Waffle digested, Obama finally answers question about Carter and Hamas; Update: Hillary “obliteration” video added

posted at 4:04 pm on April 22, 2008 by Allahpundit

It took him an extra day, but the boss finally has the answer she was looking for.

“As I said before I think it was a bad idea for president Carter to meet with Hamas without having recognized Israel or denounced terrorism or acknowledged previous agreements given that they are not heads of state,” he told a Pittsburgh press conference.

“To sit down with them, I think it gave them a legitimacy that was unnecessary.”

Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas “has indicated his willingness to make every effort to sit down with” Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert,” Obama said.

“I think that’s where our energy should go. If we strengthen Abbas, if we are clear in improving the day to day lives of Palestinians then I think that will do more than anything to encourage Hamas to renounce violence rather than simply sitting down with them.”

Time for another round of distinctions without a difference. How does the Iranian mullahcracy differ from Hamas on any of these points except insofar as they possess the dubious “legitimacy” that comes with rigging elections to secure their own power by disqualifying candidates of whom the regime disapproves? If meeting with Abbas to improve Palestinian lives is the way to defang Hamas, why isn’t going over Khamenei’s head and meeting with Iranian reformists the way to improve the lives of Iranians and defuse the threat from Tehran? Simply as a matter of scale, why reward a terrorist outfit with international reach, including proxy armies in Lebanon and Iraq, by meeting with them while freezing out a relatively parochial outfit like Hamas? And if the answer to that question is that it’s precisely because of Iran’s reach that we can’t ignore them, then (a) that creates an interesting incentive for Hamas and (b) given Al Qaeda’s reach, we should probably be sitting down with Osama then sometime soon, no? Someone needs to push this guy on this subject because his talismanic invocation of statehood makes no sense, particularly when the left’s own gold standard for diplomatic legitimacy draws no similar line in deciding whom it’ll talk to.

Update: We’ve already had two separate posts on Hillary’s Iran saber-rattling so let’s just tack this on here, as a palate cleanser to Obama’s squishiness. Quote: “I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president [and they attack Israel], we will attack Iran.”


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If meeting with Abbas to improve Palestinian lives is the way to defang Hamas, why isn’t going over Khamenei’s head and meeting with Iranian reformists the way to improve the lives of Iranians and defuse the threat from Tehran?

AP, I’m sure Obambi will be happy to meet with said reformers once everyone has finished their halal Eggo’s.

Flyover Country on April 22, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Like many subjects, Obama is green. He tries to give just enough detail to make it sound like an intelligent response, but he seems to always go too far and look like the uninformed person he is.

At least he condemned Carter’s visit. That’s something.

natesnake on April 22, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Put this in context with Clinton’s Slim Pickens style approach to talking about Iran.

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2008 at 4:13 PM

if we are clear in improving the day to day lives of Palestinians

Gotta love the embedded Nanny State assumption that it is the job of the US government to improve the day to day lives of Palestinians. Here’s a thought, take some of the time and ingenuity spent building bombs and refurbish some greenhouses. If they were half as successful at building things as they are blowing stuff up they wouldn’t be in need of that international aid that just gets stolen anyway.

trubble on April 22, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Waaaaaay Off Topic:

If Obama does become president and we have this new wave of Hope and Change, will that include the availability of powdered sugar covered funnel-cakes 24/7?

That could be the clincher for me.

natesnake on April 22, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Does anyone know if Peanut’s Secret Service guy had to go with him? They must just despise him at times!

bernzright777 on April 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM

This is how you sound smart in a college class. This is how you bulls**t an essay question. This is how you win (or rather avoid losing) a debate when the other side is actually right. Obama is just a preppie and like all preppies he understands that its more important that you sound and look like you know what you’re talking about.

D0WNT0WN on April 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Barack Obama = Fake it till you make it.

D0WNT0WN on April 22, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Mr. Obama, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

natesnake on April 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM

natesnake on April 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM

*In Mr. Burns’ voice: Excellent

Weight of Glory on April 22, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Hell, even the wet behind the ears kid (or his advisors, at any rate) can identify that Carter made a jackass out of himself, at no time being anything even loosely described as “helpful”…

Wind Rider on April 22, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Mr. Obama, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

natesnake on April 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Nah, Obambi is SLICK and ARTICULATE.
He is also smart. And beautiful. Did i say he is Slick?

/AP

Aristotle on April 22, 2008 at 4:31 PM

And I thought only Bill Clinton could talk out of both sides of his mouth while eating a waffle.

“if we are clear in improving the day to day lives of Palestinians”……….

Would a better transportation system for Kassum rockets be considered an improvement? A better lunch program for “Explosive Vest” graduates?

Rovin on April 22, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Here’s a thought, take some of the time and ingenuity spent building bombs and refurbish some greenhouses. If they were half as successful at building things as they are blowing stuff up they wouldn’t be in need of that international aid that just gets stolen anyway.

trubble on April 22, 2008 at 4:15 PM

You mean these greenhouses?

