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posted at 10:00 pm on April 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“[T]he Southern frontiersmen never got over their hatred of the East Coast elites and a belief in the morality and nobility of defying them. Their champion was the Indian-fighter Andrew Jackson. The outcome was that a substantial portion of the new nation developed, over many generations, a rather savage, unsophisticated set of mores. Traditionally, it has been balanced by a more diplomatic, communitarian Yankee sensibility from the Northeast and upper Midwest. But that latter sensibility has been losing ground in population numbers–and cultural weight.
The coarsened sensibility that this now-dominant Southernism and frontierism has brought to our national dialogue is unmistakable.”
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Chakra Hammer on April 27, 2008 at 2:02 AM
I must be deprived, I’ve never watched American Idol, am I missing anything?
dmann on April 27, 2008 at 2:20 AM
Whatever Newsweak says, the opposite is true.
leftnomore on April 27, 2008 at 2:48 AM
Like New Orleans or Houston, but I digress…
The author of this article is an absolute tool and a complete ignoramus when it comes to history, which can only mean one thing and that is that this dope filled his two Humanities requirements with courses in…
SOCIOLOGY: The Phoney Dicipline in Humanities and Mother of All Made Up Majors, Including, But Not Limited To: Feminist Studies, African-American Studies, Asian-American Studies, Native-American Studies, and Queer Theory!
Only Sociology dopes are capable of extrapolating warped theories such as this from the historical record that they never have, or will, understand.
SuperCool on April 27, 2008 at 3:09 AM
It is true.The after-effects of The Great Society Welfare Trap are abundant and obvious in all of our metropolitan areas, from north to south and east to west.
The ideas that this elitist gasbag is regurgitating are the precise reason for the urban decline all over our country now. Nothing (new) to see here, folks…
hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 3:22 AM
What a boorish lout Hirsh the Elitist is!
What a rancidly sophisticated spiel of convoluted progressive rant Hirsh managed to publish, historically incorrect, as a revisionist he projects the opposite of truth for the ignorant to swallow. Besides all of the contemporary bigotry Hirsh passes off in his yellow journalism, study how he attempts to distance himself from Wilson for example. Wilson’s family was Northern. His father took a Presbyterian clergy position South where Wilson was born. But when the big baby finally emerged on the national scene, it was Princeton that felt like home to Wilson, NOT the South. It was the NORTHEASTERN ELITES that made Wilson’s political career happen and coerced America into fascist mode via the DNC. German and Italian Fascists learned their lessons “How to Succeed” from President Wilson and his progressive socialists who preferred the power to be grabbed in Urban America, NORTHEASTERN ELITES, not so easily cornered in Rural America, and rural America was the mainstay of America’s population until after WWII. (Note Well: Hillary has made herself to be the female reincarnation of Wilson’s politics for the contemporary scene.)
As far as being “communal” as applicable to Northeasterners towards immigrants (including American citizens from elsewhere), the newbie better figure out quickly that there’s no room in the inn and the unwelcome mat may as well be at the entry door. Study Hirsh’s own self-righteous attitude to those outside of his closed circle.
Exactly how stupid is Hirsh? Where is the politically correct wording from Hirsh that he demands of others? Are Newsweek’s advertisers really desiring to alienate so many vast populations in America? THEY are the losers in so many ways beyond whatever Hirsh bemoans.
maverick muse on April 27, 2008 at 3:31 AM
On a scale of 1 – 10?
I’ve got three words: BINGO.
hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 3:37 AM
Hey, my neighbor’s dog is smarter than Hirsch.
maverick muse on April 27, 2008 at 3:43 AM
Oops.
hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 4:04 AM
is he any relation to seymour?
homesickamerican on April 27, 2008 at 4:13 AM
Sounds like a good idea to me, but only if they take California with them.
