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Planned Parenthood protest in DC: Stop targeting African-Americans

posted at 11:15 am on April 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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On Wednesday, I asked whether the time had come for an investigation into the practices of Planned Parenthood. They have received millions of taxpayer dollars for their operations through federal grants while profiting off of abortion mills. In at least four incidents, they exploited racist sentiment to accrue private donations for the explicit purpose of aborting African-American babies. Yesterday, a group of pastors and activists primarily from the black community demanded an end to Planned Parenthood’s “genocide”:

The Planned Parenthood Federation of America has perpetuated a “genocide on the black community,” says a group of African-American pastors who claimed Thursday the birth control and abortion provider has had a racist agenda since its beginnings in 1921.

Holding a brief vigil and press conference in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Washington, D.C., the group of pastors and activists said they were incensed by the results of recent “undercover” inquiries into several Planned Parenthood clinics across the country.

“Every day … over 1,500 black babies are murdered inside the black woman’s womb,” said Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, of Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND). “This is a race issue.”

The pastors urged Congress to initiate an audit of the organization and have written letters demanding that money for Planned Parenthood be eliminated from federal Title X funding, of which the group got $65 million for fiscal year 2007, according to pro-life Concerned Women of America. In total, Planned Parenthood received $300 million in government contracts and grants in the current fiscal year.

The national office of Planned Parenthood provided FOX News with a lengthy statement on Thursday in which it said its role in the African-American community is widespread because the need is greater.

The need is greater? The need for what? They point to a study that shows almost half of all black teenage girls carry an STD, but that would indicate that PP hasn’t performed very effectively with the millions it gets already. PP has been targeting these communities for decades, and the problem to which it points highlights its failure — because everyone knows they’re not all that interested in STDs anyway.

People can buy condoms at Walgreens. They get abortions at Planned Parenthood.

Fox had a lengthy report on the protest:

Hot Air readers took some photos of the event, which you can see here:


Maybe the scope of the damage that abortion has wrought has finally come into focus.


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Let me reformat that last post:

Looks like there are pro-lifer Nazis who agree that anyone who is pro-choice is a sub-Human.”

Congratulations, you win the “first liberal to call someone a Nazi in this thread” award.

Of course, I’m primarily referring to late-term and partial-birth abortions, and the afore mentioned attempt by Obama to abandon botched-abortion survivors. Although most people who consider themselves “pro-choice” are too stupid to even be aware of these ghastly procedures.

Jungliszt on April 25, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Esthier on April 25, 2008 at 5:56 PM

And those studies don’t even take into account the common sense, just think about it type logic which would say that aggressive sex is more likely to result in pregnancy. Not an endorsement of rape, of course. Just a reality based on things that happen in the animal kingdom. And, not counting certain liberals I know, we haven’t devolved into plants yet.

But even then… have you ever watched what a bee does once it gets into a flower? Up close I mean… just sayin’….

TheCulturalist on April 25, 2008 at 6:20 PM

The fact that life is fragile doesn’t define what constitutes life.

Esthier on April 25, 2008 at 2:51 PM

It’s a partial quote of what you said, but it touched me enough to QFT.

When there is a disagreement as to when life begins, the advantage goes to life.

right2bright on April 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM

That, too.

RushBaby on April 25, 2008 at 6:22 PM

And technically, the chances of pregnancy happened due to rape is actually pretty low.

mjk on April 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM

When my daughter was a college freshman, she was returning to her dorm from the library at night. A man jumped out from some bushes and forced her into a car at knifepoint. He raped her and dumped her out on a county road. Part of the post rape treatment was prophylactic pregnancy prevention. She, her mother, and I, have never been sorry for doing it. She is now happily married with 3 well adjusted children. I doubt it would have turned out as well had she been forced to carry and give birth to her first child as a result. The emotional burden would have been obscene. I have no problem with people who oppose pregnancy prevention for rape victims in their own family, but I will fight to retain that right in my own family. The argument that few pregnancies occur is irrelevant, probably impossible to prove, and the consequences of forced pregnancy are profound.

