Pelosi clings to — and misquotes — her Bible
posted at 11:15 am on April 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Maybe Democrats can’t understand the call to faith many Americans feel because they’ve been reading the wrong Bible. Via the boss, CNS News provides evidence for this conclusion with Nancy Pelosi’s Earth Day speech on Tuesday. Apparently hoping to reach out to the bitter gun-hugging xenophobes of middle America, Pelosi adopted the Sunday Schoolmarm pose and told us that God wanted us to worship Gaia:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is fond of quoting a particular passage of Scripture. The quote, however, does not appear in the Bible and is “fictional,” according to biblical scholars.
In her April 22 Earth Day news release, Pelosi said, “The Bible tells us in the Old Testament, ‘To minister to the needs of God’s creation is an act of worship. To ignore those needs is to dishonor the God who made us.’ On this Earth Day, and every day, let us pledge to our children, and our children’s children, that they will have clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, and the opportunity to experience the wonders of nature.”
Cybercast News Service repeatedly queried the speaker’s office for two days to determine where the alleged Bible quote is found. Thus far, no one has responded. …
Claude Mariottini, a professor of Old Testament at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary, told Cybercast News Service the passage not only doesn’t exist - it’s “fictional.”
“It is not in the Bible,” Mariottini said. “There is nothing that even approximates that.”
I wrote about Barack Obama’s impulse to do some text-searching of Scripture ex post facto to cover for his Crackerquiddick comments. As I wrote then, people with religious faith are used to people throwing Bible quotes out of context at them to challenge their faith and their values. It’s the hallmark of someone who treats Biblical faith with contempt. But at least they usually get the quotes correct, even if out of context.
Let’s see if we can get something close to what Pelosi said from Bible Gateway, a fairly encyclopedic search engine that covers several different editions of the Bible. “Minister to the needs of God’s creation” comes up with no hits. “Environment” comes up with no hits. “Dishonor” comes back with 29 hits in the NIV (only 10 in KJV), none of which have to do with stewardship over God’s creation. Even “Steward” comes back with only 10 hits, none on point.
We do, however, find this in Genesis 1:28:
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
No one argues that mankind has stewardship of God’s creation, with the exception of the enlightened atheists that somehow insist on telling us what our own Bible says. However, the essentially illiteracy of our betters in San Francisco — the same crowd who laughed in approval to Barack Obama’s description of middle America as bitter xenophobes who cling to our Bibles because the GDP didn’t expand last quarter — perfectly exemplifies the contempt in which they hold our faith and the condescension they exude when trying to talk down to us.
I’d say that Pelosi may really be clinging to the Bible out of desperation, but desperation borne out of her own political ineptness. Maybe while she’s clinging to it, she could open it up and actually read it.
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What’s the surprise here? Nancy hasn’t been right yet.
TooTall on April 24, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Pelosi is a complete idiot. She claims to be a Catholic, even while she breezily dismisses the bulk of the teaching of the Catholic Church and continually chortles that the Catholic Church should get with the times and sanction abortion, birth control, gay marriages, etc.
There’s a name for Christians who disagree with the teachings of the Catholic Church - they’re called “Protestants”. Which is fine, but you already have a place to go Nancy, so go where you’ll be happier and quit trying to change our church.
And take the Kennedys and the Kerrys with you.
NoDonkey on April 24, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Multiply. Fill abortion industry coffers.
saved on April 24, 2008 at 11:22 AM
You have to remember that she’s one of those Democratic Catholics — you know, the ones that signed that letter to the Pope condemning his remarks on abortion?
If they can’t get it right on the big things, what’s the news when they can’t get it right on the small ones?
unclesmrgol on April 24, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Ezekiel 25:17, man.
mojo on April 24, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Maybe the Church of Environmentalism has a different Bible.
CP on April 24, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Pffft, as if the rest of the Bible isn’t fictional.