Maybe they can call themselves the United Nanny States of Ameri-stan.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on April 27, 2008 at 6:39 AM
Why do people still read Newsweek and Time? Why not read Hustler and go all the way if one wishes to spend time with total crap?
sabbott on April 27, 2008 at 7:34 AM
Having just moved from the belly of the beast (Boston) to the South, I must say that the inmates are trying to run the asylum in America. People down here are wonderful, family oriented, GOOD people. Children are respectful, even the police have an understanding on how to treat law abiding adults. The nanny-fools up north have destroyed Massachusetts imho, and I’m sure many other states have fallen. This regime will be stopped. Taking our money, ruining global food supplies, destroying whole generations of young minds, this election will be the watershed, where enough becomes enough, and the screeching minority will be put in their place.
frizzbee on April 27, 2008 at 8:02 AM
No No No, not God Damn America … God Bless America.
I wish all these 60s hippies would go away. They are screwing up America.
trs on April 27, 2008 at 8:18 AM
The difference between North and South is that if the North seceded the South wouldn’t start a war they’d throw a party.
Oldnuke on April 27, 2008 at 8:20 AM
Hmm pretty interesting. I’ll certainly agree with the first part. The south is growing for all those reasons, but you left out one. They are growing because people from the northeast are moving there. It’s too damn expensive to live here.
Huge statism, insane property taxes (I pay 12k per year for less than 3/4 of an acre of land) plus all the nickel and dime stuff. People leave for the south, tax payer base shrinks, taxes go up.. more people leave… downward spiral.
I’m sure this contributes to lack of reproducing as well. Who can afford it?
As for F. True nobody is better or worse, but any and every minority is to be treated “special”.
Dash on April 27, 2008 at 8:37 AM
lol.
Oh they were natural allies. Why didnt you say so? Unbelievable. Keep talking. :)
Dash on April 27, 2008 at 8:39 AM
This pretty well sums up my thoughts. This may be the year that 50 years of bull crap (with all due respects to bull crap) begins to be reversed. It will be a long struggle but I am up for it.
JonRoss on April 27, 2008 at 8:40 AM
Enlighten me. What was the point?
My point is that as much as it is fair to generalize to begin with, the Southerners dislike people from Northeast much more than the other way around.
Also reenactments of the greatest act of treason don’t take place here in Boston.
freevillage on April 27, 2008 at 8:55 AM
Hirsh states the obvious–
The North fought the Civil War to subdue the South in ways far beyond what King George III had required at our Revolution. The North simply wanted to OWN the South, which as victors they assumed rights over all these generations. That the South remains intact today is more than the North can bear.
Hirsh ignored the obvious–
The North never accepted the South following the Civil War. That Washington and Jefferson and so many other most intrinsic framing leaders have been Southern is a matter that Northeastern elitists persist in ignoring or revising mentally.
Hirsh is just another of those frauds who said they’d move out of the USA if Bush got elected, if Bush got re-elected, and now say if McCain wins they will take the land with them…
maverick muse on April 27, 2008 at 9:15 AM
Wow….what an idiot, uh, I mean liberal.
Patrick S on April 27, 2008 at 9:30 AM
Just wait until their Messiah loses in November- cause it’s never their fault.
I am getting to the point where I am enjoying their hatred of my values.
jjshaka on April 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM
What a dolt. It wasn’t the song that got her voted off Idol…she frankly just wasn’t consistently good enough. Talk about reading a lot of socialistic crap into something as simple as a “pick your favorite singer” show. wow. Wonder what he thinks of Dr. House?
scalleywag on April 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM
HaHa!, The Marxists in the Media are really beating the drums of late every so desperately!
Egfrow on April 27, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Having lived in the Deep South (Northwest Florida, Southern Alabama) most of my life, I can agree 100% with this:
In my opinion, thread winner.
Zorro on April 27, 2008 at 10:42 AM
If memory serves me right, it was the North that invaded the south.
Johan Klaus on April 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM
” All animals are equal: some are just more equal than others “
Johan Klaus on April 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM
That he writes this tripe, puts it out there for all to see, and actually signs his name to it is just stunning.
Dave Shay on April 27, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Allahpundit and Ed Morrissey:
lately I’ve been noticing more and more floating quotes on HA (and Michelle Malkin’s site) without attribution – yes, I know we find the guilty party when we click on the link – but it shouldn’t take much longer to just say “Hirsch at Newsweek says:”
Personally, if I’d seen up front that it was some hack at flush-my-Koran Newsweek, I wouldn’t bother reading it. And I used to write for that publication.