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 6:32 PM

I’m all for debating when to disallow abortion, but abortion should be a procedure allowed by law. To try to prevent women from aborting pregnancies is basically fascist. The government scrutiny into women’s lives required in order to enforce a ban on any and all abortions sounds like the very definition of Big Government to me. As does a border fence, war on drugs, and many of the programs favored by the Cultural Conservatives.

Planned Parenthood is full of people with various goals. Personally I don’t think they should get federal funding. I also think abstinence programs and drug education shouldn’t get federal funding.

Viscount_Bolingbroke on April 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Here’s a chart with data from the U.S. Center of Disease Control that shows the disproportionate number of deaths in the black community are due to abortion (13 million since R v W) compared with AIDS, cancer, etc.

Amy Proctor on April 25, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Shocking. Literally, looking at that chart made me feel gut-kicked. I need to go check out the other links you provided in your comment.

RushBaby on April 25, 2008 at 6:43 PM

I’m all for debating when to disallow abortion, but abortion should be a procedure allowed by law. To try to prevent women from aborting pregnancies is basically fascist.

Viscount_Bolingbroke on April 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Quote from the website for a very good documentary on the history of socialism:

Because its goal proved so elusive, the socialist movement split and split again into diverse, sometimes murderously contradictory forms. There was Social Democracy, which insisted that only peaceful and democratic means could produce a harmonious commonwealth. There was Communism, which extolled the resolute use of force and dictatorship to propel mankind to a new way of life. There was Arab Socialism, African Socialism, and other Third World variants that sought to amalgamate western Social Democracy and eastern Communism. There was even fascism, which turned the socialist idea on its head by substituting the brotherhood of nation and race for the brotherhood of class. And there were those - from early American settlers, to the “flower children” of the 1960s, to Israeli Zionist kibbutzniks - who built their own socialist communities, hoping to transform the world by the force of example.

Here is the link for the website.

You may be interested in learning more about where the term Fascism comes from and how it was altered to further the cause of competing socialist ideologies.

TheCulturalist on April 25, 2008 at 6:53 PM

It’s the theme and tone of all your post in this comment thread. I apologize for not quoting and posting all of them rather than the most recent.

You’re certainly on a mission to define life as little as possible by setting the standards on the most highest rung possible.

geckomon on April 25, 2008 at 5:50 PM

I’d probably argue to protect life earlier than the majority of Americans, and at a point before it is today, though probably not as early as you. Certainly, I’m not arguing for the highest rung.

dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 7:11 PM

I’d probably argue to protect life earlier than the majority of Americans, and at a point before it is today, though probably not as early as you. Certainly, I’m not arguing for the highest rung.

dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 7:11 PM

That’s what I mean, you actually want to define too early. Abortion, whenever the “stage” is always too early.

Howz about instead of telling me what is your “too early,” you reveal your “too soon.”

geckomon on April 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Why would that be?

I think the primary point being made is that abortions performed due to a woman being raped are a tiny percentage of total abortions. However that tiny fraction seems to be one of the primary reasons used for legalizing all abortions. Using the exception to define the rule is a bad way of doing things.

And in opposition to another point that was made, extreme stress in many mammals results in loss/prevention of pregnancy or miscarriage.

taznar on April 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Big S, back in high school a girl got pregnant - the first ever in our school - so PP came in to talk to us about the “dangers” while also telling us about all the free benefits; the following year nine girls got pregnant.
….
Ciannaky on April 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM

An unintended consequence, I’m sure. But that’s why they say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

I think what happened in that case is that teen pregnancy became “thinkable.” This nice group came in and explained all about it and it didn’t sound like such a bad thing.

