Video: “Republican Space Rangers”

posted at 8:49 pm on April 29, 2008 by Allahpundit

Believe it or not, this actually comes from Grand Theft Auto IV as some sort of in-game feature viewable on one of the characters’ TVs. I’m supposed to be outraged but all I feel is fatigued: Nine, count ‘em nine, minutes in which no stereotype is left unturned, from redneck culture to killing furriners for fun to sublimated homosexuality to the obligatory schwanz-shaped rocket ship. It’s so over the top that it works as a parody of how leftists view conservatives, although of course that’s not the intent. Satire two levels removed is a tricky, subtle business, and whatever else GTA may be, it ain’t subtle. Which reminds me: The language here is exactly as nuanced as the rest of it so please observe this, your official content warning.

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Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Well said.

the goddess anna on April 30, 2008 at 12:46 PM

At least you admit this is all about you:

I’m not going to pull a hissy fit and deny myself the chance to listen to good music because of my beliefs. I’m only hurting myself, as the artists won’t feel the loss of my cash. Republicans don’t deserve to miss out on good things simply because of their political beliefs.

The justification is that only leftists are good at playing guitar or talking in front of a camera. And that’s becuase of the root cause–Republicans do not encourage their peers to create art:

The Right does not have any great bands. At best, we’ve got some that are so-so.

All or nothing. No second chances. You either give me instant gratification, Republican artist, or I will take my money to Viacom and Jon Stewart. I don’t agree with him, but, you know, he’s an entertaining guy and I can separate myself from the politics when it comes to my entertainment.

The only way to actually change anything is to set up our own alternative, which, as I just pointed out, no one seems willing to do.

Key point to note is that Soros basically uses his money as a tax write-off political bribe through a 527 which is a great ROI for his money. Soros doesn’t fund Electronic Arts or Geffen Records or Viacom–those are market driven enterprises. It’s not going to be a Republican billionaire that will fund a video game, band, or movie without expecting a good ROI. Mainly because the market of Republicans that say “I’ll pay for play even if I’m being insulted because good is good and I can separate my entertainment from my beliefs” is big enough to add to all the others on the Left who laugh at the Republican rubes.

This cycle will continue until the money dries up on the Left. And that’s not going to happen until Republicans stop funding the Left.

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

I couldn’t stomach watching the whole thing. It was so disgusting. So is the name Butch Commander Dick? I did notice that much of what they were spouting is the liberal mantra.

TimothyJ on April 30, 2008 at 2:14 PM

At least you admit this is all about you:

Who should my choices for entertainment be about? You? The Republican Party?

The justification is that only leftists are good at playing guitar or talking in front of a camera.

I don’t know that, but so far the only Righties that seem to be any good at playing a guitar are country music singers. I would love to be proven wrong on that. Everytime I read something about a new artist I’ve gotten into, I hope it’s not going to be something anti-American or anti-Republican, but my hope has so far been unfounded.

That doesn’t mean I’m going to burn (set on fire) the CDs I’ve already bought. It just means I’ll try to quit reading their interviews.

And that’s becuase of the root cause–Republicans do not encourage their peers to create art:

I don’t know where you’re getting that from. I have had several friends who were in bands and have always encouraged them. I was even in a band once.

You either give me instant gratification, Republican artist, or I will take my money to Viacom and Jon Stewart.

Why would I pay for crappy music? I’m from the Napster era and avoid paying even for good music, which doesn’t mean I steal. There’s plenty of free legal music online.

And for the record, I don’t think John Stewart is funny, cause he’s not.

Soros doesn’t fund Electronic Arts or Geffen Records or Viacom–those are market driven enterprises.

Which are run by who? Right, Lefties.

Look, I really don’t care what you say. Republicans should be able to listen to good music, watch good tv, and play good video games just like everyone else.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 2:24 PM

the goddess anna on April 30, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Thank you.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Everytime I read something about a new artist I’ve gotten into, I hope it’s not going to be something anti-American or anti-Republican, but my hope has so far been unfounded.

This season, tan is the new black and instant self-gratification is the new due dilligence.

Republicans should be able to listen to good music, watch good tv, and play good video games just like everyone else.

And since the “good” art is created with the intent to mock you, marginalize you, and eventually destroy everything you say you stand for, it’s an outward showing of how you’re principled and nuanced enough to keep funding those good artists.

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 2:50 PM

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Yes, well, my principles dictate that I don’t care what others tell me I should like.

That includes you.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 3:01 PM

And since the “good” art is created with the intent to mock you, marginalize you, and eventually destroy everything you say you stand for, it’s an outward showing of how you’re principled and nuanced enough to keep funding those good artists.

Oh, honestly, lighten up, Francis.

Rockstar Games is not out to “destroy everything [we] stand for.” They’re a game company. Grand Theft Auto is not “Fahrenheit 9/11: the game” or “Partial Birth Abortion: the game”. It’s a fun game with some moronic political gags in the background. Most players won’t even ever stumble across Republican Space Rangers. It’s just a stupid little something in the background.

Kensington on April 30, 2008 at 3:30 PM

It’s so over the top that it works as a parody of how leftists view conservatives, although of course that’s not the intent. Satire two levels removed is a tricky, subtle business, and whatever else GTA may be, it ain’t subtle.

I have to wonder how much GTA you’ve played if you believe that Rockstar isn’t subtle. Rockstar always lampoons perception. I can’t see them putting this in without it being a slam on both Republicans and how liberal Hollywood portrays them to children.

