Esthier on August 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM

I don’t care what ridiculous off-topic personal attack you throw at me. The bottom line: You are absolutely, unequivocally, 100% wrong.

You ARE funding the Obama/Biden presidential campaign with your purchase. The Chairman and CEO of GTA4 publisher Take-Two Interactive contributed thousands to the Obama, Biden, and even Edwards. A top contributor to the design and creation of GTA4 gave $4,600 to the Obama campaign

Let’s back up: Your original assumption is that GTA4 is neither Republican nor Democrat and therefore you are allowed to support the producers of the game by purchasing or renting the game.

Many here (including me) tried to explain that you were arguing from a false assumption (one that I said that you either knew to be false and lied to cover yourself or you were completely ignorant of the facts), but you and another commenter tried to justify your false assumption with laughably flimsy “proof” that GTA is non-partisan because it sort of made fun of vegans in between its constant condemnation of mainstream political conservatives, devout Christians, and other people that practice traditional values.

When commenters made the point that your monetary support of GTA engendered a climate that makes anyone living with traditional values a constant target of ridicule and scorn, you dismissed that point by claiming that how you spent your money was your right to choose your own personal entertainment, your money wasn’t actually funding an anti-traditionalist/anti-Republican group of artists because GTA skewers both sides (remember, the smart guy in the game that killed the crazy gun-toting Christian racist Nazi made fun of the vegan that one time) and anyone that disagreed with you was neither mature nor intelligent.

The fact is that none of the men that create, produce, distribute, and profit from selling you GTA4 contributed any of their large salaries–again funded largely or wholly from the sale of GTA games–to Republicans.

This is a fact. You cannot dispute this. When you say that your purchase and enjoyment of GTA has no adverse effects on Republicans or other people living with traditional values is wrong.

You. Are. Wrong.

Any man or woman you interact with is a child of God–and God has no grandchildren.

That’s a retarded statement. Just because we’re “God’s children,” it doesn’t mean we’re actually children. See, I’m still my mother’s child, but I’m an adult. Crazy how those things work.

And the whole point wasn’t about children but about my children, which don’t exist and who wouldn’t play this game anyway. I have no control over anyone else, even if we are all God’s children.

You take your money and give it to those who damn you and those who think like you to an increasingly harsh life of scorn and ridicule for no other reason that our beliefs.

And you avoid doing this by… what? Do you ask the clerk at the grocery store who bags your food if they damn you and ridicule others just to make sure you’re not funding anyone who would do that? And do you boycott all companies that disagree with you, even those related to the companies that disagree with you?

because it’s all about you.

A person’s source of entertainment is ALWAYS all about that person. I’m not a sheep. I can’t find enjoyment is something just because someone else finds enjoyment in it. If that’s your talent, feel free not to tell anyone. They’ll lose all respect for you.

You encourage Jewish blacksmiths to sell nails to the Romans and buy your tickets to the crucifixion, because the Romans know how to party and seders are so dull…

You are completely ignorant, and a hateful person who knows nothing about personal responsibility.

It’s disgusting that you’d ever taint the name of Jesus by calling yourself a Christian when you are exactly like those Christ preached most vehemently against while He was here.

White washed tomb… pretty on the outside, nasty and rotting on the inside, so completely filled with hate that you are blinded to your own sin.

I said multiple times that I don’t have children, and I’ve also said that if I did have children that I’d never let them play this game.

Any man or woman you interact with is a child of God–and God has no grandchildren.

You take your money and give it to those who damn you and those who think like you to an increasingly harsh life of scorn and ridicule for no other reason that our beliefs. You do this because you have said that it is your personal choice to spend your money on whatever gives you personal pleasure even if it’s not in the best interest of your friends or family or society–because it’s all about you.

You encourage Jewish blacksmiths to sell nails to the Romans and buy your tickets to the crucifixion, because the Romans know how to party and seders are so dull…

You’re either a self-loathing fool or truly ignorant of the basic economics of your purchase.

for those kids of yours

Repetition doesn’t even work on you. Do you actually have problems reading? Is English not your first language?

I said multiple times that I don’t have children, and I’ve also said that if I did have children that I’d never let them play this game.

And for the record, I don’t even consider you a Christian.

Ke-e-e-e-e-e-eep diggin’ that grave, honey.

I’m the one fighting against it with every means I have available.

ScottMcC on May 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM

An anonymous comment on a blog, on a page that long ago moved off of the front?

