here is a summary by one of the main organizers(whose father was/is a very famous apologist and debator)

http://dlbthoughts.com/Articles.aspx?IDCol=219

jp on May 6, 2008 at 4:03 PM

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The organizer’s father would have wiped these guys out with precision. Sadly, Greg Bahnsen died in 1995.
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When the cartoon kerfuffle kicked up I had a dream that I xeroxed thousands of them and just left them laying around in public places.

I agree that we need to keep the foot of freedom on the neck of radical Islam until they learn we will not be intimidated.

EJDolbow on May 6, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Absolutely, they need to be desensitized to criticism so that they learn to accept it…then they can begin to learn how to accept others.

Bring on more Mo-toons!

And if anyone in this debate can be credibly accused of racism, it is the western apologists and “multiculturalists” who deem Arabs and Muslims too immature to shoulder the responsibilities of civil discourse.

The whole article was great and spot on, I liked this paragraph especially.

I seem to recall Luther nailing 95 theses on why the Catholic Church was not living up to its ideals to the door of the church, not 95 “be nice to Catholics” postcards. And that’s when the Pope did have divisions, so it wasn’t just an act of intellectual courage, it could easily have gotten Luther killed.

If Luther had nailed anything like that to the doors of a mosque, he would most certainly have been killed.

What continues to amaze me is the fantastical contortions that polititians and media do in masking to evil face of Islam. Cowards and communists licking Islamist bootheels.

4) I could go on but I wont. Israel, until the 2000 intifada Democrats of all shapes and sizes were behind Israel. I’m not talking about elected officials, I’m talking about Democratic voters. Plus their was always some hostility from Republicans towards Israel (eg James Baker, Pat Buchcannan) until recently. Christian Zionist weren’t a known commodity until about a decade ago.

The MSM wasn’t openly hostile until Oslo Accords was signed. and it only got worse after the second intifda. Since this is a new phenomena, Jews refuse to see it for what it is. Antisemitism until recently always came from the right, so most Jews don’t see it as a threat since its coming from the leftwing side of politics.

Red Pill on May 6, 2008 at 4:30 PM

As a Jewish person it is very hard to explain in a few sentences why Jewish people vote overwhelmingly Democratic. The simplest way to explain it is this.

1) A millennia of genocidal hatred of Jews from Christian Europe, plus Christians trying to convert Jews.

2) Jewish people (even though I don’t like to admit) started the socialist movement we see today. Jewish people were at the forefront of unions and everything that involves equality since Jewish were discriminated against in Europe and here in America until 50 years ago.

3) Education is very important to Jewish people so supporting educational causes in any form are important.

4) I could go on but I wont. Israel, until the 2000 intifada the Democrats of all shapes and sizes were behind Israel it wasn’t until the last few years that the tide is turning in the party. It’s there and Jewish people besides myself know it, but most people choose to ignore it.

That is the simplest way of explaining it. Their is a slow turn, but it’ll take time. But Jewish people will never totally leave the Democratic party, too many ideals that were started by Jews are the foundation of the party so at best the Republican party will never get a majority unless the Democratic party completely comes hostile to Israel

venividivici on May 6, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Superb.

It’s a ludicrous position to hold, yet the Left appears to believe in it absolutely.

a la Obama

Whatever overlap between Islam and the agenda of the secular Left there is, is purely coincidental.

The enemy of their enemy is their friend.

irongrandpa-

The most disturbing part is that these people actually breed.

Recommend the Voluntary Extinction Society to them.

Its slogan:

“The ultimate carbon footprint reduction is self-annihilation”

Harris has simply noted that the 800 lb. gorilla in the room is wearing a crescent and star.

How, after 9/11, this realization isn’t the common sense of all infidel dogs just proves that cowardice and denial are easier for most to manage than resistance and reality.

Hassan Butt wrote in the Guardian:

“When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network, a series of semi-autonomous British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology, I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy. By blaming the government for our actions, those who pushed the ‘Blair’s bombs’ line did our propaganda work for us. More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.”

And yet STILL many want to blame terrorism on some other cause. The terrorists are laughing at their apologists and the apologists continue to spin on the terrorists’ behalf. It’s all well and good to give Muslims the benefit of the doubt that it is not their religion that drives them to terrorize others, but when they admit that it is, on what basis do you come to the conclusion that the facts of the case are otherwise? Only if you believe, in the Marxist terminology, that the Muslim terrorists using Islam as their rationale are the victims of “false consciousness”, but on what basis can that determination be made? It’s a ludicrous position to hold, yet the Left appears to believe in it absolutely. I actually have come to the conclusion that Muslims don’t have a consciousness of what is outside Islam. Islam is the sum and substance of their consciousness, so even material issues, such as the kind Marxism tries to deal with, are filtered through an Islamic lens for Muslims, not through any kind of lens that we in the West would use. When I look at something, I can interpret it according to any number of philosophical schools, “realism”, “pragmatism”, “Platonism”, or can subscribe to any number of political philosophies or aesthetic schools of thought, and this gives me a level of intellectual flexibility that a Muslim simply doesn’t have. He only sees “Islam” and “non-Islam”. Whatever overlap between Islam and the agenda of the secular Left there is, is purely coincidental.

Additionally, the question of how Islam is to be reformed without being critiqued is so obviously spot-on. I seem to recall Luther nailing 95 theses on why the Catholic Church was not living up to its ideals to the door of the church, not 95 “be nice to Catholics” postcards. And that’s when the Pope did have divisions, so it wasn’t just an act of intellectual courage, it could easily have gotten Luther killed.

And they think WE’RE backwards!

The problem is erronously connecting the violence of a fringe group that was created by the “West” (the Taliban, al Queda, and Saddam were all propped to their gluttonous power by the equally gluttonous goals of the West) with being Muslim.

I was going to reply there, but seems I never registered. Anyway.. I wanted to ask if it was those “Fringe Groups” were created when the Muslims ransacked Constanipole, invaded Spain, and basically attempted to conquer the rest of the modern world hundred’s of years ago.

Of course, that would have generated the standard “What about the Crusades?” response, never realizing the Crusades were in response to initial Muslim aggression.

Cowardly Lefties will defend Islam right up to the point they lose their heads. Literally.

DerKrieger on May 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM

as will the cowardly Paul and in some cases paleo-Right.

Sam Harris’ book “The End of Faith Islam” …

SpencerFan on May 6, 2008 at 3:53 PM

There. Fixed that for Sam. No need to thank me. Just bein’ neighborly.

Jimmy Carter has shown how he feels about Israel.

Why do any Jews support a party that appears to hate them?

Kudos to Allahpundit for linking to HuffPo.
(When was the last time HuffPo linked to HotAir?)

With a HuffPo commenter saying “Such trash usually belongs on hotair.com or National Review”, that’s another indicator that more than just conservatives read HotAir.

With the majority of HuffPo commenters being anti-semites, and with Republicans being generally much more pro-Israel than Democrats, why do any Jews vote Democrat? I honestly don’t get it.

As long as Islam survives; as long as the Qur’an is used as educational material; as long as sharia law exists, the threat will always be there. We cannot let up.

Liberal, progressive my ass. Effing anti-semites.

Harris is honest enough to risk puting his compatriots (Dawkins, Dennett and Myers) in a bad light. If religious irrationality is the problem, why not start where the problem is most obvious? The other village atheists never seem to have an answer.