understand if we had a more friendly tax system, most of those jobs would come back. Yet, you never hear anyone say anything about that fact.

And then there’s been a lot said of the “blue collar” worker. Well, construction used to be the number one blue collar job. Here in Georgia, all of the construction and lawn care industry has been taken over by illegals. I haven’t heard any of the candidates talk about this either.

So, I think all the candidates suck.

Europeans love to rail against US fascists (Republicans) but have generally benefited from lower expenditures in defense and freer trade. While bad mouthing America never goes out of vogue, Europeans have tended to elect more conservatives, pro American leaders, as evidenced by the most recent election of Boris Johnson in London. SOphisticated people may upbraid US conservatives but they clearly know which side their bread is buttered.

Clinton and Obama are the clear anti-Bush. But it is not at all clear that the rest of the world means what it says when the reality of economic populism, timid foreign policies and inexperienced leadership are the clear alternatives.

moxie_neanderthal on May 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM

You’ve completely missed the point. “Europe” (not incl. Britian or Ireland here) follows America but there is a time lag.

The last time lots of European conservative leaders had been elected was in 1986 after six years of Reagan who was very popular in Europe by the time he left office, the hoi polloi notwithstanding.

By the time Bill Clinton left office in 2000 after eight years of office European leaders were mostly liberal bastards. If Obama serves two terms then by 2011 European leaders will all be socialists/liberals. Do you get what I’m saying?

Obviously its not as totally cut and dried as I am presenting it here but this is the general trend.

After several years of openly pushing Americans for a change in Washington, Europe may have second thoughts,

Openly pushing for a change in Washington? Like when? Ed the way you refer to “Europe” singularly like a person as in “Steve may have second thoughts” is completely nonsensical. Its a continent of 500 million people. Geez!

Clinton and Obama are the clear anti-Bush. But it is not at all clear that the rest of the world means what it says when the reality of economic populism, timid foreign policies and inexperienced leadership are the clear alternatives.

Democracy is way over rated. And voting in America isn’t now how it was intended as a privilege not a right.

ThackerAgency on May 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM

ThackerA, you need to sit by me for a while. You’re getting out of control, lately. We are not a democracy. Your vote counts, and everybody else’s does too. For the liberals even the dead people’s votes count. That’s why they oppose identification so much. Wake up!

Who cares? Your vote is worth zero.

Really? Have you forgotten Florida 2000?

Mr. Hand!

Democracy is way over rated. And voting in America isn’t now how it was intended as a privilege not a right.

ThackerAgency on May 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM

I have felt the same, and said so, as recently as today on another thread. However, just as Liberalism leads to socialism/communism and the loss of “freedom,” this voting argument from me and you and others on the right leads to the same. There is no getting around it. Democracy works best, I guess, in an ethnically/culturally homogeneous society. I think that is also pretty much true for any ideology. Look how well, relatively speaking, socialism works in Scandinavia. You can be sure it wouldn’t work nearly as well here. Perhaps like capitalism, democracy is a lousy system, but the best one out there. I have no answers. It seems our system is self-limiting.

“What Hillary or Obama will do won’t be able to be undone, because the hands of time do not move backward.”

Thank you! I have been trying to make people understand this but too many people want the Carter to Reagan scenario to repeat itself. You can’t go back in time to undo the catastrophic devastation that BO or Hitlary would cause to this country with both houses of Congress in their pocket. And with the Supreme Court in play that would take a generation to fix, we cannot allow it to happen. Punishing the RINOs is not what’s at stake. It is the very existence of America. BO is a total Socialist who is completely unqualified and unprepared to be in the position. This country would suffer beyond our worst fears.

STOP HIM!!!!

America wants CHANGE? Let them have it I say. I’m tired of sticking up for and trying to educate the fatally stupid.

There are some teachers who look the other way on truancy. It’s a little game you both play. They pretend they don’t see you; you pretend you don’t ditch. Now who pays the price later? You do!

Democracy is way over rated. And voting in America isn’t now how it was intended as a privilege not a right.

As if trade wars never alienated allies or made people dislike the U.S.!

I meant for you to post this until Nov. 2008, please.

Please post this in every appropriate thread.

Three words: Supreme Court Justices.

Amen.

JustTruth101 on May 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Very true. Plus I just cannot bring myself to vote for either Obama or Clinton nor can I afford to stay home.