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Proclamation Against Syria and Israel

The burden against Damascus.
“ Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city,
And it will be a ruinous heap.

Isaiah 17:1

If anyone you love lives in Damascus, I’d warn them to leave that city.

and why were our planes in No-Fly zones anyways?

RMC1618 on April 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Uh, the “no-fly-zones” were established to deter Saddam’s military, not ours.

so Iraq and Afganistan hijacked four commercial airlines and crashed them into WTC 1&2, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania? i thought it was rouge Islamic terrorists? that’s what the official story is right?

RMC1618 on April 25, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Me thinks you aren’t quite getting it, the Taliban (the ruling entity of Afghanistan at the time) is an ally of AQ and the Taliban allowed AQ to setup camps, train, plan, and execute its jihad (in particular 9-11) from Afghanistan with the blessings of the Taliban, therefore the Taliban (the ruling entity in Afghanistan) was complicit.

In addition the US gave the ruling Taliban an ultimatum, turn in Osama and AQ or we will attack you, the currently recognized government entity in Afghanistan that is supporting AQ. Perhaps the Taliban shouldn’t have called out bluff, but they did and they got their arses kicked.

Now what remains to be done is trying to lead a country (that has known nothing but war for several decades) down the path of freedom and democracy, something that takes a lot of time and effort to achieve especially for a country with Afghanistan’s history.

He then proceded to do what with this information?

RMC1618 on April 25, 2008 at 12:03 PM

He did just whatCarter did, absolutely nothing! That’s the problem, when you don’t stand up to a tyrant or stand up to evil it only makes the evil stronger and because of the pacifistic ideology of Carter and Clinton we are now having to deal with Iran and its mad Mullahs and the Mad Mullahs are on the brink of having a nuclear weapon! If that fact doesn’t frighten you and that fact is not enough for you to consider the option of attacking Iran or Syria before they hitus with a nuke then you are not facing reality.

the same “slam Dunk Intelligence” that sold us on the WMD?

RMC1618 on April 25, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Personally, I’d rather my government attack first and be proved wrong about Iran developing nukes instead of being proven right when the the Mad Mullahs hit us first and one of our cities is destroyed under a mushroom cloud!

dvldog1142 on April 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM

good points, and i concede my using of the Special forces. but i stand by my using of Delta, and other teams that we’re not supposed to know about. but i still ask myself the question: is our role in Afganistan (however subsidised by the UN[useless nations] may be) worth our continued American blood and treasure.

Nor do SAM-sites locking radars on American planes in No-Fly zones?

Virus-X on April 25, 2008 at 3:14 PM

and why were our planes in No-Fly zones anyways?

I guess planes crashing into buildings don’t count as shots in your universe, huh, genius? Nor do SAM-sites locking radars on American planes in No-Fly zones?

Virus-X on April 25, 2008 at 3:14 PM

so Iraq and Afganistan hijacked four commercial airlines and crashed them into WTC 1&2, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania? i thought it was rouge Islamic terrorists? that’s what the official story is right?

“why does it take a more than a decade to retaliate against Iraq for firing on our aircraft?”

- because we didn’t want to rush into war? ;-)

Which they wouldn’t have had yet right after 9/11.

there were no shots fired between the US and Iraq, or Afganistan, and look whee we are.

RMC1618 on April 25, 2008 at 10:25 AM

I guess planes crashing into buildings don’t count as shots in your universe, huh, genius? Nor do SAM-sites locking radars on American planes in No-Fly zones?

The big problem is that we as a western culture do not understand how they even think. Things that are “common sense” and reasonable to us have a completely different connotation over there.
don’t care. and that’s just my opinion.

Even Sun Tzu demonstrated the importance of knowing as much as you can about your enemy. If you can learn to understand how your enemy thinks, you can put yourself in his place and then try to predict his actions. Ignorance is not bliss, it is deadly.

2. The common folk over ther are more than willing to sell our small forces down the river to the Taliban/AQ because they know the baddies are there in force and will enforce their edicts with lethal effeciency.

if the common folk over there have found out our special and Delta forces, then something is already wrong.

The purpose of SF units is to train indigenous personnel (common folk) to fight the enemy. This was the mission conceived by JFK to allow multiplication of forces. You have to coordinate with the people to achieve this mission, which necessitates contact with them. If they see the Taliban/AQ as the more steady (albeit dangerous and controlling) influence in the region, they will continue to sell us out. I am not saying send in a million troops for 1000 years, but they need to have confidence in us to help.

