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McCain Conference Call

posted at 10:35 am on April 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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John McCain held another blogger conference call, and started off talking about his effort to reach out to “areas that haven’t been able to participate” in economic expansion. The biggest lesson to be learned from the War on Poverty is that local control and local government is the key to success. Big federal bureaucracies just get in the way. He visited the Katrina-hit areas and toured the devastated areas, and later spoke about improving the response to future disasters.

On the economy, McCain says to anyone who wants to pay higher taxes: “I’m not your guy.” Spending is the problem, not revenue, including a 940% increase in earmarks over the last 12 years. He wants to keep capital-gains tax rates low in order to maintain and increase the revenue from them. “Anyone who wants to raise taxes in tough economic times lacks a fundamental understanding of economics.”

McCain also believes that a gas-tax holiday will benefit the working class, but he says it doesn’t solve the fundamental problems of oil imbalance

Questions:

  • What obligation does Obama have to discuss his associations with former radicals, and what responsibility does the press have? — He’s surprised that there hasn’t been more focus on Obama’s comparison between William Ayers and Tom Coburn. Obama owes the American people an apology for both. Maybe he can make a case for Ayers, but the Weathermen were terrorists, and the media should discuss it.
  • The North Carolina ad — why pull it? — It’s not the tenor of the conversation McCain wants to wage. It’s open for discussion, but he doesn’t want to make it part of the campaigning at any level. In his view, the ad isn’t appropriate for the GOP, in a similar manner as Bill Cunningham’s remarks earlier in the campaign.
  • Can you win in California? — He intends to compete in California; as a Western Senator, he understands the issues facing Californians, and Schwarzenegger’s success there shows it can be done.
  • What is his analysis of the Basra operations? — It’s a “pleasant turn of events”. We’ve been pressing Maliki for action, and he persevered through some setbacks to success. Basra now is under Maliki’s control, and it has united the central government. Sadr is marginalized. “Overall, I’m rather pleased.”
  • Should voters take Obama’s relationship with Wright into account? — He doesn’t want to tell voters how to make their decision, but he’s concerned about the tenor of the Republican campaign. He can’t order them to take the ad down, but as the nominee, he can make public his concerns.
  • Hamas would be pleased with an Obama presidency Has he distanced himself from Carter, Hamas? — A lot of bad actors on the international stage seem to be rooting for Obama, including Daniel Ortega and others. Sitting down without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad while Iran increases its support for Shi’ite militias shows how feckless Obama’s foreign policy is.
  • Obama withdrew from a debate in North Carolina. Would he be willing to have a “conversation” with Hillary instead? McCain says it’s inappropriate until the Dems have a nominee.

McCain’s next stop will be in Arkansas, where he will make appearances with Mike Huckabee. Afterwards, he goes to Florida for some fundraising, and next week, he’ll start talking about health care and get back on the bus with the media.


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McCain’s next stop will be in Arkansas, where he will make appearances with Mike Huckabee.

*shudder*

Afterwards, he goes to Florida for some fundraising, and next week, he’ll start talking about health care and get back on the bus with the media.

What is it about “health care” and “bus” that brings back some awful memories…

JetBoy on April 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Ask him why he hates conservatives.

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Hillary is looking better and better, at least she has cojones.

Onager on April 25, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Someone please ask him how he plans on winning while pissing off conservatives, activists, the base, etc. Does he get that liberal republicans don’t get the vote out and moderates don’t pound the pavement. He’s military. He should understand that he needs boots on the ground if he plans to win.

D0WNT0WN on April 25, 2008 at 10:43 AM

but he says it doesn’t solve the fundamental problems of oil imbalance

Such as building more refineries, mandating one national standard for gasoline, and increasing domestic drilling and production would at least help (issues I wish he’d get asked about)

brak on April 25, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Ask him why he hates conservatives.

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 10:42 AM

sigh…

Ask why some conservatives hate McCain.

JetBoy on April 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM

With the Democrat race in complete disarray, why is he still losing?

