McCain: Let’s eliminate our dependence on oil so that we don’t have to fight any more Middle Eastern wars

posted at 5:24 pm on May 2, 2008 by Allahpundit

He said it in the context of discussing Iraq so naturally it’s being taken as some sort of confirmation at last of the great neoKKKon war-for-oil conspiracy that’s resulted in cheap energy to the tune of $3.50 a gallon at the pump:

At the end of his Friday town hall meeting in Denver, Colorado, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., seemed to imply that an energy policy less dependent on Middle Eastern oil might have prevented fighting in the region.

“My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East,” McCain told a crowd of 300 at a Jewish Community Center in Denver.

“That will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.”

McCain’s comments came as he was discussing his Democratic rivals’ plans to remove troops from Iraq immediately, which he opposes.

He’s not describing why the war was fought, as I read this, he’s using the hardships of the war as motivation to get right on energy so that we don’t have to relive them. The only ambiguity is whether the future conflict he has in mind stems from a fight for scarce resources or from jihadist elements leveraging the region’s oil wealth to finance aggression. Either way, it’s a sound point. The sooner we’re off crude, the sooner the Ahmadinejads and Wahhabis of tomorrow have to find a new revenue stream to pay for their toys. As for the prospect of a true war for dwindling oil supplies, that’s not a uniquely conservative worry: A bipartisan bill proposed last year called for the CIA and Pentagon to start gaming out war scenarios resulting from resources diminished by, er, global warming, and CNN once devoted a whole special to the consequences of a hypothetical energy crisis. Sample quote:

MATTHEW SIMMONS, OIL ANALYST & AUTHOR, “TWILIGHT IN THE DESERT”: I hear a gong. I heard a ticking clock during the 90s.

SESNO: And if we don’t act, if something doesn’t change? SIMMONS: Well, our life could get a lot darker fast.

SESNO: What is your worst case scenario?

SIMMONS: My worst case scenario is so bad that you don’t want to go there.

SESNO: Tell me?

SIMMONS: We would basically end up having a series of energy wars over who gets oil. And they are wars between you and your neighbor, and they are wars between one town and another, and ultimately one country and another.

Exit question: What exactly is ABC’s issue here?

Update: A brief reminder of how “seriously” Maverick takes this issue.

Update: Checking the Tivo, Chris Matthews was predictably pushing the “Iraq war for oil” interpretation on Hardball about 20 minutes ago.

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McCain knows about War.

pseudonominus on May 2, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Yeah, but he apparently doesn’t know squat about drilling for oil here in these United States. Doofus.

Jaibones on May 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM

How about going to war with the dems and environmentalists and drilling for our own oil as well as building some refineries and nuclear plants?

Les in NC on May 2, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Chris Matthews just distorted this quote beyond all recognition.
Hardball baby!!!

tommylotto on May 2, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Ah come on! Just two days ago(?) he was going to end subsidies for ethanol production?

rockhauler on May 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM

W-T-F ??? The people of ALASKA are begging for drilling to begin.

What a jerk. He’s senile.

stenwin77 on May 2, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Update: A brief reminder of how “seriously” Maverick takes this issue.

What exactly is the problem with McCain’s position here? If it’s Florida’s coast; the voters here should decide whether or not they want drilling. ANWR should be decided the same way. Why are they federal matters?

lorien1973 on May 2, 2008 at 5:37 PM

rockhauler on May 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM

We only have subsidies for ethanol because the subsidies for sugar make it too expensive. It’s silly. Subsidies to pay for the subsidies.

lorien1973 on May 2, 2008 at 5:38 PM

This really bugs me. he keeps saying states should decide their own drilling policy.

Yea, unless that state is Alaska. They want us to drill in ANWAR.

stenwin77 on May 2, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Well, if we didn’t need the oil we could just nuke the Middle East and get it over with once and for all.

(No, I am not really seriously serious.)

EJDolbow on May 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM

In reality, all we need to do is have congress take shale oil off the list of “alternative energy” sources. That way we can get shale oil imported in from Canada and open up our deposits of shale oil for like $50/barrel or something. And completely eliminate our need for foreign oil.

lorien1973 on May 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM

How about going to war with the dems and environmentalists and drilling for our own oil as well as building some refineries and nuclear plants?

Les in NC on May 2, 2008 at 5:33 PM

How about the people who want cars but don’t like $4 gas and don’t like drilling in ANWR go to Iraq next? Fair is fair, and we know they support the troops!