We really shouldn’t be judging our elected officials by their inability to properly quote a fictional book.
Enrique on April 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Beautiful!
Liberals are such congenital liars that they are now resorting to making up Bible Scripture to promote their lunacy..
Actually, it would be funny, if it weren’t so friggin sad.
there it is on April 24, 2008 at 11:27 AM
She’s a Californian. She’s quoting from the book of “Dude-eronomy.”
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on April 24, 2008 at 11:27 AM
As a fellow-Catholic, I defend Nancy partly.
Her errors were (1) to claim it was biblical, and (2) to use the term “worship.”
Having said that, she is right that Catholic theology views Christ as redeeming all of nature and bringing it back “all in all” to the Father at the end of time. Our reverence for nature is in response to our intuition that the visible world is a sign & sacrament of invisible reality. All things bear the mark, the vestige, of the Creator.
This sound Catholic viewpoint goes back to the golden age of philosophy, found in Pseudo-Dionysius, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Bonaventure, and St. Thomas Aquinas, and is still held in high regard by Catholic intellectuals.
jeff_from_mpls on April 24, 2008 at 11:29 AM
There’s the Old Testament, the New Testament, and The Communist Manifesto.
Buy Danish on April 24, 2008 at 11:30 AM
I’m not aware that there’s any evidence Nancy Pelosi is an atheist, Ed.
I guess she’s just the “wrong kind” of Christian, huh? Funny how that always happens with religion…
Enrique on April 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Sounds like some New Age stuff. Pelosi’s actually probably quoting somebody like Maryann Williamson.
AZCoyote on April 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM
No book or chapter? Just “the Old Testemant”. Sorry Nancy, some people actually read that part of The Bible.
Typical haughty democratic “quote”. They believe it sounds profound, attribute it to something important and cry “Hate!” when they are told they are wrong.
Rogue Traveler on April 24, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Don’t forget her comments after the papal mass:
“Communion is the body of the people of the church coming together,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference after returning from the Mass. “I feel very much a part of that.” (From The Hill)
kc8ukw on April 24, 2008 at 11:34 AM
To do a butcher paraphrase…
To Everything there is a season, a time to laugh, a time to cry, and a time to throw all the dang bums out of office?
Romeo13 on April 24, 2008 at 11:37 AM
The Sam Jackson verse? That particular translation can only be found in the Queen Nancy version.
Kid from Brooklyn on April 24, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Whether you believe or not, if you’re going to quote the Bible, you should read it first. Knowing your source material keeps one(Pelosi in this instance, not a reference to you in any way) from reinforcing everyone’s belief that you’re an idiot.
Kowboy on April 24, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Here is an accurate quote for Mrs. Pelosi:
jman on April 24, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Actualy, I’d call them on mis quoting ANY literature.
And really don’t mess with Starship Troopers (book, not movie…).
Romeo13 on April 24, 2008 at 11:40 AM
To Enrique, the bible is TRUE!!! It is the word of God, sorry to burst your thinking but the bible is true. What nancy is doing is so wrong. I feel sorry for her cause she will have to spend forever in hell.
BroncosRock on April 24, 2008 at 11:40 AM
It’s in the Book of Hezekiah…everyone knows that! ;)
Tim on April 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Enrique on April 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Are you saying everything in the Bible is made up? Even the historical books of the OT? Dude, get educated.
Snidely Whiplash on April 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM
What about their ability to refrain from making up stuff & lying on the spot?
Tim on April 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Good job doing that commercial with this utter moron Newt, way to go.
WisCon on April 24, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Doesn’t the subdue imply the stewardship?
ninjapirate on April 24, 2008 at 11:45 AM
She was just quoting from Al Gore’s book which she probably considers her bible.
Her office gave one of the two typical Liberal responses when challenged:
No response. Just ignore it.
The other would have been to not answer and immediately challenge the questioner, therefore changing the subject. This is known as “Pulling a Clinton”.