WisCon on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Nothing about Hernandez?

James on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM

The best campaign strategy would be to sit back and let the Democrats eat each other. He just needs to keep his mouth shut.

TooTall on April 25, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Nobody to vote for this year, just vote against. *sigh*

Just A Grunt on April 25, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Ask him why he hates conservatives.

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 10:42 AM
sigh…

Ask why some conservatives hate McCain.

JetBoy on April 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Ask him why he will defend Dems, but not the GOP

ConservativePartyNow on April 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Ask him why he wants to reach out to Dems, but not conservatives in his own party?

ConservativePartyNow on April 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Ask him why he will defend Dems, but not the GOP
ConservativePartyNow on April 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Defend the Democrats? Yeah, that happens a little too often around here for my tastes.

wise_man on April 25, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Why does the porridge bird lay it’s eggs in the air?

ronsfi on April 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Nothing about Hernandez?

James on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Good statement…
All of a sudden immigration is not an issue…MSM, DNC, RNC here no evil, speak no evil, see no evil…
How about nailing him on Hernandez next time.

right2bright on April 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM

sigh…

Ask why some conservatives hate McCain.

JetBoy on April 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM

why would ANY conservative like Juan McCain???

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Ask him why he will defend Dems, but not the GOP

Didn’t he just defend Tom Coburn? Does that not count?

juliesa on April 25, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Why does the porridge bird lay it’s eggs in the air?

ronsfi on April 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM

A great old Firesign Theatre reference like that is a good point to make, now that McCain feels that the central members of his own party are “out of touch with reality” to point out glaring flaws in the character of their dangerous MSM-pushed underinvestigated opponent.

Or is it simply a case of “I Think We’re All Bozos On This [Straight-Talk] Bus”?

TexasJew on April 25, 2008 at 11:10 AM

JetBoy on April 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM

I loved him in the 80’s before he went insane.

He is downright malicious towards the Constitution and conservatism.

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 11:10 AM

How about nailing him on Hernandez next time.

right2bright on April 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM

That’s my main issue with McCain as well. Maybe he thinks we’ll forget.
Not going to happen.

Geronimo on April 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM

With the Democrat race in complete disarray, why is he still losing?

WisCon on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Wow was there an election I didn’t know about?

It is amazing to me that he isn’t behind by 10 or 20 points at this time.
Wait until Nov.
Obama cannot win

ArmyAunt on April 25, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Geronimo on April 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM

I’ll bet all the bloggers on this conference call are completely sold out to McCain so don’t ever expect any substantive questions. Was MM invited to the call?

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 11:18 AM

can’t bring up Hernandez because then he doesn’t have the judgement issue to use on Obama…..

“Judge me by the company I keep”…John McCain

ctmom on April 25, 2008 at 11:21 AM

why would ANY conservative like Juan McCain???

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 11:07 AM

The stupid bastard’s job here is simple – win in November.

He needs to shut up, suck it up and be a Republican.

We’re not buying his flip-flopping bs, we don’t like him and are truly embarrassed by the sight of a Republican nominee eagerly taking public money for his campaign.
That pathetic begging for taxpayer support is due to a weak candidate like McCain insanely alienating his own party members.

He will win, thanks to the chaos in the Democrat party, if he doesn’t screw it all up, which, unfortunately, I believe he will.. he is truly that stupid.

TexasJew on April 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM

He seems to be shying away from questions regarding Obama’s character and judgment. Bad move, imo. He’s been in the Senate too long,…thinks they all are fraternity brothers. There is always a tinge of elitism among senators, isn’t there?

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Defend the Democrats? Yeah, that happens a little too often around here for my tastes.

wise_man on April 25, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Go ahead, have your fun. Just you wait for the stunning Allahpundit general election endorsement of Obama.

Jaibones on April 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Ask why some conservatives hate McCain.

JetBoy on April 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM

…are you really asking that? How many times do we have to answer that question? No cookie for you.