What exactly is the problem with McCain’s position here? If it’s Florida’s coast; the voters here should decide whether or not they want drilling. ANWR should be decided the same way. Why are they federal matters?

lorien1973 on May 2, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Right you are. Let Florida pay $10 for gas, and let the people of Alaska, who are more than ready to drill in ANWR, do so.

Jaibones on May 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Now John, if you want to call somebody a c*nt, Chris Matthews is fair game.

alycan1 on May 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM

And, no, the Floridians do not get to receive ethanol from Illinois corn, redirected away from revenue generating food production to revenue imolating ethanol. Make it out of your sugar cane; we can import sugar from Dominica cheaper than Florida.

Jaibones on May 2, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Maverick evidently hasn’t heard of the Bakken formation.

irishspy on May 2, 2008 at 5:42 PM

So does this mean we start drilling in the Grand Canyon? Make liquid gas from coal? Install nuclear power plants? Take down the Clinton monument to stupidity that low sulphur coal national monument? All we lack is for his congressional friends to give the word.

What this poor old guy knows about the economy you could write in large letters on an index card. It’s sad to see this trotted around in daylight.

tarpon on May 2, 2008 at 5:44 PM

Well, he’s right. If not for oil, the dictators, terrorists, and mullahs would have no funding.

AbaddonsReign on May 2, 2008 at 5:44 PM

how ’bout we eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, just to eliminate our dependence on foreign godamn oil!

RMC1618 on May 2, 2008 at 5:45 PM

How to reduce dependence: boondoggles like ethanol which make everything so expensive the economy tanks and we use less oil.

Thanks McCain

DavidM on May 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM

That way we can get shale oil imported in from Canada and open up our deposits of shale oil for like $50/barrel or something. And completely eliminate our need for foreign oil.

lorien1973 on May 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM

I’m sure there’s some sort of shale oil speckled lizard fish or something that the environMENTALists will use to thwart our use of that source of energy, too. We DO need to fight the war where it really matters, in the liberal enclaves of environmentalist whackos.

NTWR on May 2, 2008 at 5:47 PM

How about going to war with the dems and environmentalists and drilling for our own oil as well as building some refineries and nuclear plants?

Les in NC on May 2, 2008 at 5:33 PM
How about the people who want cars but don’t like $4 gas and don’t like drilling in ANWR go to Iraq next? Fair is fair, and we know they support the troops!
Jaibones on May 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM

WTF? How does that relate to getting our own oil? We could already be getting oil from ANWR if clinton didn’t stop it. China/Cuba are going after the oil off of Florida. I suppose they will build safer rigs. If you believe that I have some toys and dog food I’m sure you would be interested in.

Les in NC on May 2, 2008 at 5:49 PM

AbaddonsReign on May 2, 2008 at 5:44 PM

But even if the US doesn’t buy a single drop the dictators will still have all that unaccountable income. Unless he prefers China fighting Mid-East wars, oil has to be made unimportant for all for the US to slip away.

exception on May 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Well.. Some of the oil $ from the Saudi’s are getting into the hands of terrorists no doubt.

Chakra Hammer on May 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM

lorien1973 on May 2, 2008 at 5:37 PM

The problem is that he’s passing the buck. And maintaining the status quo. And letting the Democrats off the hook. And you see where it’s gotten us.

They’re federal matters if you buy the argument that energy and “dependence on foreign oil” are national security issues.

Not that I endorse that argument, necessarily. I like the argument that we should sit on our fossil fuels as long as possible while everyone else digs theirs up and sells it to us. On the theory that they will, in fact, run out some day.

Apropos of nothing, we have more coal than any other country in the whole solar system. And we can turn it into oil for about $35-40 a barrel (thanks, Nazis!).

We could end our dependence on foreign oil if the politicians really wanted to, with coal, domestic oil, and nuclear. They apparently don’t.

misterpeasea on May 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Jaibones on May 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Sorry reread the post. I misunderstood.

Les in NC on May 2, 2008 at 5:52 PM

McCain has said he will NOT go for ANWR. Lets hope Lisa Murkowski and Ted Stevens get enough of the Senate to approve the new ANWR bill and pass it before who ever gets in. You know Bush will sign it!

I really don’t understand why McCain has issues with this…. he really doesn’t get it.

upinak on May 2, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Oh if we only had a Republican running in this election. In the mean time, I’ve decided that if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, I’m writing in None of the Above.

