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posted at 10:00 pm on April 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“[T]he Southern frontiersmen never got over their hatred of the East Coast elites and a belief in the morality and nobility of defying them. Their champion was the Indian-fighter Andrew Jackson. The outcome was that a substantial portion of the new nation developed, over many generations, a rather savage, unsophisticated set of mores. Traditionally, it has been balanced by a more diplomatic, communitarian Yankee sensibility from the Northeast and upper Midwest. But that latter sensibility has been losing ground in population numbers–and cultural weight.
The coarsened sensibility that this now-dominant Southernism and frontierism has brought to our national dialogue is unmistakable.”
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In a way I’m glad that someone finally said it. Truth is, Liberal hate Southerners. Hate them. Wath The Daily Show, the incredible contempt he has.
AYNBLAND on April 26, 2008 at 10:09 PM
If it is Hirsh and Newsweek, why would anyone bother to read it in the first place? (I can tell you about some course Northeasterners and their ugly bigotry toward the South; but that is hardly news. I grew up in the Midwest so I am neutral in the North South battle of contempt and have seen it go both ways.)
KW64 on April 26, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Sweet Tea and grits. The south was bound to win. Oh, and Nascar.
lorien1973 on April 26, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Wow. That’s in Newsweek?
Michael Hirsh, I am a “Damn Yankee” who grew up in a liberal Northeastern blue state, came to NC for college, and never left.
(To NC natives, Yankees visit and leave, “Damn Yankees” visit and don’t leave!)
They even have a whole town here for “Damn Yankees” … it’s called Cary, NC, and even my mother in the northeast knows that Cary is an acronym for “Containment Area for Relocated Yankees”. :-)
I thank God that Christian businessmen in the Bible belt led me to Jesus Christ.
2008 appears to be the year of pulling back the curtain to reveal the truth about the great and mighty Oz…
And now that your side is being revealed for what it is, and you are losing ground, you want the North to secede? That’s pathetic. It’s time to break free from your mental slavery…
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Well I read what Mr. Hirsh wrote about us
Well I see old Michael’s putting us down,
Well I hope Michael Hirsh will remember
Southern man don’t need him around.
radjah shelduck on April 26, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Which is why my wife and I moved to Texas. Like the saying goes: I wasn’t born in Texas, but I got here just as fast as I could. Man I love this state!
Weight of Glory on April 26, 2008 at 10:17 PM
It’s simple really why the south (and west) is rising. That is the part of the country that is
A.) Having babies
B.) Growing economically largely through free markets
C.) Actually believe in something worth living for
The northeast (and coasts)
D.) Aren’t reproducing themselves
E.) aren’t growing economically largely because of growing statism
F.) are identified with the ideology of multi- cultural and postmodern relativism. A philosophy that says that no one is better, morally or physically, than anyone else, which explains D & E. Why have babies if they are no better than anyone else?
tlclark on April 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM
2008 appears to be the year of pulling back the curtain to reveal the truth about the great and mighty Oz…
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Very true.
Weight of Glory on April 26, 2008 at 10:19 PM
apparently southern bashing is ok … so long as you are bashing southern white folks that is.
HawaiiLwyr on April 26, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Actually I’ve always disliked Massachusetts because of their instance of ethnic cleansing against my forefathers(Le Grand Dérangement, 1755), a good 100 years before the Civil War.
Plus the Red Sox suck.
darclon on April 26, 2008 at 10:20 PM
One of the more ubiquitous Hollywood stereotypes is the guy with the Southern accent who’s either stupid or crooked. Will Sharpton protest that kind of prejudice? Don’t hold your breath.
jgapinoy on April 26, 2008 at 10:21 PM
What a load of crap.
peacenprosperity on April 26, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Very insightful.
It’s as if “Jesusland”/the red states are going the way of South Korea, while the blue states are going the way of North Korea.