You really think that game writers who put in a level where an LA gangbanger dresses up in a gimp suit and beats another guy to death with a purple dildo as one of the missions has some great love for multiculturalism?

phelps on April 30, 2008 at 4:03 PM

No history. No cause. No effect. No future. Just living for the moment with MY instant gratification. MY entertainment. MY feelings.

No thanks.

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 4:07 PM

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Seriously, Scott, you’re talking about a video game.

It’s supposed to be about YOUR entertainment and YOUR feelings. If you’re playing a game for someone else’s entertainment of someone else’s feelings, then you’re not using your own brain.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Let’s give it some context:

Seriously, Scott, you’re talking about a video gamepornographic gangbang video.

It’s supposed to be about YOUR entertainment and YOUR feelings. If you’re playing a gamewatching porn for someone else’s entertainment of someone else’s feelings, then you’re not using your own brain.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Violently exploiting young women on video for profit–that’s considered entertainment and a political statement for female empowerment by some people. And hey, “good is good,” so those who excell at violent sexual exploitation should be monetarily compensated by the people who can separate themselves from any political message that they might disagree with contained in the pornography. A man like your husband or father doesn’t condone or approve of porn, but he can separate himself from that viewpoint to enjoy the porn as enterainment.

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 4:59 PM

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 4:59 PM

You’re taking the slippery slope argument too far when you try to compare a video game to a video of an illegal act.

There is a difference.

One is just a game. The other is violent rape.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 5:31 PM

And for the record, I don’t have problem with legal porn no matter who is watching it.

But seriously, no one wants to think of their father even having sex, so I don’t know why you went there.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 5:44 PM

No, pornographic gangbang videos where the actresses are shown being “raped” are not illegal. The video is a product made by producers, directors, and actors. It’s acting. It’s art. It’s entertainment driven by a market segment that enjoys that art and/or feels like they can separate themselves from actions they do not believe in but are nuanced enough to enjoy vicariously for their personal entertainment.

There is no difference. And the market will continue to produce these products as long as “good is good” and there is money to be made from those who want their personal entertainment needs satisfied.

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM

There is no difference. And the market will continue to produce these products as long as “good is good” and there is money to be made from those who want their personal entertainment needs satisfied.

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM

And so what then? I have no problem with legal porn. The women are paid handsomely and chose to act in these videos. I don’t see why it’s anyone’s business unless it’s being shown to children or being made by children, both of which make it illegal.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM

I certainly agree that no crime is being committed in such consensual videos or games – but I have to wonder what kind of depraved POS gets their jollies from watching such stuff.

I’d like to know who these scumbags are, so i can permanently exlude them from my life.

LimeyGeek on April 30, 2008 at 6:02 PM

LimeyGeek on April 30, 2008 at 6:02 PM

That’s right. People who watch porn and play video games are the real enemy.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 6:13 PM

I don’t see why it’s anyone’s business unless it’s being shown to children or being made by children, both of which make it illegal.

Esthier on April 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM

The coolest mom on the block legally purchases porn and M-rated games and then allows her son and daughter watch porn and play the games. The children get their instant gratification and learn that “good is good” when it comes to entertainment.

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 6:27 PM

That’s right. People who watch porn and play video games are the real enemy.

Childish sarcasm noted. I think you are damned well aware of what I was getting at. Don’t be so pedantic.

Do you date men that jerk off to rape movies?

LimeyGeek on April 30, 2008 at 6:47 PM

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 6:27 PM

I buy some kinds of porn, and I buy violent video games. I keep both away from my kids, and every responsible parent I know does the same. My kids are going to have to wait on instant gratification until adulthood – and hopefully they won’t even want it then.

In the meantime, if you’re so ticked that there are no conservatives/Republicans designing video games/in rock bands/etc, found your own company and do so. If you’re not so inclined, quit griping about the fact that some of us aren’t so blatantly partisan when it comes to personal entertainment.

On that note, I’m going to go boxing on my Wii, and yes, I do let my kids watch that. That’s good family fun.

the goddess anna on April 30, 2008 at 9:20 PM

One more thing: there are no depictions of rape in Grand Theft Auto IV. It’s not a snuff film, or a rape simulator, it’s a video game.

Kensington on May 1, 2008 at 12:20 AM

In the meantime, if you’re so ticked that there are no conservatives/Republicans designing video games/in rock bands/etc, found your own company and do so.

You’re obviously new here since this is EXACTLY what I’ve said in HA comments since 2006.

If you’re not so inclined, quit griping about the fact that some of us aren’t so blatantly partisan when it comes to personal entertainment.

Like that blatantly partisan Nancy Reagan who kept griping about the personal entertainment of heroin! It’s a choice that doesn’t hurt anyone!

One more thing: there are no depictions of rape in Grand Theft Auto IV. It’s not a snuff film, or a rape simulator, it’s a video game.

Oh I suppose I must’ve confused the “rape” with killing prostitutes–which is okay because it’s just a video game.

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Oh I suppose I must’ve confused the “rape” with killing prostitutes–which is okay because it’s just a video game.

Well it’s important to identify things truthfully. If killing prostitutes is bad enough, then why start suggesting that it’s a rape simulator? It reminds me of an Ann Coulter rebuff: she says (I’m paraphrasing), that if the things she writes are so terrible, then why do liberals always feel the need to misstate, misquote and exaggerate when they describe what she writes?