Snake307 on May 2, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Oh if we only had a Republican running in this election. In the mean time, I’ve decided that if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, I’m writing in None of the Above.

Snake307 on May 2, 2008 at 5:58 PM

I did that in the early vote in the NC primary to hopefully send the maverick a message, I doubt he’ll understand. I don’t think we can afford that option in the general.

Les in NC on May 2, 2008 at 6:05 PM

I’m the Maverick and they like me when I say things like this. Yeah baby.

Angry Dumbo on May 2, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Les in NC on May 2, 2008 at 6:05 PM

People who supposedly vote like snake make me want to vomit. If you don’t like the candidates, that is understandable. Don’t complain if your “guy” didn’t come to the top. Remember not everyone thinks like you and remember that just because people say one thing, doesn’t mean they are like that.

I may not be happy McCain is the one left standing, but I would rather have him then Hillary or Obama.

Mccain may have his faults (what person doesn’t?) but his faults aren’t nearly as bad as Hill or B.O.’s.

upinak on May 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM

If I recall correctly, Saddam Hussein was trying to strike sweetheart oil (and weapons!) deals with nations such as Russia and France, who worked hard to overturn sanctions and let Hussein do whatever he pleased with his own territory, incuding developing WMD and/or harboring known terrorists. To the extent that we went to “war for oil”, we did it because Saddam’s control of oil, and the world’s disregard for his megalomania, posed a significant security threat to us after 9/11. Looking at it this way, the war in Iraq was a war waged to decouple a large segment of the world’s oil production and profits from the WMD and terrorism “industries” that are placing the Middle East in constant conflict. If that’s a “war for oil”, I have no problem with it.

Big S on May 2, 2008 at 6:16 PM

It’s a sound point. With the proper incentives *not penalties* the market would move very quickly to get us off the oil habit.

Top 5 countries we import from?

Canada
Saudi
Mexico
Nigeria
Venezuela

Being over a barrel with these guys can’t be good – in the case of saudi we are effectively funding the jihad through our purchases…

Ares on May 2, 2008 at 6:22 PM

He’s as clueless as ever.
His was the deciding vote against drilling in ANWR, thus cutting off 25-30% of our national daily oil production for no reason whatsoever, other than kissing the ass of the lib MSM.
There’s also the issue of the 50 billion dollars every year that now go overseas that would be kept here at home.

He has, in short, no energy plan whatsoever, other than a slow and financially destructive energy starvation.

What a pathetic excuse of a nominee…

TexasJew on May 2, 2008 at 6:23 PM

McCain should just shut-up. He does just fine in the polls without opening his gorb. When he stats talking it just reminds me of why I don’t like the guy.

thatcher on May 2, 2008 at 6:23 PM

McCain should just shut-up. He does just fine in the polls without opening his gorb. When he stats talking it just reminds me of why I don’t like the guy.

thatcher on May 2, 2008 at 6:23 PM

McCain doesn’t need to speak to remind me, I’d have to have a frontal lobotomy to forget why I don’t like him.

Snake307 on May 2, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Ethanol is not a boondoggle, in fact without it the price of gas would be about 40 cents more a gallon than it is now and diesel would be even higher. That would add even more to farmers’ cost of production and that would not exactly bring down prices.

A few years ago the price of wheat got so low that even with subsidies it was not worth growing and production fell off. Now it is high. The same is true with rice. But in fact the problem is that the high price of commodities can be traced to the booming demand from Asia for all sorts of raw materials.

Scrap steel is $320 a ton. A friend of mine runs a salvage yard and he said that same steel was worth about $80 a ton a few years ago.

If energy prices were to fall, then the demand for commodities and ethanol and other kinds of energy would diminish as well.

This demand for energy has allowed a bunch of autocratic crazy people from the Middle East to exercise a control over the world economy that has been truly destructive.

Terrye on May 2, 2008 at 6:26 PM

TexasJew on May 2, 2008 at 6:23 PM

That and BLM’s/USGS’s unwillingness to not open Gull Island, certain NPRA areas and that is just Alaska in short makes me mad oh and beloved ANWR. Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, and others in the “Basin” as I am starting to call it are slow in opening but at least they are doing it.

BLM needs to open it’s eyes and get their leadership out…. or start bugging the DOE Director to get off his butt and start trying to open them!

upinak on May 2, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Texas jew:

You can call him pathetic all you want, but he won fair and square in spite of a lot of the people who are complaining about him. Maybe if the right had not gone to such lengths to piss off so many people in the middle they could actually come up with a candidate they could stand and who had a snow ball’s chance of winning an election.