We tend to assume more information will help us make better choices. Sometimes, it just helps us rationalize the bad choices with “I’ll be careful.”

theregoestheneighborhood on April 25, 2008 at 9:05 PM

. I guess I was just beginning to realize that the liberal view forsakes the complexities of life. I think liberals tend to reverse engineer arguments: I decide what I want and then I’ll create justifacations and rationalizations to get what they want.

snaggletoothie on April 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM

That is indeed the core of liberalism. When you start by ruling out the answer you don’t want, it’s much easier to rationalize the answer you want.

theregoestheneighborhood on April 25, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Wow, never saw this one coming.

What will the black community awaken to next? The soft bigotry of low expectations of public schooling, and that school choice is the next civil rights cause?

Why do they vote en masse for the Democrats, who only hold them back?

John the Libertarian on April 25, 2008 at 9:21 PM

I understand the logic. I just don’t agree. No woman should be forced to bear a child due to rape.

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 3:00 PM

True. But the unborn baby didn’t rape his mother. So killing the baby in the womb is destroying an innocent life.

The argument against a rape victim having to bear a child is very empathetic for the victim, and deservedly so, but very cold-blooded to the baby who’s killed.

I’m afraid life being fair went out the window when the rapist attacked. We say that actions have consequences, and they do. Unfortunately, bad actions have bad consequences for other people, too.

Fortunately, for all the talk about abortion in the case of rape or incest, such cases are exceedingly rare.

theregoestheneighborhood on April 25, 2008 at 9:38 PM

And technically, the chances of pregnancy happened due to rape is actually pretty low.

mjk on April 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM

When my daughter was a college freshman, she was returning to her dorm from the library at night. A man jumped out from some bushes and forced her into a car at knifepoint. He raped her and dumped her out on a county road. Part of the post rape treatment was prophylactic pregnancy prevention. She, her mother, and I, have never been sorry for doing it. She is now happily married with 3 well adjusted children. I doubt it would have turned out as well had she been forced to carry and give birth to her first child as a result. The emotional burden would have been obscene. I have no problem with people who oppose pregnancy prevention for rape victims in their own family, but I will fight to retain that right in my own family. The argument that few pregnancies occur is irrelevant, probably impossible to prove, and the consequences of forced pregnancy are profound.

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 6:32 PM

People tend to bring up cases of rape or incest to defend keeping abortion legal. (Not you personally, since the issue came very close to home for you.) The problem there is that you’re allowing millions to die each year just to ensure the very few who are actual rape victims can do the same.

It makes a lot more sense to simply write an exception into the law for such cases, rare as they are. Yes, we know that many of those talking about rape and incest are just making a rhetorical point. And I’m quite sure if the law makes an exception for cases of rape or incest, there will be a lot who claim rape when they want an abortion. In spite of that, outlawing abortion but allowing an exception in cases of rape or incest would save millions of lives each year. And the fact that these cases are rare cuts both ways: the exceptions would rarely need to be used.

But we’re nowhere near having such laws at this point.

theregoestheneighborhood on April 25, 2008 at 9:58 PM

That’s what I mean, you actually want to define too early. Abortion, whenever the “stage” is always too early.

Howz about instead of telling me what is your “too early,” you reveal your “too soon.”

geckomon on April 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM

If you’re saying that even a moment after conception is too soon, you’d have a reasoned position, but not one that would be close to passing in congress (assuming Roe was overturned).

dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 4:55 PM

A Darwinist would claim you could begat it all the way back to a squirrel, and beyond. But that’s a different thread :-)

dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 5:24 PM

There is plenty of evidence from outside the Bible (Jewish and Roman historians) that Jesus was a real man and historical figure. And so was Joseph, the earthly man who raised Jesus. Hebrew historians kept very good records. If we keep walking up Jesus’ “family tree”, we go real person by real person until we get to Noah. The Noah of the Biblical Genesis flood was a real person. Keep walking up the family tree from Noah to Lamech to Methuselah to Enoch to Jared to Mahalalel to Cainan to Enosh to Seth to Adam to God. Adam was a real person, and he was created by God. Go ahead, dedalus, search all you want for a flaw in that written history. You won’t. The Biblical Genesis account is real. And with Darwinian Evolution, just like with Anthropogenic Global Warming, it is a lie to say that there is “scientific consensus” and “the debate is over”. To the contrary, the real debate is just beginning.

Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 10:31 PM

I’m all for debating when to disallow abortion, but abortion should be a procedure allowed by law. To try to prevent women from aborting pregnancies is basically fascist. The government scrutiny into women’s lives required in order to enforce a ban on any and all abortions sounds like the very definition of Big Government to me. As does a border fence, war on drugs, and many of the programs favored by the Cultural Conservatives.

Planned Parenthood is full of people with various goals. Personally I don’t think they should get federal funding. I also think abstinence programs and drug education shouldn’t get federal funding.

Viscount_Bolingbroke on April 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Jeepers: I don’t even know where to begin with you. . .

#1: Abortion kills

#2: Abstinence education does not kill, and may actually prevent the “need” for the Left to engage in its one, true sacrament: Abortion

#3: Drug education does not kill, and may actually prevent some kids, whose parents didn’t provide the superb example to them of frying their own brains when you, from “experimenting” in drugs

#4: You disfavor a border fence because the government shouldn’t be spending money that way? WHAT??? Are you kidding?

All in all, I’d rather see federal money - if the government is going to engage in the largely unconstitutional practice of funding anything and everything - go to activities that help, rather than harm, or kill.

I suppose - rather than drug education - you would prefer the government spend your money providing sex “education” to 8-year-olds! Bravo to the left.

There are relatively few on the Right who would not permit as exceptions to anti-abortion statutes: Where the LIFE of the mother (not the BS “health of the mother” exception) was at stake, or in cases of rape, or of incest with a minor. Any debate about these exceptions usually comes about from the normal dishonesty of the Left.

Finally, Planned Parenthood made a profit (read: excess $$$ after expenses) of something in the realm of $100 million. tax money should not go to an profiteering enterprise built upon abortion on demand.

(One more inflammatory remark: Once a woman becomes pregnant, her body is NOT entirely her own until the baby is born . . . Lets chew on that for a while. . .)

seanrobins on April 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Think about this…

Where did your DNA come from? Your parents.
Where did their DNA come from? Your grandparents.
Where did their DNA come from? Your great-grandparents.
Where did their DNA come from? Your great-great-grandparents.

…etc…etc…etc…

Until you get back to Adam and Eve. Where did they get their DNA come from? God himself.

People get excited when they find out that they are a descendant of someone rich, powerful, and famous.

Well, you are a direct descendant of God himself!

Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM

There is plenty of evidence from outside the Bible (Jewish and Roman historians) that Jesus was a real man and historical figure. And so was Joseph, the earthly man who raised Jesus. Hebrew historians kept very good records. If we keep walking up Jesus’ “family tree”, we go real person by real person until we get to Noah. The Noah of the Biblical Genesis flood was a real person. Keep walking up the family tree from Noah to Lamech to Methuselah to Enoch to Jared to Mahalalel to Cainan to Enosh to Seth to Adam to God. Adam was a real person, and he was created by God. Go ahead, dedalus, search all you want for a flaw in that written history. You won’t. The Biblical Genesis account is real. And with Darwinian Evolution, just like with Anthropogenic Global Warming, it is a lie to say that there is “scientific consensus” and “the debate is over”. To the contrary, the real debate is just beginning.

Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 10:31 PM

I think Jesus was a historical figure. I seldom think a debate is over, though I’m not familiar enough with global warming to have an opinion beyond watching commodity prices rise and wondering if there are any good solar stocks to own.

dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Until you get back to Adam and Eve. Where did they get their DNA come from? God himself.
Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Did he give them DNA or souls? If he gave them DNA, why not mention it in Genesis rather than waiting for Watson & Crick?

dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 10:49 PM

And in opposition to another point that was made, extreme stress in many mammals results in loss/prevention of pregnancy or miscarriage.

taznar on April 25, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Which of course is meaningless in making the decision whether to use pregnancy prophylaxis in a post rape victim.

And the fact that these cases are rare cuts both ways: the exceptions would rarely need to be used.

But we’re nowhere near having such laws at this point.

theregoestheneighborhood on April 25, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Perhaps I am not making myself clear. These are not rare cases. In my state the option is offered to all rape victims immediately after the crime. Making that option illegal is, I believe, the goal of many. South Dakota recently tried to pass a bill making abortion illegal with absolutely no exceptions. That approach is exactly why many of us don’t trust the agenda.

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 11:19 PM

The ONLY acceptable reason to have an abortion is to save the life of the mother(ie. ectopic pregnancy). If it’s done for any other reason it’s murder. You can always put the baby up for adoption.

Don Carne on April 25, 2008 at 11:30 PM

What’s up with Ed today? How come he pretends to be a nutcase today? What kind of moron would put up that photo and then expect to be taken seriously bitching about Clinton’s lies?

It seems to me from my experience . . . in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors, they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table. . . . They do not do this with the white people, and if we can train the Negro doctor at the clinic, he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results. . . . His work, in my opinion, should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County’s white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us. The minister’s work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs (1939).

Let me wildly guess. Ed will not even apologize.

freevillage on April 25, 2008 at 11:31 PM

What’s up with Ed today? How come he pretends to be a nutcase today? Who would put up that photo and then expect to be taken seriously complaining about Clinton’s lies?

It seems to me from my experience . . . in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors, they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table. . . . They do not do this with the white people, and if we can train the Negro doctor at the clinic, he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results. . . . His work, in my opinion, should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County’s white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us. The minister’s work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs (1939).

Let me wildly guess. Ed will not even apologize.

freevillage on April 25, 2008 at 11:32 PM

“Maybe the scope of the damage that abortion has wrought has finally come into focus.”

Maybe………….. but go to the problems and it’s cause.

Liberalism…….

Seven Percent Solution on April 25, 2008 at 11:32 PM

I’m all for debating when to disallow abortion, but abortion should be a procedure allowed by law. To try to prevent women from aborting pregnancies is basically fascist. The government scrutiny into women’s lives required in order to enforce a ban on any and all abortions sounds like the very definition of Big Government to me. As does a border fence, war on drugs, and many of the programs favored by the Cultural Conservatives.

Planned Parenthood is full of people with various goals. Personally I don’t think they should get federal funding. I also think abstinence programs and drug education shouldn’t get federal funding.

Viscount_Bolingbroke on April 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Protecting our borders is one of the few things that our government does that is constitutional.

Johan Klaus on April 26, 2008 at 2:07 AM

Until you get back to Adam and Eve. Where did they get their DNA come from? God himself.
Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Did he give them DNA or souls? If he gave them DNA, why not mention it in Genesis rather than waiting for Watson & Crick?

dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 10:49 PM

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings.

Proverbs 25:2 (New International Version)

The Bible is not anti-science. To the contrary, the God of the Bible tells us that scientific inquiry is a royal pursuit.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 3:04 AM

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Don Carne on April 25, 2008 at 11:30 PM

I realize this an “Ultra-Right” position, but I believe that abortion is never acceptable.

Here are the three biggest exceptions that are usually raised in favor of abortion:
1) Protect the “health” of the mother. That is a loophole big enough to fly a 747 through…some doctors say that an abortion is necessary to protect the “mental health” of the mother, when the reality is that abortion causes mental health issues for many women. Some women even commit suicide as the result of having an abortion. Read the truth about The Abortion/Suicide Connection. Also, it’s not just mothers who commit suicide after an abortion.