But back to killing prostitutes for a moment. The killing prostitutes thing in Grand Theft Auto is completely overblown. For one thing, there’s nothing special about it. You can “kill” anyone in the game; there’s no special sport in killing prostitutes. The game doesn’t require it, advocate it or even comment upon it. I’ve never done it myself, because I prefer to play the game with as many morals and scruples intact as possible. I’m weird that way. I don’t even like stealing the cars, and the game’s called “Grand Theft Auto.”

The violence in Grand Theft Auto actually tends to be pretty cartoonish. And, really, one of the dirty little secrets of the entire franchise is that it’s all actually pretty tame. For instance, no one, prostitute or otherwise, ever really dies in the game. Even when you “kill” someone, an ambulance comes along and revives them. Everybody walks away alive and well.

It’s just a game, and not one to be taken as seriously as you are taking it.

Kensington on May 1, 2008 at 3:05 AM

Oh I suppose I must’ve confused the “rape” with killing prostitutes–which is okay because it’s just a video game.

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Yes, it is just a video game. That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you all along. The only people who take these games seriously are the ones who have never played them and want them banned.

People who actually play them understand that it’s just a game.

Do you date men that jerk off to rape movies?

LimeyGeek on April 30, 2008 at 6:47 PM

I’m married, so I’m not dating. My husband isn’t into rape movies, so I can’t really answer your question since I’ve never been in that situation. If he were, I’m sure I could live with it unless the videos were too violent.

They honestly don’t bother me, since I understand that it’s not real. If I thought it was real, it would disgust me.

Call me childish all you want, but you’re the one who will disown your friends just because of what they choose as entertainment.

Like that blatantly partisan Nancy Reagan who kept griping about the personal entertainment of heroin! It’s a choice that doesn’t hurt anyone!

Seriously. One is illegal, the other is not. Why is this distinction a problem for you here?

No one is condoning rape, and no one is condoning illegal drug use.

ScottMcC on April 30, 2008 at 6:27 PM

O…K so that makes the mom wrong, not the law. I would never buy that video game or porn for my kids if I had kids. I think adults who do that are trying to be the kid’s friend instead of their parents. That’s a big problem we have in this country with parents not raising their children.

But that’s a separate issue.

You only make your points look weak when you can’t stay on topic. If you have to result to talking about rape and heroine, then you might not have a legitimate point about the game, which you initially didn’t like just because of that video even though you’ve now moved on to the violent aspects of the game.

Esthier on May 1, 2008 at 9:30 AM

I’m weird that way. I don’t even like stealing the cars, and the game’s called “Grand Theft Auto.”

That is weird. It’s insanely difficult to get buy in that game without stealing cars. Then again, it would add an extra challenge to the game.

Esthier on May 1, 2008 at 9:34 AM

Tell you what: If enlightened American conservative women such as yourselves are so comfortable with their market-driven mindset of “good is good” to be completely unaffected by any entertainment that savages their belief system, ignores human rights, rewards violence, promotes dangerous sex without love, and is marketed specifically to their husbands, boyfriends, and sons, then you will set the ethical standard for all conservative women who must NEVER criticize the left-wing activists and politicians whose own mindset was shaped in part by the entertainment you defend.

Or you can say “but there’s a big difference” and retread over the “good is good and I’m smart enough to separate myself from MY politics because MY entertainment doesn’t affect ME” mantra again for effect. There’s not a person reading this right now that doesn’t know for a fact you’d go ballistic when your husband is fired from his job for watching underage midget porn or your precious daughter is a meth-addled stripper at nineteen–none of which was influenced by any entertainment or art. Bad seed. Born to lose. There are no cause and effects.

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM

That is weird. It’s insanely difficult to get buy in that game without stealing cars. Then again, it would add an extra challenge to the game.

Well, I’m not a masochist. It’s more or less impossible to get through the game without stealing cars, but I tend only to take parked, unattended cars. I don’t like to carjack.

It is an intriguing proposition, though, to try and get through the entire game without stealing any cars whatsoever. I suppose that would mean doing everything on foot when you haven’t been given a car until you make enough money to start buying cars. HAHAHAHA! I may have to give that a try, actually!

On an entirely separate matter, I do differ with you on the matter of rape porn. I do think that it’s a disturbing impulse and that the men who gravitate toward it are pretty much creeps. For me, there’s a huge gulf between vanilla porn/erotica and rape porn. The latter, in my opinion, is barely more respectable than child porn.

Kensington on May 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM

On an entirely separate matter, I do differ with you on the matter of rape porn. I do think that it’s a disturbing impulse and that the men who gravitate toward it are pretty much creeps. For me, there’s a huge gulf between vanilla porn/erotica and rape porn. The latter, in my opinion, is barely more respectable than child porn.

Kensington on May 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM

The way I look at it is this: some people (men and women) enjoy the whole being tied up and pretending to force sex. It’s not my thing, but I don’t look at people who buy handcuffs as perverts akin to kiddie porn watchers.

Plus, there is a difference between child porn and simulated rape porn. One involves a child who is being harmed, the other involves a highly paid “actor/actress.”