But if they did, it would only be a matter of time before they turned on him and helped the Democrats destroy him.

I have been voting Republican for years now and I have done that in spite of a lot of the kind of people who complain about McCain and Bush and just about everyone. No doubt the same is true of a lot of other Republican voters. The sad truth is that the right has a bad habit of eating its own. A regular circular firing squad and because of that we run a damn good chance of having either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama as president.

The truth is that the Democrats are not talking about opening up ANWR or pushing for all kinds of production and yet the American people seem ready to put them in charge. What does that tell you?

Terrye on May 2, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Is AP trying to boost Friday afternoon traffic by luring in the PaulNuts with some fresh squeezed conspiracy post? Sad.

of the great neoKKKon war-for-oil conspiracy

Answer: Yes.

malan89 on May 2, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Terrye on May 2, 2008 at 6:33 PM

It wasn’t the conservatives who lost the middle; it was the RINOs like McCain who muddled the middle.
They “cheapened the brand”, as we say.
imagine if he was sending out a positive conservative message that attacked the Left for getting us into this energy mess.
But how can he? HE VOTED AGAINST DRILLING IN FRIGGING ANWR!
And how can he defend our borders?
Or speak up for free speech?
Or speak out against the leftwing Global Warming and its trillion dollar shakedown?
Or speak up for free enterprise?
How can he, when he doesn’t even stand up for these things when he’s getting questions from his beloved MSM. He folds up like a deck of cards.

He is a one-note military guy with nothing upstairs but ego and too many years in that rancid craphole we call the US Senate.

Conservatism, when it is well-presented and explained to people, wins elections. Bush II can;t speak and McCain doesn’t seem to know what the hell he’s talking about except for military matters.
I’m an exploration geologist and his energy policy makes me sick. It’s all soundbites and bullcrap, like those two idiots on the other side of the aisle.
He’d be a great defense secretary, but that’s not the job he’s running for.

TexasJew on May 2, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Neocons: Smart enough to fool almost every Democrat congressman into voting for the war, but dumb enough to fail miserably at securing the oil we supposedly went into Iraq for in the first place.

People really believe this stuff. Ugh.

TheUnrepentantGeek on May 2, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Excellent “neocon” Frank Gaffney has been saying this same thing for a long time. For that matter, so have I. There are only so many times that you can send your husband to deployments in the middle east before the whole DUH moment hits….really, those savages didn’t bother us much after Jefferson solved the Barbary Pirate problem. They didn’t have a source of funding until the oil boom.

Isn’t this a no-brainer?

funky chicken on May 2, 2008 at 6:49 PM

If McCain is still losing sleep over the issue of torture, he should stop talking about the MidEast beyond the need for resolution in pursuing our interests – the bumbling (albeit conventional Beltway wisdom) otherwise is incredibly painful. But even more importantly, most commenters here – and posters – and just about everybody else also need to get a clue WRT oil “dependency”.

We – and the fabulously dynamic, growing world economy with which we are quite integrated – are dependent on oil for energy and other needs for a good reason – it’s the best commodity for its use at prevailing prices. Period. Just as is gypsum for wall-board, and sand for cement, and softwoods for framing houses. There’s nothing special about oil, other than it having the most efficient global market of any commodity.

All talk of “energy independence” – all – is stupid and misleading, in the most fundamental ways:

1) Petroleum is, by far, the best commodity for its current uses, at current prices. We are dependent on it to the extent we want to maintain current standards and modes of living. Any changes to reduce oil consumption, other things being equal, will entail significant reductions in living standards and economic activity with current infrastructure and technology.

2) Petroleum is a global commodity, produced, refined, marketed, distributed, and priced as efficiently as any item in human history. Short of surely ruinous and chaotic attempts to separate the US from world markets WRT this commodity through export controls and price regulation, there IS no separating ourselves from the world oil market. We don’t import much actual oil from the MidEast, but it doesn’t matter – it’s a GLOBAL market, and adjusting for things like different sulfur/parafin levels and configuration of specific refineries for specific feedstocks, it doesn’t matter where the oil comes from, and the price will be the same for everyone (save for producers who stupidly sell at subsidized prices – Mexico, OAPEC, etc).

