Obama’s stupid flag-pin dust-up turns stupider yet
posted at 9:20 pm on April 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Revisionist history? Sounds pretty consistent to me. In both versions of the story he wants the world to know that he’s the True Patriot, and for reasons known only to him decided it was important to communicate that fact through the non-wearing of a 99-cent flag pin that no one, but no one, pays attention to. Except, of course, self-absorbed intellectuals like Barack Obama.
It’s not just the flag pin, either. Remember when he made a stink about refusing to vote on the Senate resolution condemning MoveOn for the “Betray Us” ad? That was another case of His Holiness being ostentatiously superior to the rest of us — although in fairness, that abstention could just as easily be explained as a show of gutlessness by a guy in a tough position politically than some sort of empty-gesture “principled” stand. Exit question: Am I wrong to read this article as Dean-o getting a little nervous about BO’s electability and winking at the superdelegates to do what they’ve got to do?
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Obama can’t bite the hand that feeds him, moveon endorsed him,
how can he kick them in the jimmy?
Chakra Hammer on April 26, 2008 at 9:26 PM
The flag is one of things bitter people cling to.
jgapinoy on April 26, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Politics vs Principles. Obama strikes me as so weak in character that he would choose politics every time.
Zorro on April 26, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Politics, bought and paid for by the special interests, Politics as usual.
Chakra Hammer on April 26, 2008 at 9:27 PM
There is no way the Supers will go against the popular vote, it would isolate their base of young-uns & minorities, of whom they base their success strategy for the next 20 years on.
Alden Pyle on April 26, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Hillary would have a flag tatoo put on her forehead to win the election…
AnthonyK on April 26, 2008 at 9:33 PM
comrades: To the Hammer and Sickle!
mred on April 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM
He’s the greatest guy nobody really knows.
Vizzini on April 26, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Alden Pyle on April 26, 2008 at 9:29 PM
Don’t bet on it Alden; the supers are concerned with winning in November, nothing else. Why did the Dems create the supers and stick them into their system if it wasn’t a method around the people in the event the people were about to choose a candidate that couldn’t win in the general? The sole purpose of the supers is to advance the best possible chance of winning; nothing else matters.
Keemo on April 26, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Come on now – No one is more patriotic than Obama – just as no one loves the Jewish people more and no one respects gay people more…etc. Obama is the mostest bestest. How can he be doubted???
HawaiiLwyr on April 26, 2008 at 9:38 PM
If Dean-o is worried about BO, then perhaps some bathing is in order? Or perhaps he can scream the stink away!
Nyuck nyuck nyuck
Weebork on April 26, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I am astonished.
That LGF synopsis is a smoking freakin’ gun in the hand of a stupid twit who just lied his face off to eyewitnesses who are standing there WITH TRANSCRIPTS for God’s sake!
Who does Glowbama think he is? Bill Clinton?
He’s lost it. He’ll be neutered and booted before the convention, crying “racism” all the way.
heldmyw on April 26, 2008 at 9:39 PM
So how many issues–large and small–has Obama taken two opposite positions on?
It’s well into the double digits, surely.
baldilocks on April 26, 2008 at 9:57 PM
From what I understand, Dean isn’t chummy with the Clintons. So for him to hint at the superdel’s to vote Hillary, he must be getting desperate.
It’s all good for Mac!
JetBoy on April 26, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Only two positions? Looks to me like all of his positions are highly nuanced and depend on who he’s talking to at the time. He has an array of positions on the issues. Which one would you like to hear?
misterpeasea on April 26, 2008 at 10:11 PM
What’s the etiquette on the flag pin? Do politicians and bureaucrats pretty much have to wear them at every TV appearance? What about us plebes? Just the 4th of July, maybe? I don’t even own a flag pin. Do they sell them at Walmart? Could I just wear an actual flag, like a cape or something? I’m just not sure when it’s appropriate to go all McCarthy on someone over the flag pin. They should really print a manual.