Tell you what: If enlightened American conservative women such as yourselves are so comfortable with their market-driven mindset of “good is good” to be completely unaffected by any entertainment that savages their belief system

I didn’t think it took an “enlightened” woman, but whatever…

ignores human rights

That’s where you’re wrong. I have said this repeatedly. I’m not OK with people actually being harmed or mistreated. I do though separate reality from fiction.

rewards violence

That’s almost every single video game currently being marketed to be over 7, not to mention, conservatives’ favorite TV show “24.”

promotes dangerous sex without love

This too is everywhere, video games, music, TV shows, movies, novels, etc., including some “family-friendly” shows. It’s not an exclusive problem to GTA IV.

and is marketed specifically to their husbands, boyfriends, and sons

As others have said here, women buy these things too.

then you will set the ethical standard for all conservative women who must NEVER criticize the left-wing activists and politicians whose own mindset was shaped in part by the entertainment you defend.

So you’re logic is that because I enjoy fiction that can be violent and promote an unhealthy sexual lifestyle, I can’t be upset when people go out in real life and actually rape, murder and in general harm other people.

Again, I enjoy FICTION. If some idiot cannot tell the different between fiction and reality, that’s really not my problem.

Or you can say “but there’s a big difference” and retread over the “good is good and I’m smart enough to separate myself from MY politics because MY entertainment doesn’t affect ME” mantra again for effect.

Again, fiction is fiction.

There’s not a person reading this right now that doesn’t know for a fact you’d go ballistic when your husband is fired from his job for watching underage midget porn

1. If my husband is watching any type of porn at work, he should be fired. Then again, if he’s doing anything unrelated to work, like playing chess (which I assume you’re OK with even if it is violent in nature considering it simulates war), he should be fired.

2. What sicko would watch porn at work when the computer you use is viewable by anyone walking past you?

3. Underage midget porn is illegal. You may as well have said I’d be pissed if my husband did crack cocaine at work and got fired over it.

or your precious daughter is a meth-addled stripper at nineteen–none of which was influenced by any entertainment or art.

Again, if my hypothetical daughter is stupid enough to decide to try meth and become a stripper because the TV told her to do it (which by the way, I would limit her exposure to those things, just as I was limited when I was a child; that’s a parent’s job; the government cannot do that for you no matter how nanny state this country becomes), then she’s probably mentally retarded. And if that’s the case, presumably I’d have enough control over her to keep her from a life of stripping.

Bad seed.

My seeds/eggs are pretty awesome actually.

Born to lose.

I don’t believe in predestination. I’m Christian but not a Calvinist.

There are no cause and effects.

Sure there are. Bad parenting often begets bad children.

I’ve said this before, as have others, but those types of video games and those types of videos do not belong in the hands of a child.

So it’s irrelevant to the discussion.

Some parents can show their kids that stuff. And some parents can also beat their kids and lock them in a cellar for 24 years.

That doesn’t make it right or at all acceptable.

Do you drink or smoke cigarettes? If so, by your own logic, obviously you’re giving your kids those things, which will later on in life turn your children into homeless drug addicts who can only sell their bodies for money until the drug addiction finally offs them.

Esthier on May 1, 2008 at 12:10 PM

You’re saying:
- Fiction cannot affect reality
- Parents are not required to lead by example
- Anything goes as long as it doesn’t directly affect you

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 4:16 PM

You’re saying:
- Fiction cannot affect reality
- Parents are not required to lead by example
- Anything goes as long as it doesn’t directly affect you

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 4:16 PM

No, I’m not.

Fiction of course can affect reality. That doesn’t mean it can destroy civilization as we know it.

I believe that if someone cannot handle fiction that they should destroy their TVs and/or gouge out their eyes, for “it is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell” (Matt. 5:29).

Parents should lead by example. That’s why I and others who play these games would never play these games in front of children, nor should those games be accessible to children, just as alcohol and cigarettes should be kept away from them.

And last, despite your instance to the contrary, I do not only view issues as a problem if it concerns me. I view entertainment that way. My entertainment is not based on what other people think is entertaining.

I don’t know. I’m just wired that way. I can’t laugh at something just because you think it’s funny unless you have an awesome laugh. My husband has a good laugh. It’s a good hearty chuckle.

Other than that one exception, the things I find funny, I find funny because I find them funny. Sometimes I laugh only at partisan issues, but sometimes I laugh at my own views.

When I was 10, I couldn’t do it. I was born blond (though my hair has been dyed the last couple months), and my fifth grade teacher used to tell dumb blond jokes. It made me very angry, and I’d lash out at her by telling my own version of the same jokes (basically I turned them into brunette jokes). She loved it and would play around with me all year over those jokes, while my classmate, a fellow blond, had no problem laughing at the jokes, “betraying her own kind.”

I couldn’t stand that girl, because she didn’t seem to get it that she was making fun of herself.

But I get it now. It was just a joke, a stupid one at that (A blond and a brunette are racing to see who gets to the bottom of a tall building. Who gets there first? The brunette, because the blond had to stop and ask directions.) If Jennifer (my former classmate) was able to laugh at it, then it didn’t harm me or blonds in general (bleached bimbos do that).

And I feel the same should be true here. We have no genuine quarrel.

I happen to like this game series, as do millions of other people.

You don’t, and that’s fine. I’d never make you play it, nor am I insulting you for that opinion.

I’ve answered your questions. I do believe parents should set good examples. I do believe stuff of this nature should be kept from children, and I don’t believe rape or kiddie porn is OK.

If you still want to look down on me because of my appreciation for a video game you’ve never played, then obviously I can’t stop you.

Esthier on May 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM

If you still want to look down on me because of my appreciation for a video game you’ve never played, then obviously I can’t stop you.