3) Petroleum prices were almost unchanged in real terms for nearly 3 generations. Current and recent price increases reflect global supply/demand. Feasible increases in supply – within the US and world-wide – will be unlikely to return average prices to levels to which people are accustomed. Oil is not “running out,” and there is no “crisis”, but the balance of demand vs. supply has shifted due primarily to the great success of the US and free markets in mobilizing increasing percentages of the human race into economic growth and opportunity (China and India, for short).

4) Global jihadism does not rely in any way on a given level of oil wealth or cash flows. It is an ideologically driven menace whose most damaging attacks are inexpensive to mount. The only relevance of oil money is in state sponsorship and possible WMD proliferation. Unfortunately, mass-casualty terrorist operations and even WMD technologies do not require that much in the way of financial resources either (any more). Iraq under the old regime was easily able to pursue an extremely ambitious, broad, and sophisticated WMD program embracing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons as well as delivery systems, as well as substantial economic development, all on real price levels of oil we can only dream of today.

5) Therefore our strategic or security interests in the MidEast are not and will not be affected by whether oil is a bit more or a bit less expensive. The jihadi enemy will not be affected by the oil situation, and our strategic interests, both economic and security, drive our interests in the MidEast.

Translated: there’s no such thing as “energy independence”, and even if there were it wouldn’t get you anything strategically anyway, if you’re the US, with unique capabilities and exceedingly compelling interests in the geopolitical and security situation in the MidEast. Additional points: drilling off FL and CA and in ANWR all make sense, but let’s not pretend that even the dream scenario of increased production would return us to even the later chapters of the 70-yr marvel of cheap oil. It WON’T.

The torture of hearing everyone on all points of the political spectrum mangle these issues has become unbearable. The “conservatives” are correct that increased production is desirable (domestic or foreign is irrelevant), the “liberals” are pretty ridiculous (even by their standards) in their opposition to increased production, NIMBY-types in FL, CA, and elsewhere are the same – but everyone without exception displays a complete lack of understanding of economics, the oil markets, and US foreign policy when they discuss the chimerical issue of “energy independence”.

IceCold on May 2, 2008 at 6:51 PM

How to reduce dependence: boondoggles like ethanol which make everything so expensive the economy tanks and we use less oil.

Thanks McCain

DavidM on May 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM

You do know that McCain opposed the ethanol subsidy program from the beginning, right?

funky chicken on May 2, 2008 at 6:52 PM

he’s using the hardships of the war as motivation to get right on energy so that we don’t have to relive them. The only ambiguity is whether the future conflict he has in mind stems from a fight for scarce resources or from jihadist elements leveraging the region’s oil wealth to finance aggression. Either way, it’s a sound point. The sooner we’re off crude, the sooner the Ahmadinejads and Wahhabis of tomorrow have to find a new revenue stream to pay for their toys.

I think you have to work really hard to believe otherwise. Of course Chrissy Matthews and lots of “True Conservatives” are obviously perfectly willing to do so.

funky chicken on May 2, 2008 at 6:54 PM

This isn’t just about cheap oil; it’s about our government purposely sitting on 40 billion barrels of our critical national oil reserves when we need more of it and denying us access.
in other words, stealing it.

TexasJew on May 2, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Frank Gaffney column from National Review:

http://www.nationalreview.com/gaffney/gaffney200508040819.asp

Gaffney’s book with intro by Victor Davis Hanson:
http://www.amazon.com/War-Footing-Steps-America-Prevail/dp/1591143012

funky chicken on May 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Sorry, I hate to do this but, I’m posting just on the Headline, didn’t even read the comments.
If you think the terrorist are pissed at us now, just wait till we stop sending them our money for their oil.
Ok that’s it now I’ll read the post.

Gwillie on May 2, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Damn it. McCain went and told everyone the secret. Say goodnight to the bad guy!

Seixon on May 2, 2008 at 7:16 PM

The truth is that the Democrats are not talking about opening up ANWR or pushing for all kinds of production and yet the American people seem ready to put them in charge. What does that tell you?

Terrye on May 2, 2008 at 6:33 PM

I suspect that a candidate willing to stand up and say,

“CO2 IS GOOD FOR AMERICA!”

and

“AMERICAN ENERGY FOR AMERICAN GROWTH!”

would do very well in the general election.

Sombody tell Senator McCain.

MrLynn on May 2, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Oil has nothing central to do with being at war in the Middle East or with fighting jihadis -who attack us because of their imperialistic, expansionistic ideology.