RightOFLeft on April 26, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Like most liberals, he’s the kind of “patriot” that’s blissfully unencumbered by patriotism–well, patriotism to the United States, anyway.
ReubenJCogburn on April 26, 2008 at 10:23 PM
This is going to be giving (Cling to’s) Klingon’s a bad name!
Now is this a grand strategy for Obama,votes against the War,and doesn’t condemn the ad refering to General Patreus
as liar!(Liberals words,not mine on besmirching Patreus!)
Or,is this something Obama lucked into,sh!t luck so to speak
an absolute serendipity moment for Obama!
Oh and really, what kind of American wears a lapel pin
of the American Flag!(Sarc.)
Answer:A Patriotic,God fearing American who truly loves
his country!
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 10:30 PM
It’s not just the flag pin…it’s the hand over the heart while the National Anthem is played.
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Its not just the flag pin…
Red Pill on April 26,2008 at 10:30PM.
Red Pill: Umm,maybe Obama forgot!
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 10:38 PM
That link has videos showing some notable things:
1) Obama refusing to put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem
2) Proof that the Senate opens every session with a prayer, just as it has since our country’s founding
3) After the prayer, the Pledge of Allegiance is recited, clearly reminding Obama and the other Democrats that our flag stands for our REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 10:42 PM
This was a joke, right?
Nonfactor on April 26, 2008 at 10:48 PM
That link..
Red Pill on April 26,2008 at 10:42PM.
Red Pill: Just to clarify I was being a smart !ss on
the video link you provided,it clearly shows
Obama,but there will be a million excuses from
the left as to why Obama didn’t put his hand
over his heart,which is very telling of his
Allegiance to the Flag!
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 11:05 PM
FWIW, Edward Woodward in the Equalizer always wore an American Flag lapel pin, back in the 1980’s. Woodward thought it was “neat” IIRC.
People like the Lapel Flag pin.
I don’t think Obama will be dumped by the Supers. They’d probably like McCain to win, they’ll still pick up a few seats and McCain is a RINO anyway. Hillary would keep Black voters away. They don’t want that.
whiskey_199 on April 26, 2008 at 11:06 PM
You’re missing the point. Obama made this an issue when he was asked about it. He made the accusation that there were some politicians that wear it that aren’t true “Patriots” because they weren’t sincere in their support the Iraq war.
lowandslow on April 26, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Off-topic, but related by way of the company Obama keeps:
Someone just said, “We strategically know how to stop the city so people stand still”.
Any guesses who it was, and why they said it?
Click here.
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 11:14 PM
I am not a cursing man, but I almost cursed upon reading that…
Why do we have streets named after Malcom X?
And why do “Reverend”s choose to march down them?
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 11:18 PM
It wasn’t really the flag pin until Rev. Wright entered the scene. Then we had his brilliant SF speech, and in the backround is his wacky lefty wife. Starts people to think that this guy is, what? Not what his billing was for sure.
Oops! Did I forget to mention his radical leftist friends in Chicago? Glub, Glub, Glub.
thatcher on April 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Patriotism to The Left is proclaiming that you hate America.
SouthernGent on April 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM
The superdelegates cannot “do what they got to do”. Why you think they’d take their cues from Dean is beyond me. But more importantly how are the Dems supposed to win the elections without the black vote?
freevillage on April 26, 2008 at 11:22 PM
I hear ya. We will have to wear them everyday, everywhere, forever. No one will dare remove it.
tlynch001 on April 26, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Off topic..
Red Pill 0n April 26,2008 at 11:14PM.
Red Pill: Been fellowing this episode for a couple days
now!
Again it shows the Liberals on Parade,and the
best part is they could careless if it would
be showing the Liberal Party in a bad light!
And,nothing like fireing up the Moonbats before
Denver,this continues it will spill over into
Denver!
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Patriotism to the Left is proclaiming that you hate America.
SouthernGent on April 26,2008 at 11:21PM.
SouthernGent: Seriously,you should have that framed!
And,I have your answer,its right in front
of you!
