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Broadway Baby and Senator Hope and Change

posted at 9:10 am on April 23, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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John Kass delves deeper into the cases of Bernadine Dohrn, William Ayers, and the Weather Underground, and finds more crimes than commonly thought. Barack Obama tried to shrug off the radical past of his associate on the Woods Foundation board as having ended when Obama was eight, but now it looks more like the 80s. Kass relates the tale of how Dohrn in particular assisted radicals in armed robberies that turned into murders through identity theft:

According to a 1982 New York Times report, Broadway Baby was implicated in an investigation of a series of violent armed robberies in New York—netting more than $2 million over a two-year span—committed by former Black Panthers and Weather Underground members in the early ’80s.

Their aim? Global revolution, naturally. They needed cash, but the rich white parents weren’t in a giving mood. So their privileged offspring grabbed guns, pointed them at the faces of the working man and, sometimes, they pulled the trigger.

At Broadway Baby, customers often paid by check and used driver’s licenses for identification. On Dec. 28, 1979, information from two customer files was used to apply for two driver’s licenses at the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles. The fraudulent licenses were used to rent getaway cars for the gang.

Investigators tracked the identities on two licenses for the getaway cars. The names belonged to women who had shopped at Broadway Baby in December 1979. But they weren’t robbers.

And who was the manager of Broadway Baby during that period of the customer ID theft?

Dohrn, the future wife of Ayers, identified by investigators as taking customer information from one, and possibly both, of the women shoppers. Dohrn was never charged in that case.

This conspiracy didn’t involve political protest, but common robbery — and murder. The same gang that Dohrn supplied with fake ID later went on to murder a Brinks armed guard and two police officers. Dohrn refused to cooperate in a grand jury investigation and served seven months for contempt. Years later, Ayers’ father apparently pulled some strings at Northwest University, where he was a trustee, and got Dohrn a job at the school with less access to drivers licences.

Only 14 years after these murders, Barack Obama went to the house of the apparent accomplice in these robberies and murders and asked for her support in his first political campaign. He sat on panels with Ayers in Chicago discussing politics and worked with him on the Woods Foundation board. This isn’t just some neighbor with whom he accidentally crossed paths; the Obamas sought out Ayers and Dohrn and maintained political ties with them at least through 2002.

Do we want to hear another verse of how Ayers and Dohrn somehow equate to Tom Coburn? Barack Obama seems to really believe that nonsense. That, more than anything, should really be the cautionary tale — that a candidate for President considers a sitting Senator with a distinguished medical career the political equivalent of an unrepentant domestic terrorist and an accomplice to armed robberies and murder.


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Check out Hugh Hewitt’s new audio of Ayer’s and Dohrn:

http://www.townhall.com/talkradio/show.aspx?radioshowid=5

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog

D0WNT0WN on April 23, 2008 at 9:15 AM

This really needs to get some wide airplay in the MSM. Maybe I’m dreaming, though.

The fact of the matter is, however, that Obama and the misses will just poo-poo this association as they did when references were drawn earlier.

This is most disconcerting. I hope McCain’s paying attention.

Corky on April 23, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Question: Is Hillary desperate enough to use this audio against Obama? I think yes.

BrianA on April 23, 2008 at 9:22 AM

Their aim? Global revolution, naturally.

Indeed.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Quintessential spoiled little rich white kids.

Play acting as revolutionaries to give meaning to their pathetic lives.

Trash really. That Obama didn’t throw up when Ayers walked into the room is revealing.

SteveMG on April 23, 2008 at 9:25 AM

I hope McCain’s paying attention.
Corky on April 23, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Dude, McCain is part of the problem, not part of the solution. McCain and Hillary are Best Friends Forever. As I see it, McCain and Hillary are Socialists, too, but they want to work through the existing system, while Obama wants to overthrow it.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 9:26 AM

Hewitt has been playing a lot of clips of these two. Except for their nutty extreme left message that puts people to sleep, they come across as soft spoken. I remember hearing them in the 60s. They were rabid foaming at the mouth radicals calling for the murder of “pigs” (police and civilians)and I have no doubt they are the same people today. It’s disgusting that they got away with conspiracy for murder and now have these high paying jobs. And why would Ayers father pull strings? Doesn’t anyone disinherit their kids anymore? These two were born rich and will die rich. For all their yammering, the 60s radicals were a bunch of rich white kids who returned to being rich white kids.