2) Save the life of the mother. There is no guarantee that the mother would die as the result of the pregnancy. In fact, there is a case I remember reading about where the mother had a tumor and the doctors recommended that she have an abortion so that they could operate on the tumor. She refused to have an abortion, and miraculously, the baby kicked on the tumor until the tumor was expelled from her body. The baby actually helped save the mother’s life. I don’t think the certain and intentional ending of one life (abortion) is justified in the name of possibly saving the mother’s life from an uncertain death.

3) Rape/Incest. The conceived child is innocent of any crime. It is wrong to sentence an innocent victim to death for the crime of someone else. Murdering the child actually does more harm to the mother (see the Abortion/Suicide connection again). Carrying the child to full term and giving it up for adoption is a beautiful, therapeutic thing for the mother.

I encourage you to read some of the success stories of Mercy Ministries. Not all are pregnancy stories, but all of them are beautiful stories of real people with real problems who found hope and healing in Jesus Christ.

Do you want evidence that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
What is the evidence of things not seen?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1 (New King James Version)

What changed the lives of these young women? Faith in Jesus Christ. That faith produced real, tangible results, and is the evidence that Jesus Christ is real.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 4:06 AM

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Don Carne on April 25, 2008 at 11:30 PM

I realize this an “Ultra-Right” position, but I believe that abortion is never acceptable.

Here are the three biggest exceptions that are usually raised in favor of abortion:
1) Protect the “health” of the mother. That is a loophole big enough to fly a 747 through…some doctors say that an abortion is necessary to protect the “mental health” of the mother, when the reality is that abortion causes mental health issues for many women. Some women even commit suicide as the result of having an abortion. Read the truth about The Abortion/Suicide Connection. Also, it’s not just mothers who commit suicide after an abortion.

2) Save the life of the mother. There is no guarantee that the mother would die as the result of the pregnancy. In fact, there is a case I remember reading about where the mother had a tumor and the doctors recommended that she have an abortion so that they could operate on the tumor. She refused to have an abortion, and miraculously, the baby kicked on the tumor until the tumor was expelled from her body. The baby actually helped save the mother’s life. I don’t think the certain and intentional ending of one life (abortion) is justified in the name of possibly saving the mother’s life from an uncertain death.

3) R*pe/Inc*st. The conceived child is innocent of any crime. It is wrong to sentence an innocent victim to death for the crime of someone else. Murdering the child actually does more harm to the mother (see the Abortion/Suicide connection again). Carrying the child to full term and giving it up for adoption is a beautiful, ther*peutic thing for the mother.

I encourage you to read some of the success stories of Mercy Ministries here. Not all are pregnancy stories, but all of them are beautiful stories of real people with real problems who found hope and healing in Jesus Christ.

Do you want evidence that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? What is the evidence of things not seen?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1 (New King James Version)

What changed the lives of these young women? Faith in Jesus Christ. That faith produced real, tangible results, and is the evidence that Jesus Christ is real.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 4:08 AM

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Don Carne on April 25, 2008 at 11:30 PM

I realize this an “Ultra-Right” position, but I believe that abortion is never acceptable or justifiable.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 4:13 AM

Here are the three biggest exceptions that are usually raised in favor of abortion:
1) Protect the “health” of the mother. That is a loophole big enough to fly a 747 through…some doctors say that an abortion is necessary to protect the “mental health” of the mother, when the reality is that abortion causes mental health issues for many women. Some women even commit suicide as the result of having an abortion. Read the truth about The Abortion/Suicide Connection. Also, it’s not just mothers who commit suicide after an abortion.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 4:13 AM