Pat (RIOT) ism the LEFT THAT HATE AMERICA!
canopfor on April 26, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Obama is too intelligent for me to understand. I thought hanging out with racists, terrorists was bad, and refusing to show alliegance to the United States was a good thing.
Thank you for showing me the light…
I can’t wait for the Obama ad showing him helping with a partial birth abortion. He has to better at that than bowling.
Hog Wild on April 26, 2008 at 11:57 PM
For those who don’t think the flag pin, or proper salute during the Pledge of Allegiance, is a big deal: I don’t see why the American people should be asked to consider someone whose patriotic instincts must be interpreted by a team of psychologists, anthropologists, and fortune tellers as their leader. If the President of the United States doesn’t revere his country and place its interests first and foremost, then who will speak for us? Who will respect us? What would we think of a foreign leader who ostentatiously refused to salute his country’s flag, or proudly wear his country’s symbol? We certainly wouldn’t think he was a formidable leader who would do anything for his people. Wearing a flag pin is such a small gesture that its absence creates a howling void. Voting for someone who would even consider wearing his country’s symbol “controversial” would be like having a guy show up for quarterback tryouts wearing a blank white football helmet, then having him spend a half hour explaining to the coach how it represents his highly evolved and nuanced sense of team spirit. The coach would bounce the guy out on his arse, especially if he also had virtually no experience playing football. The American people should treat Obama likewise, and insist on qualified candidates with unqualified patriotism.
Doctor Zero on April 27, 2008 at 12:22 AM
As much as some of you may hate the idea, Limbaugh could be on to something when he says the “supers” should vote for somebody besides Obama or Clinton.
But then, the problem is whom do they vote for?
“Global warming” “profit” Algore? Some have said he can’t be selected because he won’t debate “warming.” So what? McEgo believes in it too–no debate possible there.
Then there is the black vote, which won’t be happy with a tossed aside Obama. Anybody in the Dems hierarchy want to volunteer to be Reginald Denny? My office has three Obama supporters and two of them has a gun. By dem standards I should call in sick the day after Obama is not selected. After all, I am the only “republican” in the room.
Next up, the feminists & lesbians: I ain’t going there. Too unpredictable. I would think that a concerted effort be made by the Park Police to keep Fort Marcy Park off limits to all after Hillary is not selected though. The “suicide” rate will likely be quite high.
This identity politics thing is quite entertaining…..don’t you think?
TwinkietheKid on April 27, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Time to ask a question that hasn’t been asked yet:
Now that we know what
- Barak Hussein Obama
- his wife (finally proud of the US, but her internet-association with certain fund-raisers is back to being a secret)
- his mentor of 20 years (who just built his retirement house where?)
all think of Americans:
Q1: How many delegates did BHO really win?
Q2: How many people who voted for him then would vote for him now?
New Coke really was a bad choice, wasn’t it.
Arbalest on April 27, 2008 at 12:39 AM
You know, the Onion has a new poll out that may explain this and other issues.
Send_Me on April 27, 2008 at 1:04 AM
Just when everyone had forgotten this non-issue about the trivial flag pin, Obama inserts his hoof-in-mouth again and stirs the settled pot back to life.
What a maroon.
It isn’t important… unless you somehow feel guilty about it… and keep trying to re-explain it.
All he needed to say,. originally, was: “It’s on my other coat lapel.”
End of “controversy”.
But he’s a pompous, clueless schmuck who overthinks things because he thinks he thinks about things more than most people.
Ponder that, Barry O.
profitsbeard on April 27, 2008 at 1:10 AM
BO made the flag pin an issue. Nobody attacked him on it – HE pontificated about how he was making a statement by NOT wearing it, as if those who did were shallow.
So I will make a statement on November 4, by NOT voting for him. Because he does not wear a flag pin? Hell no! I don’t wear one either. But he thinks making a big deal out of a pin is doing something brave and significant, and then he whines that he is being treated badly when some eople notice it and disagree with him. He acts brave about nothing, and then he acts scared about it too! Wuss-o-rama!!
drunyan8315 on April 27, 2008 at 1:29 AM
It’s not a choice: either he’s superior to us OR he’s better than us. It’s both.
