Open thread: Indiana and North Carolina; Update: Obama wins NC; Update: Hillary wins Indiana
posted at 5:28 pm on May 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The early exit polls are in: It’s the economy, stupid, not health care or Iraq. Detailed demographic data should start trickling in around 6 p.m. Trust it if you dare.
I still think she needs a blowout in Indiana to offset one in North Carolina but the Nation seems to think a win is a win. Mull this over while you wait, savoring the “nightmare scenario” we may very well find ourselves in three or four hours from now. One or both of us will be liveblogging; as always, comments are welcome. If you’re imbibing and need a drinking game to play, Mark Halperin has made things easy for you. Or, if that’s too complicated, just tune into MSNBC and take a swig every time Rachel Maddow smirks. You’ll be unconscious by nine.
Update: Drudge says Obama wins easily in NC per the early exits. That makes sense demographically. So all she can do at this point is hold serve, i.e. no big game-changer tonight.
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Safe to say most of the NC votes tallies are early votes that were cast before today. Obama has hit his ceiling since most of the urban areas are also reporting today’s results along with early votes….now the quesion is the margin.
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Green Mile and Seven Mile need to throw down. Two largest liberal tribes right there. I want to these two tear up the Denver Convention. Maybe a dis off or whatever these idiots call it.
pc on May 6, 2008 at 8:41 PM
You just lost another big go round,
The upstart pretender to your throne again put you down,
Oh how a fool and her lust for power soon go separate ways,
For you can only find so many fools lyin in a daze,
Ha ha woman what you gonna do,
You destroyed all of what little virtue that the Lord gave you,
Its so good that youre not getting any gain,
So you better get yourself on board your very last smear train.
E-evil woman, e-evil woman, e-evil woman, evil woman
- Electric Hillary Orchestra
MB4 on May 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM
I am ever curious why the MSM looks at two nearly identical Dem liberal candidates, and sees Obambi get 93% of the black vote, and never raises the point that a large majority of black voters might be voting by skin color.
Is it simply too obvious to bother, or is the MSM somehow … ahem … reluctant to address the issue?
Jaibones on May 6, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I posted this early from North Carolina CNN poll but is relevant
William Amos on May 6, 2008 at 8:51 PM
You know I don’t friggin care anymore. Its like having liver cancer AND congestive heart failure. Just waiting to see which one of these nasty beasts are going to send me to Jesus.
JonRoss on May 6, 2008 at 8:54 PM
You’re a racist for even asking!!!!! Don’t question that voting bloc!
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Hillary isn’t going to quit.
Ever.
Dave R. on May 6, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Woo hoo, looks like South Bend came through!
Typhonsentra on May 6, 2008 at 8:58 PM
For the same reason they won’t speculate on why many older whites and poor whites are voting for Hillary overwhelmingly…
Could it be the race code that has been thrown into the mix? Or has it always been there and most have juts been to blind to see that we haven’t really moved so far…
Hmmmm
TOPV on May 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM
Obama pretty weak, cant win Ohio, Indiana or Pennsylvania.
Wonder what they will do with Michigan and Florida?
Liberal is as Liberal does.
Chakra Hammer on May 6, 2008 at 9:03 PM
MSNBC seems to be gathering a mob with pitchforks and torches to take Clinton out of the race…
(Good thing, too, because I was starting to think she could take down McCain pretty easily this fall…)
tigerinexile on May 6, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Cynics, doubters, naysayers, blah, blah, blah, does this guy’s speechwriters ever think of anything original?
Mark V. on May 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Is Chis Matthews’ leg tingling yet?
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Why is he putting an extra “n” in pundits? “pundints”
mikeyboss on May 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
….. and Robert Byrd.
Mark V. on May 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM
And now it’s time for… Barry O’s Anecdote Fest!
Mark V. on May 6, 2008 at 9:20 PM
obama reminding me why i can’t stand him
jp on May 6, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Really, it’s all rehashed s–t. I like when he turned on the “brother” when he said “make it if you try”.
LtE126 on May 6, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Energy policy wrote by the
Oil CompaniesCorn Farmers…fixed that for you obama.
jp on May 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM
“We’re going to make the oil companies invest their profits in ….”
Socialism.
mikeyboss on May 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM
I just heard messiah speak in NC.
Barrak Obama is a hopeless idiot.
And he’s going to be our next POTUS.
God help us.
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Random guy: Hillary too!