2) Save the life of the mother. There is no guarantee that the mother would die as the result of the pregnancy. In fact, there is a case I remember reading about where the mother had a tumor and the doctors recommended that she have an abortion so that they could operate on the tumor. She refused to have an abortion, and miraculously, the baby kicked on the tumor until the tumor was expelled from her body. The baby actually helped save the mother’s life. I don’t think the certain and intentional ending of one life (abortion) is justified in the name of possibly saving the mother’s life from an uncertain death.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 4:13 AM

3) Rape/Incest. The conceived child is innocent of any crime. It is wrong to sentence an innocent victim to death for the crime of someone else. Murdering the child actually does more harm to the mother (see the Abortion/Suicide connection again). Carrying the child to full term and giving it up for adoption is a beautiful, therapeutic thing for the mother.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 4:14 AM

I encourage you to read some of the success stories of Mercy Ministries here. Not all are pregnancy stories, but all of them are beautiful stories of real people with real problems who found hope and healing in Jesus Christ.

Do you want evidence that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? What is the evidence of things not seen?

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1 (New King James Version)

What changed the lives of these young women? Faith in Jesus Christ. That faith produced real, tangible results, and is the evidence that Jesus Christ is real.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 4:15 AM

A Darwinist would claim you could begat it all the way back to a squirrel, and beyond. But that’s a different thread :-)

dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 5:24 PM

I challenge you to show me a single example of one species begetting another species that is able to reproduce.

Everything in creation yields seed according to its kind. Apple trees yield apples containing apple seeds which yield more apple trees…
Humans yield sperm and egg cells, which when joined together yield more humans.

A species never yields seed of a different species.

Genetic mutations are overwhelmingly detrimental.

I’d like to see an analysis of the DNA of the two simplest animal life forms known to man, and compare how many positive mutations would have to happen for the simplest life form to “evolve” into the next higher life form.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 5:53 AM

Unfortunately, bad actions have bad consequences for other people, too.

theregoestheneighborhood on April 25, 2008 at 9:38 PM

And it’s the job of the government to enforce those “bad consequences” upon the innocent women.

Nonfactor on April 26, 2008 at 8:31 AM

Let’s pray this is the beginning of the end for Planned Parenthood. I am usually willing to accept that most social programs, even the harmful or completely ineffective ones, are at least brought about by good intentions. Planned Parenthood is a different matter. It exists on the concept of murder, specifically targeting and exploiting the African American community. God bless this couragous group of leaders for what they are doing. They seem organized and determined, and I don’t believe this will end well for PP.

greekinfidel on April 26, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Jungliszt, a conservative first called a liberal a Nazi on this thread…..

What constitutes a “person” is a social definition, not a medical one.
dedalus on April 25, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Indeed, and I seem to recall that Jews were denied this social definition under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

jim m on April 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings.

Proverbs 25:2 (New International Version)

The Bible is not anti-science. To the contrary, the God of the Bible tells us that scientific inquiry is a royal pursuit.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 3:04 AM

It sounds like we agree that scientific inquiry is ennobling.

dedalus on April 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM

I guess now would be a good time to remind everyone that Hillary Clinton is a proud recipient of the Margaret Sanger award.

DngrMse on April 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

People tend to bring up cases of rape or incest to defend keeping abortion legal. (Not you personally, since the issue came very close to home for you.) The problem there is that you’re allowing millions to die each year just to ensure the very few who are actual rape victims can do the same [...]

theregoestheneighborhood on April 25, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Though these references do not take into account the emotional scarring involved. For some women it simply adds trauma to trauma. I don’t mean that to be a sweeping assumption; I can’t speak to that, but it a certain reality for many that an abortion post-rape conception is an addition trauma and for some a source of self-created guilt. Painful to see, frankly.

Spirit of 1776 on April 26, 2008 at 5:24 PM

I guess now would be a good time to remind everyone that Hillary Clinton is a proud recipient of the Margaret Sanger award.

