Video: John Murtaugh on Weather Underground attempt on his life
posted at 9:31 am on May 3, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Greta van Susteren interviewed John Murtaugh on Fox last night to discuss the 1970 attack on his family by the Weather Underground. Murtaugh wrote an op-ed piece last week reminding people that William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn didn’t just target military assets with their domestic terrorism. Murtaugh’s father, a judge presiding over the trial of 21 Black Panthers accused of a conspiracy to commit their own acts of terror, became the WU’s target as a strategy to force the state to release the defendants:
Murtaugh himself makes the point that Eric Rudolph rightly rots in prison for his bombing attacks on abortion clinics and the Atlanta Olympics. Ayers and Dohrn, on the other hand, have entered the highest circles of Chicago political elite, Ayers has tenure at a state university, and both have entree to a man running for President, who would command the forces that Ayers and Dohrn bombed. (Dohrn also has a track record as an accessory to armed robbery and murder of police officers.) Needless to say, this does not please or amuse Murtaugh in the slightest, and neither should it please or amuse the rest of us.
Watch both clips. Van Susteren does a good job, I think, in remaining objective in her questioning of Murtaugh. She asks some probing questions and makes Murtaugh work a little, especially in the second part, but in the end it makes for a stronger case. It brings out the Annenberg Challenge and other connections, which have escaped the notice of the mainstream media until now.
Just in case anyone wonders, like Van Susteren does, whether Ayers and Dohrn have mellowed, revisit this post and the speeches both gave last November. Dohrn still wants an “overthrow” of capitalism, and Ayers still thinks that Red China is on the right track while railing against the “unimaginable authoritarianism” of the US over the last 40 years. And Barack Obama considers this “mainstream”.
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Great work CE… Once again, doing the work that the MSM refuses to do.
It’s paramount that Americans have the benefit of vetting these candidates properly and thoroughly. We rely upon the news media to do this most important work, as we are busy doing our work and being active citizens in our homes and communities. We do our part, the media must do their part or we’re all in danger.
Keemo on May 3, 2008 at 9:41 AM
“Guilt by association? NO NO NO!!!
Birds of a Feather, Flock Together!!!”
__________Rev. Wright (bird expert, primarily chickens)____
TheCulturalist on May 3, 2008 at 9:42 AM
The fact that the vile Mr. Ayers is now a tenured professor speaks volumes for academia today.
LOVE the Eric Rudolph example. Spot on.
Sugar Land on May 3, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Dohrn still wants an “overthrow” of capitalism, and Ayers still thinks that Red China is on the right track while railing against the “unimaginable authoritarianism” of the US over the last 40 years.
Products of the 60s generation. Will they ever grow up?
Tony737 on May 3, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Someone please explain to me why this “tenured professor” has never served a day in jail? This explains clear as a bell what is going on in our universities. These are the 60’s kind of nut cases we have influencing our young people. Let’s get some of his students to tell us exactly what he tells them in class about blowing up buildings and killing people.
Exactly what university is he tenured at?
I can’t believe the dems are really going to put this man up for the highest position in the country. No wonder bill and hill are still in the race. Maybe some of these super dels should all be outed with their names etc., so we can see just who they are - all of them, not just a few.
You know obama says, “well he’s a neighbor and our kids go to school together.” Wait a minute, obama was 9 years old when all this happened. So “tenured professor” was probably in his 20’s - do they have children the same age?
Good for Greta! But especially - good on Hannity, since he was the first one to bring all this out.
Bambi on May 3, 2008 at 10:20 AM
We have got some great universities.
Johan Klaus on May 3, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I’ve said it before:
The left = loves theories
The right = loves practicality
Ayers and Co. are foolish people who rely on their corrupt intelligence and feelings, without ever once wondering if their theories will work in the real world. They don’t…China is a perfect example, Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and North Korea come to mind. Make no mistake, the world will be a more dangerous place if Obama is elected.
Richard Romano on May 3, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Barack Obama considers this “mainstream”.