JustTruth101 on April 27, 2008 at 2:01 AM
The Democrats will knowingly nominate this extremist, who is not electable. So it’s true– McCain and the Dems ARE on the same side! Anyone else could beat that tyrant.
leftnomore on April 27, 2008 at 2:18 AM
You do realize that it wasn’t the Pledge of Allegiance, right?
The truth is wearing a piece of metal does not say anything at all about how much you love this country. Bottom line.
Nonfactor on April 27, 2008 at 6:11 AM
Why didn’t anyone ask Obama what wearing a pin or not has to do with telling the American people what he believes will make the coutnry great? If he wears the pin, does that void what he says or diminish its significance? Makes no sense to me, which suggests he made it up on the spot without thinking it through.
NNtrancer on April 27, 2008 at 6:20 AM
That could not have been more clumsily handled by the Dalai Bama than if it had been the medal pinning on soon-to-be Captain Wilton Parmenter on F-Troop.
Captain Scarlet on April 27, 2008 at 6:55 AM
Nice.
Stankleberry on April 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM
I’m really bitter! I don’t like Obama or Hillary but when I turn around I have McCain sticking the knife in my back as a conservative! I’m going to go snuggle up with my bible and gun!
sabbott on April 27, 2008 at 7:36 AM
With respect to the abstention, I will go with the “gutlessness” option.
Despite all of the polls which show trending toward the Donks for POTUS, does anyone really think that Obamarx could win this thing ? My gut is telling me when it is all done that McCain could pull a 50 state sweep.
JonRoss on April 27, 2008 at 7:46 AM
He can’t wear a flag pin . . . his wife hates this country; his pastor hates this country; most of his constituents hate this country; and, I believe he hates this country. A flag pin would only alienate and inflame his cult following.
rplat on April 27, 2008 at 7:54 AM
Wait! Obama has a third explanation for the missing flag pin:
“And the second thing, the way this has come up is the fact that I don’t always wear a flag pin. Now I don’t know if any of you who don’t have flag pins consider yourselves unpatriotic. I think you’re patriotic. The reason that I don’t always wear a flag pin is not that I disrespect the flag, it’s that when I started wearing a flag pin after 9/11, I gotta admit that sometimes I would misplace it and so I didn’t always put it on.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obama-on-those.html
NNtrancer on April 27, 2008 at 7:55 AM
Can we say “shuck and jive” ? Or would that be racist ? Don’t want to be racist this morning. “No No No”, to quote the most Rev Wright.
JonRoss on April 27, 2008 at 8:21 AM
He pontificated because some idiot who has nothing else to write about asked him.
Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 8:40 AM
Some points:
1. The wearing of an American Flag pin may be substituted for wearing a miniature ribbon of the highest medal for valor awarded to a military veteran. Quite a few Veterans wear them when in Business Attire (suits).
2. Everyone knows Barack Obama (and to a greater extent Hillary Clinton) are Socialists who believe that America is a failed experiment in Republican Democracy because we have not completed the conversion to Socialism. In their ‘Perfect World’ everyone would wear a Lapel Pin designated by the State (think of the North Korean’s ‘Great Leader’ of ‘Dear Leader’ pins)
SeniorD on April 27, 2008 at 8:42 AM
You wording sugests the pin is required, which it is not.
Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 8:45 AM
He implies that now it is optional but will be required when we evolve into the “Perfect World” of Clinton and Obama.
rplat on April 27, 2008 at 9:05 AM
Great game, “pick a card, any card.”
Rather than consult satellite imagery, Obama consults his Weathermen before selecting his daily wardrobe.
maverick muse on April 27, 2008 at 9:24 AM
Blindfold me (MSM) and spin (again courtesy of the MSM) me around. Let’s play pin the flag on the donkey.
Zorgon on April 27, 2008 at 9:26 AM
The rally at Sharpton’s office was followed by a 20-block march down Malcolm X Boulevard…
I am not a cursing man, but I almost cursed upon reading that…
Why do we have streets named after Malcom X?