DngrMse on April 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

I didn’t know that.
Thank you for sharing that.
What evil lurks in the heart of someone who thinks it is perfectly OK to kill a full-term baby?
(Hillary voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban)

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 6:42 PM

It sounds like we agree that scientific inquiry is ennobling.

dedalus on April 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM

It’s good that we agree on something. What’s sad is that the people in charge of today’s scientific community are spreading lies and ruining the careers of those who dare to speak the truth.

Top Five LIES Being Spread By Today’s Scientific Community:

5) Intelligent Design (ID) is just a deceptive name for Creationism.
[It's not; all Creationists support ID, but not all supporters of ID are Creationists]

4) Creationism is not scientific
[It is - Mitochondrial Eve is just one example]

3) Anthropogenic Global Warming is scientific.
[It's not - it's taken by faith]

2) Darwinian Evolution from no life to all current species is scientific.
[It's not - it's taken by faith]

1) Belief in God is Delusional.
[Richard Dawkins wrote The God Delusion and brags on his website about "deconversions", but there is more scientific evidence to support the Bible than there is to support his beliefs.]

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 7:20 PM

People who support free and open debate of Intelligent Design vs. Darwinian Evolution are not Anti-Science.

However, the people in power over today’s Scientific community are Anti- free and open debate of Intelligent Design vs. Darwinian Evolution.

Red Pill on April 26, 2008 at 7:24 PM

However, the people in power over today’s Scientific community are Anti- free and open debate of Intelligent Design vs. Darwinian Evolution.

It’s worse than that. They are also anti-free and open debate of Earth is a planet in the Solar system vs Earth rests on three elephants who in turn stand on a giant turtle.

freevillage on April 27, 2008 at 8:58 AM

1) It’s about doggone time someone started picketing Planned Parenthood. They’re pirates, they’re vicious profiteers, and they’re racists.

2) The solution to the VD epidemic is not, and never has been, condoms. The most common venereal diseases in the modern climate, genital herpes and HPV, are both viral, and are not significantly affected by condom use. The solution to the epidemic of venereal diseases is to stick to one partner for life. I’m not kidding, and I’m not touting religion; I’m talking about the only solution that could possibly work.

3) That also happens to be the solution to out-of-wedlock pregnancies, which liberal abortion laws and sex education courses have not prevented. Quite the contrary — liberal abortion laws and official sanction for teen sex, along with entertainment media consistently touting sexual “liberation,” have produced a climate in which incidental pregnancies will be common (regardless of birth control method, more sexual encounters = more pregnancy; it’s a mathematical fact). This produces great profit for PP; and since young women frequently decide to have their babies once they’re (predictably but, to them, unexpectedly) pregnant, it also produces a great deal of single motherhood, which in turn results in poverty and hardship.

So, by all means, yes, put Planned Parenthood out of business. They deserve it. But the epidemics of teen pregnancy, single motherhood, and venereal diseases will continue until we acknowledge that the sexual revolution has been a consistent disaster, and we start teaching our kids to keep their pants zipped until they’re ready to make a permanent commitment.

I repeat — this is, scientifically and mathematically, the only solution that has a prayer of working.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, “Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture,” at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

philwynk on April 27, 2008 at 6:20 PM

I repeat — this is, scientifically and mathematically, the only solution that has a prayer of working.

Wow.

freevillage on April 27, 2008 at 7:33 PM

freevillage on April 27, 2008 at 8:58 AM

Comrade, we are on to you…
http://freevillage.ru/

Red Pill on April 27, 2008 at 9:01 PM

…And we enjoy our freedoms very much, thank you.

Red Pill on April 27, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Comrade freevillage, this link is especially for you.

Red Pill on April 27, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Looks like it’s time for a revolution.

revolution on April 27, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Comrade freevillage, this link is especially for you.

Wow, thanks! Is there anything there about how one should not lie and grossly misrepresent other people’s quotes the way Ed did with the front picture? Or is lying about kafirs a virtue?

freevillage on April 28, 2008 at 11:02 AM

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