Muslim-dominated oil states will still funnel some of their profits to their brother jihadi warriors whether we need the crude or not, because someone will buy the crude (China, India, the EU, etc.) and continue to permit the skimmed proceeds by Saudi Arabia, etc., to fund the same Jihad.

McCain’s point misses the real cause of the current War Against Islamofascism, and confuses it with our need to secure Oil.

Unless he can make petroleum fuel worth less, globally, by replacing it with a renewable, cheap, Western-developed substitute, the Jihad will keep running on it, with us or without us.

Only be devaluing oil, as a commodity, and by undermining the ideology of Islamic imperialism will we be free of the need to fight in that, or any other region where the Jihad arises.

profitsbeard on May 2, 2008 at 7:26 PM

I always find it interesting that some of the simplest, fastest ways to reduce our dependence on oil are never discussed/avoided like the plague. Tell me again why every family needs 2 vehicles.

Connie on May 2, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Heck Connie, tell me why anyone needs a Hummer ( the vehicle you pigs…lol) or a Cadillac Escalade or a Mercedes? I’m a die hard conservative but even I see some vehicles as just plain stupid.

MNDavenotPC on May 2, 2008 at 7:39 PM

We have 1 vehicle. It’s a 1996 Honda Civic with 230,000 miles on it. It runs like a dream and my husband gets 50 mpg by driving the speed limit. And yeah, we are starting to look around just in case it decides to quit.

Connie on May 2, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Heck Connie, tell me why anyone needs a Hummer ( the vehicle you pigs…lol) or a Cadillac Escalade or a Mercedes? I’m a die hard conservative but even I see some vehicles as just plain stupid.

MNDavenotPC on May 2, 2008 at 7:39 PM

I always find it interesting that some of the simplest, fastest ways to reduce our dependence on oil are never discussed/avoided like the plague. Tell me again why every family needs 2 vehicles.

Connie on May 2, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Oh, please. Tell us what to drive. In Cuba, the Govmt tell the citizens who can drive, what they can drive and when they can drive.

Before we dictate what the “free” citizens of this country can drive, how ’bout we do an inventory of our wonderful elected officials’ vehicles.

When THEY give up their Mercedes, I will.

stenwin77 on May 2, 2008 at 8:01 PM

We have 1 vehicle. It’s a 1996 Honda Civic with 230,000 miles on it. It runs like a dream and my husband gets 50 mpg by driving the speed limit. And yeah, we are starting to look around just in case it decides to quit.

Connie on May 2, 2008 at 7:52 PM

What’s your point.?

We have a Porche Cayenne Turbo, Porsche 911, and a MB CLK 500,a 34′boat, and 2 motorcycles. I wouldn’t want to trade places with you nor would I impose my lifestyle on anyone else.

stenwin77 on May 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Relax, stenwin
Nobody is telling you anything…. for God’s sake, nobody can say anything without somebody getting in a hissy fit. We opined, okay? Enjoy your Mercedes…..

MNDavenotPC on May 2, 2008 at 8:06 PM

The only ambiguity is whether the future conflict he has in mind stems from a fight for scarce resources or from jihadist elements leveraging the region’s oil wealth to finance aggression.

It’s not the only ambiguity, unless one considers liberating people from oppressive regimes or keeping Israel on the map unimportant.

Connie on May 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Mr. Gaffney and his esteemed colleagues offer ten specific steps that Americans, as individuals and as communities, can take to ensure their way of life and safety and the future well-being of their children and grandchildren. These steps include detailed recommendations about how to:

– Know the enemy

– Really support U.S. troops

Provide for the country’s energy security

Stop investing in terror

– Equip the country for war at home

– Counter the mega-threat: an EMP attack

– Secure U.S. borders and the interior against illegal immigration

– Wage political warfare

– Launch regional initiatives

– Wield effective diplomacy

This book is a highly readable and definitive owners manual for the War for the Free World. Whether we like it or not, every American owns a stake in its outcome. War Footing tells us how we can make sure it comes out right.

What is wrong with this prescription?

funky chicken on May 2, 2008 at 8:18 PM

$3.50/gallon?? Where did you find gas that cheap? Now that I think about it, living in NYC you probably don’t even own a car. Be thankful.

clancy_wiggum on May 2, 2008 at 8:21 PM

If it is a war for oil, it’s the environmentalists’ fault.