There are plenty of passages in the Bible that speak about Pelosi and her ilk. One of them comes from “an obscure passage in Romans” (16:17 to be exact).
As for those that state that The Bible is fiction: I hope you realize the folly of that statement sooner rather than later. Either way, it is a choice we all must make.
SwampRat on April 24, 2008 at 11:46 AM
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools…and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.” That’s in there, Romans 1:22-24. By trying to use the Bible to achieve the moral high ground, Mrs Pelosi reminds me of the lawyer who makes up case citations in his courtroom oratory, assuming the judge and the other side don’t know any more about case law than he does.
jackmac on April 24, 2008 at 11:47 AM
LOL…
Looks like the Pelosi cadre need a simple digitized Bible and some quick instruction on the ‘find’ button. $20 could save them a lot of grief.
Limerick on April 24, 2008 at 11:48 AM
If she has one more facelift the skin will rip off her head.
gen 1:28 KJV “And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth” MUST have been the passage she was refering to. She must have been tired and did the Democrat two-step,she “mispoke” ’cause when the facts don’t fit Dem’s make sh*t up.
PatriotPete on April 24, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Maybe she got that Bible from the jihad folks in Syria, or Al Gore?
There was a rumor that the Pope was going to hold back Communion from politicians that promote abortion, but that has not seemed to happen. The hypocrites get in line after putting down their “Keep your Rosaries of my ovaries” sign.
The governor of Maine is famous for that game.
Hening on April 24, 2008 at 11:52 AM
‘God bless you’ to the American people by voting against this Republican budget and statement of injustice and immorality, and let us not let the special interest goose get fat at the expense of America’s children.”
This is one of my favorite biblical quotes that Pelosi uses. I think it is from Leviticus or something.
Shtetl G on April 24, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Pelosi is not nearly as bad as Bill Moyers. Pelosi may be a bumbler but Moyers is pure evil. A few years ago, Moyers did a PBS program in which he quoted James Watt as saying that we don’t need to care about the environment because Jesus is going to come back soon. The Moyers quote was an outright lie. Mr. Watt had actually said something completely opposite to what Moyers lied about. Mr. Watt said we have to be good stewards of the earth because we don’t know when the Messiah will return. And the remark was as proenvironment as you could get. But Moyers, to score an ideological point, simply lied. It was only after it got into the newspapers that Moyers, angrily issued a highly technical and begrudging apology. His apology made Bill Maher look downright remorseful. What Moyers did was one of the most disgraceful things I have ever seen in public life. Moyers’ need to smear anyone who disagrees with him shows only how evil this guy really is.
Larraby on April 24, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Is it me, or does her verse also confirm that God created Earth? So I’m sure she has no problem adding ID to California’s curriculum?
Enlightened on April 24, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Nancy thought that was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a mofo ‘fore you popped a cap in his ass.
Akzed on April 24, 2008 at 12:08 PM
3)”…and the face, which is stiff with pride, shall pronounce lies and lay them down upon the feet of their subjects and proclaim falsely, this is the word of the Lord,
4)and the foolish will exalt the leaders
5)lo the people of net knowledge shall cast light upon these lies and cast dispersions at the foolishness
6)the blind and weak shall follow, and the wise and strong shall rule forever
7) the strong shall cast peanuts at the monkey of the organ grinder, and the weak will remain blind forever
HA vs. 3-7
right2bright on April 24, 2008 at 12:10 PM
uh you are looking in the wrong Bible Dummass, check out the AGV (algore version), lookin at the book or Carboncredit 3:15. geez cmon guys.
custer on April 24, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Barnes & Noble has the Bible for Dummies. So there’s no excuse.
NellE on April 24, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Enrique,
Here’s a classic book that’s online:
The New Testament Documents: Are they Reliable?
by F. F. Bruce, M.A., D.D., F.B.A.