Fight the good fight, Scott!

Don’t let anyone tell you the tinfoil clashes with your outfit! That’s just you being you!!!

I’m the one fighting against it with every means I have available.

When I was a child, I watched a five minute block of Captain Planet once and then never watched it again.

I understood even as a child that by watching a show, boosting its ratings, and allowing the advertisers and producers of the cartoon to thrive, I would be supporting further production of more cartoons like it.

Basic economic realities understood by a middle-class rural child with no cable TV over twenty years ago lost on a full-grown woman who is unable to comprehend the same thing when it comes to her choices in entertainment to fulfill her self-centered desires twenty years later.

Speaking of basic realities not understood, unless you were a Nielsen family, whether you watched Capt. Planet or not would have no impact whatsoever on its ratings.

Sorry, even if I am funding people who disagree with me (horror of horrors!!!!!!!), at least I don’t need a padded cell.

I understood even as a child that by watching a show, boosting its ratings, and allowing the advertisers and producers of the cartoon to thrive, I would be supporting further production of more cartoons like it.

Basic economic realities understood by a middle-class rural child with no cable TV over twenty years ago lost on a full-grown woman who is unable to comprehend the same thing when it comes to her choices in entertainment to fulfill her self-centered desires twenty years later.

You actually have to decide to go to your apartment and watch TV in order to see that stupid 9 minute show.

You think people spend 60 bucks on a game to watch TV?

This country is stronger than Germany, Russia, China and Cuba. The fact that you think otherwise only further implicates you as a paranoid schizophrenic.

Scott, I was a child when the propaganda-driven Captain Planet was on TV, and I watched the show. Somehow, I’m still able to think for myself when it comes to oil companies and Global Warming. If your children are unable to do so, that speak of them only, not American children in general.

Germany. Russia. China. Cuba. They all did it. It’ll happen in the USA thanks in no small part to selfish and myopic libertines that fund the influencers.

In sincerely hope you’re not armed.

You did and you are funding the people that want you and your family and anyone that thinks like you to die.

You are insane if you actually believe some programmers want conservatives to die.

You mean you’re funding people who want to kill you?

So you’re not just self righteous, you’re also a hypocrite.

Playing a game in a PC test lab for an employer isn’t purchasing a game. You did and you are funding the people that want you and your family and anyone that thinks like you to die.

And you can’t prove your statement about fairness in GTA 4’s satire because it doesn’t exist. Others in this forum have already confirmed that GTA 4 is completely slanted against traditional political conservatism and yet you still rant about how you are justified in funding a GTA 5 to push the lines even farther to the Left because of your personal proclivities towards crass, self-loathing entertainment.

You’re not even waiting for the noose to be slipped over your neck–you’re actively digging your own grave.

Oh, wait. I guess that means I have played GTA before. And I do know what I’m talking about.

ScottMcC on May 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM

You mean you’re funding people who want to kill you?

So you’re not just self righteous, you’re also a hypocrite.

Still haven’t linked to that 9 minutes of anti-Democrat or anti-liberal video from GTA you’ve been promising… because it doesn’t exist.

I thought only liberals continued to move the bar back in order to prove their point.

I never promised it, but you wouldn’t know that because you either can’t read what I write or chose not to read it. Either way, there’s clearly no point in me typing this.

But hey, keep your pants on. I just got the game on Friday, and as promised, as soon as I find something, I’ll let you know. As you know though, it’s a very extensive game. It might take me a little while.

I also avoided the idiotic “GOURANGA” bonuses for killing innocents and mostly played multiplayer “cops and robbers”-style games with friends over a network. It seems like the game wasn’t even in Windows back then and the networking was done through IPX rather than TCP/IP.

Brutal.

Oh, wait. I guess that means I have played GTA before. And I do know what I’m talking about.

The talk station is one long extremely vulgar take on conservative talk radio. It is blatantly obvious that no one at Rockstar has heard one minute of Rush, etc., because it is so over the top. Also, the news is all presented by “Weazel News”, an oh-so clever riff on Fox News. Smacks of taking the easy cheap shot to me and is just lazy writing.

Honestly, I enjoyed the other GTA games but I think Rockstar is really slipping with their writing on this one. The main story is fine, but the commercials and radio stations are just too “wink, wink, nudge, nudge” for their own good now.

The commercial about the “gangsta dance movie” could be funny on its own, but they actually spell out the whole joke in the commercial thus ruining any punchline. All of the humor is self-aware instead on standing on its own merits.