Esthier on May 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I’ve never drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, taken illegal drugs, or engaged in homosexual sex–all of which are considered permissible forms of entertainment by the left. Your contention is that I must experience all of those things before I say anything.

No thanks.

I saw The Temptation of Christ just before I went to film school, mainly because it was supposed to be controversial and brilliant. It was neither. I was a fool and I readily admitted it.

You refuse to admit you’re foolishly wallowing in your minority status in this comment thread because you either have a self-hating side that enjoys funding a company that will produce increasingly more blatant mockeries of a traditional American viewpoint or you cannot admit you’re wrong about the huge influence of “entertainment” on children.

Then again, there’s always the third option where you write your usual 500+ word reply explaining exactly why the condesending vulgarity of “Republican Space Rangers” cartoon doesn’t affect you and therefore is okay because it’s all about your personal enjoyment.

Oh I can’t wait to see which option you choose.

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Your contention is that I must experience all of those things before I say anything.

No, that’s not my contention. I never said it and have often argued against that on this very site.

You refuse to admit you’re foolishly wallowing in your minority status in this comment thread because you either have a self-hating side that enjoys funding a company that will produce increasingly more blatant mockeries of a traditional American viewpoint or you cannot admit you’re wrong about the huge influence of “entertainment” on children.

1. What minority status? I’m not a minority.

2. I don’t hate myself, and I don’t like the ad, which is how I got involved in a conversation with you in the first place.

3. I already said that entertainment can influence children, which is why I’ve always said that these things should be kept away from children. Why do you keep ignoring that?

Then again, there’s always the third option where you write your usual 500+ word reply explaining exactly why the condesending vulgarity of “Republican Space Rangers” cartoon doesn’t affect you and therefore is okay because it’s all about your personal enjoyment.

Again, I stated my disgust for the video already. It’s why I even bothered commenting on this thread.

The video however, is not the video game.

And yes, for the 100th time, my entertainment is about me. There is no conceivable way for it to be about anyone else, as only I can say what I find entertaining. No one else can speak for me on that topic.

Oh I can’t wait to see which option you choose.

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Really? Cause it seems like you’re having this argument with yourself, where my replies are completely ignored, since every time you come back here you’re trying again to tell me what I believe even though it’s the opposite of what I’ve said.

I’ve never drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, taken illegal drugs, or engaged in homosexual sex–all of which are considered permissible forms of entertainment by the left.

Rush Limbaugh is one of the most prominent conservative pundits period, and he has no problem smoking tobacco and having a drink.

Laura Ingram drinks.

Ann Coulter drinks.

Allah drinks.

It’s not just a Lefty concept.

Good for you if you’ve never had a glass, but there’s nothing to indicate that it’s purely a Lefty concept of entertainment.

Esthier on May 1, 2008 at 5:48 PM

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Seriously though, every comment you’ve written to me is written as though this is the first sentence we’ve each typed on the subject.

Every time I tell you, “no, I don’t think kiddie porn is OK, or no, I don’t think kids should watch that,” you come back at me as though I haven’t said any of that.

What’s your purpose here? If you won’t read what I say, then why come back to this thread? You obviously think I’m scum, and I obviously can’t change your mind. What’s in this for you?

Are you setting a good example for your children by tearing into a complete stranger online and insulting both her intelligence and moral compass?

For my part, I’m stubborn and will take a discussion to the end no matter the futility involved.

Esthier on May 1, 2008 at 5:59 PM

Okay, I get it:

You honestly are oblivious to the fact that on a meta-level “Republican Space Rangers” and the game are one in the same.

You honestly are oblivious to the fact that by saying: “I don’t like the ‘Republican Space Rangers’ cartoon in the game but I’ll pay for this game and play it because I don’t care if I’m being mocked because good is good and the Righties just don’t make anything good for MY personal entertainment” makes you neither pragmatic nor intellectual.

These are the very reasons why you cannot and will never bring a traditionalist political conservative over to your side in this discussion. At best you’re endearing yourself to the Ron Paul followers of extreme libertines.

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 8:20 PM

ScottMcC on May 1, 2008 at 8:20 PM

No, you don’t get it.

The video is merely one parody in the game. There are many other parodies, some that even insult liberals by using their common stereotypes. Of course you wouldn’t know that, because you’ve never played the game.

And you’re wrong. It isn’t “traditionalist political conservatives” who won’t come to my side of thinking, it’s those in the Christian Right who think morality needs to be imposed at the government level and think that Huck was a great candidate for president just because he was a pastor who won’t come to my side of thinking.

The truth is though, I don’t care to have that group on my side. I don’t philosophically associate with libertarians or Ron Paul bots, but they are certainly less fascist in their world-view than you are in yours.

Esthier on May 2, 2008 at 9:26 AM

The video is merely one parody in the game. There are many other parodies, some that even insult liberals by using their common stereotypes. Of course you wouldn’t know that, because you’ve never played the game.

Prove it right now. Link to the YouTube or other embedded online video directly from the GTA game that savagely skewers every liberal stereotype.

I already know you can’t, but I’m sure you’ll rehash your “good is good and I’m a better person because I can support the troop but not the war” meme with another 500+ words saying why just because you can’t specifically point to an example of why there’s no anti-Democrat video in GTA that you’re not lying.

ScottMcC on May 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM

I already know you can’t

I can’t because I have no idea where they’re posted on youtube (or if they even are posted on youtube), nor do I even have access to it right now, as it’s blocked at work.