Blake on April 23, 2008 at 9:27 AM

Bernadine Dohrn has gotten off pretty lightly in the press relative to her husband. I would hope this would change in the months to come.

Dohrn and Ayers have no place being anywhere near our children and yet that is precisely where they are. Clearly they’ve had the last laugh as the citizens of the society they worked so hard to upend are paying for their comfortable lifestyle as well as give them a platform to maintain their quasi-celebrity status.

At a 1969 “War Council” that helped launch the organization, Dohrn raised three fingers in a “fork salute” to Charles Manson, whom she proposed as a revolutionary inspiration. She went on to joke about Manson’s victims and dubbed them the “Tate Eight” after Sharon Tate, the pregnant actress whom members of the Manson tribe stabbed in the womb with a fork. “Dig it,” said Dohrn at the time. “First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!”

moxie_neanderthal on April 23, 2008 at 9:32 AM

Anyone know how much these 2 stooges are paid at by their respective schools?

moxie_neanderthal on April 23, 2008 at 9:37 AM

Keep up the pressure. The American people (beyond the swooning idiots) need to know who BHO really is. He is shady to say the least and extrememly dangerous.

STOP HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

libhater on April 23, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Obama will suck-up to anything that gives his own inner self-division some “cred”. (”Street”, “revolutionary”, or otherwise.)

A weasely pimp for power. Standard model.

profitsbeard on April 23, 2008 at 9:51 AM

What folks must understand is that the Weather Underground intended to murder as many soldiers as possible with a nail bomb at an NCO dance at Ft. Dix NJ. Thank God those dirt bags accidentally detonated the bomb and killed themselves. Too bad Ayers and his wife were not among those killed. He and his wife are detestable people.

Money shot @ 7:30 minutes.

“No innocent Americans, at least among the white ones. All are guilty and legitimate source of attacks.

America deserves a taste of what it has been dishing out.

Wanted to deliver the most horrific hit the United States had ever suffered on its territory.

Bring the war home. We wanted to make America unlivable. ”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAEruNACFh0&feature=related

moxie_neanderthal on April 23, 2008 at 10:08 AM

Chaos is alive and well! We await orders from our Commander and Chief, Rush Limbaugh…

sabbott on April 23, 2008 at 10:11 AM

At least Ayers and Dorhn didn’t bomb any abortion clinics.

Akzed on April 23, 2008 at 10:25 AM

How proud was his wife with this association?

bbz123 on April 23, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Dude, McCain is part of the problem…

Understood, Dude, but we’re down to the lesser of evils here.

Granted, it’ll still be an evil, but it’ll be a lesser one.

OK, Dude?

Corky on April 23, 2008 at 10:39 AM

“No innocent Americans, at least among the white ones. All are guilty and legitimate source of attacks.

I guess a double suicide would be too much to hope for from this lovely couple?

funky chicken on April 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Wow. I heard some of that ayers audio on Hewitt yesterday. Unbelievable that it’s not been widely disseminated. Guess that’s happening now, and I’m glad it is.