And why do “Reverend”s choose to march down them?
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 11:18 PM
It’s high time Americans wake up to the fact that the MSM is 100% Liberal; they push a 100% Liberal agenda; they “mold” the news to hide the truth/facts while shaping public opinion towards socialism; they hold people such as Malcolm X high up on a pedestal; they get streets and parks named after terrorists and anti-American thugs… The MSM represents Liberal ideology and a desire/agenda to tear down American values and traditions one day at a time; one story at a time; week after week, month after month… Hear is a typical story reflecting the truth about the agenda behind those who make-up the MSM…
I THINK THIS WOULD BE A BIGGER STORY if he were a Republican:
Struggling to confront a worsening homicide rate, the mayor asked pastors and citizens Friday to don burlap sacks and ashes Friday in an Old Testament-style sign of biblical repentance.
Mayor Larry Langford said his “sackcloth and ashes” rally at Boutwell Auditorium was inspired by the Book of Jonah, where residents of the ancient city of Ninevah wore rough fabric and ashes as a sign of turning away from sin.
A pastor who helped organize the rally said Langford purchased 2,000 burlap bags that will be handed out at the event. . . . Since he took office last year, Langford has held three prayer rallies as a way of addressing crime and violence. Bibles were handed out at one of the events.
“This city needs to humble itself,” said Langford, a professing Christian.
Instead, his party isn’t mentioned. You have to go to Wikipedia to find out that he’s a Democrat.
At any rate, this is the worst sort of politico-religious pap. The problem isn’t that Birmingham isn’t humble enough. The problem is that it’s got thugs on the streets that it’s not controlling. That doesn’t call for self-abasement by the community, though the Mayor and the Chief of Police might consider dropping to their knees and begging forgiveness — from the community, not God — for failing to do their jobs.
UPDATE: Reader Jeff Schultz emails:
I am a pretty conservative, evangelical Christian (and a pastor). Thanks for your words on the “sackcloth and ashes” stunt by Birmingham’s mayor.
Repentance might be appropriate for a community-wide spiritual response to the community’s injustice and oppression, but not for a crime wave. The people who repent are supposed to abase themselves. Are the burlap sacks for the thugs? And who in our culture even understands the imagery of sackcloth and ashes? And even if there was wholesale revival in Birmingham, why is it the Mayor and not the religious leaders calling for this?
As you rightly point out, “…this is the worst sort of politico-religious pap. The problem isn’t that Birmingham isn’t humble enough. The problem is that it’s got thugs on the streets that it’s not controlling.”
As I said, I’m an evangelical Christian, and I find this embarrassing, stupid, and pointless.
No argument here.
ANOTHER UPDATE: Hmm. Seems like Langford has a lot more sin on his soul than just other people’s crimes:
Two private charities controlled by Larry Langford collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from businessmen and companies he approved for government work as Fairfield mayor and Jefferson County Commission president, records show. . . . Langford’s financial arrangements with bankers, lobbyists and others who received government business with his help have come under scrutiny from federal investigators. U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission lawyers began digging in 2004 into bond deals, many championed by Langford, that since have led the county to the brink of bankruptcy.
SEC investigators asked Langford last year about charitable contributions he solicited from county vendors, including those involved in the bond deals.
It’s like all this God stuff is just a smokescreen to cover up his own sins. Do you think it’s possible? (instapundit)
Keemo on April 27, 2008 at 9:26 AM
Wow folks; it sure looks like we all need to take a good hard look into the political going-ons in Illinois. Check out this story:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/917388,CST-NWS-rezko27.article
Iraqi power broker bailing out Rezko! Other foreign nationals bailing out Rezko! Rezko and Obama tied to each other financially, with Rezko helping to purchase Obama’s mansion for him! Obama and Rezko partying together…. Wow! No wonder this guy doesn’t want to participate in our pledge of allegiance or wear an American pin on his coat. His buddies and investors include a bunch of middle eastern power brokers.