HYTEAndy on April 25, 2008 at 11:29 AM

If McCain is actually stupid enough to campaign in California, I won’t be that disappointed when the Messiah is crowned.

corona on April 25, 2008 at 11:29 AM

With the Democrat race in complete disarray, why is he still losing?

WisCon on April 25, 2008 at 10:46 AM

According to whom?

Jaibones on April 25, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Was MM invited to the call?

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Burn.

HYTEAndy on April 25, 2008 at 11:31 AM

He wouldn’t have to take public financing if GOP supporters were really enthused. I suspect they’ll also have some problems getting enough ground pounders for the general. That will hurt him in the general. He’s very fortunate to be running against donk losers.

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 11:31 AM

I’d rather be stabbed in the front than in the back any day.

HYTEAndy on April 25, 2008 at 11:31 AM

He will win, thanks to the chaos in the Democrat party, if he doesn’t screw it all up, which, unfortunately, I believe he will.. he is truly that stupid.

I was going to vote third party, but if Hillary wins, I’ll vote for her, at least she’s tough.

I would NEVER EVER vote for juan mccain.

as long as the republican party follows his course, I will not support them in any way.

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM

I wrote a supportive email to the North Carolina GOP this morning. For McCain to say the NCGOP are out of touch just shows you how disconnected from real conservatives he is. It’s comments like these from him that push me away. I realize he is not leading a conservative movement, but dang, don’t throw us under the bus.

Another elite politician from DC ready to ignore the base (just like Bush).

kerrhome on April 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM

I’ll bet all the bloggers on this conference call are completely sold out to McCain so don’t ever expect any substantive questions.

Yep. Lovefest. Gross.

Was MM invited to the call?

Be serious.

Brian Paasch on April 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM

McCain only needs to speak softly (or in this case, not at all) and carry himself with dignity.

Just let the Democratic self-eviscerating festival proceed without any distractions.

profitsbeard on April 25, 2008 at 11:41 AM

ArmyAunt on April 25, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Oh really? That’s funny, because last year they said McCain was done for, and that Hillary was going to be given the Democrat nomination.

WisCon on April 25, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Jaibones on April 25, 2008 at 11:30 AM

I was going by this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

WisCon on April 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Don’t touch that dwarf, hand me the pliers! Ooops, I’m off to the World of Tommorrow….. Clem!

Sorry, I spent my misguided teen years listening to Firesign Theater and Tom Lehrer.

MNDavenotPC on April 25, 2008 at 11:48 AM

I am also losing interest in McCain. If the republican party wants to marginalize its conservative base then they need to get the message loud and clear. I will not support or vote for McCain and the consequences of the White House being taken over by the liberals is the RNC fault, not mine. I am beginning to think Hillery would make a better POTUS then McCain and would love to watch her get even with all her defectors during her 4 years in the White House. I believe it is time for the conservatives to draw a line in the sand. I will not compromise my core beliefs to appease the wussification of the Republican Party. No money, no support!

trs on April 25, 2008 at 11:51 AM

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 11:18 AM

I was on the call and am no McCain cheerleader. NRO’s Jim Geraghty was too, a call-it-like-he-sees-it conservative reporter.

seanhackbarth on April 25, 2008 at 11:51 AM

The real question is, why would any real conservative want to remain in a party with jackass “conservatives” who cannot seem to fathom the difference between a patriot, a man who has served his country and the socialist scum being run by the Democrats.

Good job “conservatives”, giving us a Democrat Congress. Now maybe you “conservatives” can elect Obama.

I dare you – jump parties. Start your own worthless, marginalized third party, dedicated to the construction of the all hallowed, $1 trillion, 700 foot wall on the Mexican border, complete with the machine gun nests. Good luck getting more than 3% of the vote for your new and irrelevant Third World Party.

Maybe Obama will build your precious little wall for you. The 2,000 mile wall will be the shining symbol of our nation.

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Good job “conservatives”, giving us a Democrat Congress. Now maybe you “conservatives” can elect Obama.

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 12:00 PM

You can thank George W. Bush and the spend-happy, corrupt Republican legislators who aren’t in D.C. anymore for that you twit.