One of the things that bothered me most when first hearing about this ayers stuff is the way that Chicago’s daly(sp) came out in support of ayers, and said he was pleased to work with him in ayers’ position as one of the heads of EDUCATION?!?!EleventyLeven

So this unrepentent(as if that actually matters) radical leftist terrorist is in charge of eductating the youth of Chicago? Man, that’s f*k’d up right there.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 10:48 AM

More on the robbery mentioned by Ed:

Fellow weatherman members Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert were convicted for their involvement in a Brinks robbery that resulted in the killing of three people (a Brinks guard and 2 policemen). (Kathy was earlier involved in the conspiracy to murder soldiers at Ft Dix but escaped after the March 6, 1970 Greenwich village explosion)

In 1981, when Kathy Boudin was 38 years old, she and several members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army robbed a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, in Nanuet, New York. After Boudin dropped her infant son, Chesa, at a baby sitter’s she took the wheel of the getaway vehicle, a U-Haul truck. Kathy Boudin waited in a nearby parking lot as her heavily armed accomplices took another vehicle to a local mall where a Brinks truck was making a delivery. They confronted the guards and firing immediately broke out, severely wounding guard Joe Trombino and killing his co-worker, Peter Paige. The four then took $1.6 million in cash and rendezvoused with Boudin.

An alert high-school student called the police after spotting the heavily armed gang abandoning the getaway vehicle and entering the U-Haul. A police officer spotted and pulled over the U-Haul, but they could only see Boudin in the drivers seat. Boudin then got out of the cab, and raised her hands.

The police officers who caught them testified that Boudin, feigning innocence, pleaded with them to put down their guns and got them to drop their guard; Boudin said she remained silent, that the officers relaxed spontaneously. After the police did lower their weapons six of the men in the back of the truck armed with automatic weapons came out of the back of the truck, surprising the four police officers. A police officer, Waverly Brown, was killed instantly. Boudin and David Gilbert, a Weatherman radical and the father of Boudin’s infant son, allegedly acted as decoys as well as getaway drivers: The Brinks robbers the police were searching for were all from the Black Liberation Army and drove a red car. Officer Edward O’Grady lived long enough to empty his revolver, but as he reloaded, he was shot several times with an M16. Ninety minutes later, he died on a hospital operating table. The other two officers escaped with only minor injuries. The occupants of the U-Haul scattered, some climbing into another getaway car, others carjacking a nearby motorist while Boudin attempted to flee on foot. An off-duty corrections officer apprehended her shortly after the shoot out. When she was arrested, Boudin gave her name as Barbara Edson.

Boudin was paroled in 2003.

A controversy arose as the victim’s family and others disputed whether she was truly contrite for her crime or instead was masking her radical politics in order to gain her freedom. Supporting this allegation was a statement, years earlier, from William Kunstler, a law partner of Leonard Weinglass, Boudin’s attorney. Kunstler had explained Boudin’s evolution from political activist to violent revolutionary: “I went to Bedford Hills penitentiary a few weeks ago and talked to Kathy Boudin. Kathy had reached a point where she thought, along with others, that non-violence was ineffective, and that you have to take the next step, into violence.” ,[10]

After eleven years underground, Gilbert was arrested in 1981, along with members of the Black Liberation Army and other radicals, after they killed three people in an armored car robbery. He is now a well-known prisoner in upstate New York, serving a 75 years-to-life sentence for his role in the robbery.

Boudin and Gilbert’s son, Chesa Boudin, is now a co-author of The Venezuelan Revolution: 100 Questions–100 Answers. In 2005 he worked as an intern on President Chávez’s foreign policy team, doing research for a master’s degree in Latin American public policy at Oxford University on a Rhodes Scholarship. He also is associated with a Chavez advisory group.

moxie_neanderthal on April 23, 2008 at 10:49 AM

It’s disgusting that they got away with conspiracy for murder and now have these high paying jobs. And why would Ayers father pull strings? Doesn’t anyone disinherit their kids anymore? These two were born rich and will die rich. For all their yammering, the 60s radicals were a bunch of rich white kids who returned to being rich white kids.

Blake on April 23, 2008 at 9:27 AM

Dead on target. Well said.

Seems to be a characteristic of the left. Rich. White. Spoiled. The ‘cool rich kids’ everybody thought they wanted to be like. Pathetic.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 10:51 AM

It’s racist to imply Obama has a Broadway Baby…

max1 on April 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Citizens of the state of Illinois need to contact the Senate Office of Obama to ask for a written explanation of their Senator’s association with these terrorist maggots.