Yes, Ayers acts were reprehensible. Violence is never a good way to solve problems… especially if innocents were endangered. But, for better or worse, the justice system — one in which we all live by — did not see fit for him to serve time. I don’t know the details as to why his case was dismissed or charges never brought against him again, but he is a free man.
Since then, he’s become a community activist in Chicago. Obama and many other Chicago politicians — including George Bush’s buddy Mayor Daley — have worked with him.
Now, what EXACTLY does Obama working with him say about Obama? The tease for this post says “Why this matters more that Wright.” But all you offer is the above sentence, which really doesn’t answer the question.
This is another guilt-by-association shot. Lazy writing and smear politics. Care to try and back up your words, or just play the lazy guilt-by-association card.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for keeping this dark stain continually exposed to the light. The only reason the MSM flirted with Ayers is because Stephanapolous will always be a Clinton operative at heart, and outside that debate, we have heard nothing about it. No follow up.
Thank god for new media.
John the Libertarian on May 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Where have you been hiding your Liberal self for the past several weeks; this post is probably the 80th in a series of posts that have all revealed information that the MSM has refused to report. Posts that have included videos and tape recordings; back up the words… Only in the mind of Liberal does such thinking exist.
Keemo on May 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Keemo… THIS post has the tease “Why this matters more than the Wright stuff.”
All Ed offers to support this is that Obama thinks Ayers views are mainstream.
But he offers ZERO evidence to support that statement. Are we to assume because he attended a fundraiser once at Ayers house or did some community work with him that Obama thinks EVERYTHING or ANYTHING Ayers thinks is mainstream?
Any rational person would say no. There’s nothing to back up his point. It’s lazy, guilt-by-association politics.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Guilt by association is valid
Christ was criticised for associating with sinners; however, Christ was there to convert them
That is the difference.
If you buddy up with klan supporters we will associate you with supporting the klan unless you are wearing a wire under your tee-shirt, or are there on a public mission to convert them
This is not lazy, it is survival, which applies directly to character assessments of future Presidents
entagor on May 3, 2008 at 11:23 AM
The Dems have once again painted themselves into a corner. They’ve been pushing so hard for Obama, they never considered a meltdown. Looks like McCain wins.
adamsmith on May 3, 2008 at 11:28 AM
“guilt by association” is exactly correct. He is guilty of knowingly associating with an unrepentent terrorist and had no problem with it. This shows his poor judgement and decision making. Not the kind of person I want my country to be associating with.
Big John on May 3, 2008 at 11:32 AM
I’ve always thought that greta, despite having definite liberal leanings, is more concerned with balance and truth. She did a good job despite it seeming painful for her at times. Murtaugh seemed solid as a rock and hopefully we’ll see plenty of him between now and November.
peacenprosperity on May 3, 2008 at 11:34 AM
And OJ was innocent, right? liberals really are very entertaining.
peacenprosperity on May 3, 2008 at 11:36 AM
jerry wright, ayers, dohrn, michelle’s words, barry’s own words, etc. That is why it’s apparent that those views are his views.
peacenprosperity on May 3, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Christ was criticised for associating with sinners; however, Christ was there to convert them
Well, Ayers has left behind his violent ways and turned to politics and community action. So you could say that by the time Obama had met him, he had “converted.”
By the way, this is how Obama knows Ayers… they both sit on the board of the Woods Fund:
http://www.woodsfund.org/about/history
Here’s some more:
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=05&year=2008&base_name=the_woods_fund
Radical, man!
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 11:41 AM
You, sir are an ass.
Quote:
You, sir are an ignorant ass.
I’ll cite Guy Benson, on Townhall.com as an authoritative source, one of literally tens of thousands.
quote:
You, sir are a very LAZY ignorant ass.
Legal charges against Ayers were dropped because the prosecutor fumbled the case.
You,sir, presume that since Ayers remains a free man, then he must be innocent. You, sir, are a terrorist enable, a terrorist excuser, because you, sir are a foolish, intellectual lazy ass.