WisCon on April 25, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Really? For months before the 2006 election, I read posts from people to similar to those on this board, vowing to “stay home”. And they did.

Which got us the Democrat Congress.

Now the same people say they’re going to stay home in 2008.

Great plan. Losing elections to far left socialists always is.

Maybe you can clue me in when you finally find a candidate worth supporting, so I can then stay home. Since it will be a landslide, why bother showing up to the polls?

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Why do you think those people stayed home?

And I never said I wasn’t going to vote for McCain, and I haven’t heard anyone say he was going to lose in a landslide, so what the hell are you talking about?

WisCon on April 25, 2008 at 12:16 PM

“Overall, I’m rather pleased.”

Surprisingly so. I had my doubts about Maliki but he’s come on and done pretty fair recently.

McCain is actually making some moves to the right.
I might not have to drink the whole pint of Crown Royal to vote for him but that could change after the May 1st la gran marches.

Speakup on April 25, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Hmmmmm….

Looks like “F**k it. McCain ‘08″ isn’t working too well.

Kowboy on April 25, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Way off Topic:

Happy Birthday to HOT AIR! (I may be a day or so off).

Congratulations to all.

Zorro on April 25, 2008 at 12:26 PM

I decided this morning that I just cannot vote for McCain, ever.

He has an arrogance, ego and presumption of his own honor and moral superiority over others — especially those in his own party — that I find absolutely insufferable and almost unquestionably neurotic. All I can say to him is “good luck,” and if the rest of America can vote for such an egotistical, vindictive, nasty man then bully for him, and them.

I live in Delaware, where voting Republican on the down ticket will make absolutely no difference this year.

BigD on April 25, 2008 at 12:35 PM

why would ANY conservative like Juan McCain???

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 11:07 AM

because he is not obama or hillary of course….yet another election where we need to vote for the lesser of the evils.

SoCalInfidel on April 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM

Really? For months before the 2006 election, I read posts from people to similar to those on this board, vowing to “stay home”. And they did.

Which got us the Democrat Congress.

Now the same people say they’re going to stay home in 2008.

Great plan. Losing elections to far left socialists always is.

Maybe you can clue me in when you finally find a candidate worth supporting, so I can then stay home. Since it will be a landslide, why bother showing up to the polls?

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM

That is exactly right nodonkey….

SoCalInfidel on April 25, 2008 at 12:48 PM

Good job “conservatives”, giving us a Democrat Congress. Now maybe you “conservatives” can elect Obama.

I’m not going to vote for liberal or moderate republicans ever again. I am SO tired of being told it will somehow advance conservativism to vote for these clowns. all it has done is grow the governemnt. There is really no difference between a democratic congress and a republican one. until there is one, there is not much reason to vote republican.

whats the difference between Hillary, Barack and Juan? not much. oh Juan SAYS he’s now for tax cuts, but he’s for closing club gitmo, amnesty for illegals, against so-called ‘torture’.

ain’t a dimes worth of difference between these clowns, and to think otherwise is delusional.

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 12:57 PM

McCain is no conservative. He’s not even a Republican. He’s building his own party on the back of conservatives and Republicans whom he takes for granted. The only reason why he has the support he does is because his competition is so obviously radical and disgusting.

Oh wait, McCain’s told me not to say something like that.

McCain is great. Obama’s great. Hillary is great. I’m so happy I get to vote. This is a really important election. I’m so happy I have a government to take care of me!

spmat on April 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM

because he is not obama or hillary of course….yet another election where we need to vote for the lesser of the evils.

the differences are so slight as to be unrecognizable. supposedly he is different on the Iraq war, but since he has consistently caved in to liberal ideas, what makes you think he’ll stand firm on this? I do not trust McCain, and he has done nothing to give me any reasons to do so.

