Would a dream ticket resolve or compound the Dem’s woes?
posted at 11:54 am on April 26, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Susan Estrich voiced what many pundits suspect will be the resolution to the Democratic primary: a ticket that combines Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Some have called this the “dream ticket”, allowing for a reconciliation between two factions in the party that have increasingly become embittered in this race. Rather than combining strengths, though, the combination could just as easily compound the negatives and give John McCain even easier targets to hit in the general election:
Obama ahead but not by enough. Money not making the difference some thought it would. Superdelegates trickling in one direction or another. And then? And then there will be not the first in the nation but the last in the nation primary. And then Puerto Rico will finally decide, and the Michigan-Florida endgame will reignite, and maybe, if we’re lucky, one or the other candidate will be able to produce a list that says, here are the 2024 bodies/slots/people who will be voting for me at the Democratic convention.
But of this I’m sure. The longer this thing goes, the more likely it is that these two — as much as they may be coming to dislike each other, much as their supporters (at least at the top levels) may be coming to distrust each other, much as professional Democrats may be wondering out loud if once again we are about to steal defeat from the jaws of victory and do for McCain what he couldn’t do for himself — are going to end up running together.
There comes a point where the only way to put the party together is literally to put the two halves together. What remains unclear, still, is which half ends up on top.
The bigger question is why either of them would agree to the VP slot. Obama would get eaten alive by his party constituencies if he surrendered to Hillary after leading in pledged delegates as a sell-out. Hillary has no particular reason to move from the Senate to a do-nothing role in an Obama administration and have to wait until she’s close to McCain’s age to run for the presidency herself. Nor would it make much sense for either to take the other as a running mate. Obama would be allowing the Clintons to run his administration behind his back, which they surely would do, and Hillary would be saddled with someone much more popular than herself as a subordinate.
They could overcome these motivations to combine forces in Denver, though. Would it help? Perhaps it would in Denver, but it hardly helps either in a general election. Despite the hyperbole in the primary about experience, the truth is that neither of them have track records as executives, nor do either of them have impressive legislative careers. McCain beats them combined in the latter, especially when it comes to forging bipartisan coalitions and sponsoring high-profile legislation. He also has his military career to vouch for his executive abilities, and neither Hillary nor Obama can offer anything to match it. Both Democrats need running mates who can at least provide balance in those areas, like a governor or even someone with long experience on Capitol Hill.
But the worst part of the “dream ticket” comes from a combination of their worst traits. Instead of just offering someone who lies to assume experience she doesn’t have or a hard-Left cipher who hangs out with unrepentant domestic terrorists, the Democrats would offer both at the same time. Their combined negatives would present the Republicans with almost unlimited grounds to paint the Democrats as out of touch, condescending, untruthful nanny-staters who can’t relate to middle America. Instead of giving centrists and independents a reason to vote Democratic, they’ll double the reasons to support John McCain.
The so-called dream ticket is anything but. It just looks like the most convenient way for Democrats to awaken from the nightmare of this primary race.
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Operation Chaos!
atxcowgirl on April 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM
A snake and a baboon sewn into a sack together.
Yeah, that’ll work.
If you want chaos.
profitsbeard on April 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Clinton would not benefit by being VP. One, more likely than not if Obama wins the nomination he will lose or after one term he will be out on his keister and and the voters will be less likely to vote for Clinton 8 years from now. Two, she has her age to consider though if 60 now, 68 won’t be that old to run. Three, what do democrat VPs do? They are the parties bagman. All they do is solicit donations. I’d rather be senator or president.
Blake on April 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I read somewhere that something like twenty percent of either candidate’s supporters will not vote for the other candidate should the latter become the nominee. How exactly does this work out in the “Dream Ticket” scheme of things?
To me, it reads more like crossing-the-fingers “I hope this works” projection on top of reality. Just like most of the talking heads thought the primary would have already been over by now (and Obama would be the nominee), now they dream that all the angst between Obama and Clinton would just evaporate “for the good of the party” and the end result would be a joint ticket. This is the same wacky reasoning that leads some Republicans to believe that McCain would pick the likes of Romney as his VP.
Weebork on April 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Major nightmare. IMO, these two loathe each other.
katieanne on April 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM
What a pair.
2theright on April 26, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Speaking of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory– I would worry about who McCain choses for VP. You know he has a track record for sticking it to republicans.
Blake on April 26, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Emotions are high right now. Who knows what it will be come November.
Blake on April 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM
It’s not that they don’t get along. It’s that the Democrats have placed all their bets on the American people being ready to do something they’ve never done before: elect a black man, or elect a woman. Putting both on the same ticket multiplies those fundamental negatives. It’s a losing proposition. Although I certainly encourage them to give it a try.
km on April 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Are you one of those who “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them.”
peacenprosperity on April 26, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Great analysis Captain – you give me hope!
