Comments on: Hillary win points out real trouble for Obama, Dems

By: UrbanGrounds | Hillary Beats Barrack in PA

UrbanGrounds | Hillary Beats Barrack in PA — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:36:37 +0000

[...] big winner yesterday was John McCain, and the big loser was the Democratic party. Ed Morrissey at Hot Air: Democrats have discovered an ugly truth: neither of the two candidates left will unite the party, [...]

By: Rovin

Rovin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:35:00 +0000

MB4, While your author makes some good points, the RCP polls show McCain heads up against either candidate with a difference of (at the most) 1.2%. Mac leads Clinton in most polls by 4-5% points. The interesting part is the undecideds are running 4-10% points, which according to many of the past election cycles, will most likely be the difference in who wins the general. While McCains numbers are bumping up against the 45% number as Ross implys, so are his respective challengers. A well played campaign this fall by McCain can put him in the WH, while the damage control of the DNC continues to deminish their chances.

By: Big S

Big S — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:30:23 +0000

The other day during the waffle incident I pointed out Obama’s unfortunate case of Fred Thompson’s disease. Now it’s starting to look like he’s developed a secondary Romneyitis. The prognosis is grim.

By: MB4

MB4 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:51:06 +0000

Reality Check -

Even with the Democratic Party locked in a fierce civil war, John McCain still hasn’t pulled ahead of either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in national polls.

The Democratic primary campaign – divisive, bitter, and seemingly endless – has made many Republicans optimistic about their party’s prospects for retaining the White House this November. But the numbers still seem to tell a different story — and not just secondary indicators like the enormous gap between McCain’s fund raising and the dollars his Democratic rivals are raking in, or the underlying economic realities that will make this a tough year for the GOP no matter what. The polls themselves aren’t running McCain’s way, or at least not to the extent that would justify the current wave of conservative optimism about November.

Now of course no poll taken in April can tell us all that much about a vote that’s held in November: Elections that look close can turn into routs and vice versa, and huge polling margins can vanish in the blink of an eye. (Ask Michael Dukakis how well his seventeen-point margin from early-summer 1988 held up in the end.) But by all rights, this ought to be a peak time for McCain’s numbers – not the peak, necessarily, but certainly a high point. His right-wing critics are making nice with him, his favorable ratings are sky-high, and his opponents are too busy driving each other’s negative ratings upward to spend any time (or money, more importantly) putting a dent in his halo. Moreover, the Democrats’ intra-party tensions are bound to diminish once the party picks a nominee: At least some of the Hillary supporters who tell pollsters that they’d vote for McCain over Obama may actually follow through on that pledge, but a lot of today’s McCainocrats will come home to the Democratic fold when all is said and done.

Yet even with all this going for him, McCain’s poll numbers are bumping up against the same 45 percent ceiling that they’ve been hitting since December. If the election were held today – a pretty good day for McCain, all things considered – he’d probably lose to Obama, and might lose to Clinton as well. That doesn’t mean he will lose, by any stretch, but it certainly doesn’t bode well for November.
— Ross Douthat

By: MrLynn

MrLynn — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:20:25 +0000

whitetop on April 23, 2008 at 8:21 AM

Well done sketch! I can visualize Obambi with his sleeves rolled up (summoning Michelle to defend him), and Missus Slick with her cackle and claws out.

Somebody needs to dramatize this with a video.

By: John the Libertarian

John the Libertarian — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:06:51 +0000

As I’ve been saying since before the Wright bombshell: the Dems are in serious, serious trouble this election cycle. Even Dems here in Hollywood are telling me privately they’re going to vote McCain. This is gonna be a landslide.

By: tgharris

tgharris — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:14:55 +0000

but that “superdelegates should follow the popular vote” argument from Obama supporters may boomerang on them soon.

“Boomerang” you say? If the new kind of politician wins the nomination, and backs out of his public financing pledge, 180 degree movements will apparently be right (or is it “Wright”?) up his alley.

By: adamsmith

adamsmith — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:02:03 +0000

I posted(and of course was ridiculed in typical moonbat fashion)on ZsaZsa Huffington’s post six months ago that the Dems didn’t have a viable candidate. Same still holds true. At least the moonbats will have four more years(hopefully twelve) to whine..What kind of cheese do eltist Moonbats(Moonrats?) like with their whine?????

By: PaulD

PaulD — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:18:57 +0000

Theres a little something wrong with the conventional narrative about the primary race between Clinton and Obama. The notion that this is bad for the Democratic party isn’t entirely accurate because the longer this goes on the more people register to vote… in overwhelming numbers.

Be careful what you wish for if you’re a McCain supporter.

By: UrbanGrounds

UrbanGrounds — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:02:48 +0000

Hillary Beats Barack in PA…

Of course Obama is spinning it as a victory. I’m not sure that word means what he thinks it means….
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By: libhater

libhater — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:49:54 +0000

Operation Chaos did play a part in the results. I have no doubt about that. To what degree, we can't know for sure. What struck me was the percentage of Hitlary voters indicated on FOX that would either vote for McCain or stay home if BHO is the nominee. I can't believe them but the combined number was 45% compared to 19% of BHO voters. That is a huge number!!! I realize it's like a poll and will certainly change in the general but 45% would either vote for McCain or stay home???? Some of that must be Operation Chaos voters but even half of that percentage, more in line with BHO voter percentages, would be great in November.

