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Even Europe gets nervous over Obama, Hillary

posted at 11:59 am on May 8, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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After several years of openly pushing Americans for a change in Washington, Europe may have second thoughts, especially on trade. The EU’s trade commissioner has kept watch on the campaign rhetoric from Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and sees disaster on the horizon. Peter Mandelson told the BBC that the protectionist policies of both campaigns would be a disaster for the global economy:

Peter Mandelson, European trade commissioner, has said the protectionist stances taken by the US presidential candidates risk taking the world trading system back by decades.

In an interview with the BBC’s Hardtalk programme to be broadcast on Thursday, Mr Mandelson said: “It is irresponsible to be pretending to people you can erect new protection, new tariff barriers around your economy in this 21st century global age and still succeed in sustaining peoples’ living standards and jobs. It is a mirage and they know it.”

Mr Mandelson declined to say which candidates he had in mind, but the context made it clear he was referring to Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama “You match the rhetoric. I am not going to do that.”

Both Democrats have raced to the populist Left after John Edwards flamed out of the race, and their rhetoric centers on a new isolationism. Democrats accuse the Bush administration of being the incarnation of Herbert Hoover on economics, but ironically champion the same kind of blindness that led Hoover to turn a possibly containable financial collapse into the Great Depression. His protectionist policies, intended to protect American jobs, instead melted down the entire global economy as nations quickly erected their own barriers of tariffs in response.

Mandelson sees the same result coming from just the threat of implementing tariffs and barriers. It forces nations to position themselves for American economic hostility, which reduces capital investment here and abroad. Mandelson says that the rhetoric from Obama and Hillary could set back trade relations by decades, especially if one of them wins the election.

Many people assume that the Democrats will become less protectionist in the general election. In fact, Obama’s adviser Austan Goolsbee made a trek to the Canadian consulate in Chicago to assure Georges Rioux that Obama was just engaging in some election-season pandering and didn’t want to renegotiate NAFTA. Obama had to distance himself from Goolsbee and insist that he was telling voters the truth on the stump. That sounds like we will get a lot more NAFTA dancing and attacks on trade agreements in the fall, and actual protectionism if Obama wins the general election. Mandelson will find himself busy with damage containment, and not looking forward to it now.


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Yes but in Obama logic, electing idiots like himself and Hillary to run the US forces the rest of the world to get smarter…..and that’s his plan all along.

Hening on May 8, 2008 at 12:02 PM

into the Great Depression

Ed do you really see it happening? I would hate to think that it would come to that again!

upinak on May 8, 2008 at 12:03 PM

But at the same time, aren’t the Duplicitous Demagogic Democrats promising to make the rest of the world LOVE us again? (As if they ever did).

And, it’s not just the price of oil that’s going to change peoples spending habits, but the possibility of extremely high taxes next year that might make you pause on buying that new luxury item that you want, but don’t need.

My wife works part time in DoD, and she’s already expecting to get laid off if BO wins in Nov.

kirkill on May 8, 2008 at 12:06 PM

funny that Hollywood hasn’t picked up on this.

bnelson44 on May 8, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Democrats accuse the Bush administration of being the incarnation of Herbert Hoover on economics, but ironically champion the same kind of blindness that led Hoover to turn a possibly containable financial collapse into the Great Depression.

You should read the “dude where is my recession” series on instapundit.

lorien1973 on May 8, 2008 at 12:08 PM

BO is trying to be a populist to the world.

I will vote for McCain, because we don’t need 4 years of Liberty erosion.

kirkill on May 8, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Disclaimer: I’m voting McCain, and trying to win all I can to support him.

But I live a comfortable life and work in a recession proff industry.

So if the American people want to see just how fantastic CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE to SOCIALISM! POPULISM! GET WHITEY! F*CK THE RICH! I for one would like them to get what’s coming to them for being so STUPID.

The only people I will feel sorry for are those who I currently feel sorry for: current and former inner city kids who are being screwed out of maximizing their potential. And the one thing that CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE won’t get them is a better education, because they have no political power and the ONLY people who care for them are me and like-minded private citizens who actually do things to benefit them.

I used to feel sorry for hard-working Moms and Dads just trying to make ends meet who get screwed by politicians with lies then vote for them while they steal food out of their kids mouths, but you know what? Those Moms and Dads VOTE for those tools, so they deserve what they get.