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 10:22 PM
I live in Miami right now and am counting down the days to retirement when we move to Savannah. I can’t wait to get into the real South where people actually like each other and my country.
johnsteele on April 26, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Well Gawd A’mighty. Looks like we’uns is gonna have to put down down the moonshine, stop watchin’ Dukes of Hazard reruns and load up the squirrel rifles. Looks liken them damn Yankees is gettin all up in the britches and wanna to start a feudin’!
Kasper Hauser on April 26, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Well said!
jgapinoy on April 26, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Who is waging this cultural clash? Are the southern reactionary types trying to impose their “unsophisticated set of mores” on the whole of America? Or is it the “sophisticated set” wishing to use the powers of government to promote their mores?
I know of no unwashed person who wishes to tell the peoples of San Francisco or New York or the other venues of sophistication how they must run their lives. Yet I know of many of those on the higher order who wish to use the courts, the law, the state to tell others what they must allow.
Who is firing the shots here, Mr. Hirsh?
And yet when the great unwashed fire back, it is they who are accused of causing the clash.
We’ll stop shooting back if you stop first.
SteveMG on April 26, 2008 at 10:31 PM
I got your savage, unsophisticated set of mores right here.
Buford on April 26, 2008 at 10:33 PM
I think it is true that they South always hated the “finger in their nose” Northeasterner. As expansion was on the move the Mid-west hated them and the SW and so on. Fortunately for the NEern bastards, expansion finally hit another coast and they could add SF,LA, and Seattle to their team. And this is the way it still sits. May the best man win.
thatcher on April 26, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Has the Mason Dixon moved North? Because we’re “bitter” too here in SW PA.
mred on April 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM
This is very informative regarding the arrogant, condescending thought processes of these types.
I’m surprised he found the time to bother with writing this for the unwashed masses.
hillbillyjim on April 26, 2008 at 10:48 PM
That is because the “sophisticates” cannot compete economically or societally when left to their own devices. The only way they can survive long term is if government makes everyone else behave, otherwise they will be overwhelmed by the “course masses” washing over them. For many good reasons most people don’t want to be like these people, and without the force of law the “sophisticates” will be nothing but irritating background noise for a healthy happy society. With the force of law on their side they then have the power to spread their cancer wherever they so choose.
Buford on April 26, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Flashback:
Messiah’s wife: “Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed”
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 10:50 PM
They say this about us, & then they turn around & actually study Incas, Hutus, & Bedouins (politically correct unsophisticates), hoping to learn from them.
jgapinoy on April 26, 2008 at 10:51 PM
The “value” of college education on display.
mred on April 26, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Call me niave,or mistaken,but I always thought that during
the civil war,it was the Republicans who went to war against
the Liberals on freeing the African Americans,African slaves
at the time!
Or maybe I should’ve said North vrs.the South!
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 10:54 PM
He ground his axe for so long that he combusted.
Randy.
williars on April 26, 2008 at 10:56 PM
First of all, I don’t think it’s entirely accurate any longer to say that the primary division in this country is between the South and North East; it’s between the metropolitan areas and everything in between. Second, the reason the influence of the metro areas is waning is because they kill a lot more of their babies and are more dependent on the state. Third of all, if the liberal metro elites want a civil war, they will lose soundly, and our nation would be strengthened as a result.
FloatingRock on April 26, 2008 at 10:57 PM
My God it must suck to be that angry all the time.
lodestonejames on April 26, 2008 at 10:57 PM
hillbillyjim on April 26, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Nothing is more savage and unsophisticated than a Northern city where drugs, crime and violence are rampant.
TheBigOldDog on April 26, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Note to Michelle Obama:
I am involved and informed.
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Don’t let this creep fool you southerners. Some of us northeastern country boys are called rednecks too. Don’t confuse us with the moonbats, please.
dogsoldier on April 26, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I personally don’t buy into the myth about America being so culturally divided. I have family all over the place… in New England, Montana, and throughout the MidWest and Near South. I live in California after spending most of my life overseas. We all get together from time to time and enjoy our differences while cherishing all the things that remind us how alike we all are. There are plenty of barbs thrown around but Americans have plenty in common.
lexhamfox on April 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Well said and well met.