By: Rational Thought

Rational Thought — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:43:07 +0000

This primary campaign is giving the dems buyer’s remorse on so many levels, it’s almost amazing to watch. They bought into nasty double-standard racial politics for years, and now they have to call one of their own a racist every time she challenges her opponent. They bought into the bogus argument that Republican candidates’ religious lives are subject to harsh scrutiny and criticism, so now Obama’s “minister” is an issue. They bought into the political strategy of tying a candidate to every unsavory character he’s ever known, so now Obama’s terrorist friends are front and center. They bought into the “count every vote” meme, so now they’ve got Florida and Michigan hanging out there like big old…chads? Far left dems like Hillary and Obama simply cannot win on the issues voters care about — security/defense, free markets, low taxes, illegal immigration — so they created these false issues and now they’re biting them right in the donkey’s arse. It’s been great to watch, but they won’t learn a thing.

By: Doug

Doug — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:32:06 +0000

One quibble: it’s not the ‘undecideds’ who are keeping things messy-the culprits are the ‘decideds’.

By: Buy Danish

Buy Danish — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:09:49 +0000

What do you bet that the Dems completely restructure their primary procedure following this election? You just can’t make this stuff up.

bopbottle on April 23, 2008 at 8:53 AM

No doubt, but the system needs to be reformed for both parties. Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina have far too much power in determining candidates for both parties.

By: SeniorD

SeniorD — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:59:38 +0000

OK, Comrade H.R. Clinton won big over Comrade B.H.Obama during a bloody, disenfranchising, divisive campaign. This suggests neither will get the Brass Ring. A Unifying Presence® will sweep the Denver Convention like an Inconvenient (albeit bogus) Truth. The Democrat Politburo’s selection for President: Oscar® winner, Nobel Political Peace Prize® winner, Four Month Vietnam Combat (Press) Veteran, raised from Birth to become President: Comrade A. Hammer’s own Albert Gore, Junior.

Hollywood, Kosmonauts, ANSWER, Code Pink – ALL of the Democrat Special Interests will rally to the Cause.

By: profitsbeard

profitsbeard — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:58:32 +0000

The Morning After for the Dems. "Oh no, why did I buy that Hope&ChangeMobile without looking under the hood!? All it does is wheeze and stall and hesitate and get lousy mileage for tons of money poured into it!" Barack Edsel Obama. (Although his ears look more like a gull-winged DeLorean.)

By: bopbottle

bopbottle — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:53:37 +0000

What do you bet that the Dems completely restructure their primary procedure following this election? You just can’t make this stuff up.

By: Buy Danish

Buy Danish — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:42:20 +0000

Ties to unrepentant terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn give Obama a radical flavor that negates his earlier assertions of centrism and independent thinking

Hmmmm. Could it be that Barbra Streisand is willing to shun President Bush and refuse to appear at the same event with him, but Obama did not shun admitted terrorists, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dhorn? Streisand denies that Bush hatred is the reason for her cancellation, but it is interesting to think about what the Left finds palatable versus what they find execrable.

By: Hening

Hening — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:41:59 +0000

Isn’t the dynamic a bit odd that Obama has support from the “hood” and the rich White folk? That really says something about the wealthy mindset of always supporting Republicans. It also makes the Republican party that of the pragmatic, common man.

By: Dash

Dash — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:39:10 +0000

whitetop on April 23, 2008 at 8:21 AM

Haha, well played sir.

By: Dash

Dash — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:36:24 +0000

We have a massive case of buyers remorse, and again we go back to the behavior of the undecideds.

Yeah? I dunno. Who are they wishing they had voted for? Clinton, who you’re saying cant win in November? Edwards?

…GRAVEL!?! ;)

By: terryannonline

terryannonline — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:36:18 +0000

Don Surber notes that Hillary has passed Obama in the popular vote, if Michigan and Florida get included.

I wonder why the reporters on TV keep on saying she can’t win in the popular vote either. It seems to me if she keeps on going and winning and then counts Florida. Yes, she can win the popular. And of course, the Dems wouldn’t nominate someone that didn’t win the popular vote, would they?

By: NoDonkey

NoDonkey — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:29:48 +0000

Mr. Inevitable, meet Mrs. Inevitable . . .

Irresistible force, meet the immovable object . . .

Alpha male meet his wife in curlers, holding a rolling pin at 3:00 a.m. . . .

Gunslinger meets the sheriff at dawn, outside of the saloon . . .

Aw, forget it, this is really just one jackass fighting the other, over which one of them gets to eat the cowflop that is the Democrat nomination.

By: Limerick

Limerick — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:28:24 +0000

Mr Lynn, rockmom, Keemo..

Using Keemo’s number of 10%, and guessing here of a 50% Republican stay-home rate that still leaves us 150,000 votes short in PA.

Dem vote 2.2 mil
Rep vote 585k

By: rockmom

rockmom — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:22:54 +0000

You can change your party again before the general election in PA. It will be interesting to see how many Republicans switch back.

Before anyone gets too excited about those numbers though, be reminded that a hell of a lot of registered Democrats in the non-urban areas of the state are really Republicans. They all voted for Hillary yesterday but they will vote for McCain in November.