America wants CHANGE? Let them have it I say. I’m tired of sticking up for and trying to educate the fatally stupid.

JustTruth101 on May 8, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Yeah, despite what the Democrats keep blathering about, we’re not fully into a recession yet – unemployment is around 5.1% the economy is still going strong … But their policies could certainly change all that :P

apollyonbob on May 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Europe might also get a bit queasy regarding Obama’s intent to gut U.S. military spending. No more protective umbrella paid for by America.

a capella on May 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Europe is becomming the cult member who wakes up and tries to talk sense into the new recruits, to no avail.

They tread into extreme liberal waters, get bit a few times by the wildlife and try to swim back shore. America really needs to wake up and watch Erupoe before we try to swim too far out as well.

Grafted on May 8, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Obama and Hillary are the worst of the worst. A plea to republicans: Do you want a turn for socialism or would you rather have McCain? Let’s be realistic: McCain is a conservative, but with certain quirks that differ from the platform of the republican base. But we can all agree he is great on spending and the war. We have to think about the men and women overseas who depend on us to vote for a commander-in-chief that will serve them well. McCain is the man for that.

jencab on May 8, 2008 at 12:19 PM

I’m torn. Do we eat 4 years of crud, get all of our savings in order, get all of our dental work done this year and let the Dems get the blame for the worst 4 years of the 21st century, or do we vote for McCain where it may not be as bad but will still be bad and let the GOP get the blame? Reagan came about out of the Carter presidency debaucle. I seriously don’t know what would be better. Could Obama or Clinton’s 4 years of damage be undone? If McCain does his moderate wheeling and dealing, and we come out only slightly better, what good does that do for conservatism in the long term? Scary any way you cut it.

foxforce91 on May 8, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Europe might also get a bit queasy regarding Obama’s intent to gut U.S. military spending. No more protective umbrella paid for by America.

a capella on May 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Good point…in addition to all the US libtards screaming about what terrorists WE are for locking up REAL terrorists in Gitmo, send them back to their HOME countries, and let European/ME fools feel the pain for a little while without being able to use the good old reliable USA to protect them.

JustTruth101 on May 8, 2008 at 12:21 PM

His protectionist policies, intended to protect American jobs, instead melted down the entire global economy as nations quickly erected their own barriers of tariffs in response.

I once tried to explain tariffs to my lib friends (back during the steele tariff debate) … their eyes glazed over, they yawned, etc, lefties don’t understand this kind of talk because they are right-brain dominate … Try explaining THAT to your lib friends!

Tony737 on May 8, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Mark my words, neither Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton will do anything they claim they are going to do. Neither will significantly change NAFTA, or impose any new trade restrictions. This is just rhetoric, that their voters like to hear, but don’t understand what it means anyway.

When they real-estate market bottoms out and people start investing again, we will see the currently inflated oil and food prices drop, and the economy recovers naturally, Obama or Clinton will take credit for it, and just spout out the same populist rhetoric as the reason, and their devotees will just eat it up.

Jimmy the Dhimmi on May 8, 2008 at 12:22 PM

I don’t know why Europe is so nervous, they can set up their own “patriotic corporations”. I’m sure Russia and Child will get in that “patriotic corporation” biz too. Then we’ll all wuw each other and praise marx till eternity.

I would hope it would. But, basically it says that if you play by the rules, if you pay decent wages, health benefits, pension; do your production here; don’t resist unionization on neutral card check

McCain must make this union card check an issue. The dems and their union thugs are trying to take away secret ballot voting. While you’re at it, lets talk about Obama and the teamsters.

ninjapirate on May 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM

foxforce91 on May 8, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Vote McCain. We are still paying for Carter’s damage…what he did in the middle east cannot be undone. What Hillary or Obama will do won’t be able to be undone, because the hands of time do not move backward.

Vote McCain and at least you can say you tried to stop it. America, the world for that matter, is not prepared for what will happen under an Obama presidency at such a crucial time in world history. You do NOT want to be able to blame yourself in any way for is going to happen.

JustTruth101 on May 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM

foxforce91 on May 8, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Three words: Supreme Court Justices.
That’s why you cannot consider letting the Dems ruin the country (and get blamed) for the next 4 years. A Reganesque President in 2012 could not undo that disaster.