The “Silent Majority” speaks.
hillbillyjim on April 26, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Don’t confuse us with moonbats,please.
dogsoldier on April 26,2008 at 11:02PM.
dogsoldier: Very intriguing description,obviously
this would be a very small minority,
and it just might fly,albiet confusing
tho, Redneck Moonbats! Ha Ha.
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Yankees visit the south and return home.
Damned yankees move to the south.
And as my father-in-law says,
God-damned Yankees move to the south and marry their daughters.
;-)
cannonball on April 26, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Don’t tease.
VolMagic on April 26, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Got a relative in Cary. I know the acronym, too. Heh.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 26, 2008 at 11:18 PM
My wife and I moved from NYC to SC partly because of this unwarrented pretention among the Nouveau Riche.
That and I love shrimp and grits.
Rob Taylor on April 26, 2008 at 11:19 PM
And the author reached this epiphany because an American Idol contestant was voted off the show after she decided to sing Jesus Christ Superstar?
So, if I say she was voted off because she had a sleeve tattoo, the writer could blame it on sweet tea?
PattyAnn on April 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Interesting the Civil War occured because the South was losing the political battle in Congress over who had the most votes. Free States were rapidly outgrowing slave ones.
This caused resentment in the South and led to the worst war in American history.
Now it seems the North is whining that its political influence is on the wain and it doesnt like the South having so much power. The economic and political shift is what really is causing liberals to fear this change and why they hope to throw open the borders to decrease the power of the right in this country.
William Amos on April 26, 2008 at 11:22 PM
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 11:13 PM heh heh, the moonbats moved in across from the fish n’ game club and complain about all the shooting going on, and about the “smells” coming from the local farms…
Alas, there are more and more of them moving in all the time. And more and more off us moving down there where we fit in better.
dogsoldier on April 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Indeed. Which is why every ticket must have have somebody from the Northeast. They simply wouldn’t vote for people from like… I don’t know… say, Arkansas and Tennessee.
freevillage on April 26, 2008 at 11:29 PM
I say let everything in the NE secede, Illinois, and the left coast, have NJ absorb the Soviet of Philly and secede.
That’ll take care of our Philly problem here in PA, and’ll turn our state a nice healthy red. Let the Marxists run things their way on their own dime. We already know who wins when you pit Marxism vs. Capitalism.
doubleplusundead on April 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM
If blue state America wants to secede, they will have to leave all the red counties behind.
It’s going to look mighty cramped in there … especially once we put up the walls and immigration controls.
Kristopher on April 26, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Got a relative in Cary. I know the acronym, too. Heh.
As a 27-year resident of Cary, I have to say, HEY! I ain’t no Damn Yankee!
NeighborhoodCatLady on April 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM
No way, let them find their own damn country. If they try to succeed they’ll lose the war in a matter of days or a few weeks and we can expel the survivors.
FloatingRock on April 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Let them secede, remove the red counties and form new states with them. Build walls.
Then declare war.
Kristopher on April 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM
You have again missed the point, or rather, tried to divert attention from the truth.
Everybody knows it’s you, Hillary. Enough of the charade.
It takes a freevillage?
hillbillyjim on April 26, 2008 at 11:42 PM
South Carolina was right, and I’m really tired of history being re-written as though the North was some pristine holy land for black folks. It wasn’t, and in many is worse than the South today. The irony is palpable.
SouthernGent on April 26, 2008 at 11:42 PM
“more diplomatic…Yankee sensibility from the Northeast and upper Midwest”
Uhm. I hate to throw around stereotypes, but we’uns from the South are a damn sight more polite than a buncha Yankees.