Keemo on April 27, 2008 at 10:00 AM
So if a reporter asks a candidate a question he finds is stupid or bothersome, the candidate gets a pass on whatever he says, right?
Let me go out on a limb here and guess that this is sort of a Democrats-only rule, right?
drunyan8315 on April 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM
The fact that not putting on a symbol of our country that can represent anything you want it to be, speaks volumes of his mindset.
To the Lamb, it represents something narrow and detestable.
jjshaka on April 27, 2008 at 10:08 AM
I note that Junior’s first comments suggested that he stopped wearing his flag pin shortly after 9/11. Which of course means that he stopped wearing his flag pin shortly after Rev. Wright’s GD Amerika speech. Now I question the timing.
tmitsss on April 27, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Then why is this an issue?
Wade on April 27, 2008 at 10:12 AM
One of the recent tactics of Liberals is to equivocate Liberalism and Christianity.
For Liberals this is a two-bagger: they get to build themselves up to holier-than-thou status while at the same time tearing down and trivializing Christianity.
But the practice of Liberalism always leads to miserable results such as the 60 million deaths from preventable disease (DDT ban fiasco under “environment” banner), or the current huge increase in food costs and starvation in the third world caused by the Ethanol fiasco under “environment” banner.
“by their fruits ye shall know them…”
landlines on April 27, 2008 at 10:22 AM
No, it was a stupid question to ask.
ON top of that, his response was just fine, a reasonable point of view in many ways. The flag pin IS an empty symbol to most of those schmucks in congress on both sides of the aisle. Making it some sort of loyalty test is BS.
Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 10:22 AM
RIIIIIIIIIGHT
Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 10:23 AM
My mistake on the Pledge… a typo from writing late at night. I think the “bottom line” is exactly the opposite of what you said. In a political campaign, especially the presidential race, almost everything the candidate does “says” something. We aren’t talking about a “piece of metal” (nice dodge, though.) We’re talking about the American Flag. Pop on down to the next VFW meeting and ask them if they think a flag pin is just a “piece of metal,” interchangeable with a smiley-face pin or a bottle cap. It speaks volumes to the people who care about such things that a candidate for high office ostentatiously refuses to wear one, especially since the man is not an idiot and knows perfectly well what message he’s sending. After all, Obama must have noticed that the vast majority of his fellow Senators, of both parties, wear them constantly. Flag pins and other gestures of respect are not required, and I would oppose any effort to make them so, but they are expected. We aren’t going to ask Obama to wire himself to a polygraph and answer piercing questions about his patriotism, but the feelings lurking in his deepest heart are not as important as the way he expresses himself – and after a year of being told what a great communicator he is, you’ll have to forgive some of us for grading him on a steep curve. You may not care about the flag pin, and you may have lots of company. Those of us who do care about it will see you at the ballot box.
Doctor Zero on April 27, 2008 at 10:28 AM
I am a military member, Ill say it, it is a piece of metal, a swath of cloth. What gives it meaning are the actions and ideas behind it.
Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Exactly the point, these jackasses have made our flag into a honest to goodness political prop.
Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Ditto’s Squid…
Keemo on April 27, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I don’t care whether he wears a flag lapel pin or not. I don’t even own one. But his wearing one is not the issue. The issue is his reason for not wearing one. If he’d said “I lost it”, or “I was having trouble keeping track of it” or “It just really never occurred to me”, or “Sometimes I forget” that would be fine. Instead he offered up a holier/smarter-than-thou explanation that questioned the motivations of people who do wear flag lapel pins. Now we have people on this blog whining that we shouldn’t pick on people who don’t wear a flag lapel pin. Fine! But why should Obama get a pass for assuming nefarious motivations on the part of people who do?
You can’t have it both ways, kids.
jl on April 27, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Exit answer. I think Dean-0 is afraid of the negativity whirlwind for the Ds in general, and since the popular vote can be considered state by state, he could just be saying, “So Hillary won in ________, you do not have to pick her.”
2 words. Operation Chaos.