Caribou needed space that’s why
All those Iraqis had to die

Kafir on May 2, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Does he envision us removing our protection from Israel? Because that’s probably the biggest reason we’re over there. Perhaps he’s going to go find descendants of the Ottomans and give them their empire back.

Kafir on May 2, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Olby is loving this!

ThePrez on May 2, 2008 at 8:43 PM

In times of war, ever since World War I, access to fuel for ships, trains, trucks, tanks, and aircraft is survival. Still to this day, sometimes oil is more than just oil. It’s the ability to survive.

RBMN on May 2, 2008 at 8:56 PM

It is wiser to go after everyone else’s oil first, and hold on to our own reserves. Environmentalists are useful idiots. When it’s crisis, we’ll drill our own. Just watch.

John the Libertarian on May 2, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Senator McCain has had open questions concerning his temperament…?

“John McCain cupped a fist and began pumping it, up and down, along the side of his body. It was a gesture familiar to a participant in the closed-door …”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/19/AR2008041902224.html


Did Saint Mc attack a congressman…?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S89hfSXMZms


Is Saint Mc guilty of ruthless bipartisanship…?

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=04&year=2008&base_name=ruthless_bipartisanship

That stated; dose he have issues with his own “strategery” for our present catastrophic war in Iraq…?
Not at all…!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/mccain-implies-iraq-war-i_n_99866.html

Finally we get the “Straight Talk Express”…lo after these many dispicable years of death and destruction?

J_Gocht on May 2, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Ethanol is not a boondoggle

Terrye on May 2, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Really? Even leftist kooks now admit it. Paul Krugman. Newsweek.

It takes more energy to make ethanol than the ethanol contains, according to a Berkeley(!) professor.

And then there’s the contribution to mythical global warming, not to mention the starvation and food riots caused by using food as fuel.

I’d call that a boondoggle. Otherwise, why does the gummint have to pass laws and subsidize it?

misterpeasea on May 2, 2008 at 9:10 PM

“AMERICAN ENERGY FOR AMERICAN GROWTH!”

would do very well in the general election.

Sombody tell Senator McCain.

MrLynn on May 2, 2008 at 7:22 PM

isn’t that what he’s talking about?

funky chicken on May 2, 2008 at 9:17 PM

Maverick evidently hasn’t heard of the Bakken formation.

irishspy on May 2, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Here is another article about the Huge oil field in North Dakota.

And of course Mexico found a huge oil field also, believed to be perhaps 10 billion barrels two years ago, I would think it would be close to coming into production.

And Brazil believes it has found an 8 billion barrel field as of last year.

The South Koreans found another one of about the same size.

Another one in Ghana.

China just signed a deal to develop a huge find in Iran, not that WE would get any of that oil but at least that takes pressure off of the world market.

So it appears the world is awash in oil. So why are prices so high? It’s got to be problems with our own energy policy, there is no shortage of oil.

Maxx on May 2, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Saint Mc’s, saintly truth telling…!

WOW…!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d65_1209770292


I’m on the straight talk express baby…!

J_Gocht on May 2, 2008 at 9:39 PM

No surprise here. This is true. It’s because with us dependent on oil, it gives them and their terrorist friends enough money to fight us. Cut off the oil, cut off the money, win the war.

indythinker on May 2, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Yah just gotta luv the “Straight Talk Express”…!

“Awwww. I see that our illustrious governor, Smilin’ Tim Pawlenty, has already done a Lieberman and whispered into his would-be running mate’s ear, because John Sidney McCain III’s doin’ the ol’ walkback again:”
http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/02/just-another-mccain-moment/

“…doin’ the ol’ walkback again:”

But that’s just good olde St. Mc…!

J_Gocht on May 2, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Can’t a single day go by without McCain saying something hideous? I’d like a day off, for goodness sake!

Sounds like war for oil.

I thought that was a Democrat talking point.

. . .

Oh, yeah. . .I forgot.

seanrobins on May 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM

“My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East,” McCain told a crowd of 300 at a Jewish Community Center in Denver.

“That will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.”

Does McCain have to keep saying, “My friends”? It has gotten even more irritating than Hannity’s also so over used, “You’re a Great American!”. Both are even more irritating than, “Have a nice day”. McCain has rendered, “My friends” and Hannity has rendered, “You’re a Great American!” now essentially meaningless.

The logically inescapable conclusion from what McCain said is that either he does believe that we are in Iraq because of oil or he is going senile.

MB4 on May 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM

St Mc… does mea culpa concerning earlier gaffe…!