Typhonsentra on May 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Michelle’s father was a water filtration plant worker? In Chicago that’s a city patronage job.
LtE126 on May 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Hopeless idiot?
mycowardice on May 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Is he done yet? I can’t bare to watch.
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 9:29 PM
He’s showing a little humility here. It’s a pretty solid speech so far.
Typhonsentra on May 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM
He’s setting the victim table.
LtE126 on May 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM
He’s going to do so much damage. Modern day Pied piper.
“Embrace the need for change, from an imperfect messenger…”
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Are the people cheering in that crowd the dumbest people in the country?
WisCon on May 6, 2008 at 9:31 PM
It is official that Obama is an idiot.
j0 on May 6, 2008 at 9:31 PM
HAHAH!! I knew he’d get to the geography lesson sooner or later.
Mark V. on May 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Yes. He has no grasp whatsoever on actual reality.
He is sound and fury with absolutely zero substance.
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 9:32 PM
NC is full of useful idiots like these people. If Beverly Perdue is elected as our governor I’m moving out of state. I’m not kidding. She’s Nancy Pelosi v 2.0
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Oh no!!!he’s going to start crying!!!
LtE126 on May 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
I can’t beleive i’m saying this, but I’d much rather have Hillary as potus if McCain. Obama is awful for so many reasons.
jp on May 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Did he say he draped a flag over his father’s coffin?
mikeyboss on May 6, 2008 at 9:33 PM
That was brutal to listen to.
j0 on May 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM
This is all proof that the bar for electrifying speechifying has gone way the hell down in the last half century.
Save for a brief one-man interlude sometime around the 80’s.
Mark V. on May 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Was Brit being sarcastic when he said the crowd seemed “totally… completely… HAPPY.”
Mark V. on May 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Obama seems to have found his stride again. But somehow, now that he’s been reduced from Messiah to your normal Chicago politician, his speeches are starting to seem stylized, tedious, even trite. How much more tedious, how unconvincing will he become, saying the same stuff over and over again in the months from now to November, after the recent revelations of his opportunism?
I don’t think the shelf life on this stuff is all that long.
petefrt on May 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM
It’s nice to hear an upbeat message from him for the first time in so long.
Typhonsentra on May 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM
imagine 4 to 8 years of that
jp on May 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Is “democratic party: a misnomer?
sloopy on May 6, 2008 at 9:38 PM
“Did he say he draped a flag over his father’s coffin?”
He didn’t say HE did it but it was draped in a flag…any Way this can be checked out??? I mean, that would the all time whopper from hell.
LtE126 on May 6, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I’m actually ready at this point for this guy to get into the general election ring so we can pummel him big time. Good things must wait, though until after Denver.
nemo239 on May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Plenty of room in Texas and you would feel most welcome!
RushBaby on May 6, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Yeah, I wondered about that too. A US flag??
“Yes we can” - always reminds me of the “si se puede” chants heard all over the country two years ago.
sloopy on May 6, 2008 at 9:41 PM
That flag draped comment was weird. Was it the African Dad or the Indonesian Dad, or the US of KKA Rev. Wright Dad? I thought his white Grandma was Dad.
nemo239 on May 6, 2008 at 9:42 PM
I’ve always said that Al Gore gives a speech like he thinks we’re five. I think Obama gives a speech like he thinks we’re all amnesiacs.
Mark V. on May 6, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Fast forward a few years. Blue and purple state refugees from the SSA (Socialist States of America)flooding Texas. Just want to know if Texas will be an independent country again, or allied with Mexico? Like to know what I’m getting myself in for if I move on down.
JiangxiDad on May 6, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Well we have an idiot governor here in Tennessee but if you just jump across the Smoky Mountains, here in the first district, we haven’t sent a dem to the house of representatives since 1881 and we will welcome you with open arms and there are TONS of jobs.
Big Orange on May 6, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Zero substance is McCain proposing the gas tax holiday.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aza2XQB.kk0k&refer=home
mycowardice on May 6, 2008 at 9:48 PM
You heard those chants on what day? May 1st…Communist May Day.
Whether it be “Yes we can” or “si se puede”, the common goal is Communist Revolution, USA.
I ain’t kidding. There is a reason they want the “si se puede” chanters to be voting citizens, and the “Yes we can” is a pandering connection with them.
Red Pill on May 6, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Look at the bright side. Would you rather spend the next 4 years trying to defend McCain or spend it thumping Obama?