You, sir presume that an intellectual elite, a tenured professor must be above reproach, because you, sir, can not intellectually grasp the possibility that fellow citizens of this great country might in fact be traitors.
You, sir, are an ignorant fool.
rockhauler on May 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM
But Barry was only 8 years old!
And, morally and mentally, apparently remains so.
profitsbeard on May 3, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Chicago politics have been a cess pool for many decades. The people accept it because it is all they have ever known. Anyone spawned from this type of political environment should be scrutinized as to their perception of reality. Obama’s charisma works well where political insight doesn’t matter.
volsense on May 3, 2008 at 11:49 AM
At some point, it’s no longer guilt by association. It’s a character study. He chose to work with two domestic terrorists, attend a church with a rabidly anti-American pastor, has an adviser who is entirely on the wrong side of the Israel/Palestine equation (who backs Hamas, I’m pretty sure), and married a woman who thought that Princeton, though it welcomed her through its doors, was just a bunch of racists. All these actions were voluntary steps he took as an adult.
By your reasoning, that candidate who spoke to the Nazis would be totally in the clear. Anecdotally, after World War II, the French publicly shaved the heads of all the French who “associated” with the Nazis. They didn’t seem to care about presumed “lazy reporting.”
emailnuevo on May 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Absolutely brilliant.
emailnuevo on May 3, 2008 at 11:52 AM
You,sir, presume that since Ayers remains a free man, then he must be innocent.
Where do I ever say I think he’s innocent? In fact, I presume he’s guilty when I said he left his violent past behind.
What I also said is that, for better or worse, Ayers is a free man. And what he’s done in the 40 years since is become a community activist in Chicago, who for a time worked as an aide for Mayor Daley.
Obama has denounced Ayers action as part of his weatherman days. And I have yet to see ANY evidence showing Obama shares the views that Ed links to above.
The only connection I see between the two is that they both served on the Woods Fund Board.
I mean, you can say Obama/Ayers, Obama/Ayers all day long, but I have yet to see any substantial argument detailing why Obama serving on the same board as Ayers means he’d be a bad president OR any evidence showing he shares Ayers most radical views.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM
ayers is a pos, who has no right being a professor, of all things.
hes also an imbecile, because only an imbecile could speak of the ” authoritarian ” U.S. and overlook other more deserving culprits.
Of course, he probably doesnt know how to survive in the real world so he catches a cushy job in one of our universities to spew his radical and ” WRONG ” theories.
I would not be able to stomach one of my kids being exposed to this pervert.
Sonosam on May 3, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Actually, he didn’t leave behind his radical ways, since he is still advocating war against the United States and couldn’t say that he wouldn’t bomb it in the future. A “conversion” would be a change of heart, not a limp-wristed attempt to be relevant. He didn’t turn to “community work”; he went after some money. How stunningly appropriate that a terrorist who swore to take down the USA and to overthrow capitalism … teaches at a state school and earns a living. That’s liberalism in a nutshell.
emailnuevo on May 3, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Rockhauler, you are the Man! Yeah!
Glynn on May 3, 2008 at 11:58 AM
That Ayers hosted a soiree for the leading Presidential candidate notwithstanding, see here:
emailnuevo on May 3, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Tom reinforces the reality that there is no known way to de-program an Obamatron. Facts and reality have no impact on their dubious principles. The short public history of the Messiah has shown him to be of questionable personal and professional judgment, third amongst three in national legislative experience, harboring very liberal social and economic beliefs and possessing thoroughly naive and simplistic ideas whenever he opens his mouth on foreign policy and Americas best interests. All Obama offers is empty platitudes that play to an extreme element of society and the color of his skin which continues to afford him an audience that chooses to close its collective eyes and ears to the truly empty suit that Obama is. Just words………..
dmann on May 3, 2008 at 12:00 PM
what i find is that I wonder how thrilled the university was to hire such a brilliant wart. Normally, such a history would preclude you from the responsibility of being associated with the countries future, and more so their education.
Id like to drop a brick on his head!