From the second chapter: The New Testament Documents: Their Date and Attestation
INC on April 24, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Here’s the link: The New Testament Documents: Are they Reliable?
INC on April 24, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Ahem. As a fellow Catholic speaking to a fellow Catholic, you might want to know that even Tradition is rooted in the Bible. All of the theologians you mention rooted their theology in the Word.
So either Pelosi ought to cough up the passages she relied upon, or, if they don’t exist, correct herself and apologize profusely, or quit the pseudo-Catholic theology she is wont to spout (the letter to the Pope I mention above being quite to the point) and stick to her own counter-politics without pretending to base it on any form of organized religion (or science, for that matter).
unclesmrgol on April 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Just remember that the earth is ours to rape, duh!
RoPa4life on April 24, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I thought this was her ‘bible‘.
La Mano on April 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM
This is the logic of my Christian belief regarding the Bible. Any person whether Christian or not, can start at number one.
1. The New Testament is an accurate historical document attesting to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I recommend John Warwick Montgomery’s History, Law and Christianity as well as F. F. Bruce’s book I mentioned above. There are also other books that have been written on the subject, but I mention these because of their brevity and succinctness.
2. A person can therefore read the gospels as history and then an unavoidable question arises—what does the reader think about Jesus Christ?
BTW, there is no middle ground, Jesus said, He who is not with Me, is against Me.
C. S. Lewis has some excellent thoughts in his essay What Are We to Make of Jesus Christ? from his book God In The Dock.
3. If someone decides that Jesus Christ is Lord and God, the next logical step is to further read what He says and believe it.
4. This means looking at Christ’s teachings about Scripture.
5. From the words of Christ, Christians gain our understanding of the nature and authority of Scripture.
INC on April 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Right next to the “Keeping the Unions out of your Vineyards for Dummies”
“Face lifts for Dummies”
“Pandering for Dummies”
“Aborting Babies for Dummies”
right2bright on April 24, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I wouldn’t trust what Pelosi was saying if she was quoting a recipe from an Emeril LaGasse cookbook!
pilamaye on April 24, 2008 at 12:25 PM
That verse was from I Nancy 3:16
NoFanofLibs on April 24, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Pelosi bows to the Church of Liberalism,Liberals
only use Religion when its Politically convienent!
canopfor on April 24, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Just more proof that Democrats will do or say ANYTHING if they think its Politically expedient (Pandering). And people like Enrique eat it up and defend them tooth and nail.
kirkill on April 24, 2008 at 12:28 PM
For those interested: Judaism and the Environment.
Shy Guy on April 24, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Pelosi will say: If interpreted correctly that is what it says…we are just not interpreting how the Church of Pelosi wants it interpreted.
It works for other religions…
right2bright on April 24, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Honestly, I don’t know why anyone ever answers Enrique’s comments. You post earnest well written rebuttals drawn from biblical passages. He won’t be convinced. You already believe. He gets a thrill at the ire he has raised, you get upset. What is the point? Do you really care what Enrique believes or thinks? Enrique is just not that important. Doesn’t provide cogent information or advance debate. Just a flamethrower…
valsgirl on April 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Be grateful that God didn’t give us the job of determining the location of individuals’ eternal placements. I suspect we’d be a lot less forgiving than He is.
obladioblada on April 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM
“We Americans have always been religious, a member of my staff tells me.”
Faux Nancy Pelosi on Saturday Night Live.
rbj on April 24, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Ah, of course Enrique has to join this thread just to mock Christians.
In your rush to abuse us, did it ever occur to you that we’re judging her based on her intent to deceive?
Since the quote is nowhere to be found in the Bible, it’s obvious to most of us that she simply made the whole thing up in an attempt to pander to Christians on the issue of environmentalism.
This isn’t a case of someone improperly quoting the Bible. If that were true, we’d at least be able to find a verse somewhat close to what she was saying, if not literally, at least thematically.
Try not to let your hatred of a religion you don’t quite grasp cloud your judgment on this issue.
