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McGovern to Clintons: Let 1972 happen again

posted at 12:15 pm on May 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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George McGovern, one of the main if inadvertent inspirations for the Democratic superdelegate system, announced today that he will counsel Hillary Clinton to withdraw from the presidential race. Hillary had planned on campaigning in McGovern’s back yard of South Dakota tomorrow in advance of its June 3rd primary. McGovern’s announcement puts a further damper on her prospects after losing big in North Carolina last night, but McGovern’s plea for unity may fall on deaf ears anyway:

Former Sen. George McGovern, an early supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, urged her to drop out of the Democratic presidential race and endorsed her rival, Barack Obama.

After watching the returns from the North Carolina and Indiana primaries Tuesday night, McGovern said Wednesday it’s virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination. The 1972 Democratic presidential nominee said he had a call in to former President Clinton to tell him of the decision, adding that he remains close friends with the Clintons. …

McGovern’s announcement comes a day before Clinton was scheduled to travel to South Dakota to campaign. The state holds its primary June 3 with 15 pledged delegates at stake.

McGovern ran the notoriously ineffective 1972 presidential campaign that saw massive defections from the Democrats to the Republicans as Richard Nixon won a landslide re-election campaign. Based on that experience and the 1980 primaries, the Democrats retooled their delegate system to give 20% of the vote to its own unrepresentative establishment so that they could handpick a nominee in a close race. So far, though, the party establishment has done its level best to avoid doing just that twenty-four years later.

They may have bigger problems, anyway. According to both ABC and the Washington Post, the refuseniks among both factions in the party continue to grow, and the demographics look very problematic for Obama in a general election. Jake Tapper has a few talking points for Hillary that mostly reek of desperation, but a couple pose real questions:

5. Point to ugly exit poll data from Indiana showing 50% of Clinton supporters say they will not vote for Obama in the Fall.

6. Push back on Obama “achievement” in Indiana that he lost white women by only 61%-39% — as opposed to larger losses in Pennsylvania and Ohio. Argue: What kind of crazy worldview is this?

Jon Cohen and Jennifer Agiesta see something similar in the numbers from their exit polling:

Those who said Wright was a significant factor in deciding whom to support voted for Clinton by wide margins, with about nine in 10 whites who called the issue “very important” voting for her. But nearly as many voters called the matter “not at all important” to their vote — and those voters, white or black, went largely for Obama. The issue was further mitigated by the fact that about three-quarters of voters in Indiana and North Carolina said they made up their minds more than a week ago.

While the controversy over Wright did not appear to tip the balance in either contest last night, exit polls revealed fresh signs of fissures among primary voters.

Fewer than half of Clinton voters in both states said they would support Obama over McCain in the general election should that be the matchup. More than half of those backing Obama said they would be unhappy with Clinton as the party’s standard-bearer.

Bear in mind that these are Democrats being polled, and the division looks substantial, at least at this point. When Obama has to compete in a general election, how much more pronounced will these demographics get? If half of Hillary’s backers feel as, well, bitter about her loss now, at least some of them will remain unconvinced in the fall to support Obama.

The superdelegates have two bad options in front of them. They cannot win by splitting their coalition, but either choice will have that effect, according to a long series of polls. Frankly, under these circumstances, Obama is the better choice. He represents the future of the party, while the Clintons represent the past — and her coalition may be easier to woo back, even if not in this cycle. People don’t have the emotional investment in Hillary that Obama’s supporters have.

Die-hard Democrats will likely remain Democrats and stick with the party’s nominee. However, Obama has much less claim to centrists and independents on the basis of his record than either Hillary or John McCain, and Obama hasn’t shown any evidence that he has risen above partisanship in his legislative career. Expect McCain to highlight the difference between talk and action and grab the middle ground early. If he can do that, Obama could bring 1972 to life all over again.


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And watch……No matter how loud the race-baiters (Sharpton, Jackson, et. al.) yell for Hillary to drop out, they secretly want her to stay in…….it’s for (their) job security.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 7, 2008 at 12:21 PM

In 2008, 1972 will win though. So there’s a difference.

lorien1973 on May 7, 2008 at 12:22 PM

If Obama wins, he’ll never last more than one term. He’s incompetent and doesn’t even have the talent to delegate to those who might now what they are doing.

Blake on May 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM

An unwelcome reminder.

A welcomed loser.

Kini on May 7, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Rush is calling for investigations regarding voter shutting-out due to the Democratic party’s rules. “There is nothing Democratic about their nomination process”.

“We’re about to witness the most egregious assault on voting rights since 1965″

amerpundit on May 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM

McGovern ran the notoriously ineffective 1972 presidential campaign that saw massive defections from the Democrats to the Republicans as Richard Nixon won a landslide re-election campaign.