The only way to make this work is to convince them that we are there in force and will do more than pass through, burn their crop, and move along. They know that the Taliban/AQ can backfill any area we pass through, unless we have enough forces there to keep them from coming out of the mountains and taking over en masse.

So then it dosen’t end, we come in, and just occupie until local forces are willing and able to take the mission. which leads to the other questions: how long would it take for the local forces to be willing and able enough to take the mission? and, is the end result justified by the loss of American blood and treasure?

Once again, not an occupation until they can build up forces, but a mission that allows for the people to have a stake in our success. If our success means to them that they have no livelihood (opium growing for now), then they have no incentive to help. As I heard in another article today “you can’t eat or drink freedom.” So we need to either find a way for their present crop to be utilized better, or help them transition to a new crop. They need to want us to succeed. I know this sounds a bit pie in the sky, but we need long term thinking to solve this.

Hmmm … not cluefull enough to be a Paul’tard or a Bircher.

Lunatic, or a troll I guess.

Either way, not worth bothering with any further.

Kristopher on April 25, 2008 at 2:04 PM

oh no, you’re not getting away that easy. i will not stand to be called an anti-semite, or tolerate your godamn condescension. i was fine defending my stances, but when i was attacked personally, it pissed me off. and when a bunch of faceless posters ganged-up on me, it was revealing. i’ve been coming to Hot Air for more than a year, and though the character assassination of people who disagree wasn’t new, i never realized the frustration and anger that comes with being the subject of one of these “bull-pins”.

the gang mentality is powerful, you Kristopher, could not resist.

I will stand behind the rest of my statement.

Lunatic, or a troll I guess.

Either way, not worth bothering with any further.

i don’t know what a Bircher is, or what “the LP” is
You don’t appear to know about many things pertinent to the topic(s) at hand–not even the ones you bring up yourself.

baldilocks on April 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM

so Baldi wants some too.

i don’t know what a Bircher is, or what “the LP” is

You don’t appear to know about many things pertinent to the topic(s) at hand–not even the ones you bring up yourself.

does anyone else here think that we could have done a more efficient job of hunting Al Q. with special forces, Delta forces and other tactical teams instead of a massive ground invasion? “Here we are Osama!, we’re coming, just hold on over there”
The big problem is that we as a western culture do not understand how they even think. Things that are “common sense” and reasonable to us have a completely different connotation over there.

That being said I don’t think small special forces actions would work over there. As we have seen in the past:

1. They think bombs and cruise missiles from afar are cowardly and such tactics are dishonorable and deserve derision.

2. The common folk over ther are more than willing to sell our small forces down the river to the Taliban/AQ because they know the baddies are there in force and will enforce their edicts with lethal effeciency.

The only way to make this work is to convince them that we are there in force and will do more than pass through, burn their crop, and move along. They know that the Taliban/AQ can backfill any area we pass through, unless we have enough forces there to keep them from coming out of the mountains and taking over en masse.

What we should be doing is to give them a legal method for selling their crop (opium, which could be used to make medicinal morphine the wrold over), instead of burning their fields and saying “sucks to be you.”

Once they have a method of making some money and actually have something worth saving/fighting for, I believe they will come around. Long story short, you cannot do that kind of stuff with small units of SF

dvldog1142 on April 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM

alright dvldog1142, i accept your counter argument, so i offer my response:

The big problem is that we as a western culture do not understand how they even think. Things that are “common sense” and reasonable to us have a completely different connotation over there.

don’t care. and that’s just my opinion.

1. They think bombs and cruise missiles from afar are cowardly and such tactics are dishonorable and deserve derision.

at the same time, it’s not our fault their culture hasn’t evolved to the 21st century. and i think attacks on civilians are cowardly, dishonorable, and deserve derision. that dosen’t seem to stop them.

2. The common folk over ther are more than willing to sell our small forces down the river to the Taliban/AQ because they know the baddies are there in force and will enforce their edicts with lethal effeciency.

if the common folk over there have found out our special and Delta forces, then something is already wrong.

The only way to make this work is to convince them that we are there in force and will do more than pass through, burn their crop, and move along. They know that the Taliban/AQ can backfill any area we pass through, unless we have enough forces there to keep them from coming out of the mountains and taking over en masse.