MB4 on May 6, 2008 at 9:52 PM
OK, fair enough. Show me a bloc of white voters — any election, any party, any cross-section — voting 92 - 6, as in Bill Amos’s chart above.
Which election are you talking about?
Jaibones on May 6, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Holy cow! No votes from Gary have been counted, and Hillary is only ahead by about 33,000.
She might lose Indiana outright.
forest on May 6, 2008 at 9:53 PM
And I mean 92 - 6 for or against anything or anyone.
Jaibones on May 6, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Funniest thing about tonight is that Zogby beat SUSA.
Typhonsentra on May 6, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Never underestimate Chicago politics.
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 9:59 PM
You’re kidding, right? He played every poor old pathetic thing that rolled off his trusty teleprompters for all it was worth. Everything’s always been just so damned unfair, and hard hasn’t it? And then at the end he whipped them into a frenzy telling them that he and they were gonna make it all better.
He doesn’t ever say exactly how (other than extorting big oil and running away from the Middle East as fast as he possibly can), but the truth? With your and my hard-earned money.
No. I have no enthusiasm for his marxist desires for this country. I’m not rich, but I’m doing my best to live the American Dream. Which is pretty hard to do when so many people have their hands in my pocket. And he’s going to demand I pay even more.
People like me and you are going to bear the brunt of his ‘change’. We’re not only going to shoulder our own load, we’re going to be forced to shoulder the load of the hopelessly stupid, the lazy, the undisciplined, and the terminally unwise.
He’s going to ruin prosperity in this country.
Yay.
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 10:00 PM
You make a strong case…
mikeyboss on May 6, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Something is fishy about Obama congratulating Hillary before Gary’s votes have been counted. I think he’s trying to look magnanimous before going “Psych!”
Red Pill on May 6, 2008 at 10:02 PM
I guess Zogby is feeling pretty good right about now???
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Bwhahahahahaahaha! You think I’m going to disagree with you about that?! Damn, but that’s funny.
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Texans have a unique pride. Austin has been taken over by the hippies but the countryside, and there’s plenty of it, is all about independence. Independence for individuals most of all. We still have a pretty respectable state government and tax cuts that mean our economy is still fine. Even the mortgage crisis had minimal effects here. There’s lots of room - I hope I can talk you into claiming your sliver!
RushBaby on May 6, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Hopeless idiot?
mycowardice on May 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Hopeful Useful Idiot.
Buy Danish on May 6, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I’ve always felt drawn to Texas, too. Maybe someday…
mikeyboss on May 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Ya know, MB, I’ve been thinking long and hard about that lately. I just don’t want to go through the pain the dems will inflict on all of us.
I don’t appear to be able to stop it or even slow it down, so I suppose I’ll just make the best of it.
SOB’s sure make it hard for a body to retire, though, I tell ya.
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM
I wonder what this student is talking about? South Bend “demographic” seems to mean percentage of black voters, and I guess South Bend is 36% black, while the whole state is only 9% black.
As for “latte sipping elites”, let’s profile Notre Dame a little closer. It’s 85% Catholic, and one of the hardest schools to get into in the midwest. The legacy types are no latte drinkers; they’re shot and beer Irish soccer and football players. Every college has a bunch of mush-brained liberal kids, but ND is much more restrained in that area.
Jaibones on May 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM
My company has facilities there…Dallas, San Antonio, Houston. I could transfer.
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Checked out AZ last month. Liked it. Texas is due a visit. Thanks. NC was in the running, but I think it’s not any longer.
JiangxiDad on May 6, 2008 at 10:10 PM
LaPorte County, IN now showing…small Clinton lead.
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Whatever is delaying you, I hope you overcome the obstacle. Come one, come all! Colonize Texas - for Freedom!
RushBaby on May 6, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I think Union County, IN is holding out for Lake County. Maybe they’re tired of Chicago deciding theirs state…lol. Hoosiers? What say you?
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I’m a little worried about Dallas. It’s starting to look and sound like North Austin around here. The media is completely in the tank for the dems.
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I hope this country is as tough as I think it is- because between moderate Democrat McCain and this Marxist, we’re gonna need it.
By the way, nice try BO with your “I love America” speech”- really genuine and heartfelt.
Assclown.
jjshaka on May 6, 2008 at 10:15 PM
DukakisObama 2008!petefrt on May 6, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Yeah, Obama loves America like William Ayers loves America…
“Guilty as sin. Free as a bird. Great country!”