Don’t think the likely Democrat nominee has forgotten that little bit of history.

Obama, on the other hand

represents the future of the party, while the Clintons represent the past

Clearly the Democrat Party is not the same as Truman and Kennedy. If Obama is the Party’s future, the Party is in deep kimchee.

SeniorD on May 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Sucks to lose 49 states, including your own, doesn’t it?

MadisonConservative on May 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Interesting fact:
McGovern was stomped in the 1972 election which was the first election that allowed 18-21 year olds to vote.
I guess not every baby boomer was a stoner hippie.

RobCon on May 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM

Meanwhile in Iran

“We must solve Iran’s internal problems as quickly as possible. Time is lacking. A movement has started for us to occupy ourselves with our global responsibilities, which are arriving with great speed.”

Don’t worry Dinnerjacket. Barry is about to knock on your door and offer to help you tackle those global responsibilities.

Limerick on May 7, 2008 at 12:32 PM

She has reached the stage in her delusion that she can still pull off an upset where not even a midnight visit by the ghosts of Vince Foster and Ron Brown urging her to drop out are going to make her change her mind.

pilamaye on May 7, 2008 at 12:35 PM

They may have bigger problems, anyway. According to both ABC and the Washington Post, the refuseniks among both factions in the party continue to grow, and the demographics look very problematic for Obama in a general election.

The only question is which party will have more refuseniks? There are plenty who populate the right wing blogosphere who still maintain that they won’t vote for McCain. How representative are they? Also, during the headydays of Fred!mania/Mitt!mania, didn’t Republican voters respond in similar ways as the dems are doing now?

Big S on May 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM

McCain’s best secret weapon – McGovern.

stenwin77 on May 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Also, during the headydays of Fred!mania/Mitt!mania, didn’t Republican voters respond in similar ways as the dems are doing now?

Big S on May 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Plenty of bloggers/blogposters said so, but I don’t think it ever reached anything like the numbers we are seeing with BO and Hillary.

Seeing as BO and Hillary agree on pretty much everything, it is amazing to see such a knockdown, dragout fight over basically nothing.

18-1 on May 7, 2008 at 12:48 PM

And watch……No matter how loud the race-baiters (Sharpton, Jackson, et. al.) yell for Hillary to drop out, they secretly want her to stay in…….it’s for (their) job security.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on May 7, 2008 at 12:21 PM

This idea that people do certain things to prolong their careers is insane. Do trash men litter more? What about cops, do they commit crimes to stay in business?

Yes, we do find the random firehouse firebug, but it’s very rare. Since it’s so natural for people to do anything to prolong their career, I’m curious about what are you willing to do for yours?

Does this extend to politics? Would you lie to protect or pump up your party? Are you lying now or later?

The Race Card on May 7, 2008 at 12:51 PM

McGovern, the dead for a while, but still breathing, senator (so said Bill Handel this morning), plays Judas to Hillary, right after Wesley Clark. These might be good omens for Hillary.

Entelechy on May 7, 2008 at 12:52 PM

I have the ‘fillin’ that she won’t drop out and will take this to the convention. I hope my gut is wrong on this but HRC was made this way and she will not give up. It seems that the more people tell her to get out will only strengthen her resolve.
Besides, I’m looking forward to seeing the Demos in worse shape than the Repubs. If we have riots in the inner cities, how can they blame it on bitter, ‘red-neck’ America?
I worked the phones as a high schooler for George McGovern in ‘72. My, how I have changed! If i were to do it over I would have found other outlets for my idealism…like supporting our troops in Viet Nam. NOT. My parents would have thrown me out.

Christine on May 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Die-hard Democrats will likely remain Democrats and stick with the party’s nominee. However, Obama has much less claim to centrists and independents on the basis of his record than either Hillary or John McCain

People don’t vote for Obama because of his record.

bnelson44 on May 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM

It bears repeating:
“She has reached the stage in her delusion that she can still pull off an upset where not even a midnight visit by the ghosts of Vince Foster and Ron Brown urging her to drop out are going to make her change her mind.”
Thanks, pilamaye.

Christine on May 7, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Don’t forget Webb Hubbell. There are 3 ghosts in that story?