At least I know Hillary or Obama will stab me in the front, not the back

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM

On Iraq McCain hasn’t wavered one bit. He supported it from the beginning and wants to win it. On that issue he has a stellar track record.

seanhackbarth on April 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM

What choices-a non-Conservative Republican vs two Socialists. My conscience may force me to write in Romney.
I’m listening to Rush right now, and he’s playing “straight talk audio clips” from McCain; the presumptive Republican nominee sounds more like a Dem than Hillary.

Doug on April 25, 2008 at 1:16 PM

“Anyone who wants to raise taxes in tough economic times lacks a fundamental understanding of economics.”

Anyone who thinks that tax policy, and we are under the Bush tax cuts right now, which McCain opposed anyway I seem to recall, is what is the prime mover behind the decline and fall of the American dollar and the mortgage “meltdown” and $115 a barrel oil and rising inflation, etc., lacks a fundamental understanding of economics

MB4 on April 25, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Ask him why he hates conservatives.

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 10:42 AM

For the same reason that Sir Edmund Hillary, you know that guy that Hillary Rodham was named after, climbed mountains, because they’re there.

MB4 on April 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Ask him why he hates conservatives.

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 10:42 AM

sigh…

Ask why some conservatives hate McCain.

JetBoy on April 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Because he is a prick.

MB4 on April 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM

On Iraq McCain hasn’t wavered one bit. He supported it from the beginning and wants to win it. On that issue he has a stellar track record.

seanhackbarth on April 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM

I don’t trust McCain to stay on that issue. He’s never stood with the Conservatives for long before.

Snake307 on April 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM

I’m tired of purer-than-thou crybabies. McCain’s the guy.

mymanpotsandpans on April 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Was MM invited to the call?

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 11:18 AM

I doubt that Juan’s Praetorian Guard would let MM get within lettuce trowing distance of him.

MB4 on April 25, 2008 at 1:26 PM

“He has an arrogance, ego and presumption of his own honor and moral superiority over others — especially those in his own party — that I find absolutely insufferable and almost unquestionably neurotic.”

Pot, meet kettle. You have just described every self-righteous “base conservative” here. Now, for you juveniles who call yourselves the “base,” here’s a couple of clues.

It’s either a big tent party or it’s not. In a big tent party, there is no base. You’re not special. The world doesn’t revolve around you. If we have a base, we consign ourselves to defeat.

You’re not entitled to a kissy-kissy. You’re not entitled to a damned thing. You’re still mad because McCain isn’t giving you a big smooch on the butt. Guess what? He never will, because he’s a man, not a wussy like you. And good for him.

Fence? No thanks. Maybe it’s my age, but that’s just a little East Berlin for me. It’s never going to happen, anyway, no matter how much you stomp your feet and threaten to hold your breaths. Deal with it and move on. Border security? Great. Fence? Ain’t gonna happen.

rightwingprof on April 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM

I’m tired of purer-than-thou crybabies. McCain’s the guy.

mymanpotsandpans on April 25, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Sure, McCain is the Republican Candidate. Which is why I’ve always identified myself as a Conservative, and not a Republican. It’s also why I’m donating to and supporting Hillary. I’d rather have an enemy I can fight against, then a friend I can’t trust.

Snake307 on April 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM

How can the obsessive fencers call anyone less than conservative?

Is there anything less conservative than a 2,000 mile fence across the Mexican border?

Hugely expensive, big government intrusion, requiring the confiscation of private property – check.

Ineffective from day one – check.

Nothing remotely close to what the founders intended for our country – check.

Three strikes and the border fence is a left wing, socialist scheme, backed by so-called “conservatives”.

I like Rush in general, but he is dead wrong about McCain. He’s letting his ego get in the way. And he’s showing that he has no real grasp of what American conservatism is, which he displays with his Hollywood, liberal lifestyle.

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Talking tough to right side bloggers doesn’t prove much. When McVain repeats these same remarks on MTP or Chris Matthews’s Spitball, that’s when I’ll take notice.

james23 on April 25, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Pot, meet kettle. You have just described every self-righteous “base conservative” here. Now, for you juveniles who call yourselves the “base,” here’s a couple of clues.

well you ‘adults’ don’t need my vote then!!!