You two cannot possibly believe the NPR gag of a know-it-all nasal announcer (rehashed from an over ten year-old SNL skit) referees an argument between a stereotypically stupid Christian pastor and a crass yet incredibly knowledgeable activist qualifies as balanced satire. Notice that all of the “LOL” comments on YouTube concerned how stupid and out of touch the Christian pastor was in the balanced NPR satire?

You’re still funding the people who want to eradicate you. You’re buying the rope from the communists who will then slip the noose around your neck. You’re hating the troops but supporting the war because you can’t do without your personal entertainment and damn anyone who points out your selfish actions are part of the problem rather than a solution.

Vice City Public Radio

Here’s information about different personalities on the GTA radio stations, which is where all the parodies from the previous games have come from.

When more information about GTA4 is available, or after I buy it myself, I might be able to tell you about some video parodies.

Here’s information about different personalities on the GTA radio stations, which is where all the parodies from the previous games have come from.

Martin Graves – A technologist and stereotypical nerd that has absurdly futuristic dreams, many with a high concentration of robots, as well as a variety of strange sexual fetishes. Abhors mainstream religion as obsolete and derides creationism in classrooms. It’s also implied that he’s a transvestite.

Forbes Waverly III- An uncaring and ruthless industrialist from Connecticut whose name and behavior are very masculine, implying that she is asexual, if not also a militant feminist much like Michaela Carapadis from K-CHAT. She is obsessed with the economy and possession. Her acerbic behavior is attributed to her being neglected by her father as a child.

A professor and exaggerated feminist Michaela Carapadis (Mary Birdsong). She is over-obsessed with hating men and even dresses as one. She also discusses her recently-published thesis, which describes an undercover experience on her study into the male psyche: cross-dressing so as to approach males and study their mentality.

Social activist and extreme liberal Callum Crayshaw is a stereotypically-concerned rich boy who wants to “help the poor” in completely unfeasible ways with an organization he formed called “Speaking for the Underdog”, and often talks about his trips to other continents (funded by his wealthy businessman father, who doesn’t seem to care about the same issues at all).

Naturist Barry Stark, a naturist and a liar, with sexuality issues (he gets erections several times during the debate, and even tries to make out with Maurice). He also appeared as a caller on Chatterbox FM in Grand Theft Auto III, where he makes similar comments about nudity.

Konstantinos is a parody of a stereotyped “goth”. He tells Maurice things like, “The world is a lie, man. Only darkness is truth.” He mentions that he had never been out in open sunlight in upwards of 18 years. Maurice calls him a “manically depressed loonie with anemia.”

A spiritual enlightenment talk show hosted by a new wave teenage hippie named Melissa Chowder.

Another call is from a SPANK-head, referring to the increasingly popular leisure drug prevalent in the game. He refers to Lazlow as a pansy and goes on about conspiracies and government brainwashing involving toothpaste.

Political debate show hosted by husband-and-wife liberal-and-conservative team of Peyton Phillips and Mary Phillips. Peyton and Mary are caricatures of their ideologies: Peyton is extremely liberal, and Mary is a hardcore conservative. For example, when dealing with a caller that had recently buried numerous corpses in his backyard, Mary advises the caller on how to use the corpses to evade his taxes while Peyton mentions recycling and organ donation.

A Coast to Coast AM spoof hosted by Marvin Trill. Broadcasting from ‘his trailer in the desert’, Trill’s main subjects are alien abductions and government conspiracies.

I already know you can’t

I can’t because I have no idea where they’re posted on youtube (or if they even are posted on youtube), nor do I even have access to it right now, as it’s blocked at work.

If I owed the game, which I still don’t, I still wouldn’t be able to prove it to you because I don’t know how to load those things on the Internet anyway.

I can support the troop but not the war

I support the troops and the war. It’s idiotic to do otherwise. Quit building strawmen and actually debate my points if you are intellectually able to do so.

just because you can’t specifically point to an example of why there’s no anti-Democrat video in GTA that you’re not lying.

1. I never said anti-Democrat. I said anti-liberal. There is a difference. Read my words, not your interpretation, and this will actually make sense.

2. I don’t care if you think I’m a liar, but I’m not the only one saying this. If you read the thread, you’d see others have said this as well. IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY!!!! Pull out the tinfoil, Scott, lest the GTA evil Republicans start infecting your brain!!!!