Christine on May 7, 2008 at 1:06 PM

I was looking at the NC state returns, and the 11th Congressional district with blue dog Democrat Rep Heath Shuler voted rather overwhelming for Hillary–except for large Buncombe county. (I’m shocked the lesbian mecca of Buncombe didn’t go for Hillary, but I suppose the hippies way outnumber the lesbians.) From my understanding of the people of the 11th district having grown up there, I believe that a high percentage of the Hillary voters will go to McCain. They like their Democrats moderate as their congressman, and Hillary has cultivated the moderate image–whatever some people may think of her. It’s not a matter of race, but I know how the media will label my people–the snide comments about the white trash of the Appalachian mountains. F*** them and the simple bigotry of their elitism. Anyway, my home county has ranked rather high in terms of per capita income in NC–a fact that the MSM will never let get in the way of their stories of finding bigots in trailer parks. Nor would stories like how my granddaddy would let only negroes–the historically correct word here–hunt for games on his land in the 30’s and 40’s. No such details aren’t what the MSM wants to report.

There are areas like the 11th district in Ohio and northern Florida. McCain is likely to be the next president.

thuja on May 7, 2008 at 1:37 PM

McGovern recently stated that, unlike McCain, “he would say” he brought his bomber group back intact, and that McCain was in the lowest percentile of his Annapolis graduating class. I had previously never found McGovern to be a despicable man.

mymanpotsandpans on May 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Sucks to lose 49 states, including your own, doesn’t it?

MadisonConservative

It always sucks to lose your own state, even if the election isn’t a 49 state blowout. Just ask Al Gore, who lost his state in 2000. If he had simply won it, he wouldn’t have needed to win Florida.

Del Dolemonte on May 7, 2008 at 1:58 PM

This idea that people do certain things to prolong their careers is insane. — The Race Card

When their careers are race card playing politicians, then yes, they do. If they don’t do it intentionally, then they are thicker than a ton of bricks. Do you really believe Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be relevant at all if they could no longer play the race card because there is not longer racism? See, that’s why they must keep racism alive.

I’m quite confused by your choice of username, and I apologize in advance if I’m being thick myself, and you were being sarcastic.

kirkill on May 7, 2008 at 2:04 PM

McGovern recently stated that, unlike McCain, “he would say” he brought his bomber group back intact, and that McCain was in the lowest percentile of his Annapolis graduating class. I had previously never found McGovern to be a despicable man.

mymanpotsandpans on May 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Most of our great military leaders and most effective officers in combat have been in the bottom half of West Point, so saying that about his graduating rank isn’t really saying much.

Tim Burton on May 7, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Of Course George McGovern brought his bomber group back whole! Those pesky cattle in South Dakota didn’t have anti aircraft weapons.

The fact that John McCain had to fly his single seat attack aircraft, negotiate the North Vietnam AAW, and stay on task to bomb whatever target LBJ told him to hit does make for interesting time. Let’s compare McCain’s Vietnam experience with McGovern’s WWII or Kerry’s Vietnam fables.

SeniorD on May 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Forever associated with political disaster. But what does reputation matter when you’re a Democrat?

Akzed on May 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM

If Obama is the future of the Democratic party, then either the party or the country is doomed. America cannot be lead by an America-hater.

pedestrian on May 7, 2008 at 3:11 PM

This guy is inviting for the whole Dem nomination process to go “nuclear”.

Pass the popcorn, guys. I’m putting my shades on!

newton on May 7, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Captain Ed, have you looked at CNN’s map of IN?

Or the Fox News exit polls for same?

Clinton took EVERYTHING except Blacks and College Students who were a tidal wave in IN.

Now, nationally that’s not something that can be repeated or cloned. Blacks make up … 12% of the population. Young people 17-26 make up 14% according to US Census.

Demographics is destiny, and we’re seeing that play out. Hillary’s supporters if they stay at home or switch to McCain are FAR MORE DANGEROUS for Dems because they outnumber Blacks and College Kids (Obama’s base) by huge margins. Dems can’t win without Blacks, BUT …

They’ll get clobbered particularly in Blue Dog conservative bastions without Older Voters, Catholics, Whites, Working Class, etc. all of which went for Hillary by huge margins.

Remember, we’ve not had Bill Ayers stomping on the Flag across viral videos, more of Wright, more Obama hug Ahmadinejad in ads yet. This is with really no negative advertising showing up huge gaps between Obama and the core of Dem Voters (”Reagan Dems”) … call this the NYT strategy.

whiskey_199 on May 7, 2008 at 3:27 PM

I say let 1968 happen again.

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Forever associated with political disaster. But what does reputation matter when you’re a Democrat?

Akzed on May 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM

No kidding: See Jimmah Carter, truly the worst president of my lifetime.

foxforce91 on May 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Wow! Every 4 years we are treated to Democratic Party LOSERS like this moron! We need to hear more from McGovern, Carter, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Clinton, Edwards and have Bob Shrum on TV every week with little Timmy!!!

sabbott on May 8, 2008 at 7:14 AM

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