Video: New, lame “Willie Horton” attack ad against Obama debuts
posted at 12:30 pm on April 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Not only “Willie Horton” in tone but in pedigree: The guy behind it, Floyd Brown, was also responsible for the Dukakis ad. How lame is this? Consider for starters that our own runner-up in the Republican primaries this year is considerably more compromised on this point than Obama is, which makes it hard to throw stones. Beyond that, the potency of the Horton attack on Dukakis lay in how shocking the circumstances of the release were: Only the bleeding hearts in Massachusetts, the thinking went, would be so naive as to give weekend furloughs to convicted murderers. The best they can do here against Obama is to note that he wants killers locked away instead of executed. Big difference. Most importantly, though, why on earth would you waste energy trying to tease out a connection between Obama’s position on crime and foreign policy when you already have plenty of ammo against him on the latter point, starting with his willingness to negotiate with any group of terrorist cretins that happens to have its own state? If opposing capital punishment makes one ipso facto weak on terror then our own Ed Morrissey had better have his hawkish credentials re-checked pronto.
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Yikes! I’m a softy! ;-)
Ed Morrissey on April 22, 2008 at 12:34 PM
I support keeping the death penalty as an option. I don’t buy that it will fix what’s wrong with our inner cities. I give this a resounding fail.
joewm315 on April 22, 2008 at 12:37 PM
I’d say this was far more disturbing about Chicago. In both cases, though, I’d blame Daley more quickly than Obama. How could a kid be shot five times in the back when there’s a ban on guns? How could there be 32 shootings in a gun-free zone? I digress.
Excellent point about Huck.
MadisonConservative on April 22, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Wow! That is so weak.
It’s as weak as the original Willie Horton ad, and you know how badly that one flopped.
Take heart Allah (may I call you Al?), Rome was not destroyed in a day. You can kill a man with paper cuts just as surely as you can kill him with a sword. You just have to be consistent and stay focused.
Kasper Hauser on April 22, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I’m sure glad Allahpundit is here to defend Obama.
I really am.
No, really.
wise_man on April 22, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Allah’s remarks related to Huck don’t make sense, he’s out. McCain is all we got left. I don’t see the relevance in downplaying Obama’s (And Ed’s!) wimpiness here. I say, pile it on, in the end it all adds up to more criminals on the streets (or wasting money on them for life sentences).
kirkill on April 22, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Heretic!
Weebork on April 22, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Kasper
The original Horton ads worked very well, first for Gore & then for Bush.
jgapinoy on April 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM
It should resonate with the families of crime victims. Besides, it’s another piece in the puzzle that is Barack Obama. A puzzle that’s starting to reveal a pattern attractive to the idealistic, but not to everyday Americans with real-life problems.
And to someone whose real-life problems include genuine urban terrorism, it should be pointed out that Barack stood against justice for them.
RushBaby on April 22, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Did anyone notice that death was misspelled dealth?
rjkitch13 on April 22, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Politics is an ugly business, AP, between now and November it will get even uglier.
I absolutely believe it would be a disaster to allow Barrack Obama to become President and therefore, I support using whatever strategies will most effectively block his entry into the White House.
I have no doubt that far worse garbage will be spread about McCain between now and the Election by MMfA and their ILK, so I don’t begrudge the right wingers a few spots like this.
To the point of:
It was an effective strategy against Dukakis.
I would rather win ugly than lose pretty.
JayHaw Phrenzie on April 22, 2008 at 12:47 PM
weak ad
bnelson44 on April 22, 2008 at 12:47 PM
What’s fair is fair. There are plenty of conservative blogs that will defend hack jobs like this ad. Read ‘em if they make you happy.
Allahpundit on April 22, 2008 at 12:47 PM
I hate to break it to you, but negative political ads are not designed to make everyone sit back and say “fair point.” They’re designed to demonstrate that this particular candidate doesn’t represent your attitude. It’s not even saying your attitude is noble. It’s saying this person doesn’t represent it.
RBMN on April 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM
It all depends on how ugly. Besides, the objection here isn’t that this is ugly, it’s that it’s stupid.
Allahpundit on April 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Which confuses me…how can someone be a devout Christian, and be against the death penalty?
The ultimate sin is taking a life (yeah I know it is denying God, but that can be reversed on the “deathbed”), taking a life can never be forgiven on earth…only the party you commit the sin upon can relieve you of that sin.
The death penalty is just for many cases of extreme circumstances. Did Christ condemn the action of hanging the men on the cross next to him? Did he say how cruel? Did he ask their government for leniency? I guess I missed that part of the bible.
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 12:49 PM
“For those who oppose the death penalty, let me say that philosophically I agree, but I want our friends the murderers to go first.”
-(A Frenchman in the 19th century when this issue first arose.)
“Obama… weak… weak.”