Esthier on April 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Maybe she’s quoting the Koran?
http://www.religiondispatches.org/Gui/Content.aspx?Page=AR&Id=193&SP=1
Hendo on April 24, 2008 at 12:47 PM
You think Nancy Pelosi is not heading to hell?
Let me guess..you also think Enrique is not heading for hell too?
Well you’re wrong.
Jesus did command us us to judge righteous judgement.
Meaning that when you see a person committing sin and living unrighteously…you are supposed to call them out and warn them.
If you truly do love your brother you will try to help them to run away from sin and trust in Jesus.
And yes, you are supposed to call out false prophets like Nancy, and warn people about them.
It’s true that we do not know if they will accept Jesus Christ in their dying breaths….but there is no question about whether Nancy and Enrique are heading to hell or not.
They are both definitely HEADING for the lake of fire.
SaintOlaf on April 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM
INC,
your link did not work. Please repost it. Thanks
abinitioadinfinitum on April 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM
This is an ignorant person who knows nothing about the Bible - he’s just spouting what he’s been told - a true sycophant.
The Bible isn’t even one single book; it’s more like a library, written over hundreds of years by dozens of different authors.
And much of it isn’t even historical, but rather admonition, such as: “Thou shalt not kill.” So Enrique, are you saying that you don’t believe that statement? How about “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife” and “Thou shalt not commit adultery?” Do you disbelieve those statements also?
What about the verse that says, “The wrenching of the nose bringeth forth blood” - Is that fiction also? Shall I go on?
For someone to say that the Bible is fiction is to manifest gross ignorance of what kind of work the Bible actually is.
Oh, btw, Enrique…Words to the Wise found in the Bible…
fossten on April 24, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Thanks, Nancy, blame it on the Jews.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM
It’s scripture according to “Pelosi.”
You remember- the last apostle. The one left out of most Bibles.
drjohn on April 24, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Come to think of it…that link is apropo for Nanny Pelussolini as well…
fossten on April 24, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Didn’t Flipper (Kerry) say his favorite book of the New Testament is Job?
(Job appears in the Old Testament)
another biblical scholar on the Left
fudgypup on April 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Actually, I would quote Genesis 2.15:
Shy Guy on April 24, 2008 at 1:12 PM
That worked out well, didn’t it?
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 24, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Howard Dean.
fossten on April 24, 2008 at 1:14 PM
FFBruce, ‘The NT Books, are they reliable?’
I read this one several years ago. It is pretty good.
HeIsSailing on April 24, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Bad grammar. This would imply that the Bible is not, in fact, a real book. You mean that it is a work of fiction, not a fictional book.
The point here is that Pelosi can’t even manage to correctly quote from a book. This makes her look rather stupid, regardless of the book she misquoted.
Of course, I get that basic grammar and reading comprehension skills take a back seat to bashing religion at every turn. Which of course, makes you look so rational and coherent.
TheUnrepentantGeek on April 24, 2008 at 1:18 PM
THE WIFE DID IT!!!
Shy Guy on April 24, 2008 at 1:19 PM
But at least they usually get the quotes correct, even if out of context.
I’d tend to disagree with that. I’ve met many many people who debate Christian Theology with completely contrived verses that are made up simply to help them win the debate. Of course, it does just the latter.
More and more people rely less on facts and more on what “sounds” or “feels” good. To me that’s rather dangerous.
I’m sure Hitler felt right as rain attempting to murder an entire race.
One Angry Christian on April 24, 2008 at 1:22 PM
The serpent with legs did it.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 24, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Thanks but your link didn’t work, even when I copy and paste shortcut. I will keep trying it.
http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/ffbruce/ntdocrli/ntdocont.htm
abinitioadinfinitum on April 24, 2008 at 1:24 PM
As I blogged, people like Pelosi and the Bible are like oil and water. The former is greasy, filthy and stinks up to high heaven and the latter gives life.