So then it dosen’t end, we come in, and just occupie until local forces are willing and able to take the mission. which leads to the other questions: how long would it take for the local forces to be willing and able enough to take the mission? and, is the end result justified by the loss of American blood and treasure?

and on those two questions, reasonable people can disagree.

I’d guess, from the USS Liberty rant, that RMC is a standard Bircher anti-semitic isolationist ( the type that gravitates towards the LP because they don’t have the sense to kick them out ).

He’s kinda lost at sea since Paul has pretty much given it up.

Will we get a Troofer rant next?

Kristopher on April 25, 2008 at 12:22 PM

anti-semitic? alright @sshole, now you’ve slanderd me, and i’m not going to take your shiz. for whatever reason you think the testimony of the USS liberty crew members are “my opinion” or “made up” that’s fine, i don’t care. you can call me a “troofer (whatever that is) a moron, a clown, a cretin, it’s ok i’m tough enought to shrug it off. but the minute you start throwing around names like “anti-semitc” or “racist”, or “bigoted”(i know you didn’t call me those other names , i’m usnig them as synonomous references) that’s when i get pissed off.

i don’t know what a Bircher is, or what “the LP” is, and i don’t care. and since the past year, i’ve never been more land-locked and sober.

So, since i don’t know you, i’m not going to call you any of those mean names, like the one you “guessed” i might be. i know you feel comfortable here on Hot Air when you have everybody else here ganging up on me, regardless of the many times i’ve kept within the “accepted views and opinions”. and the second i dissent, they turn on me like a pack of starved cannibals.

and i’ve seen it before, one person posts a statement that many of the others disagree with, and instead of offering intelligent, persuasive counter arguments, they just call them names and dismiss them. and i’ll concede this that that is not a common occurance, but i’ve seen it before, and now it’s my turn.

So Kristopher, be carefull, don’t let them smell blood, or they’ll be on you like Jeramia Wright on a Spike Lee movie. if you have an opinion that you know might get you ganged-up on, hide it, keep it secret.

Follow the herd mentality Kristopher, it’s so much easier that way.

does anyone else here think that we could have done a more efficient job of hunting Al Q. with special forces, Delta forces and other tactical teams instead of a massive ground invasion? “Here we are Osama!, we’re coming, just hold on over there”

The big problem is that we as a western culture do not understand how they even think. Things that are “common sense” and reasonable to us have a completely different connotation over there.

That being said I don’t think small special forces actions would work over there. As we have seen in the past:

1. They think bombs and cruise missiles from afar are cowardly and such tactics are dishonorable and deserve derision.

2. The common folk over ther are more than willing to sell our small forces down the river to the Taliban/AQ because they know the baddies are there in force and will enforce their edicts with lethal effeciency.

The only way to make this work is to convince them that we are there in force and will do more than pass through, burn their crop, and move along. They know that the Taliban/AQ can backfill any area we pass through, unless we have enough forces there to keep them from coming out of the mountains and taking over en masse.

What we should be doing is to give them a legal method for selling their crop (opium, which could be used to make medicinal morphine the wrold over), instead of burning their fields and saying “sucks to be you.”

Once they have a method of making some money and actually have something worth saving/fighting for, I believe they will come around. Long story short, you cannot do that kind of stuff with small units of SF

He’s kinda lost at sea since Paul has pretty much given it up.

Will we get a Troofer rant next?

NNtrancer on April 25, 2008 at 12:04 PM

It will take billions and billons of dollars and millions of man hours to get that question answered. Not that it should, just that it will. We have to let the international community do what it does best, nothing.

RMC,
“why does it take a more than a decade to retaliate against Iraq for firing on our aircraft?”

That is a valid question; just don’t start the discussion off with a lie about “no shots fired.”

exhelodrvr on April 25, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Worth repeating, care to retract some of your statements RMC?

right2bright on April 25, 2008 at 12:02 PM

NO, because it’s not the war “against” Afganistan, it’s not the war “with” Afganistan, it’s the war “in” Afganistan. does anyone else here think that we could have done a more efficient job of hunting Al Q. with special forces, Delta forces and other tactical teams instead of a massive ground invasion? “Here we are Osama!, we’re coming, just hold on over there”

You seem to forget that in 1998, the Clinton Justice Department, in their indictment of bin Laden, specifically stated that he and Iraq were working together.

Del Dolemonte on April 25, 2008 at 11:59 AM

He then proceded to do what with this information?