Sonosam on May 3, 2008 at 12:05 PM
It’s also worth noting that Ed quotes Obama himself as saying Ayers and Dohrn’s most radical views are “mainstream.”
What does he base this quote on? A quote from a Las Vegas’ story saying both Ayers and Dohrn became part of mainstream liberal chicago politics through their community and political actions. And that’s true, especially when compared to their earlier track record.
But for Ed to site their MOST radical and outrages views, then quote Obama as saying he believes that are “mainstream” is about as dishonest as you can get in reporting. If the NYTimes did something similar, Ed’s head would have exploded.
That’s just plain hackery.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 12:05 PM
@Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM
“ZERO evidence”? Tom - those colored words in the post are links, not highlights. *clicky*clicky* on this one cited above as “mainstream” [look for the colors] and it leads directly to a “Paid for by Obama for America” webpage titled “Fact Check” where you will find this statement and others like it:
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“AYERS AND DOHRN BECAME RESPECTABLE FIXTURES OF THE MAINSTREAM IN CHICAGO”
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Defining as “mainstream” people who leave open the possibility of bombing innocents to this day [see: Ayers’ own words] does indeed give insight into Obama’s worldview.
.
Though perhaps I am old-fashioned when I say that decent people would and ought to shun people with views like Ayers’?
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I dismiss your dismissiveness.
Claire on May 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Claire on May 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Claire, see my above post.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Friend treated me to dinner at Donovan’s in Woodside, Queens, the other night and as we were walking in I mentioned Murtaugh’s article. Friend burst out that that’s a cousin of his and that Ayers is disgusting.
ForNow on May 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Show me your friends, and I’ll tell you what you are.
OldEnglish on May 3, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Tom,
I firmly believe it is in the best interest of the people to have a healthy 2-party system, as designed. I believe it would be in all of our best interests, if Democrats would critique their own while providing the vetting necessary to make damn sure you’re putting your very best up for election. The same holds true for Republicans. Would you agree that both sides have failed this process in recent times?
Keemo on May 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM
“Kill the Pigs” eh? Shades of Manson; just with a different agenda and bombs instead of face-to-face.
29Victor on May 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Tom isn’t interested in Obama’s judgment and character defects. He’s just trying to impeach Ed’s objectivity and journalistic integrity. It’s called deflection.
a capella on May 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM
And what, pray tell, are the not-radical views of a (what’s the word, oh yes) radical? Do you really think he’s talking about Ayers’ great choices for American Idol?
emailnuevo on May 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Keemo,
I honestly don’t think Obama working with Ayers on a local community level says much about Obama, other than what’s reflected in the work he did with Ayers.
If anything, you can critique whether Ayers should be allowed to become part of the political mainstream of Chicago. Maybe he shouldn’t have. But, as I said before, he is a free man and he has ended up doing good work that put him into the Chicago “mainstream” when Obama started there.
Mayor Daley, who enjoys a close relationship with President Bush and is no one’s idea of a far-left radical, had him as an aide on his staff at one point.
I don’t think the Ayers connection is enough to disqualify Obama as a candidate. Nor the Wright connection.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
a capella on May 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Yep!
dmann on May 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Isn’t OJ one of Obama’s golfing buddies?
dmann on May 3, 2008 at 12:30 PM
a cappella,
Ed quoting Obama the way he did in this post is just plain misleading. He quotes Obama as if he said the words, which he didn’t. He also quotes them in relation to Ayers’ most radical views, when the context was that Ayers had become part of the mainstream of Chicago politics.
It’s VERY misleading and dishonest. I would like to see Ed defend it.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 12:32 PM
There ya go.
surrounded on May 3, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Barack’s two degrees of separation from Sara Jane Olson:
Image: http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/440*330/M101623.JPG
Caption: “Sara Jane Olson and former fugitive Bernardine Dohrn chatted before Dohrn was to lead a panel discussion about conspiracy prosecutions of political activists in 2000.”