Haha. Not too many did. What did BJ and Algore get, 40, 42% of the vote? Besides, BJ and Algore weren’t exactly Southerners. Reverse carpet-baggers, as it were.
misterpeasea on April 26, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Exactly! If they want a war how are they going to feed themselves? Coastal cities could import all of their food but it shouldn’t be too difficult to put a stop to that. The red areas can survive without the blue but not vice-versa.
Tough luck, Hirsh, you pansy.
FloatingRock on April 26, 2008 at 11:43 PM
That would be acceptable….
FloatingRock on April 26, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Maybe, but at least people can understand what the hell we say, I ended up dealing with some woman on the phone a few weeks ago who sounded like Boomhauer on estrogen.
doubleplusundead on April 26, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Kristopher on April 26,2008 at 11:41PM.
That would be acceptable…
FloatingRock on April 26,2008 at 11:47PM.
May I offer a compromise, Quebec! Ha ha!
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Us’uns here in South central PA would be happy if them city folk in Filthydelphia all seceded. I’m going to go out a cling to my guns and bible now.
MCPO Airdale on April 26, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Us Northcentral PA guys would be happy to see the Soviet of Philly gone too, I’ll do my clinging a little later.
doubleplusundead on April 26, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Besides, civility is overrated.
doubleplusundead on April 26, 2008 at 11:55 PM
It’s actually a Marxist/Socialist/Communist thing. Look at what the Communist Manifesto said about rural vs. urban people.
Democratic Socialists (who like to incorrectly call our REPUBLIC a “Democracy”) get the majority of their votes in a few very large cities. (You can go to http://gis.esri.com/esriclips/clip.cfm?ClipID=320 and see a flash demo of ESRI GIS maps from 2004 election data, and the very last one is a 3D map that makes it clear that Dem’s get the majority of their votes in places like Chicago, LA, Boston, New York, Detroit, Seattle, Miami, etc.)
Also take note that the Democratic Socialists want to unconstitutionally change the way we elect our President, to make it less “Republican” and more “Democratic”. I say it’s unconstitutional because the states have to determine the selection of their electors using only rules within their individual state. Anything that is “Interstate” is the domain of the Constitution, and changes to that require Constitutional Amendments, not “Interstate Compacts”.
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Don’t you all get it. You are just not enlightened enough.
They know what’s best for us; who are we to say otherwise.
Ingrates.
hillbillyjim on April 26, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 11:58 PM
So long
brak on April 26, 2008 at 11:59 PM
That was my thought too. If Mexico takes over the south, secession is a done deal.
OldEnglish on April 27, 2008 at 12:01 AM
If we sit around and let foreign countries take over the United States without a fight, America is a done deal.
FloatingRock on April 27, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Once I overcome my impatience with Hirsch-like ahistorical obtuseness, I’m always entertained by blue staters contemplating secession, like resentful children threatening to run away from home. I imagine, with particular gratification, an added dose of angry angst should it ever actually occur to them that we’ll have all the food and all the guns.
JM Hanes on April 27, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Does anyone besides me think that big cities are where Dems steal elections? In big populations they can hide fraud more easily, and even a small percentage of fraud within a large population can tilt the outcome of the entire state, and sometimes even the entire country. That’s why the Dems in 2004 were trying to steal the entire Presidential election by introducing fraud in the area of Miami.
How do we improve accountability and ensure fair elections in our 20 biggest U.S cities this November?
Anyone? Anyone?
Red Pill on April 27, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Must be a Yankee man thing.
In my experience, the Yankee women not only understand perfectly, but love every word. And then if you go ahead and hold the door open for them, they’re like putty in your paws.
misterpeasea on April 27, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Shhhhhh.
hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Don’t let the screen-door hit you in the butt on the way out.
Lily on April 27, 2008 at 12:26 AM
I doubt it’s occurred to Hirsh that the red zone’s political clout actually pales in comparison to the red zone’s raw physical dominance over the blue zones. He’s just a liberal elitist who’s very survival has probably always been dependent on those of us who reside in the real world.