You’re not entitled to a kissy-kissy. You’re not entitled to a damned thing.

and you ‘adults’ aren’t entitled to MY VOTE!!!

McCain isn’t giving you a big smooch on the butt. Guess what? He never will, because he’s a man, not a wussy like you

he saves that for Kennedy, like you ‘adults’ no doubt.

Border security? Great. Fence? Ain’t gonna happen.

us ‘juvenile’ real conservatives voting for Juan?

Ain’t gonna happen

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Three strikes and the border fence is a left wing, socialist scheme, backed by so-called “conservatives”.

so letting felons roam the streets, killing more innocent people, and letting more illegals into our country, killing more innocent people, is ‘conservative’

I like Rush in general, but he is dead wrong about McCain. He’s letting his ego get in the way. And he’s showing that he has no real grasp of what American conservatism is,

yeah but you open border, soft on criminals are ‘conservative’

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 1:41 PM

rightwingprof on April 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Fine, it’s a big tent, and I choose not to participate with some of those under that tent. Further, I refuse to accept a ton of lies just so a party that doesn’t represent my ideals wins.

Again, if I’m going to be electing a candidate who has a Democratic Party agenda, why not elect the real thing, instead of the pale imitation?

So go on, and take this candidate of yours, and run like hell for the White House. Now, when McCain loses, and it’s entirely probable that he will, you’ll rage and blame people like me. People who refused to support a candidate they didn’t like. Tell me, why my conscience is a bad thing, but McCain’s conscience is a good thing? Why are my values which guide my life worthy of scorn, while his and yours are apparently laudable?

You’ve got your candidate, and good luck. I’ve picked the more conservative Candidate I think I can trust slightly more than the Maverick. I’d much rather see Hillary in the White House than McCain.

Snake307 on April 25, 2008 at 1:43 PM

“If we have a base, we consign ourselves to defeat.”

Exactly – that’s what the Democrats have, a lunatic base which forces impossibly stupid positions onto Democrat politicians.

But unlike the Democrats with their media monopoly, Republicans can’t win running on silly schemes (e.g. border fences).

It’s the Democrat Party where everyone is forced to think the same, we’re supposed to be different, remember?

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Republicans can’t win running on silly schemes (e.g. border fences).

so enforcing our laws, and securing our border are ’silly’, but letting in MS-13, the Mexian Mafia, etc. to run our streets is ‘responsible’

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Enforcing laws against employers and cutting off social services to illegals is conservative. Erecting 2,000 miles fences would be both ineffective and ridiculously expensive, not to mention easily solved.

I’m not open border, just a realist and a real conservative who understands we cannot fence off our borders and our coasts, nor should we want to.

The fence is a big government solution worthy of the Democrat Party. Simply madness. You may like the idea, but it’s not in the least bit conservative.

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM

What happens if McCain wins?

What happens to all those “I’ll hold my breath and turn bluuuue if you don’t build a 900-foot wall at the messican booorder and won’t voooote for juanmcshamnestyhitlerburtoncokespoon” if McCain manages to win without y’all?

If your strategy is the ultimate triumph of political conservatism, how would you manage that from the Hades of political irrelevance into which you’d be cast by a McCain win?

Sekhmet on April 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Ask him if he supports open discussion and debate of Intelligent Design vs. Darwinian Evolution.

Or, is he another of the “Agents of Intolerance” that Ben Stein exposed in his movie Expelled?

Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM

The fence won’t contribute big dollars to election campaigns. Employers of cheap labor do. They like private profits and public responsibility for the costs of making those profits. All the money floating around in our political system ensures employers won’t get tagged. I agree it would resolve the issue to a large part, but politicians won’t let it happen. They need those donations to stay in power and they like the new voting bloc.

a capella on April 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Erecting 2,000 miles fences would be both ineffective and ridiculously expensive, not to mention easily solved.

its worked VERY well for Israel. Its worked VERY well in San Diego.