HawaiiLwyr on May 8, 2008 at 12:27 PM

JustTruth101 on May 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Very true. Plus I just cannot bring myself to vote for either Obama or Clinton nor can I afford to stay home.

foxforce91 on May 8, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Europe wants their “black Kennedy” and not what he stands for?

Entelechy on May 8, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Three words: Supreme Court Justices.

Amen.

foxforce91 on May 8, 2008 at 12:31 PM

JustTruth101 on May 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Please post this in every appropriate thread.

Entelechy on May 8, 2008 at 12:31 PM

JustTruth101 on May 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM

I meant for you to post this until Nov. 2008, please.

Entelechy on May 8, 2008 at 12:35 PM

The Democrats already blocked a free-trade agreement with Colombia, no?

xyan on May 8, 2008 at 12:37 PM

I’ve been puzzled about this since 2004. Kerry wanted to “restore our standing in the world,” but picked a rank protectionist as his running mate.

As if trade wars never alienated allies or made people dislike the U.S.!

DrSteve on May 8, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Who cares? Your vote is worth zero. You’d have more rights if you were an illegal alien, and you’d get more attention from any of these candidates. The bottom line is that they all want to spend your money inefficiently. The only thing that all of them want to do is spend your money. Pick one, that one will spend your money and give you nothing for it. . . not even an American flag.

Democracy is way over rated. And voting in America isn’t now how it was intended as a privilege not a right.

ThackerAgency on May 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM

America wants CHANGE? Let them have it I say. I’m tired of sticking up for and trying to educate the fatally stupid.

There are some teachers who look the other way on truancy. It’s a little game you both play. They pretend they don’t see you; you pretend you don’t ditch. Now who pays the price later? You do!

mymanpotsandpans on May 8, 2008 at 1:01 PM

JustTruth101 on May 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM

“What Hillary or Obama will do won’t be able to be undone, because the hands of time do not move backward.”

Thank you! I have been trying to make people understand this but too many people want the Carter to Reagan scenario to repeat itself. You can’t go back in time to undo the catastrophic devastation that BO or Hitlary would cause to this country with both houses of Congress in their pocket. And with the Supreme Court in play that would take a generation to fix, we cannot allow it to happen. Punishing the RINOs is not what’s at stake. It is the very existence of America. BO is a total Socialist who is completely unqualified and unprepared to be in the position. This country would suffer beyond our worst fears.

STOP HIM!!!!

libhater on May 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Democracy is way over rated. And voting in America isn’t now how it was intended as a privilege not a right.

ThackerAgency on May 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM

I have felt the same, and said so, as recently as today on another thread. However, just as Liberalism leads to socialism/communism and the loss of “freedom,” this voting argument from me and you and others on the right leads to the same. There is no getting around it. Democracy works best, I guess, in an ethnically/culturally homogeneous society. I think that is also pretty much true for any ideology. Look how well, relatively speaking, socialism works in Scandinavia. You can be sure it wouldn’t work nearly as well here. Perhaps like capitalism, democracy is a lousy system, but the best one out there. I have no answers. It seems our system is self-limiting.

JiangxiDad on May 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM

There are some teachers who look the other way on truancy. It’s a little game you both play. They pretend they don’t see you; you pretend you don’t ditch. Now who pays the price later? You do!

Mr. Hand!

Tony737 on May 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM

They better be scared.

LtE126 on May 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Who cares? Your vote is worth zero.

Really? Have you forgotten Florida 2000?

Buy Danish on May 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM

It would be nice if the American press noticed that Obama is a flat-out isolationist.

JM Hanes on May 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Democracy is way over rated. And voting in America isn’t now how it was intended as a privilege not a right.

ThackerAgency on May 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM

ThackerA, you need to sit by me for a while. You’re getting out of control, lately. We are not a democracy. Your vote counts, and everybody else’s does too. For the liberals even the dead people’s votes count. That’s why they oppose identification so much. Wake up!

Entelechy on May 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM

“Peter Mandelson told the BBC etc” – the problem with this story is Peter Mandelson. If Peter Mandelson says a thing, my natural instinct is to oppose that thing; he is the very model of the opportunistic Sir Humphrey Appleby type, with added foppishness.