FloatingRock on April 27, 2008 at 12:26 AM
North eastern liberals suck. They are elitist snobs. I will take Jacksonian hillbilly over jeffersonian elitist.
elBarto on April 27, 2008 at 12:35 AM
The North can secede. Fine.
It’s been hemorrhaging people and jobs for the past 40 years. Texas has been booming all that while. I wonder why..
Does Newsweek think it can continue to exist without readers and advertisers?
Stupid buttrag…
TexasJew on April 27, 2008 at 12:35 AM
In Mr. Hirsh’s efforts to take a low blow at Southerners and Westerners, he has un-intentionally paid us a high compliment in deed. For it is people like us that he disparages in his commentary that will ‘keep the lights on’ in this country.
BTW, if Mr. Hirsch (and others like him) want to secede from the union, they should take a moment to consider where (geographically) the bulk of the military might of this nation is located.
P.S.: Mr Hirsh, if you are really serious about seceding from the Union, I suggest you consider moving to Vermont. I hear they have a very active secessionist movement going on there. Hurry, beat the rush.
Sincerely
c3ichief on April 27, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Two things to add:
A) The South and West are where the “right-to-work” states are. So, I guess the “worker’s paradise” they created in the Northeast and Midwest hasn’t been such a paradise after all.
B) If the North wants another civil war, perhaps they should remember what Rhett Butler said in Gone With The Wind: “The North has factories and shipyards. All we have is cotton, slaves, and … arrogance.” Today, the South has all the heavy industry because unions drove them out of the North. We also have the military installations, and, best yet, we all have guns coming out our wazoos and God on our side, just ask Barack Obama.
Kafir on April 27, 2008 at 12:47 AM
I’m just goofing. We’re not animals up here (except in Philly…but Philly sucks and doesn’t count), it’s all the yes ma’am and yes suh nonsense that’s grating. I think that would drive me insane. I’d wanna punch myself if I walked around adding suh and ma’am to the end of every sentence all day.
doubleplusundead on April 27, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Excellent point. In this hypothetical civil war between the cities and country, not only will they be hard pressed to feed and hydrate themselves but they’ll be in the dark as well. Their refrigerators, microwaves, stoves, air conditioning and even their elevators, TV’s and computers will be useless without power. Their sophisticated elite clothing will be dirty, stinky and wrinkled.
Hirsh, you’ll be up the creek without a paddle—or rather, you’d be better off up the creek.
FloatingRock on April 27, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Yes suh, that thar varmint has been watchin’ too many cartoons.
Silly
rabbitzombie.hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 1:04 AM
I for one am damn proud to be a Jacksonian. Now if only one of the two political parties had the balls of an Andrew Jackson maybe we could have gotten out of Iraq in two years after a smashing victory, maybe Iran would have been taken care of by now, the rest of the world quaking in their boots to even think of pissing us off and maybe just maybe our kids could be taught about the founding documents and what it means and finally maybe our borders could be secured.
unseen on April 27, 2008 at 1:08 AM
Fools……….. all!
Seven Percent Solution on April 27, 2008 at 1:10 AM
I’d love to find out how superior the metropolitan elites feel over the rest of us after they’ve been without a bath for a few weeks and their cloths are in tatters. How far will their Utopian fantasies carry them once they’ve been made to come to terms with reality? Precisely nowhere.
FloatingRock on April 27, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Really? My hyperbole meter is pegged out on that one.
hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Yee-ha ya bunch of flee bitten redneck hicks! Not everyone in the northeast lives in the city or is a liberal, damn there even might be a Republican or two if ya’ll care to look around!
dmann on April 27, 2008 at 1:22 AM
There’s nothing wrong with hyperbole.
But do you mean to say that you wouldn’t care to see the very elites who would secede from the union brought down to earth and forced to deal real life as a result of their own actions? In my opinion it would be poetic justice.