The pin is an irritant, where we are reminded that people obsess too much about peripheral ephemera. If Obama was so concerned about the reality of what he was elected to achieve, he wouldn’t have been “present” all the time.
3 words. He’s a poser.
redneck hippie on April 27, 2008 at 12:43 PM
to:
Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 10:30 PM
You have struck a chord. My Korean War vet Dad, who still believes he is a democrat, asked me whether that video was real (he’s about as far from a news junkie as you could ask for). He just couldn’t believe that ANYone would “refuse” to put his hand over his heart for the flag.
We haven’e discussed it, but I’m about 99% sure he will vote for John McCain.
As far as John McCain goes, he needs to do a re-education tour for people like my father and remind them that:
They are against abortion.
They love their country.
They believe in the right to keep and bear arms.
They believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
They do not want confiscatory taxes.
They do not want more government regulation.
That if the economy tanks for real, their retirement monies will disappear, and FAST.
The American health care system is keeping them alive because it is the best system in the world.
I know that some Americans will never stop clinging to their class warfare rhetoric, i.e., “the rich blah blah blah” and “the businesses blah blah blah”; but it is now the Republican party’s job to sell a positive message.
redneck hippie on April 27, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Yep. And someone saying that they won’t vote for someone because they don’t wear a flag pin has basically acknowledged that they’ve fallen for it.
ChenZhen on April 27, 2008 at 1:08 PM
This flag pin nonsense, when you can get good ones from eBay for less – some much less – than $10 is cartoonish at best. Very concerning at worst.
Frankly, there are other, more pressing issues and involvements we can be focusing on. Not the least of which being Hugh Hewitt’s discovery of more radical preaching from Rev. Wright and Pamela Geller’s new anti-Wright smash hit video. Of course, there’s also the jihad declared on America and the sagging economy and alternative energy needs…
HotAirJosef on April 27, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Squid Shark,
At the risk of being labeled a troll, please consider this carefully. If a person (male or female) had been awarded the Navy Cross or Silver Star, would wearing the miniature ribbon of those awards mean more than a simple flag? By rights, those medals are awarded to the following general classifications:
1. A member of the US Armed Forces from any war
2. A member of the US Armed Forces who fought in a known conflict and displayed heroism and valor
3. A patriot who put his or her life on the line for people like you and me.
Personally, if I see such a ribbon (as Bob Dole proudly wears), I wouldn’t think twice about his or her patriotism.
Deal with it.
SeniorD on April 27, 2008 at 2:12 PM
I think so too. They will just have to swallow yet another presidential
defeatblowout. It might be somewhat different if HIllary offered a strong alternative, but with her unfavorables fixed at ~55%, pushing Obama aside woud be an incredibly stupid thing to do. It would shake the jackass party to its core, and would result in massive dem losses at the Capitol.argos on April 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Why would I be labeled a troll, I think this is a ridiculous argument to even be having and your post about wearing the highest medal of valor is a straw man to the real argument. We all know that Obama was not in the Military. I know many people his age who were not in the military, it has always been an all volunteer force for his entire adult life.
Many of the Veteran Senators who served with distinction may have never served were it not required. His point about the flag pin is reasonable in the sense that people have turned into an empty political prop, a person is patriotic by their actions not whether they wear a pin. There are a few republicans who wear there pins but disgust me with their conduct. There are many more Dems who do the same.
Deal With it.
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Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 3:30 PM
BTW thanks for the smart a** lesson in military awards. I think I have it down, Ive been in long enough.
Squid Shark on April 27, 2008 at 3:32 PM
So what has Obama DONE that’s so patriotic? His record there doesn’t seem all that stellar, so I would think that he’d have the good sense to wear the pin and not draw attention to his lack of patriotic deeds.
venividivici on April 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM
I like that…’B.O.’…it’s got a ring to it, in a Beavis and Butthead kinda way…’eh heh, eh heh, uh, uh, uh, eh heh..dude, you said B.O…eh heh, eh heh…
AUINSC on April 28, 2008 at 12:45 AM
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