If I owed the game, which I still don’t, I still wouldn’t be able to prove it to you because I don’t know how to load those things on the Internet anyway.

I can support the troop but not the war

I support the troops and the war. It’s idiotic to do otherwise. Quit building strawmen and actually debate my points if you are intellectually able to do so.

just because you can’t specifically point to an example of why there’s no anti-Democrat video in GTA that you’re not lying.

1. I never said anti-Democrat. I said anti-liberal. There is a difference. Read my words, not your interpretation, and this will actually make sense.

2. I don’t care if you think I’m a liar, but I’m not the only one saying this. If you read the thread, you’d see others have said this as well. IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY!!!! Pull out the tinfoil, Scott, lest the GTA evil Republicans start infecting your brain!!!!

Esthier on May 2, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Besides, even if I did provide you with youtube clips they’d all insult your sensitives as they talk about violence, sex and use cuss words.

Here’s information about different personalities on the GTA radio stations, which is where all the parodies from the previous games have come from.

Martin Graves – A technologist and stereotypical nerd that has absurdly futuristic dreams, many with a high concentration of robots, as well as a variety of strange sexual fetishes. Abhors mainstream religion as obsolete and derides creationism in classrooms. It’s also implied that he’s a transvestite.

Forbes Waverly III- An uncaring and ruthless industrialist from Connecticut whose name and behavior are very masculine, implying that she is asexual, if not also a militant feminist much like Michaela Carapadis from K-CHAT. She is obsessed with the economy and possession. Her acerbic behavior is attributed to her being neglected by her father as a child.

A professor and exaggerated feminist Michaela Carapadis (Mary Birdsong). She is over-obsessed with hating men and even dresses as one. She also discusses her recently-published thesis, which describes an undercover experience on her study into the male psyche: cross-dressing so as to approach males and study their mentality.

Social activist and extreme liberal Callum Crayshaw is a stereotypically-concerned rich boy who wants to “help the poor” in completely unfeasible ways with an organization he formed called “Speaking for the Underdog”, and often talks about his trips to other continents (funded by his wealthy businessman father, who doesn’t seem to care about the same issues at all).

Naturist Barry Stark, a naturist and a liar, with sexuality issues (he gets erections several times during the debate, and even tries to make out with Maurice). He also appeared as a caller on Chatterbox FM in Grand Theft Auto III, where he makes similar comments about nudity.

Konstantinos is a parody of a stereotyped “goth”. He tells Maurice things like, “The world is a lie, man. Only darkness is truth.” He mentions that he had never been out in open sunlight in upwards of 18 years. Maurice calls him a “manically depressed loonie with anemia.”

A spiritual enlightenment talk show hosted by a new wave teenage hippie named Melissa Chowder.

Another call is from a SPANK-head, referring to the increasingly popular leisure drug prevalent in the game. He refers to Lazlow as a pansy and goes on about conspiracies and government brainwashing involving toothpaste.

Political debate show hosted by husband-and-wife liberal-and-conservative team of Peyton Phillips and Mary Phillips. Peyton and Mary are caricatures of their ideologies: Peyton is extremely liberal, and Mary is a hardcore conservative. For example, when dealing with a caller that had recently buried numerous corpses in his backyard, Mary advises the caller on how to use the corpses to evade his taxes while Peyton mentions recycling and organ donation.

A Coast to Coast AM spoof hosted by Marvin Trill. Broadcasting from ‘his trailer in the desert’, Trill’s main subjects are alien abductions and government conspiracies.

Esthier on May 2, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Here’s information about different personalities on the GTA radio stations, which is where all the parodies from the previous games have come from.

When more information about GTA4 is available, or after I buy it myself, I might be able to tell you about some video parodies.

Esthier on May 2, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Here’s a link to the public radio parody station from Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. It makes fun of NPR stereotyping. It’s not from GTAIV, but I’m still only at the beginning of the game and haven’t got a full taste of the satire yet.

Vice City Public Radio

Kensington on May 2, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Still haven’t linked to that 9 minutes of anti-Democrat or anti-liberal video from GTA you’ve been promising… because it doesn’t exist.

You two cannot possibly believe the NPR gag of a know-it-all nasal announcer (rehashed from an over ten year-old SNL skit) referees an argument between a stereotypically stupid Christian pastor and a crass yet incredibly knowledgeable activist qualifies as balanced satire. Notice that all of the “LOL” comments on YouTube concerned how stupid and out of touch the Christian pastor was in the balanced NPR satire?

You’re still funding the people who want to eradicate you. You’re buying the rope from the communists who will then slip the noose around your neck. You’re hating the troops but supporting the war because you can’t do without your personal entertainment and damn anyone who points out your selfish actions are part of the problem rather than a solution.

ScottMcC on May 2, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Well, I have the game and its not just “Republican Space Rangers”.

The talk station is one long extremely vulgar take on conservative talk radio. It is blatantly obvious that no one at Rockstar has heard one minute of Rush, etc., because it is so over the top. Also, the news is all presented by “Weazel News”, an oh-so clever riff on Fox News. Smacks of taking the easy cheap shot to me and is just lazy writing.

Honestly, I enjoyed the other GTA games but I think Rockstar is really slipping with their writing on this one. The main story is fine, but the commercials and radio stations are just too “wink, wink, nudge, nudge” for their own good now.