Ad… weak… weak…
profitsbeard on April 22, 2008 at 12:49 PM
You don’t have to go out of your way to defend him, when there are so many other organizations and web sites doing that job so well.
wise_man on April 22, 2008 at 12:50 PM
I’m strapped for content and this was dropped in my lap. Why not write about it?
Allahpundit on April 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Give them a trial, and, if found guilty, fry them. Perfectly acceptable.
If you’re really trying to say Obama’s weak on gang violence, and that’s why you shouldn’t vote for him, then you haven’t been paying attention. He’s attack-ad gold, and this is what you put out? I’m kind of let down.
emailnuevo on April 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I’ve got no problem with that.
wise_man on April 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM
I sure hope someone is spending some time, and treasure, on defining our own candidate in a positive light, instead of spending it all on what is wrong with the other guy.
Limerick on April 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM
This is another example of the flawed Clinton thinking. Terrorism is not the same as crime, and should not be prosecuted as such. Plenty of politicians are weak on crime and firm on terror, and vice versa. Terrorism is an act of war, which is not the case for gang violence, etc. Attempting to equate the two makes for a weak ad.
BTW, I support the death penalty, as the recidivism rate is still 0% for those criminals executed.
Think_b4_speaking on April 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM
How about wanting someone who tells the truth and not plays partisan hack. Wouldn’t it make more conservatism more appealing if it continually stood on the side of truth, instead of political hit jobs.
terryannonline on April 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Actually, if you really want to thank anyone for the death penalty situation we have in Illinois, you can thank our illustrious former Governor and present prison inmate,. George Ryan. The SOB literally lifted the death penalty from certified animals who deserved it, just so he could try to save his own sorry political rear end. The fact that he is cooling his heels behind bars for the next six years shows how successful that endeavor was.
pilamaye on April 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM
The world doesn’t have to come to an end because some dude out there creates a negative ad about Obama.
This is the ad for McCain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-QYIP7o2-A
It shows John McCain in a positive light. Like I said, I have no problems talking about this ad, but it seems like the more pages like this we have to read, the more some might get the impression that ‘this is all republicans are doing’ or some such impression, as expressed by Limerick.
wise_man on April 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Even when I was a student and by definition a moonbat, I would never vote for anyone who did not support capital punishment — whether locally, state, or federal. Considering the problem with gang murders and especially since this weekend in Chicago there were a number of murders, I do believe the ad will have an effect. Obviously, some issues may not be important to everyone but don’t discount issues that are important to others.
Blake on April 22, 2008 at 1:02 PM
You’d sell your soul to the devil…if you believed in him.
Rick on April 22, 2008 at 1:02 PM
How in the name of all that is holy can one person on youtube who posts a Obama attack ad …. “conservatism?”
wise_man on April 22, 2008 at 1:03 PM
It’s a two-point attack. First, Obama’s weak on crime. Second, if you can’t trust him to be strong on domestic crime in his own city, how can you trust him to be tough on fighting terrorism?
amerpundit on April 22, 2008 at 1:04 PM
I would disagree with that entire statement. The gangs may not be setting off bombs in our cities, but they have destroyed neighborhoods, schools, and human life. They are domestic terrosists. Are you trying to say that it is okay to be tough of terrorism but soft on crime? Or visa versus?
Pam on April 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Who knows. Maybe Obama thinks that Terrorism is a nuisance. Maybe someone should ask him. As long as he’s not busy eating his breakfast.
wise_man on April 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Bloggers write about what interests them, and give their honest opinions. AP and I don’t work for the GOP or the McCain campaign. They have lovely websites, and if all a reader wants is Republican sunshine, they can find it there.
I oppose the death penalty because (a) it gets applied unfairly, (b) a number of people on Death Row were found to be innocent, (c) because I believe that the state has other acceptable means to keep murderers out of lawful society, and (d) because it costs more to execute than it does to keep people in prison for life.
None of this applies to the war. I have no problem stringin up Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or Osama bin Laden; they wage war against us, and that’s the consequences.
Ed Morrissey on April 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM
1st of all “2nd place is 1st loser”
Lets be clear hear…Huck’ can only be considered “our” runner up because 30 some odd of Romneys delegates went to McCain on 3/30. Romney had 286 Delegates…and with over 25% of the popular vote…Romney is clearly the true “runner up” for the Republican ticket.
Secondly…Is this a Repulican leaning group that put out this ad??? If not Gooood!!!! Great!!!! yeah for Rush and Operation Caos…. If so McCain will condem it and move on…
elraphbo on April 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Huckabee was the runner-up?
Dukakis personally advocated the furlough program for convicted murderers, so he was directly responsible for Willie Horton’s release. If people blamed the bleeding hearts of Massachusetts, they were only partly correct.
Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 1:08 PM
No, what I’m say is continually ads that smear someone else could reflect poorly on conservatives.
terryannonline on April 22, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Facts just keep getting in the way for Obama and AP.
I saw nothing but facts in this ad.