John the Libertarian on April 27, 2008 at 11:47 AM
If only!
obladioblada on April 27, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Proof positive! Liberals (90% Yankees)are idiots.
Travis1 on April 27, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Clarification:
Proof positive. Liberals (90% Yankees) are idiots.
Travis1 on April 27, 2008 at 12:17 PM
“Now-dominant?” Did this guy even watch “John Adams,” much less take American History in high school? The Virginians made this country and ran it for its first 50 years. The Bill of Rights came out of Virginia. “Give me liberty or give me death!” was spoken by a Virginian in a Virginia church. Thomas Jefferson, a Virginian, wrote the language of our revolution and remained the champion of small government and maximum individual rights to his death.
The Yankees were the mercantilists and Tories. Eventually they wrested control of the government from the Southerners and started their project of creating a strong central government and weakening the States. The result was a bloody civil war, from which it took 100 years for the South to recover. Some good that northern sensibility did us!
The worst excess of government in our nation’s history, the Alien and Sedition Acts, came from the Yankee mind of John Adams and his followers. The Virginian who followed him repealed them. I daresay the liberal mavens at Newsweek would not have approved of this Yankee creation.
I love how modern liberals claim Thomas Jefferson as one of their own because he championed the separation of church and state. Jefferson would utterly repudiate the modern liberal welfare state and a $3 trillion federal government with a $9 trillion debt. In fact, he would have led a revolution against it long ago.
rockmom on April 27, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Don’t take the bait. Let’s not start getting ugly regionally. Northerners, Southerners, Westerners and Easterners should all be able to agree that Michael Hirsh is pompous jackass.
Little Boomer on April 27, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Elitist ‘progressive’ twit cries in his beer, blaming Southern-Southwestern cultural inferiority for his personal political woes. He condescends to most of America, and most of America hates him back.
Any conservative, moderate or libertarian who still buys Newsweak needs to take a second look.
petefrt on April 27, 2008 at 1:28 PM
The greatest piece ever written on this subject.
P.S. No, I don’t endorse or agree with every single word. But overall it’s excellent and right on point.
freevillage on April 27, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Bitter much?
SuperCool on April 27, 2008 at 9:01 PM
One last thing to add, for the guy who was talking about “The greatest act of treason in our nation’s history”, were you asleep when your History prof covered the Hartford Convention (look it up) and the fact that the New England states actively traded with Britain during The War of 1812?
Say what you want about the southern secession, but actively trading with a foriegn power with whom your nation is at war with is a far greater treason, don’t you think?
SuperCool on April 27, 2008 at 9:09 PM
P.S. No, I don’t endorse or agree with every single word. But overall it’s excellent and right on point.
freevillage on April 27, 2008 at 7:40 PM
sounds like Stephen king. when will the nort learn that cuss words lose their flavor after about the second usage? crude very crude. The author forgets to mention that its the blue states that keep sending people to washington whom vote to raise their taxes. The South sends people to washington whom votes to take those taxes and give it back to the people. Of course the red states are going to get more money. If you keep filling the till we will of course keep trying to drain it. And what better way to drain it then in our own backyards. If the blue states would quit sending these tax and spenders to washington we would quit having to take all their money. what’s that saying “a fool and his money are soon parted”
unseen on April 27, 2008 at 10:51 PM
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
So all those people who have no goal in life but to stay on various welfare programs. They aren’t leeches on the society. They are Professors of Applied Libertarianism who have committed their life to an important cause of educating others on how to be fiscally responsible.
Uhmm… no. The reality is much more trivial. Any brief familiarization with stats will reveal that people in the South vote for spending just as easily as they do here in Massachusetts. NC where I used to live for a while is run by the Democrats with an iron fist. Yet in the Presidential elections a Democrat will have no chance.
Why?