Those advocating expanded fencing already have a model they can look to: a fence the federal government built more than a decade ago along a 14-mile-stretch in San Diego, Calif., that borders Tijuana, Mexico.

Before the fence was built, all that separated that stretch of Mexico from California was a single strand of cable that demarcated the international border.

Back then, Border Patrol agent Jim Henry says he was overwhelmed by the stream of immigrants who crossed into the United States illegally just in that sector.

“It was an area that was out of control,” Henry says. “There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year.”

Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol’s San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double — and in some places, triple — fencing.

The first fence, 10 feet high, is made of welded metal panels. The second fence, 15 feet high, consists of steel mesh, and the top is angled inward to make it harder to climb over. Finally, in high-traffic areas, there’s also a smaller chain-link fence. In between the two main fences is 150 feet of “no man’s land,” an area that the Border Patrol sweeps with flood lights and trucks, and soon, surveillance cameras.

“Here in San Diego, we have proven that the border infrastructure system does indeed work,” Henry says. “It is highly effective.”

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM

If we have a base, we consign ourselves to defeat.

rightwingprof on April 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM

I think you may be on to something or maybe I should just say on something.

Sigy on April 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM

He wants to be President, and as President it is likely that he would have to make one or more nominations to the Supreme Court. Ask him how much he knows about the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America?

Ask him if America was founded as a Christian nation.

Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM

If your strategy is the ultimate triumph of political conservatism, how would you manage that from the Hades of political irrelevance into which you’d be cast by a McCain win?

we vote for real conservatives. if Juan wins, so what? same as Hillary or Obama winning.

hate to tell you but conservatism is not going to triumph politically. the US is far too gone down the socialist road, we’ll have to follow this road to our ultimate collapse for conservatism to win in a meaningful way.

its a sign of the times…

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Ask him specific questions to find out if he supports or opposes this agenda.

Red Pill on April 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Fence? No thanks. Maybe it’s my age, but that’s just a little East Berlin for me. It’s never going to happen, anyway, no matter how much you stomp your feet and threaten to hold your breaths. Deal with it and move on. Border security? Great. Fence? Ain’t gonna happen.

rightwingprof on April 25, 2008 at 1:30 PM

I’m with you and Juan, Amigo. No fence as it would be just like those nasty East Germans trying to keep those envious West Germans out.

VinyFoxy on April 25, 2008 at 2:07 PM

“we vote for real conservatives. if Juan wins, so what? same as Hillary or Obama winning.”

Oh please, I usually count on Democrats to insult my intelligence, not so-called “conservatives”.

I’m in the military, please tell me that Clinton or Obama will take care of the troops and allow us to finish our mission.

Clinton and Obama despise the military. McCain is one of us.

Does McCain have a socialized medicine scheme, that will bring the Democrat’s success in providing public “education”, to health care?

You don’t have facts or logic on your side to make the case for voting for Democrats, so it makes sense to just go with your feelings, because that’s what Democrats do.

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 2:10 PM

we vote for real conservatives. if Juan wins, so what? same as Hillary or Obama winning.

hate to tell you but conservatism is not going to triumph politically. the US is far too gone down the socialist road, we’ll have to follow this road to our ultimate collapse for conservatism to win in a meaningful way.

its a sign of the times…

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 2:05 PM

So, in other words just like the Far Left, you are hoping to triumph from the ashes of a United States that doesn’t do everything the way you want?

Good luck with that.

Sekhmet on April 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM

How can the obsessive fencers call anyone less than conservative?

Nothing remotely close to what the founders intended for our country – check.

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Yes our founding fathers never foresaw American politicians selling out their fellow citizens to plantation owner campaign contributers – check.

MB4 on April 25, 2008 at 2:12 PM

So there is no Reagan base in the Republican party now? I concede that if you are willing to concede every election from 2006 on out.

You McCainites belong to the DNC base. You should have switched parties with him.

Good luck, losers.

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 2:14 PM

“They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality,” said Senator McCain of the North Carolina GOP.