Red Pill on May 6, 2008 at 10:17 PM
We must vote Republican or face the likes of John Edwards with lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court.
Red Pill on May 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Bob Beckel just admitted they (democrats) can get whatever number of votes they need to win any election!
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM
If you get a choice, I recommend San Antonio. It’s a marvelously fun, family-friendly and historic town. Even in heavy traffic, motorists tend to leave a car’s distance between each other. Its people are warm; its location is close to Hill Country recreation, rivers and lakes. And it’s politics, labarynthine as any city politics, are not nutsy-lefty. Plus, you would be a short drive away from the RB Household, and your official Welcoming Committee/Tour Guides, hee.
RushBaby on May 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM
^^^^ In Lake County, that is.
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM
It pissed me off the whole time he shamelessly used our Military to evoke strong emotional sympathy to spout his insane ‘anti-war’ propaganda.
Because he thinks the war should’ve never been fought, he thinks the best idea is to just leave right at the moment we’re in the strongest position yet? Unwise in the extreme.
We can not run away from this fight. We have to finish it. Hell, we’ve never been close to finishing it. Talk about squandering an historic moment in time!
That’s not the kind of change this American is in favor of.
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 10:25 PM
LaPorte County coming in nicely for Hillary now. Padding her lead.
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Doh! PIMF
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Can we drill more oil? Obama:NO WE CAN’T
Can we build more refineries in America? Obama:NO WE CAN’T
can we lower the gas tax? Obama:NO WE CAN’T
Dollayo on May 6, 2008 at 10:27 PM
AZ had a huge illegal alien problem when I left. The city I lived in is still having problems. But you can get a great deal on a house there because sub-prime loaners especially targeted illegals.
I’m in a smaller town in Texas now and it’s doing a great job of ignoring the problem - just like AZ did for so long - and giving excuses why local law enforcement can’t help with the problem “that really isn’t that bad anyway.” I haven’t heard what criteria would make it a problem here. But I guarantee that by ignoring it, there will be one.
Was it Houston with the Obama office that had a poster of Che? Si se puede indeed.
sloopy on May 6, 2008 at 10:28 PM
I’ll remember that, but it appears Charlotte’s RINO mayor will be our choice as Republican governor. He’s still better than our choice the democrats have voted for. Odd times in NC…odd times indeed.
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Been a tad ill today,can someone tell me what the score is
between Hope and HiLRod,please?
canopfor on May 6, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Obama by 14 or so in NC. Indiana coming down to the wire. Get well soon!
mikeyboss on May 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Oh, I love this! Hillary is going to slam Lake County! POPCORN!
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I seen many pundits after penn ask why the whites there were so racist
PrezHussein on May 6, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Get better soon.
The big O did the landslide thing in NC and hildog’s barely hanging on in Indiana. Curtains for her thighness, it looks like.
Obama started running in the general tonight and his speech pissed a bunch of us off. That’s about it, though.
techno_barbarian on May 6, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Sorry, late to the thread here. Anyone heard what’s going on in Lake and Union Co IN?
dish on May 6, 2008 at 10:39 PM
For anyone who voted in the Democrat primary today in IN or NC, if you had voted in the Republican primary, who would you have voted for?
(I’m trying to get a feel of whether McCain’s % of the vote would have gone up or down if everyone had voted in our primary)
Red Pill on May 6, 2008 at 10:39 PM
You can’t write this stuff!
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Thought the AZ governor had taken major steps to remedy that situation, with increased border protection and tough employer verification. On the TV news from Phoenix, there was a story about a local elementary school on the verge of shutting down because the illegals had left.
Sorry to hear I’m mistaken. Really liked Tucson and Flagstaff. Took my two kids 4 miles down into Grand Canyon. Was magnificent. btw, I’m in NY. When they tax the internet here, which they’re itching to do,(Amazon has the software fix in place), I think it may finally be the straw that breaks the camels back. Have about 5 years to retirement. Gotta go somewhere. Would like to move to the US.
JiangxiDad on May 6, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Obama by 14…
mickeyboss on May 6,2008 at 10:33PM.
mickeyboss: Thank-You for the latest intell,pardon the pun,
its that tight!
I was fine untill I visited the hospital,my
middle child,male,is 25,and around 2 days ago
his lung collasped,they say its common in tall
people, I was stunned!
canopfor on May 6, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I would’ve voted for Paul. Sorry! Not McCain until November…not until I have to!
SouthernGent on May 6, 2008 at 10:40 PM
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