(from: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2005808/posts )
RBMN on May 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Hey Tom, wonder why Obama saw fit to take the coveted Black Panther endorsement off his website.
surrounded on May 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Sean Hannity deserves full credit for pushing Wright to the front and now Ayers. The dinosaur media won’t be able to ignore this much longer. They’ll try to wait until after Tuesday, but with FOXNews now running it the prospects for another Michelle Obama meltdown is in the works!
SouthernGent on May 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Tom, I think you’re willfully ignorant and deflective. What you claim to be ‘good work’ I see as direct subversion of the education of our youth, willingly sanctioned by Mayor Daley.
You’ve got to be kidding, right? Mayor Daley will be lucky he doesn’t go to jail as a process of the information coming out of the Rezko trial. Daley NEEDS the big O to win so he can hand out the pardons for that mess.
Like the big O himself, you clearly exhibit poor judgement.
techno_barbarian on May 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Nor… anything
TheCulturalist on May 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I don’t think the Ayers connection is enough to disqualify Obama as a candidate. Nor the Wright connection.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Thats why you seem to be an idiot.
TexasJew on May 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 12:09 PM
When it is on your own “Obama approved this message” web page it is your responsibility.
You have been dismissed, Mister.
Claire on May 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
In 1954, or there about, Congress passed legislation outlawing the Communist Party in America. I remember a political cartoon saying, “It’s now against the law to be a rat.” When I went to college in the late fifties, the “in crowd” was walking around with copies of Mao’s Little Red Book. The law was ignored, and we have the Clintons, Ayers et al, Obama, Code Pink, and a hijacked educational system turning out more of their ilk.
MaryAnn on May 3, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Interesting point to ponder MaryAnn, thanks.
surrounded on May 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Am I to understand correctly that the New York Times had an interview where terrorism was being justified on the very date of 9/11/01? Were they trying to soften up the residents of New York to be accepting of an attack that they knew was coming?
Talk about your “question the timing”…
Buddahpundit on May 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Interesting comments Tom, but in no way addresses my question. If you are to make bold demands of Ed, you just failed to step up to your own opportunity to walk the talk.
Keemo on May 3, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Tom is trying to use the old, “I can’t control what my supporters say so I’m not responsible” shuck. Unfortunately for Tom, the web site is Obama approved. Obama tried the same thing with Wright’s ravings and we all see how that turned out. Now, he’s got Ayers and Rezko hanging round his neck. Tom would like to have us believe Barry doesn’t have to be accountable for poor judgement.
a capella on May 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM
that’s because it interferes with their belief system.
poor judgment is more of a requirement.
TheCulturalist on May 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM
the troll has been allowed to hijack another thread
snaggletoothie on May 3, 2008 at 1:49 PM
One reason Ayers and Dohrn do a long stretch in prison is because they jumped bail and became fugitives, spending a decade on the lam aided by radical chic liberals. In fact, they have always been the darlings of this class. Sydney Lumet even canonized them with a “fictional” movie called “Running On Empty”, starring Christine Lahti as Dohrn and Judd Hirsch as Ayers (and River Phoenix as their son).
So along with describing these two as “radicals”, “Marxists” and “revolutionaries” be sure to add the word “cowards”. Too scared to stand up to the Man and defend themselves until their liberal friends cut a deal to keep them out of jail.
miles on May 3, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Keemo,
No, I didn’t directly address this question:
Would you agree that both sides have failed this process in recent times?
But I did address the relevant point of whether I think the Ayers connection constitutes a failure of the Democrats properly vetting Obama.
Personally, I think McCain is a good candidate for the Republicans, so I wouldn’t say that they failed in vetting him.
More to your point, I think there’s too much emphasis on “guilt-by-association” politics. This makes it seem like candidates haven’t been properly vetted. I think my point is, if a group of people have the collective will and inclination, they can make ANYONE seem like a bad candidate, based largely in part of blog posts like this one by Ed.
This next point addresses a couple other people here who say I’m not holding Obama accountable for what is said on HIS Web site.
Well, let me reiterate.