I’m sorry, folks, that is not the sign of a stable man.

BigD on April 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Clinton and Obama despise the military. McCain is one of us.

you think he’s going to stand firm when his media friends turn up the heat? odds are you’ll be disapointed.

Does McCain have a socialized medicine scheme, that will bring the Democrat’s success in providing public “education”, to health care?

if not, I’m sure he will have one. He’ll go along with whatever the democrats in congress send him.

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Yes, that’s exactly how Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and Lincoln would have responded to illegal immigration, by erecting a 2,000 mile fence.

I think that’s why the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, to put up a white picket fence in freedom.

The founding fathers had more domestic issues than we ever dreamed of and they never came up with anything remotely resembling a fence. Give them some credit.

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM

So, in other words just like the Far Left, you are hoping to triumph from the ashes of a United States that doesn’t do everything the way you want?

no, just being realistic. even with ‘conservative’ presidents like Reagan, the government continued to grow. There has been no substantial rollback in government power or influence since the repeal of prohibition.

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Yes, that’s exactly how Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and Lincoln would have responded to illegal immigration, by erecting a 2,000 mile fence.

they usually did what worked. and fences have been PROVEN to work.

right4life on April 25, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Valiant, Reagan’s not Reagan enough for your “Reagan base.”

The Dems’ big flaw all these years has been failing to see that the 60’s and 70’s were over and moving on to current solutions to current problems using current information, informed by what was learned in the 60s and 70s. If we trap ourselves in the 1980s in the same way, our fate will be the same, if delayed.

Sekhmet on April 25, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Are all you McCainites for open borders? I smell a trend. 80% of Americans disagree with you.

Valiant on April 25, 2008 at 2:18 PM

For months before the 2006 election, I read posts from people to similar to those on this board, vowing to “stay home”. And they did.

Which got us the Democrat Congress.
NoDonkey

I’ll write in Bullwinkle for the rest of my life if I never get a better choice than McCain. And if the country gets enough Democrat congresses the tide will turn. My cat knows you can’t leave your border open and allow anybody who wants to to walk around your house. If McCain can’t figure that out Bullwinkle still looks better.

snaggletoothie on April 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Reporter: Senator McCain, is it true that if you become President you will put a real fence along the border with Mexico rather than just some phony so called “virtual fence”? And a follow up question sir, if so what will the physical fence look like?
John McCain: That is a very good question and yes when I become el Presidente I will put up a physical fence. What will it look like? Well it will run the full length of the border and have special security gates every 100 feet.
All the security gates will have on them:
1) Press one for Spanish (with a response of “Welcome Amigo, my country is your country and please take a free map to the wonderful plantation owner employer of your choice. Also please feel free to enroll you children in our schools and demand that they be taught in Spanish and that the Mexican flag be flown at the front of the school and please also feel free to avail yourself of all the free medical care that you want.”).
2) Press two for English (with a response of “#uck you and go to Infierno you damned bigoted nativist lazy madre fornicario gringo who does not want what is right for me and America del Norte!!!”).

MB4 on April 25, 2008 at 2:21 PM

MB4 on April 25, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Are you for higher taxes, MB4? If so, which ones?

Entelechy on April 25, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Fences work in Israel because the objectives of suicide bombers are different from those of the Rio Grande Swim Team. There are places to stay overnight in the US before sneaking back over. After something goes boom in Israel, the IDF is going to want to account for every mouse fart in the area, and confederates of the suicide bomber (the people who pick targets, hold the backup remote, distract the IDF when the bomber crosses, etc) face arrest themselves.

Sekhmet on April 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM

“you think he’s going to stand firm when his media friends turn up the heat?”

He stood by us for eight years now, he’s not going to change now. The media would have LOVED him to bail out on us and he never did.

Of course, he had to do real work and not sit in a studio, shooting his mouth off for three hours a day.

I trust him more than I trust so-called “conservatives”, who are obsessed with this idiotic border fence at the expense of electing a President who will gutlessly surrender in Iraq.

NoDonkey on April 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM

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