Ann on April 26, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Don’t forget — the “dream ticket’ wouldn’t just be a two-person circus. Throw Billy Jeff into the mix and you’ve got the most dysfunctional menage a trois the world has ever seen.
Cicero43 on April 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Imagine Bubba alone with Michelle O! Wooo, baby!
peacenprosperity on April 26, 2008 at 12:16 PM
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x-wing on April 26, 2008 at 12:23 PM
LOL… Yeah, but a pair of what is the question. I have a suggestions but I don’t feel like getting booted from HA. :)
Claypigeon on April 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Thank you Mr Morrissey.
Michelle……the Cap’n ROCKS! Bryan who?
Limerick on April 26, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Nah. Just clinging to my ancient Roman history, and their method of punishing people by trussing them up in a burlap bag with an ape and a serpent and then throwing them off a cliff into the sea.
The Dems appear to be performing some similar kind of ritual upon their own party.
Over the edge for p.c. purity!
profitsbeard on April 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I don’t think the Democrat Party would endanger its chances by putting both candidates on the ticket. As you say, both have meager legislative experience or credentials and neither have any form of executive experience (beyond Comrade Clinton’s ‘co-Presidency’).
Having said that, the Democrat Party needs a martyr, someone whose death will enable the Party to declare some sort of ‘war’. Doing so, they can bring out their big Socialist weapons of mass destruction to complete the movement into the rest of the Socialist sphere. Comrade Obama, with his race and youth is the sort of candidate that makes an ideal martyr. Would YOU like to have Comrade Clinton and YOUR Vice-President?
SeniorD on April 26, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Does this team really help the Democrats? I agree, Captain, it seems to be a net loss. Unlike the JFK – LBJ ticket (who hated each other, and had family / staff hostilities) I see no net positives. LBJ had some real legislative clout, and neither Clinton or Obama has that kind of experience or power. Pairing two weak candidates who have significant animosity toward each other seems even less promising of success than drafting St. Albert, the Goreacle. What the Democrats need is a Harry Truman, someone who actually understands and believes in main street middle American values. McCain is smart enough to recognize that, and in his visits to traditionally Democratic communities he’s made clear that he ‘gets’ it – the little guy is hurting, and the little guy is the all American Everyman. Neither Clinton or Obama seems to connect to that voting bloc, so pairing them gives the ticket all the liabilities of either front ronner, and nothing to counter balance those liabilities.
Orson Buggeigh on April 26, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Well, we mustn’t forget Obama’s spiritual advisor. Make it a foursome.
a capella on April 26, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Well, I dunno. These two and their constituencies can probably rationalize their way to forming/supporting this ticket. The true believers for each, I think, will come out for them on Election Day. But is the sum of those two groups enough to win in November?
mikeyboss on April 26, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I’m not sure about that. The election will be decided by a very close margin, and both parties are very worried about the stay-at-home voter. The combined ticket will lessen that number for the Dems.
Sure, some of the supporters of whichever is VP will still stay home, but most who would have stayed home (or crossed over) will show up. This is definitely going to be part of the calculus.
eeyore on April 26, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Dream Ticket? Yeah, for Republicans. These two looney-left hacks simply affirm the fact that nothing good comes from the Democrap party.To repeat a quote I once heard, “Bring it on!”
second digit on April 26, 2008 at 1:59 PM
The Dems need to deep-six these two monkeys and get with the program.
They need Goracle at the head of the ticket. He won’t save our souls but he’ll save Gaia and that’s more important.
Al Gore – Jeremiah Wright ‘08
Ares on April 26, 2008 at 2:24 PM
What is your ancestral background, profitsbeard? I know, he cat…answer only if you feel like it.
OT, if Obama would have waited 8 years, Hillary could have had this, perhaps would have even chosen him as VP, and they could have potentially had the WH for 16 years…alas, wasn’t to be. His precocious move ruined it for him, for her, and best of all for the libs.
Torn apart from within, by identity politics – delicious irony! Nothing sweet enough has been discovered/invented.
Entelechy on April 26, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Second look at Biden!!!
Heck, Second look at Kucinich!!!
Can you imagine how much of a landslide the Republicans would win by in November if they were capable of fielding even a mediocre candidate?
LegendHasIt on April 26, 2008 at 5:42 PM
What happens if Obama wins the Dem nomination and McCain chooses Hillary! as his VP?
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Second look at Huckabee
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 8:38 PM
It’s hard to think that more than the country would vote for either of them, even combined. I gotta say, I love it. Rules the Dim’s put in place in the 1980’s coming back to bite them. Priceless.
Hog Wild on April 26, 2008 at 11:00 PM
This is the election that the drive-by media promised all would go to the democrats, and when Juan McAmnesty wins that will again prove them to be right.
If you won’t vote for Satan then please go vote for Beelzebub. Such is todays GOP message to the party
toolsfaithful.DannoJyd on April 27, 2008 at 8:57 AM
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