As shown by the September 2005 occupation of Gaza by the Palestinians, this is not a joke but a statement of fact. The Israeli settlers had built a number of greenhouses in which to raise food and other agricultural products. When the settlers were ordered to leave Gaza, some affluent but misguided Americans (mostly Jewish) raised several million dollars to buy the greenhouses and turn them over to the Palestinians. [I say "misguided" because, as proven here, giving anything of value to any Islamic militant is like presenting a baboon with a delicite glass or china plate; you can expect it to be broken for amusement or out of sheer malice within the hour.] Within hours of the Palestinians’ occupation of Gaza, the greenhouses were RBP. It took the Palestinians but hours to turn the gardens they were given into barren and sterile deserts. Now, of course, terrorist Mahmoud Abbas will be whining that he needs money from the United Nations, Europe, and of course the United States because he is unable to feed his people.

News2Use on April 22, 2008 at 4:36 PM

“I’ll have my terrorists meet their terrorists and just hash it out over a few schwarmas, no problem.”

NoDonkey on April 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM

What’s his deal with the Government improving everyones lives?
Can’t it just stay out of my way so I can improve it for myself?

ronsfi on April 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM

“I’ll have my terrorists meet their terrorists and just hash it out over a few schwarmas, no problem.”

NoDonkey on April 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Brilliant!

Obama lied and now hope has died.

moxie_neanderthal on April 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM

they possess the dubious “legitimacy” that comes with rigging elections to secure their own power by disqualifying candidates of whom the regime disapproves?

Heh. No wonder Obama approves of them. Same campaign tactics.

nukemhill on April 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM

And I thought only Bill Clinton could talk out of both sides of his mouth while eating a waffle.

Well, according to Monica, that wasn’t a waffle he was eating…!

nukemhill on April 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM

“To sit down with them, I think it gave them a legitimacy that was unnecessary.”

Can Barry ever say something declaratory without slipping around the edges?

Like: It gave them a legitimacy that etc…

What a weasel.

benrand on April 22, 2008 at 4:47 PM

The most interesting part of both Demos promises is that neither “One Sabre, One Shot, and One Beer” or the non-Muslim Candidate will pull the troops out of Iraq. In fact, the chances of the USA being there for one hundred years with a draft would be a Demo getting elected. They have proven in the past that their exit strategy is drawn out and bloody. They have no clue how to deal with a war other than trying to make it fully political and get votes for blood.

Hening on April 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Improve their lives. There is the Michelle Obama meme…’we can fight terrorism by investing in the education system in other countries’ (Couric interview).

No thanks.

Limerick on April 22, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Bah- drives me nuts when Fatah is cited as the Great Palestinian Hope for peace. Fatah is the PLO rebranded. They still support, fund and collaborate with the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade terrorist group and still seek the ultimate destruction of Israel as their ultimate goal.

Fatah is Hamas with better PR savvy. Nothing more.

Hollowpoint on April 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM

That we’re … instead of protecting ourselves against terrorists, that we’re building diplomatic relationships and we’re investing in education abroad so that we’re making sure that kids are learning how to read as opposed to … fight us.

Here…

Michelle Obama

Limerick on April 22, 2008 at 5:04 PM

News2Use on April 22, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Those are precisely the greenhouses I was talking about. ;-)

Nah, Obambi is SLICK and ARTICULATE.
He is also smart. And beautiful. Did i say he is Slick?

/AP

Aristotle on April 22, 2008 at 4:31 PM

You forgot clean. Joe Biden would disapprove.

trubble on April 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM

AP! You didn’t give a cackle warning!

jgapinoy on April 22, 2008 at 5:19 PM

apparently neither one of these buffoons are willing to understand that if they throw their hole card out on the table even before they might be elected it not only gives Iran the power key to manipulate the outcome of any conflict they have with Israel but any ability they might have had to manipulate any different result goes down the river with their cards and what they use to sit on their paddle-less kayaks with.

Play it close to the vest or loss the vest.

These cards unfit for command? In spades.

Speakup on April 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM

This is how you sound smart in a college class. This is how you bulls**t an essay question.
D0WNT0WN on April 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Right. But even then you don’t have the luxury of “I’ll get back to you tomorrow.”

davidk on April 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM

if we are clear in improving the day to day lives of Palestinians”……….

But we can’t continue to improve the day to day lives of Iraqis, because, um, we need some of the three-hundred trillion, 60 bazillion dollars we spend in Iraq every day to improve the lives of Palestinians.

Thank you and pass the arugula, um, I mean waffles.

Nichevo on April 22, 2008 at 6:20 PM

He’s making a shamless play for all the Dems who voted for Waffles in 2004.

saint kansas on April 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Ironic, isn’t it.

Carter meetswith Abbas gives legitimacy to Hamas (BAD)
Obama meets with Ayers to gain some legitimacy/street cred (GOOD!!)

HarryStar on April 22, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Even Obama’s suit is embarrassed to be around him.

profitsbeard on April 23, 2008 at 12:33 AM

Holy Moly! I have to admit that I loved the tough talk from Hillary Clinton there. I like that. If you attack our friends, we’ll obliterate you.

p40tiger on April 23, 2008 at 6:10 AM

Truly an Obamanation.

Ernest on April 23, 2008 at 2:22 PM