JinxMcHue on April 24, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Close enough for the Demoncrats whom cannot help themselves when confronted by questions of intellectual honesty at any level. From; fake but accurate, facts don’t matter - its how you feel, an overwhelming concensus, to the walking and talking embodiment of hypocrisy, the Obamessiah himself. Liberals lack the learned discipline of critical thought and analysis; their cognitive process does not have any type of internal conditional IF - Then statement that self regulates stupidity, the just plain SUCK.
dmann on April 24, 2008 at 1:30 PM
I Googled FF Bruce and found more than enough reading.
Thank You for your help.
abinitioadinfinitum on April 24, 2008 at 1:32 PM
they just plain SUCK!
talk about lack of crtical thought and analysis..doh!
dmann on April 24, 2008 at 1:35 PM
It’s true that Nancy Pelosi is a catholic.
But she(like many catholics)is not saved!
Unfortunately, the catholic church does NOT lead people to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
There is a huge difference between being a practicing catholic and being a born again Christian.
Fortunately, many catholics are born again Christians.
But the fact is, every catholic who is a born again Christian will tell you they found a personal relationship with Jesus Christ OUTSIDE of the catholic church and were influenced to do so by protestant teachings.
Is anyone aware of why the Christian church split off from the catholics?
Can anyone tell me why the catholic church does not encourage one to read the Word of God?
Can anyone tell me why they worship and pray to a un-Biblical female goddess figure?
Can anyone tell me why the catholic church does not encourage one to be born again?
SaintOlaf on April 24, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Apparently rewriting the constitution isn’t enough for the left…
ihasurnominashun on April 24, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Nothing like a little Bible quoting to get the masses messin enmass.
First point of correction:NoDonkey, waaaay up near the top of the page states that Christians who do not agree with Catholic teachings are called “Protestants”. Nope. Not even close, though to Catholics it may seem easy to lump together and dismiss us by tagging us “Protestants”.
I’m a Christian, bub. It’s not what I’m against that defines me, it’s Who I’m for. A positive, not a negative. To you the Catholic church may seem like a big deal. I don’t live my life raging against the Catholic church-I mostly just ignore it.
Have a good day, citizens.
Doug on April 24, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I agree. It’s a pejorative term, like calling pro-lifers “anti-choicers.”
fossten on April 24, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Ed,
I seldomly defend Pelosi but I think you are partly wrong in interpreting her message.
I think she’s implying that one worships God rather than, what you are suggesting, the creation itself when one ministers to it.
She is still dead wrong in suggesting that scripture states that taking care of the creation is an act of worship to the creator.
shick on April 24, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Pelosi’s gaffe is WORSE than misquoting. This was calculated. She (as does Enrique, above [April 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM]) has a low view of Scripture, if not Christians in general, and mocks us. This, despite the proof. (Yes, I said proof.) But proof without pursuasion (see WCF 1:5) is nothing. Jesus knew it…
She mocks us, but that’s okay.
BNCurtis on April 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM
OK. SaintOlaf on April 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, you said:
I believe this applies to Christians, not non-Christians. (If you wish to correct me, please be specific.) A nonbeliever has no basis to understand the sin or the offense. They only have secular law, which they may not be breaking.
Also, SaintOlaf on April 24, 2008 at 1:35 PM:
How about “But she (like so many
catholicschristians) is not saved!” I hope you get what I’m saying here. It’s much more broad than singling out Roman Catholics… The wheat and the chaff mingle in all of the Church, Protestant, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, etc.BNCurtis on April 24, 2008 at 2:05 PM
I think we’re overlooking something here.
A. There are verses that talk about caring for God’s creation.
B. Nancy doesn’t know her Bible well enough to quote it correctly.
C. **If and when Nancy or her staff do look up the actual verses her vague references appeal to, they find other stuff in the verse or context which essentially make the verse unquotable for them (e.g., dominion, subdue, creationist theology)**
Just my 2 cents.
cs89 on April 24, 2008 at 2:06 PM
COULTER: God says, “Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.”