Apeking on May 8, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Europeans love to rail against US fascists (Republicans) but have generally benefited from lower expenditures in defense and freer trade. While bad mouthing America never goes out of vogue, Europeans have tended to elect more conservatives, pro American leaders, as evidenced by the most recent election of Boris Johnson in London. SOphisticated people may upbraid US conservatives but they clearly know which side their bread is buttered.

Clinton and Obama are the clear anti-Bush. But it is not at all clear that the rest of the world means what it says when the reality of economic populism, timid foreign policies and inexperienced leadership are the clear alternatives.

moxie_neanderthal on May 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM

After several years of openly pushing Americans for a change in Washington, Europe may have second thoughts,

Openly pushing for a change in Washington? Like when? Ed the way you refer to “Europe” singularly like a person as in “Steve may have second thoughts” is completely nonsensical. Its a continent of 500 million people. Geez!

aengus on May 8, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Europeans love to rail against US fascists (Republicans) but have generally benefited from lower expenditures in defense and freer trade. While bad mouthing America never goes out of vogue, Europeans have tended to elect more conservatives, pro American leaders, as evidenced by the most recent election of Boris Johnson in London. SOphisticated people may upbraid US conservatives but they clearly know which side their bread is buttered.

Clinton and Obama are the clear anti-Bush. But it is not at all clear that the rest of the world means what it says when the reality of economic populism, timid foreign policies and inexperienced leadership are the clear alternatives.

moxie_neanderthal on May 8, 2008 at 2:03 PM

You’ve completely missed the point. “Europe” (not incl. Britian or Ireland here) follows America but there is a time lag.

The last time lots of European conservative leaders had been elected was in 1986 after six years of Reagan who was very popular in Europe by the time he left office, the hoi polloi notwithstanding.

By the time Bill Clinton left office in 2000 after eight years of office European leaders were mostly liberal bastards. If Obama serves two terms then by 2011 European leaders will all be socialists/liberals. Do you get what I’m saying?

Obviously its not as totally cut and dried as I am presenting it here but this is the general trend.

aengus on May 8, 2008 at 4:13 PM

I’m confused on all this NAFTA, trade, jobs, etc. I saw on Fox a few months ago a former agent from ICE or something, anyways, his point about NAFTA was that this was the reason we were seeing the huge increase in Hispanics sneaking into the US. His reasoning was because of NAFTA, our farm products could be sold cheaper in Mexico, many farmers, and small businesses were put out of business. Made some sense to me.

On the other hand, most of our major manufacturing jobs have going to China. I understand if we had a more friendly tax system, most of those jobs would come back. Yet, you never hear anyone say anything about that fact.

And then there’s been a lot said of the “blue collar” worker. Well, construction used to be the number one blue collar job. Here in Georgia, all of the construction and lawn care industry has been taken over by illegals. I haven’t heard any of the candidates talk about this either.

So, I think all the candidates suck.

moonsbreath on May 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM

I hope to God they`re just being phony to get primary votes. If not, maybe I should start stockpiling food.

ThePrez on May 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Democrats accuse the Bush administration of being the incarnation of Herbert Hoover on economics, but ironically champion the same kind of blindness that led Hoover to turn a possibly containable financial collapse into the Great Depression.

FDR ran on a great idea in 1931, repeal Smoot-Haley. Of course he lied. That wasn’t repealed until later and he compounded the problem with his many socialist schemes. He and Hoover are jointly parents of the depression.

burt on May 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Ed the way you refer to “Europe” singularly like a person as in “Steve may have second thoughts” is completely nonsensical. Its a continent of 500 million people. Geez!

aengus on May 8, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Except that he was referring to the views of an EU trade commissioner, who does have a reasonable claim to ’speak for Europe’ (even if he doesn’t necessarily reflect the views of all EU governments, and has no standing over non-EU countries).

jic on May 9, 2008 at 12:39 AM

Don’t the Europeans understand pandering to the suckers for votes?

They don’t actually believe Barry or Hilly, I hope.

Just because millions of naive dupes here do, I thought EU’rs were supposed to be more sophisticated politically?

profitsbeard on May 9, 2008 at 2:03 AM

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