Ed said this:
Just in case anyone wonders, like Van Susteren does, whether Ayers and Dohrn have mellowed, revisit this post and the speeches both gave last November. Dohrn still wants an “overthrow” of capitalism, and Ayers still thinks that Red China is on the right track while railing against the “unimaginable authoritarianism” of the US over the last 40 years. And Barack Obama considers this “mainstream”.
First off, using the quotes in this sentence and the use of the word “this” indicates that Obama once himself said the views were mainstream.
The reality is, Obama never uttered the word mainstream in regard to Ayers. His site quotes an Las Vegas newspaper article which states that Ayers and Dohrn had become part of mainstream liberal chicago politics. So the Obama Web site is quoting someone else in showing that Ayers had become a part of mainstream Chicago politics.
In NO WAY does this imply that Obama himself thinks the views referenced by Ed are mainstream. But Ed says it does. This is misleading and dishonest.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 2:48 PM
I’ve noticed that liberals are like Porsches with lawnmower engines. They make a hell of a lot of noise, but are never able to get out of the slow lane.
TheCulturalist on May 3, 2008 at 3:08 PM
I’m having trouble posting today, so let me try this again..
I can never understand why some people are so put out when they think they have spotted a “troll”…there are a buncha smart people here, lets allow some differing viewpoints without getting our knickers in a bunch. Much more interesting than a thread of endless “yeah, me too!”’s.
Hell, its the left who are supposed to be the ones who indulge in endless boring circle jerk talking points-fests, and who won’t tolerate any other perspective being voiced.
surrounded on May 3, 2008 at 3:13 PM
They can indeed be a bit slow on the uptake!
surrounded on May 3, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Murtaugh does a great job in the 2nd video of connecting dots, like the fact that Dohrn and Michelle Obama both worked for the Law firm Sidley & Austin (where Barry met Michelle).This is a must read for more dot connecting along those lines.
The same piece also talks about how Obama went to work for Justin Miner:
All this is relevant because it serves to undercut Barry’s attempts to dismiss his relationship with Ayers and Dohrn as inconsequential.
Also note this flaw in Barry’s I was only 9 years old argument. Marathon Pundit notes this passage from Audacity of Hope:
Hard to believe neither Barry or Michelle Obama didn’t know about Ayers & Dohrn’s violent past.
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Anyone who reads liberal boards and blogs wouldn’t be surprised that a Democrat finds those views “mainstream”. I often read DemocraticUnderground (for the entertainment value…I love how when something bad happens to their party, they cry, light candles, and stare at photos of JFK), and I can tell you, Ayers and Dohrn would fit right in there. Elizabeth Edwards is a poster there, in fact.
capitalist piglet on May 3, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Anyone who reads liberal boards and blogs wouldn’t be surprised that a Democrat finds those views “mainstream”.
This just proves my point.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Excellent points.
When I first heard Obama use the “I was [X number of] years-old” line, I thought it was absurd. I suppose he would have befriended Richard Speck, too, because he was just a little tike when Speck murdered all those nurses.
capitalist piglet on May 3, 2008 at 3:26 PM
I didn’t say all Democrats, Tom. I said “a Democrat”.
To put it another way, it doesn’t surprise me that a Democrat would take comments like that in stride, and conclude that it’s a fairly common viewpoint. It’s not at all unusual to see that sort of discussion going on at DU.
A good share of Obama’s base is made up of people who hate the United States to that degree. If you’re familiar with DU (and something tells me you are), you know what I’m saying is absolutely true.
capitalist piglet on May 3, 2008 at 3:31 PM
capitalist piglet,
You really think this…
But Miner possibly also had ties to the Ayers family. He was law school classmates with Bernardine Dohrn at the University of Chicago (Class of 1968).
Is an excellent point? A guy that hired Obama at a law firm went to law school with Dohrn? You think that is a strong connection? Really?
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 3:32 PM
capitalist piglet on May 3, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Point taken. Not saying I agree with it, but I did misunderstand what you were saying.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Do you have reading comprehension issues, Tom? For one thing, the sentence says “possibly also had ties”. How you extrapolated that to say it was “a strong connection” is anyone’s guess.