All voters need to contact the Obama for President campaign to ask why we should vote for such a candidate.

Jaibones on April 23, 2008 at 10:59 AM

So this unrepentent(as if that actually matters) radical leftist terrorist is in charge of eductating the youth of Chicago? Man, that’s f*k’d up right there.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 10:48 AM

It’s not unlike the Islamist strategy of out-breeding the western world, and taking over that way. The leftists have taken over the university administrations that they used to take over violently.

Ayers writes books about how to brainwash little kids, gets tenure and community support from his ideological fellow travelers in the faculty and administration, is widely declared a “respected professor of education” and the circle is squared. And if you ask UIC why they employ a violent domestic terrorist, they tell you to file a Freedom of Information Act request.

Un-effing-believable.

Jaibones on April 23, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Dude, McCain is part of the problem…

Understood, Dude, but we’re down to the lesser of evils here.

Granted, it’ll still be an evil, but it’ll be a lesser one.

OK, Dude?

Corky on April 23, 2008 at 10:39 AM

You are correct that the lesser of two evils is still evil.

But who says that we have to tolerate the lesser of two evils?

Christians routinely pray “deliver us from evil”.

And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
Matthew 6:13

Christians, please continue to pray daily. It matters.

When I shut up heaven and there is no rain, or command the locusts to devour the land, or send pestilence among My people, if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Now My eyes will be open and My ears attentive to prayer made in this place.
2 Chronicles 7:13-15

Prayer works.
“When I shut up heaven and there is no rain”?
The area of NC where I live was under severe drought until churches started praying for rain. Coincidence? To some of you, yes. To me, no.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Ayers writes books about how to brainwash little kids, gets tenure and community support from his ideological fellow travelers in the faculty and administration, is widely declared a “respected professor of education” and the circle is squared. And if you ask UIC why they employ a violent domestic terrorist, they tell you to file a Freedom of Information Act request.

Un-effing-believable.

Jaibones on April 23, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Yup. This kind of thing has to be stopped. Aren’t ayers and his ilk the very definition of ‘traitor’? They’re openly advocating an insurgency, of all things. Violent uprising. How is this allowed to pass?

And it should completly destroy the big O’s chances in the general. It should destroy him in the primaries, but his blind followers either don’t see how dangerous he really is, or else agree with him and his radical leftist agenda.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Prayer works.
“When I shut up heaven and there is no rain”?
The area of NC where I live was under severe drought until churches started praying for rain. Coincidence? To some of you, yes. To me, no.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Your faith in Huckabee is misplaced. He’s much worse than McC. I’m not happy with our choices either, but either of the dems will speed this country along to destruction much faster than McC.

Buck up. McC will be a single-termer anyway.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Do we want to hear another verse of how Ayers and Dohrn somehow equate to Tom Coburn? Barack Obama seems to really believe that nonsense. That, more than anything, should really be the cautionary tale — that a candidate for President considers a sitting Senator with a distinguished medical career the political equivalent of an unrepentant domestic terrorist and an accomplice to armed robberies and murder.

Of course he doesn’t believe “that nonsense.” The Coburn line was simply the best distraction he could come up with, and it’s very lameness speaks volumes — not about oblivious ignorance to who Ayers and Dohrn are, but about the methods he uses to change the subject.

Audacity? Yes. Empty suit? Not by a long shot.

Could anyone, let alone someone as sophisticated as Barack Obama, chat with Bill Ayers for about 30 seconds and not know exactly where is coming from?

Nichevo on April 23, 2008 at 11:24 AM

The victims of the robbery are police officers, Edward O’Grady and Waverly Brown, and a Brinks guard, Peter Paige.

It would be interesting if someone like Hugh Hewitt or Hannity would interview the family members of the victims of the robbery.

We need to put a human face on the victims of Ayers and Dohrn. We need to see the human cosst of what these people stood for and were willing and capable of doing. Based on what I’ve read and heard, it is clear is that these terrorists are largely unrepentant.