Seriously though, my comment above amounts to nothing more than hyperbole because the reality is that in the event of an actual civil war, elites like Hirsh would be among the first to skip town and leave the country.
FloatingRock on April 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM
I know the comments here are all just jokey but the idea of civil war overwhelms me with anxiety and loathing. Pray it never happens.
aengus on April 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Of course there are. I’ve been one of them most of my life, although in Seattle not the NE. There are plenty of liberals in the red zones as well. Nobody here is seriously contemplating a civil war, we’re just pointing out by way of example how preposterous Hirsh’s proposition is.
FloatingRock on April 27, 2008 at 1:40 AM
True enough, you’ve seen enough of it, I’m guessing.
doubleplusundead on April 27, 2008 at 1:43 AM
Who in the hell would want to fight a civil war to keepstrong> the elites. Now fight to throw them out, well, thats a different story.
Big Orange on April 27, 2008 at 1:43 AM
Frankly, Hirsh-let, I don’t give a damn.
The desperation of this dipsh*ts is diagnosable:
OWS- Obama Withdrawal Syndrome.
Many more OWS to come.
(And some Ouch’s, too.)
profitsbeard on April 27, 2008 at 1:43 AM
I think that aengus answers that for me:
Thank you, aengus.
No, I do not wish anyone to be unbathed and wearing rags, no matter how misguided their idiotic political beliefs.
hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 1:46 AM
FloatingRock on April 27, 2008 at 1:40 AM
Just trying to be a bit silly, smooth night (so far) at work! Hirsh and his ilk are clueless morons. If the Obamatrons want a glimpse of America under the messiah they should look at whats going on in Massachusetts under Gov. Cadillac Duval Patrick, the commonwealth is going down the shi##er!
dmann on April 27, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Yup.
Like AP said: “bitter.”
hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 1:50 AM
You are so right except Cotton has been replaced by Natural Gas and Slaves by Illegal Aliens. But that arrogance thing , I wouldn’t be too proud of a characteristic that in the past has led to the South’s fall.
Well having just moved to Texas, Sept 2006, I must say all the nice, friendly people that I’ve met thus far were not born in Texas. But are transplants like myself looking for a nice place to raise their family free of the cancer that is Liberalism. This was the result of my company closing its Northern California office. Only to find strongholds of racist attitudes and the rudest people I’ve ever seen. It’s not like we went from the frying pan into the fire, just another frying pan containing a different kind of oil.
We were able to purchase a much larger home here, maybe that’s the problem. My son school mates always tell him that he’s living like P-Diddy. Only to discover their homes are larger than his. Could it be they are surprised we weren’t living in shotgun shack. Is it to far fetch to believe that a black family living in a nice neighborhood is something alien to them. I believe this is part of the “new” south that has yet to be conquered.
I was always told that there is Northern kind of racism and Southern kind of racism. Northerners don’t care how big you get as long as you don’t get to close. A southerner doesn’t care how close you get as long as you don’t get to big. Or to paraphrase Chris Rock, “…A white man with a nickel hates a Blackman with a dime”.
Zaire67 on April 27, 2008 at 1:53 AM
I thought that might be the case. : )
FloatingRock on April 27, 2008 at 2:02 AM
The guy goes on a long rant about how some girl loses on American Idol then blames the South for it..
Sheesh.. Maybe she just sucked really bad?
Chakra Hammer on April 27, 2008 at 2:02 AM
Zaire67 on April 27, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Living in the north and the south I don’t think you can simply say whites are racist. In fact your comment is more racist than most I’ve read. Most people I have befriended could care less what color a person’s skin is or what they make. It is the person’s character that they care about. If you look for racism in everything you will find it even when it isn’t there.
unseen on April 27, 2008 at 2:06 AM
Nah.
I’m pretty sure it’s a Zionist conspiracy.
(although I question the timing..2..3..4)
hillbillyjim on April 27, 2008 at 2:12 AM
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