The commercial about the “gangsta dance movie” could be funny on its own, but they actually spell out the whole joke in the commercial thus ruining any punchline. All of the humor is self-aware instead on standing on its own merits.

Codec717 on May 2, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Thanks Codec. Interesting how much effort the GTA 4 game devs have spent on these very specific oh-so-clever in game media digs at 1/2 of their potential American audience compared to the original GTA… in the original version I was able to pop the CD out of the computer and listen to any music I wanted (which at the time was a lot of Clutch, King’s X, or the latest 3-disc live set from Rush).

I also avoided the idiotic “GOURANGA” bonuses for killing innocents and mostly played multiplayer “cops and robbers”-style games with friends over a network. It seems like the game wasn’t even in Windows back then and the networking was done through IPX rather than TCP/IP.

Brutal.

Oh, wait. I guess that means I have played GTA before. And I do know what I’m talking about.

ScottMcC on May 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Oh, wait. I guess that means I have played GTA before. And I do know what I’m talking about.

ScottMcC on May 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM

You mean you’re funding people who want to kill you?

So you’re not just self righteous, you’re also a hypocrite.

Still haven’t linked to that 9 minutes of anti-Democrat or anti-liberal video from GTA you’ve been promising… because it doesn’t exist.

I thought only liberals continued to move the bar back in order to prove their point.

I never promised it, but you wouldn’t know that because you either can’t read what I write or chose not to read it. Either way, there’s clearly no point in me typing this.

But hey, keep your pants on. I just got the game on Friday, and as promised, as soon as I find something, I’ll let you know. As you know though, it’s a very extensive game. It might take me a little while.

Esthier on May 3, 2008 at 5:49 PM

You mean you’re funding people who want to kill you?

So you’re not just self righteous, you’re also a hypocrite.

Playing a game in a PC test lab for an employer isn’t purchasing a game. You did and you are funding the people that want you and your family and anyone that thinks like you to die.

And you can’t prove your statement about fairness in GTA 4′s satire because it doesn’t exist. Others in this forum have already confirmed that GTA 4 is completely slanted against traditional political conservatism and yet you still rant about how you are justified in funding a GTA 5 to push the lines even farther to the Left because of your personal proclivities towards crass, self-loathing entertainment.

You’re not even waiting for the noose to be slipped over your neck–you’re actively digging your own grave.

ScottMcC on May 3, 2008 at 7:22 PM

You did and you are funding the people that want you and your family and anyone that thinks like you to die.

You are insane if you actually believe some programmers want conservatives to die.

Esthier on May 4, 2008 at 10:42 PM

You are ignorant if you actually ever met any designer and/or programmer from a AAA game studio from Quebec to Oslo and didn’t realize he and the majority of his co-workers want all political conservatives in Auschwitz-style camps.

ScottMcC on May 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM

And they’re going to accomplish this with really horrible parodies put into a game that even our liberals politicians want banned?

In sincerely hope you’re not armed.

Esthier on May 5, 2008 at 9:21 AM

No, as was done in centuries past, they know it’s easy enough to use art and entertainment to change the traditional culture, break down the patriarchical “wrong-thinking” in your children who will happily turn you in for re-education purposes.

Germany. Russia. China. Cuba. They all did it. It’ll happen in the USA thanks in no small part to selfish and myopic libertines that fund the influencers.

ScottMcC on May 5, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Sure, this video game is going to turn children into murderers who turn in their own conservative parents to the new fascist government that will magically spring up in this Republic, all because of one idiotic video that you actually have to seek out in the game, since it’s not a part of the game.

You actually have to decide to go to your apartment and watch TV in order to see that stupid 9 minute show.

You think people spend 60 bucks on a game to watch TV?

This country is stronger than Germany, Russia, China and Cuba. The fact that you think otherwise only further implicates you as a paranoid schizophrenic.

Scott, I was a child when the propaganda-driven Captain Planet was on TV, and I watched the show. Somehow, I’m still able to think for myself when it comes to oil companies and Global Warming. If your children are unable to do so, that speak of them only, not American children in general.

Esthier on May 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM

When I was a child, I watched a five minute block of Captain Planet once and then never watched it again.

I understood even as a child that by watching a show, boosting its ratings, and allowing the advertisers and producers of the cartoon to thrive, I would be supporting further production of more cartoons like it.

Basic economic realities understood by a middle-class rural child with no cable TV over twenty years ago lost on a full-grown woman who is unable to comprehend the same thing when it comes to her choices in entertainment to fulfill her self-centered desires twenty years later.

ScottMcC on May 5, 2008 at 2:17 PM

And you’re so deluded that you think a video game is coming to get you.

Sorry, even if I am funding people who disagree with me (horror of horrors!!!!!!!), at least I don’t need a padded cell.

Esthier on May 5, 2008 at 2:19 PM

When I was a child, I watched a five minute block of Captain Planet once and then never watched it again.

I understood even as a child that by watching a show, boosting its ratings, and allowing the advertisers and producers of the cartoon to thrive, I would be supporting further production of more cartoons like it.

Basic economic realities understood by a middle-class rural child with no cable TV over twenty years ago lost on a full-grown woman who is unable to comprehend the same thing when it comes to her choices in entertainment to fulfill her self-centered desires twenty years later.

Speaking of basic realities not understood, unless you were a Nielsen family, whether you watched Capt. Planet or not would have no impact whatsoever on its ratings.