Because local politics is much more about “infrastructure” and “education”, and Presidential politics is much more about fuhggits and wearing a flag pin. And the red staters, particularly in the South will choose more government every single day. The only “conservative” position is let’s have less taxes. Which isn’t a position at all.
- OK, kids… the Daddy has made a tough decision. From this day on… and I don’t want to hear any objections!… our income will triple!
- Uhm… may I ask, how will that happen?!
- My opponent (who happens to be my wife) is against tripling our income.
President Bush has expanded the government beyond belief. Who on the “conservative” side cared? It’s not like they are voiceless. When it comes to judges who need to make sure that every time a woman has sex she effectively signs a contract by which she must raise an additional child if need be (remember, condoms don’t work!), the right-wing nuts have plenty of voice.
(I supported conservative judges but not because of abortion.)
It’s quite clear that the right wing doesn’t care about fiscal conservatism. They are a definitionally totalitarian force. Always more government. Medicare? More government. Guys making out? More government. People checking books from libraries? More government.
People around the world often look up to America. Not as many as Americans love to pretend but some do. You know what they think of when they think of America? NYC and Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Nobody says, if only Vienna was more like Bumf&^ck, KS or MS.
So yeah, make something nice out of where you live right now, cut down on lectures on patriotism. Then teach teh Northeastern Elite how to be less arrogant.
freevillage on April 28, 2008 at 12:26 AM
You are confusing conservatism with the messy conglomerated over-reaching “big tent” that the Republican party has become.
hillbillyjim on April 28, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I’ve heard this northern emotional adjustment referred to as the post-Civil War conquest-era syndrome. In other words, shock-waves ensued when the South finally recovered from its decades-long slump resulting from losing a war, a military invasion and occupation. Please note that pointing out the resulting degree of disruption is not a defense of slavery or the plantation system, but rather recognition of the roots of southern poverty for decades.
Regardless, of the benefits of ending a corrupt labor system, the northern states raked in financial benefits and certainly gained economic domination. Some of their gains imitate the pattern of any typical conqueror. In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, northerners purchased valuable southern and south eastern resources at fire sale prices, and yet still kept their residences in the north. This situation meant that the taxes and profits from coal mines, horse farms, lumber production and natural gas often went out-of-state for decades. Southern states, like India were convenient for providing their raw materials for northern factories and then as markets to purchase northern products. I don’t need to remind anyone here how the tax and revenue cycle would impact schools and cultural opportunities.
Of course, these conditions restricted development in industry, education and cultural opportunities. These regions lacked the financial reserves to kick start their economies. One might hope that northerners such as Mr. Hirsh would have the common sense to understand that this earlier poverty cycle was not due to the culture’s intrinsic “coarseness” or the “savage” nature of southern people, but rather to the burdens of history limiting opportunities for southern youth. Instead He espoused a twisted version of White Man’s Burden. Hirsh argues that the northern grownups were once able to take the childlike southern savages by the hand, and lead them into the light of civilization– Please Mr. Kipling, focus on your own backyard; Chicago may be burning again.
I suspect if Mr. Hirsh viewed a similar situation on a different continent; he would demonstrate a new found sympathy and advocacy for their struggles. Correct me if I’ve misunderstood, but I don’t believe that northern states attempted to help rebuild the southern states during the late 19th or even the early 20th century. In fact, some of its cultural leaders appear to have enjoyed picking over the bones for depressing scenes featured in their literary and film projects. They gawked at southern culture as though they were visiting exotic animals in a zoo. What was hinted but remained unsaid was the belief that the South deserved to be punished for decades after the war.
There is a reason Mr.Hirsh adores lording it over another American region, and beats his breast at the prospect of losing his Sahib status. His tone is an ancient one; found in the contemptuous accents of conquerors.
Ragnell on April 28, 2008 at 5:26 AM
Should we nickname him Rudyard Hirsh and his publication- Yankee Man’s Burden?
Ragnell on April 28, 2008 at 5:33 AM
Somehow my last line didn’t make it on my previous vent and I liked it
It should end as:
Well sir, you’ve lost your colony
Ragnell on April 28, 2008 at 5:36 AM
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