Are you going to jump to conclusions about everything I say? I’m not interested in a conversation with someone I constantly have to correct.
capitalist piglet on May 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM
My above post is referring to your post at 3:32, Tom, clearly. Thank you for taking my point in the previous post.
You seem to be supporting Obama; I understand how people get defensive about their candidates, and I know it’s sometimes hard to do, but please try to read what people are actually saying.
capitalist piglet on May 3, 2008 at 3:44 PM
CP, you said excellent points to that post… which contained and ridiculously tenuous attempt at connecting Obama to Ayers. So, I asked if you really thought that was an excellent point. Do you?
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Thank you!
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Shipley, you don’t have the credibility to make demands or charges.
The first thing you’d have to do is get over your leftist defensiveness and realize what a repulsive pair Ayers and Dohrn are - and that Obama KNEW THAT and still associated with them… and you’re not going to do that.
Terrorist sympathizers aren’t really a productive part of the discussion. And that is EXACTLY what you are when you brush this issue off.
This is deadly serious. We’re talking about terrorists here - not just garden-variety ignorant leftist excusers of terror. It’s bad enough that the left is persistently infatuated with the bloodiest regimes in history, but when your ideological bunkmates actually personally engage in terror and advocate its use against our own country, YOU NEED TO KICK THEM OUT OF THE DAMNED BUNK!!!
You have been given the choice, and you chose to remain associated with terrorists. That’s where the guilt part comes in.
Just like Obama.
People whose ideologies aren’t pathological can see that, you know, like everyone else here.
Merovign on May 3, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Well said.
surrounded on May 3, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Shipley, you don’t have the credibility to make demands or charges.
My credibility lies in the points I made. After reading my argument, can you tell me that these words are not misleading?
Just in case anyone wonders, like Van Susteren does, whether Ayers and Dohrn have mellowed, revisit this post and the speeches both gave last November. Dohrn still wants an “overthrow” of capitalism, and Ayers still thinks that Red China is on the right track while railing against the “unimaginable authoritarianism” of the US over the last 40 years. And Barack Obama considers this “mainstream”.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Maybe this will help. Guess where this quote can be found?:
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Why, it’s from Barack Obama’s website. That would be the same website that argues, AYERS AND DOHRN BECAME RESPECTABLE FIXTURES OF THE MAINSTREAM IN CHICAGO
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Look what else is on Barack Obama’s website, as part of his pitiful “I was only 9 years old” argument:
I guess Barry must have skipped this chapter when he studied up on the romantic sixties and learned all about the 1968 Democrat Convention fiasco.
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Buy Danish,
That’s same deal as with the Vegas article. That quotes from an AP article from 2001 one stating how Ayers, once part of a radical group who tried to subvert local Chicago politics, was not part of local Chicago politics. He went from subverter of the political process to part of the political process.
That’s different from saying is more recent radical quotes — and they are radical — represent mainstream Chicago politics. They don’t. Mayor Daley is mainstream Chicago politics. He’s anything but a far-left liberal. As I’ve said before, he and Bush enjoy and pretty close relationship.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Boy, you are such a dweeb. We really need to institute a test for mental fitness before allowing people to vote. People like you will ask if you will be able to join a fraternity when waiting to be put on the trains for the reeducation camps.
peacenprosperity on May 3, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Correction.
Re-education camps have historically been reserved for people who can think or have knowledge which a Totalitarian State would be afraid to have used against it.
Mr. Shipley would be helping load the train, not being loaded on it…
TheCulturalist on May 3, 2008 at 4:23 PM
And your point is?
Moreover, he is still trying to subvert the government, by indoctrinating the kiddies into the wonderful world of Communism, through his education initiatives.
Heck, I just learned that there’s another Ayers brother involved in education. Ricky Ayers, of Huff-Po.
Yep, Tom, John, Bill, Ricky, Bernadine, and Chessa have done yeoman’s work.
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM
And your point is?