Kensington on May 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM

Good point. And even some Nielsen studies are done with the honor system. There’s no camera. You just fill out paperwork stating what you watched.

Esthier on May 5, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Two crazy hypocritical women who call me “deluded” behind the anonymity of the Web doesn’t affect my clear conscience. You’re the ones that must live in the harsh world you paid money to create.

I’m the one fighting against it with every means I have available.

ScottMcC on May 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM

I’m the one fighting against it with every means I have available.

ScottMcC on May 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM

An anonymous comment on a blog, on a page that long ago moved off of the front?

Fight the good fight, Scott!

Don’t let anyone tell you the tinfoil clashes with your outfit! That’s just you being you!!!

Esthier on May 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM

And you keep leading by example for those kids of yours so that they learn anything they do for their personal enjoyment–be it cheating on tests or spouses–is perfectly fine for society at large because consequences are for stupid, Christianist, tinfoil hat wearing squares that hate video games.

Ke-e-e-e-e-e-eep diggin’ that grave, honey.

ScottMcC on May 6, 2008 at 5:05 PM

for those kids of yours

Repetition doesn’t even work on you. Do you actually have problems reading? Is English not your first language?

I said multiple times that I don’t have children, and I’ve also said that if I did have children that I’d never let them play this game.

And for the record, I don’t even consider you a Christian.

Esthier on May 7, 2008 at 10:26 AM

I said multiple times that I don’t have children, and I’ve also said that if I did have children that I’d never let them play this game.

Any man or woman you interact with is a child of God–and God has no grandchildren.

You take your money and give it to those who damn you and those who think like you to an increasingly harsh life of scorn and ridicule for no other reason that our beliefs. You do this because you have said that it is your personal choice to spend your money on whatever gives you personal pleasure even if it’s not in the best interest of your friends or family or society–because it’s all about you.

You encourage Jewish blacksmiths to sell nails to the Romans and buy your tickets to the crucifixion, because the Romans know how to party and seders are so dull…

You’re either a self-loathing fool or truly ignorant of the basic economics of your purchase.

ScottMcC on May 7, 2008 at 9:11 PM

Can’t believe I missed this.

Any man or woman you interact with is a child of God–and God has no grandchildren.

That’s a retarded statement. Just because we’re “God’s children,” it doesn’t mean we’re actually children. See, I’m still my mother’s child, but I’m an adult. Crazy how those things work.

And the whole point wasn’t about children but about my children, which don’t exist and who wouldn’t play this game anyway. I have no control over anyone else, even if we are all God’s children.

You take your money and give it to those who damn you and those who think like you to an increasingly harsh life of scorn and ridicule for no other reason that our beliefs.

And you avoid doing this by… what? Do you ask the clerk at the grocery store who bags your food if they damn you and ridicule others just to make sure you’re not funding anyone who would do that? And do you boycott all companies that disagree with you, even those related to the companies that disagree with you?

because it’s all about you.

A person’s source of entertainment is ALWAYS all about that person. I’m not a sheep. I can’t find enjoyment is something just because someone else finds enjoyment in it. If that’s your talent, feel free not to tell anyone. They’ll lose all respect for you.

You encourage Jewish blacksmiths to sell nails to the Romans and buy your tickets to the crucifixion, because the Romans know how to party and seders are so dull…

You are completely ignorant, and a hateful person who knows nothing about personal responsibility.

It’s disgusting that you’d ever taint the name of Jesus by calling yourself a Christian when you are exactly like those Christ preached most vehemently against while He was here.

White washed tomb… pretty on the outside, nasty and rotting on the inside, so completely filled with hate that you are blinded to your own sin.

Esthier on August 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Esthier on August 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM

I don’t care what ridiculous off-topic personal attack you throw at me. The bottom line: You are absolutely, unequivocally, 100% wrong.

You ARE funding the Obama/Biden presidential campaign with your purchase. The Chairman and CEO of GTA4 publisher Take-Two Interactive contributed thousands to the Obama, Biden, and even Edwards. A top contributor to the design and creation of GTA4 gave $4,600 to the Obama campaign

Let’s back up: Your original assumption is that GTA4 is neither Republican nor Democrat and therefore you are allowed to support the producers of the game by purchasing or renting the game.

Many here (including me) tried to explain that you were arguing from a false assumption (one that I said that you either knew to be false and lied to cover yourself or you were completely ignorant of the facts), but you and another commenter tried to justify your false assumption with laughably flimsy “proof” that GTA is non-partisan because it sort of made fun of vegans in between its constant condemnation of mainstream political conservatives, devout Christians, and other people that practice traditional values.

When commenters made the point that your monetary support of GTA engendered a climate that makes anyone living with traditional values a constant target of ridicule and scorn, you dismissed that point by claiming that how you spent your money was your right to choose your own personal entertainment, your money wasn’t actually funding an anti-traditionalist/anti-Republican group of artists because GTA skewers both sides (remember, the smart guy in the game that killed the crazy gun-toting Christian racist Nazi made fun of the vegan that one time) and anyone that disagreed with you was neither mature nor intelligent.

The fact is that none of the men that create, produce, distribute, and profit from selling you GTA4 contributed any of their large salaries–again funded largely or wholly from the sale of GTA games–to Republicans.

This is a fact. You cannot dispute this. When you say that your purchase and enjoyment of GTA has no adverse effects on Republicans or other people living with traditional values is wrong.

You. Are. Wrong.

ScottMcC on October 2, 2008 at 7:21 PM

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