McCain clarifies remark about oil, Iraq war
http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/02/mccain-clarifies-remark-about-oil-iraq-war/

Hooaah Mc…!

J_Gocht on May 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM

isn’t that what he’s talking about?

funky chicken on May 2, 2008 at 9:17 PM

No, it’s not. He doesn’t have a clue about it, and had to retract much of what he said. He hasn’t recently said anything about ANWR – a mosquito infested frozen swamp, aka tundra, which he has(in January) compared to the majestic Grand Canyon. No drilling in ANWR, no drilling anywhere, I suppose. In other words, he has no energy policy at all. Some meaningless babbling about nuclear, and that’s about it. So he doesn’t like ethanol – not many people do, any more. But oil – he has no clue.
He’s going to have to be put on a short lease by his staff, because he is gaffe-ridden and error-prone. The question of senility will be raised, I am sure.
It’s going to get ugly when the shite hits the fan for our chosen candidate.

TexasJew on May 3, 2008 at 1:40 AM

After OPEC is finished bilking us for all our dough, maybe they’ll at least build a big roller coaster in Dubai.

Travis1 on May 3, 2008 at 2:33 AM

Ethanol is not a boondoggle, in fact without it the price of gas would be about 40 cents more a gallon than it is now and diesel would be even higher. That would add even more to farmers’ cost of production and that would not exactly bring down prices.

Wrong. Ethanol is a mandate pushed by Agribusiness to increase the bottom line for their industry. The ethanol mandate has run up the price of corn and other food commodities because corn is being used now for both food and energy consumption, and farmers are planting less of the other basic food crops in favor of growing more corn for the bigger $$$. This–obviously–causes the prices of those crops to go up as well due to less production with a stable or slightly increased demand.

A smarter source for energy would be METHANOL. There are multiple sources for this fuel and the conversion to existing infrastructure to use it in everyday life would be minimal.

If energy prices were to fall, then the demand for commodities and ethanol and other kinds of energy would diminish as well.

Energy prices, overall, aren’t going to fall anytime soon due to world-wide demand.

This demand for energy has allowed a bunch of autocratic crazy people from the Middle East to exercise a control over the world economy that has been truly destructive.

Terrye on May 2, 2008 at 6:26 PM

The Middle East isn’t the only place in the world where oil is produced. Look at the U.S. Department of Energy’s statistics from which countries the U.S. imports oil. Canada is the U.S.’s consistent top supplier of oil (and natural gas too). Are there two or three countries from the Mideast that supply us with oil? Yes. The fact remains, though, that we import more oil from countries OUTSIDE the Mideast than those with obvious political agendas would care to let be known.

eanax on May 3, 2008 at 10:47 AM

The truth is that the Democrats are not talking about opening up ANWR or pushing for all kinds of production and yet the American people seem ready to put them in charge. What does that tell you?

Terrye on May 2, 2008 at 6:33 PM

That when it comes to politics and economics most people are stupid beyond comprehension.

eanax on May 3, 2008 at 10:53 AM

eanax on May 3, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Amen, brother.

I like my ethanol with rocks and salt.

As far as methanol or any other alternative energy source, my problem is not with the source, it’s with the gummint mandating and/or subsidizing it.

Especially when we’re floating on oceans of oil. The world has more proven reserves of oil today than at any other time in history. And I’m not sure that includes the recent South American discoveries, or Wyoming’s Bakken formation, among many others.

[preach/]It’s sheer insanity to demonize oil. Oil is a gift from the deity of your choice: from a physics viewpoint, the abundance of oil and the ease of converting it to energy is nothing short of miraculous. People don’t grasp just how rare sources of energy are in this universe. And the effect it has had on mankind in general and poor people in particular is a blessing. Oil has done more good for more poor people than all the gummint programs in history.[/preach]

misterpeasea on May 3, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Not one single idiot in Washington understands basic economics. We need to throw the whole bunch out and start over. I heard McCain the other day on Glen Beck say he wouldn’t drill in ANWR – his plan – same old, same old “alternative energy” garbage we’ve heard for 30 years. Meanwhile gas prices keep going up and Congress does nothing.

jdawg on May 3, 2008 at 3:40 PM

So why are prices so high? It’s got to be problems with our own energy policy, there is no shortage of oil.

Because the idiots in Wash do not understand the bare basics of supply and demand. They’d rather ban the light bulb!

jdawg on May 3, 2008 at 3:43 PM