Um, it’s in the next paragraph which you cut from my post. Here, I’ll repost it:
That’s different from saying is more recent radical quotes — and they are radical — represent mainstream Chicago politics. They don’t. Mayor Daley is mainstream Chicago politics. He’s anything but a far-left liberal. As I’ve said before, he and Bush enjoy and pretty close relationship
You guys can name call all you want, but the fact is, no one as directly rebutted by main point, which is saying the main point of Ed’s post is misleading.
Tom_Shipley on May 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM
That’s different from saying is more recent radical quotes — and they are radical — represent mainstream Chicago politics. They don’t.
Really? Maybe you should alert Obama’s campaign to that since it’s his own website which insists they are part of the “mainstream”.
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Good Grief.
What would it TAKE for people like “Tom Shipley” to see that Obama is not a good candidate? What?
I guess Obama’s accomplishments and infinite experience are enough to override just about anything, huh?/SARC
NickTx on May 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Isn’t it amazing that barry’s website has to quote newspapers to refute the charges. How about, “I, barry obama, here do state…”. Nope. We won’t see anything like that because in about 2 minutes after it hits the internet he will be proven a liar. It really is mindboggling the use of orwellian practices by the left.
peacenprosperity on May 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
More from above cited article:
Look how Maoists mature and join the political establishment! From Source Watch:
Her husband Marty just might be a Super Delegate.
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Bottom line is Obama served on a board with someone who’s acts in the past he’s called reprehensible and his website states that said person has become mainstream in Chicago politics (NOTE: not that his actions 40 years ago were mainstream).
And the people here think this is a serious political issue. It’s hilarious.
Nonfactor on May 3, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Fixed that for you.
NickTx on May 3, 2008 at 5:57 PM
You and everyone else needs to read the 2 links provided by Buy Danish in her 5:37 post. The first one from Steve Diamond’s blog is fascinating reading. It appears Obama’s rise from obscurity wasn’t by chance.
a capella on May 3, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Here’s an updated version of Steve Diamond’s blog post on “Who Sent Obama” which references John Murtaugh’s interview with Greta Van Susteren.
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Somehow I don’t think Barack Hussein can count on his vote
ToddonCapeCod on May 3, 2008 at 6:44 PM
This is pretty darn cute…it pokes fun at journalists, but I think it can apply to your average Obama supporter as well.
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2008/05/attention-american-journalists-do-you.html
surrounded on May 3, 2008 at 6:50 PM
OOPS, I meant her husband, Allan.
Buy Danish on May 3, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Corrected link to the Steve Diamond blog:
http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/04/who-sent-obama.html
I think part of the problem is that today a large part of the ‘mainstream’ of the Democratic Party is in fact made up of ’60s radicals and their descendants and modern-day sympathizers. Marxist and Maoist ideology is not foreign to them; it is their bread and butter.
Obambi worked cheek-by-jowl with these folk in Chicago. Many have indeed become part of the ‘establishment’, without shedding their ideological orientation. The big question is this:
To what extent does Obambi share this extreme radical left-wing ideology (and for that matter, the variant known as ‘Black Liberation Theology’), and to what extent did he just use his association with all these leftists as stepping stones for his rise to prominence?
MrLynn on May 3, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Daley is an enigma to me regarding the relationship he has with Republicans like Bush for instance and his administration’s fascination with all things Green. There is a level of radicalism in his administration that Ayers also represents. He is the mayor for life, but sooner or later this watermelon environmentalism might just give him some heartburn.
JAW on May 3, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Thanks. There has been some major infiltration going on, hasn’t there? Are the Ayers clan and associates also responsible for Michelle Obama’s upwardly mobile movement to VP? Is there some kind of unholy alliance between the BLT supporters and the old Weatherground types, other than hating capitalism? It appears Bill Ayers success in getting the 50 million dollar grant was the first big step.
a capella on May 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM
this video player worked fine(better than RedLasso!)
And looks “OK” Full screen. its obviously not encoded with high FPS.. but still not bad..
Chakra Hammer on May 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM
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