Joe Trombino was Paige’s partner and received a number of gunshot wounds. One round entered his shoulder and nearly severed his arm. What takes my breath away is to discover he was the victim of a second terrorist attack.

Trombino survived his injuries and continued to work for the Brink’s company for the rest of his life. He was killed in the September 11 Attacks in 2001 at age 68

Trombino’s death was clearly tragic and helps underscore who these people are. It also eerily connects both terrorist groups in a way that spans the decades.

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=110632

moxie_neanderthal on April 23, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Buck up. McC will be a single-termer anyway.
techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Huckabee has made it clear that he will not run third party, and he is doing everything he can to support true Conservative candidates. (Talk about the company you keep, take a look at the candidates he is supporting with HuckPac… the company Huckabee keeps will tell you a lot about the man that Huckabee is)

I will vote for the Republican nominee in November. You just happen to think that it will be McCain. I believe God that it will be Huckabee and he will be the next POTUS.

McCain and Hillary are two peas in a pod. As “out there” as this for some of you, I believe that McCain actually intends to lose to Hillary on purpose. He wants her to be the next POTUS. He is playing his part in Hillary’s 2008 Presidential Game Plan.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 11:28 AM

I will vote for the Republican nominee in November. You just happen to think that it will be McCain. I believe God that it will be Huckabee and he will be the next POTUS.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 11:28 AM

You are most certainly entitled to your opinion and your vote. I just can’t agree that Huckabee is “God’s candidate” and the savior of the US. He’s further left and much weaker than McC on every level.

You support him because you believe your faith compells you to. I believe that faith is extremely misplaced.

Huckabee would be terrible for this country. As I’ve said before and I will leave it at this with you.

Do. Not. Want.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Blake on April 23, 2008 at 9:27 AM

Normally I’m not one for class envy, but your analysis is spot-on. These elitists wanted to drag the rest of us kicking and screaming into their perfect utopia, and they robbed people just like us to do it.
And they’re still not sorry, nor are they facing any consequences.

joewm315 on April 23, 2008 at 12:30 PM

I agree, this is a question he needs to answer. Obama needs to specifically address the fact that they remain unrepentant for what they did.

Spolitics on April 23, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Does the University in question receive and public funding? DO they have Alumni?

Why are these pieces of filth working there? As far as I’m concerned, they don’t need any public funding, and if I were an Alumnus I wouldn’t give them a red cent as long as they had terrorists on the payroll.

The academy in general is pretty jacked up, but this is ridiculous.

Merovign on April 23, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Wow. The NYT link does not work though and I’d love to see what their original report said in full.

Boudin and Gilbert’s son, Chesa Boudin, is now a co-author of The Venezuelan Revolution: 100 Questions–100 Answers. In 2005 he worked as an intern on President Chávez’s foreign policy team, doing research for a master’s degree in Latin American public policy at Oxford University on a Rhodes Scholarship. He also is associated with a Chavez advisory group.

moxie_neanderthal on April 23, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Boudin’s son Chesa was adopted by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dhorn. I betcha there was a pre-existing agreement to adopt Chesa between Bernadine “Broadway Baby” Dhorn and Boudin in case she was caught and went to jail.

I’d also love to know who the baby sitter was for Chesa while he waited in an upper west side apartment to be picked up by Boudin after the robbery.

We need to put a human face on the victims of Ayers and Dohrn.

Trombino’s death was clearly tragic and helps underscore who these people are. It also eerily connects both terrorist groups in a way that spans the decades.

moxie_neanderthal on April 23, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Well-said.

Buy Danish on April 23, 2008 at 2:26 PM

I forgot to mention how much I loved this line from John Kass:

Clinton and Republican John McCain have suffered scrutiny. The only one treated as an infant in swaddling clothes by the national media—until quite recently—is Sen. Change.

Buy Danish on April 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM

Hillary has to use this. She has no other choice. She can destroy Obama and then argue 4 years later “I told you so.” Inevitable.

