sanantonian on April 24, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Agreed. That raid reminded me of Waco. While I don’t hold the same religious views as the FLDS or the Branch Davidians, I don’t think what the government did was appropriate in either raid.

I want to tread lightly on this next part, because it is such a sensitive topic, but I got the impression from the news reports that not only were these FLDS children separated from their parents, they were medically examined in a strange location by strange people looking for evidence of sexual abuse. I have to believe that was horrifying to these young girls, and I don’t see any governmental justification for doing it against their will.

The FLDS at Yearning for Zion Ranch, a small, delimited, voluntary association, is reported via one anonymous (and fraudulent) phone call to have on its grounds underage pregnant girls impregnated by overage men. Government response: Visited by armed authorities backed by fully automatic weapons and an armored vehicle — authorities who proceed to snatch up over 400 well cared-for children and to confiscate documents.

Hmmmm. No disconnect here. None at all. Gotta love Governor Rick Perry. /sarc

Jonah Goldberg scrutinizes all of the implications of the entire movement (personalities and organizations and philosophies) in Liberal Fascism.

“Black” people aren’t black.
“White” people aren’t white.
“Yellow” people aren’t yellow.

We are all one human race, with different variations of skin color.

Anyone who is a citizen of the USA is an “American”. PERIOD. There is no need to make that word hyphenated. Anyone who does so is trying to divide us, not unite us. Do not be deceived.

Eisenhower is the one who presented the first civil rights bill for blacks, but it was voted down by the Democrats. Ike is the one who sent troops to secure school for the blacks, and was vilified by the democrats for doing so. Ike is the one who made the executive order to intergrate the military. All others, JFK, LBJ, etc., stood on the shoulders of Ike. He is the one that stuck his neck out, the pioneer, the rest just followed the “popular” trend. Ike did it because it was right, the rest did it for votes.

right2bright on April 24, 2008 at 8:18 AM

Thank you. Excellent post. The Republican party is the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower, yet the Democratic Socialists have historically received 90% of the votes of dark-skinned people by acting like Plantation owners. Some people seem to prefer being mentally enslaved rather than set free. That’s not surprising, since even Harriet Tubman encountered slaves who preferred to stay slaves rather than follow her to freedom. It’s the Matrix mentality. It’s the plantation mentality. It’s OK to leave the Matrix. It’s OK to Leave the Plantation.

Most posters believe that the baby/fetus cannot speak for itself so it is our duty to speak for him/her.

platypus on April 24, 2008 at 12:34 AM

I think most posters believe that the baby is a gift from God. And if the biological mother of that baby chooses to accept that gift herself or pass that gift on to someone else, it is her choice. That’s what I would consider “Pro-Choice”.

Let the baby live and let the biological mother have her choice of whether or not to be involved in raising that child.

And if you aren’t grown up enough to handle going through 9 months of pregnancy so that another person may live instead of die, then you shouldn’t be having sex. PERIOD.

Every one to two days, more people are murdered by their own mother than all of the service men and women who have died in Iraq in FIVE YEARS.

I’d like to see some liberals care about how millions of babies have been killed in America rather than focusing on how many people have died in Iraq.

We have aborted one-third of an entire generation.

Face reality. There is no excuse for abortion in this country.

has anyone else thought that Planned Parenthood might be a front for a eugenics project?

RMC1618 on April 23, 2008 at 2:08 PM

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Margaret Mead was a founder, and firm believer in eugenics. It is more than a feeling that they are in the eugenics business. This is not a freedom issue, it is a human rights issue. The republican party was founded on human rights (slavery) and this is no different. Innocent children are being killed every day in this country. They need to stand up at every opportunity and denounce PP and especially federal funding of this barbaric practice.

Red Pill on April 24, 2008 at 1:10 AM

I had never seen that, what do you bet that the actual oath they “take” does not include the abortion statement.
I usually stay away from the abortion posts, it just makes me too sad to think.
I have two fantastic adult kids, and I wonder how many other great kids, ones that give back to society like mine, have been lost forever.
I don’t understand the other side, when the alternatives are so easy to use.
So many want to adopt. Forget (I know you shouldn’t) the moral or religions argument, the practical is that you can resolve this without destroying a life…and create something good and positive.
It makes me so sad, the abortion proponents are so adamant about taking a life…who would ever think that their would be an argument over life or death to an innocent…boggles my mind, and makes me sad.