FENN: Terrific. We’re Americans, so we should consume as much of the earth’s resources…
COULTER: Yes! Yes.
FENN: … as fast as we possibly can.
COULTER: As opposed to living like the Indians.
RoPa4life on April 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM
When I read Enrique, I assumed he was being sarcastic. I could be wrong and I have been in the past.
flytier on April 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM
BNCurtis on April 24, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Even the unsaved no the difference between right and wrong! God has imprinted it in their hearts. That’s why the devil is able to deceive them I.E. the Garden of Eden and Eve. “Hath God said….” Romans says that God has revealed Himself through nature. The unsaved will be be under the convicting power of the Holy Spirit but they certainly no right from wrong.
flytier on April 24, 2008 at 2:23 PM
The unsaved will not be under the convicting power of the Holy Spirit but they certainly no right from wrong.
flytier on April 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM
What modern history teaches is: Communists trash the environment, because they have no sense of stewardship. Rich capitalists set up charitable foundations to preserve the environment, because they do understand stewardship. As a general rule, the richer a country is, the more respect they show for the environment.
RBMN on April 24, 2008 at 2:29 PM
St.Olaf, give James 4 and Romans 14 a read through. There’s a contextual difference between what I guess I’d call believer to believer correction/judgement, and believer to non-believer. Another thing to remember is who a certain passage/letter is written towards, not to mention being ‘under the law’ vs. not from old to new testaments, respectively. Guard yourself against giving someone’s final judgement. I’d agree with you that their current lifestyles are not ones that seem to be bearing spiritual fruit, but harder hearts have been broken in the past, and far be it from any of us to claim to know His final plan.
I hadn’t seen that kc8ukw. I wonder if someone should point her in the direction of 1st Cor. 11.
fanderbiles on April 24, 2008 at 2:30 PM
No, he genuinely does not like Christians or Christianity.
You’re really not helping yourself.
Esthier on April 24, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Hmmm. Boy, that sounds familiar.
a capella on April 24, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Well, let’s be fair here. Nancy Pelosi and George W agree that Islam is a “religion of peace” despite the Koran making it overwhelming clear that Islam is a religion of jihad or war. The willingness to make up stuff about holy books cuts across the political spectrum.
thuja on April 24, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Here’s another one she might want to learn
pecan pie on April 24, 2008 at 2:43 PM
You don’t outright say it, but the implication that Pelosi is (Or thinks like) an atheist who has contempt for people of faith is unfair, she’s ignorant, uninformed, or blind so some of her church’s teachings but I have doubt it’s anything malicious.
Really, most American Catholics have an “A la Carte” approach to their faith, regardless of political affiliation. Heck, there was a poll recently that said most don’t even see going to church regularly as being important to their faith.
Typhonsentra on April 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM
flytier on April 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM
I would respond, they have the ABILITY to know right from wrong. They will only choose the right if it is suitable to them (reference John 3:19, cited above). If it is unsuitable, it can be cast aside, disregarded, or even criticized or mocked. Even if they choose the right (from a theological perspective), there is no gain. Consider the prospect of “bad” good works. (That may be Luther, but I don’t remember right now.)
BNCurtis on April 24, 2008 at 3:03 PM
I think it’s safe to say that some of us have heard of the Reformation. Is it better to have one church or 26,000 independent denominations?
The RCC does in fact encourage Bible reading, even promising time off from Purgatory for reading it.
No catholic worships Mary, and “prayer” to her is to them like asking a friend to pray for them.
And the catholic understanding of rebirth is that it occurs at baptism, like Jesus said in John 3.
I am not a Roman Catholic, but you are a dope.
Akzed on April 24, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Time for another 2000+ comments?
I just finished reading the last one.
maynila on April 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM
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