Spoiled rich kids hanging out with murderers and radicals? Yeah, that will stick.

One way or another (Obama may get the nomination) the Messiah is finished. PA showed the way.

whiskey_199 on April 23, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Boudin’s son Chesa was adopted by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dhorn.

You are correct. You can actually get his book on Amazon or listen to audio clips of him speaking online. He’s a clear apologist for Hugo Chavez.

Obama is dead in the water if the bigger narrative is ever delivered in a political add.

Everyone is familiar with Charles Manson and the butchering of a pregnant Sharon Tate is no laughing matter (unless your Bernadine Dohrn). But I digress.

The Ayers/Dohrn narrative is obvious and should be expanded to include all of the Weathermen activities. Ayers and Dohrn were leaders and spokespersons for the group so they own it en toto.

In today’s post 9/11 environment, bombings, threats, conspiracy to murder soldiers and the brinks murders are all going to resonate among large segments of the population. Any campaign message has to dispel the mythology that these were well meaning kids that while they bombed buildings, no one was ever hurt. This is not terrorism lite.

In all, this is a compelling narrative and should include how Joe Trombino barely survived the Weatherman brinks robbery while his partner was shot dead. Trombino was later killed on 9/11 while making a Brinks delivery in the garage of the Twin Towers.

Then include Bill Ayers quote regarding how he wished he’d done more (bombing).

This neatly connects the weathermen terrorist of yesterday to the terrorists of today while telling Joe Trombino’s story as a moving narrative.

One might want to include an interview clip with one of the family members of the slain officers of the Brinks job or Joe Trombino’s widow talking about the weathermen and the 9/11 attack.

Obama says he should not be held accountable for what someone said or did 40 years ago. Fine, Ayers and Dohrn like nearly all of the weathermen are not repentant and have continued to say outrageous things, simply pick one.

moxie_neanderthal on April 23, 2008 at 4:11 PM

This September 11, 2001 NYT article is worth reading.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ”Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at,” is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn’t actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ”it’s been quoted so many times I’m beginning to think I did,” he said. ”It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.

Ha Ha Ha. Marxist humor.

Buy Danish on April 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Huckabee is … further left and much weaker than McC on every level.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Don’t try to get away with saying that Huckabee is further left than McCain…Electoral Compass puts Huckabee further right than McCain on both economic and social issues.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 4:47 PM

“Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at”

Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.
Mark 13:12

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Obama is the messiah, and this sort of stuff is proof. His supporters, in large measure, shrug this stuff off as if it doesn’t matter. Of course, it DOES matter. The man hosted fundraising at their home! That’s more than an arm’s length association, no doubt.

Aa for the whole Coburn thing. ANYONE who could support Obama after that disgusting spectacle is, in my mind, someone who shouldn’t even have the right to vote to begin with. I mean- that attack on Coburn was over any line of decency, yet his supporters? “Ahhh…no big deal.” A mortal, non-messiah candidate would have been trashed mercilessly for such a sickening attack. Obama does it and gets more popular.

TheBlueSite on April 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Don’t try to get away with saying that Huckabee is further left than McCain…Electoral Compass puts Huckabee further right than McCain on both economic and social issues.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Hey Red, you put faith in the links you choose. I prefer to trust my own experience, eyes, and ears. I was watching and listening to the Huckster during his campaign. He said and did whatever he thought people like you wanted him to.

Feckless. I’ve seen too many manipulative power-hungry huckster preachers in my lifetime to trust him. He fits the mold perfectly, and he’s gonna have to answer to God for that at some point.

But like I said, you believe what you want. Just don’t expect me to.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM

But like I said, you believe what you want. Just don’t expect me to.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 5:49 PM

I don’t expect you to believe as I believe. I just want the truth to be told.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 8:11 PM

I don’t expect you to believe as I believe. I just want the truth to be told.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 8:11 PM

No. You want only your truth to be told.

techno_barbarian on April 23, 2008 at 8:54 PM

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