Eisenhower did good work toward ending segregation and got a very healthy percentage of black voters in 1956. However, LBJ was probably more courageous from a Civil Rights standpoint and Nixon’s subsequent Southern Strategy made it difficult for the GOP to appeal to black voters even today.

dedalus on April 23, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Eisenhower is the one who presented the first civil rights bill for blacks, but it was voted down by the Democrats. Ike is the one who sent troops to secure school for the blacks, and was vilified by the democrats for doing so. Ike is the one who made the executive order to intergrate the military. All others, JFK, LBJ, etc., stood on the shoulders of Ike. He is the one that stuck his neck out, the pioneer, the rest just followed the “popular” trend. Ike did it because it was right, the rest did it for votes.

Red Pill on April 24, 2008 at 12:10 AM

Verrry moving, Red Pill. Thanks.

Red Pill on April 24, 2008 at 1:10 AM

Heh. Great minds think alike.

if the “medical” procedure, done correctly, causes death, IT AIN’T MEDICAL, PEOPLE!

Whatever it is, it has NOTHING to do with medicine.

platypus on April 24, 2008 at 12:34 AM

Agreed. I thought medicine was about saving lives. Take a look at the Hippocratic Oath. Note the picture of a twelfth-century Byzantine manuscript of the Oath in the form of a cross. Note that the original oath itself says

I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.

Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

Whatever it is, it has NOTHING to do with medicine.

platypus on April 24, 2008 at 12:34 AM

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.
Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

-Hippocratic Oath

How about this: we outlaw all abortions until and unless someone explains why one of the lifeforms in the “medical” facility must die in order for the procedure to be “successful.”

Let’s be seriously basic about this – if the “medical” procedure, done correctly, causes death, IT AIN’T MEDICAL, PEOPLE!

Whatever it is, it has NOTHING to do with medicine.

Who is planned parenthood’s competition? Is there any serious “pro-life” alternative to planned parenthood?

ninjapirate on April 23, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Yes, and they are worthy of your financial support.

This is one.

This is another.

There are many more like them, all over the country.

has anyone else thought that Planned Parenthood might be a front for a eugenics project?

RMC1618 on April 23, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Ben Stein shows the connection extremely well in his movie Exposed. It is a “five star” movie that you need to see if you haven’t already. The HotAir thread discussing that movie has set a new HotAir record…178 unique commenters leaving over 2300 comments.

Money is fungible. There is no way to know if a dollar the Federal government sends Planned Parenthood is being spent on abortions or something else. As someone else mentioned, the public funds can easily be enabling more spending on abortions, too.
MrLynn on April 23, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Exactly. AND…PP just uses more funds from other sources to cover the “underage” from the federal source. Much like, when you designate a United Way pledge to go to a specific agency, the United Way just uses other funds to cover what it had planned to donate to, say, Planned Parenthood. (This is why I stopped giving to the United Way at work. I just donate directly to organizations I want to get my money.)

That assumes of course that PP is being honest with how it spends the money. MrLynn is right that this didn’t always happen. This dishonesty at one PP was documented BTW in an excellent book-length exposé of PP called Aborting Planned Parenthood, available at Amazon.

Someone above mentioned George Grant’s Grand Illusions: the legacy of Planned Parenthood,” also an excellent book (it focuses more on the propagandizing PP does in schools etc.) and also available at Amazon.

Absolutely NOTHING will come of this! The democrats are in control and our President is clueless so settle down everyone and enjoy! If you don’t like what’s going on…elect some leaders who care about your issues! Our leaders don’t so don’t be surprised at what’s going on!

sabbott on April 23, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Oh, I don’t know. Get in the hands of one of these guys:

“Reverend” Al Sharpton
“Reverend” James Meeks
“Reverend” Jeremiah Wright
“Reverend” Otis Moss III
“Minister” Louis Farrakhan
“Reverend” James Bevel
“Reverend” Eric Lee
“Pastor” Mack King
DANEgerus on April 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

and I bet one of them runs with it, big time. From these guys, the MSM will hear it.

Kinda like the American Lung Association giving to RJ Reynolds.