The ad sets up nicely the coming avalanche of “Obama is weak” ads. More like the trailer for the upcoming double feature.
faraway on April 22, 2008 at 1:09 PM
That breakfast is up for bid now.
Rick on April 22, 2008 at 1:09 PM
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No, but I am saying they should be approached differently. Terrorists don’t need trials, they should be shot or hung upon capture, like we used to do until 1945. Crime should be prosecuted according to the laws of the country. We can have a debate on the merits of the death penalty, life sentencing, etc, – I support the former – but we should not ever treat terrorism as a crime. That is how Billy screwed up in the 90’s and left us open to 9/11
Think_b4_speaking on April 22, 2008 at 1:10 PM
I agree with you. He was instrumental in videotaped interrogations, which was past due in Chicago, but on the other hand, he sat on the board that paid money to take handguns from the citizen’s that needed them to protect themselves from the gangbanger…
Pam on April 22, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Hate to reach across the aisle, and all, but without Allah (no offense Ed…you smacked down the Bryan loss), this place would be ‘repeat-after-me’.
Limerick on April 22, 2008 at 1:12 PM
That is a stupid, pointless ad. There are any number of reasons to believe Obama will be soft on the “war on terror,” but voting against the death penalty ain’t one of them. Lame.
Even lamer – complaining that Allahpundit is defending Obama. If I want some hack telling people what they want to hear, I’ll watch Olbermann.
Enrique on April 22, 2008 at 1:14 PM
I respectfully disagree. Whether Khalid Sheikh Mohammed kills Little Timmy in a bombing or if Bob Smith kills Little Timmy by shooting him, I believe they should both be executed. One’s an act of war and one’s a crime, but Little Timmy is still dead.
Again, just my 1 cent.
amerpundit on April 22, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Limerick, we can still try to run AP through our “re-eduction camp” though, right?
faraway on April 22, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Not looking too good here.
This ad -> National Campaign Fund -> Wewer Lacy LLP -> Response Dynamics, Inc
RDI sells lists of mailing addresses. They have been used a thousand times over to get seniors to donate money to various causes.
gabriel sutherland on April 22, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Absolutely!
Limerick on April 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Amen. Frankly, that should be the position of every self-identified conservative, in my view. You can’t be in favor of limited government, and also be in favor of the government having the power to take the life of its citizens. That’s contradictory.
Enrique on April 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM
How much is rope in your state? I’m sure you could get donated rope.
faraway on April 22, 2008 at 1:19 PM
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The conservative view is that the criminal forfeited his life when he commited the crime.
Think_b4_speaking on April 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM
For those of you in favor the death penaly. Good luck explaining you ideas of grace and forgivness to God…
The issue of the death penalty is so soooo sooooooo diluted.
The real issue is our criminal justice system and corrections faccilities…. When Life in prison mean’s life in a 6′x6′x10′ cage (picture mideval dunguns) then we can do away with the death penalty….
I am not in favor of killing people of my own society but in the absence of another succesfull form of justice I see no other choice.
Our ENTIRE system is too screwed up to make this work…(namely due to ACLU lawers and the 8th amendnment in the Bill of Bights) Just another part of our Constitution that needs to be brought up to date!!!
Ultimately I say let Man find salvation in jail..
elraphbo on April 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I would be infinitely happier to see this video played in place of the Obama attack ad linked on this page.
It says more about Obama and his lying, and exposes him for his shameful act in front of his cheering audience. Anyone can post a youtube spot. The republican party or John McCain is not responsible for this spot.
The video I linked is what McCain is doing.
The video linked at the top of the page is what some person is doing.
How about we treat this as what one person is doing, and not let this swerve into what (all of)”conservatives” are doing?
Just a suggestion. I don’t like those other conservative sites anyway.
wise_man on April 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM
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Funny, but our criminal justice system, including the death penalty, is based on biblical principles, so I don’t think we have anything to worry about there….
Think_b4_speaking on April 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Floyd Brown has a passion for making a fool out of himself. Most of his stuff is just junk that doesn’t help whatever candidate Brown says he is supporting. Brown takes credit for defeating Dukakis and that was always a crock. Obama should be debated on the issues, not some foolishness.
Larraby on April 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM
jgapinoy–”Kasper, The original Horton ads worked very well, first for Gore & then for Bush.”
JayHaw Phrenzie–Kapser, It was an effective strategy against Dukakis.”
Yes, I know. I was stating the opposite of what was reality to highlight the flaw in Allah’s argument that the ad was too “weak” to be effective. It’s called being sarcastic, or sardonic or cynical or ironic or nuanced or something–one of those “smarty pants” ways of being funny.
Kasper Hauser on April 22, 2008 at 1:26 PM
If people want to go after Obama for being weak on crime there are much more current issues than what happened in 2001. There have been numerous school shootings in Chicago recently, and this happened last weekend:
Weekend of rage – CRIME WAVE- 32 shot in city, six of them fatally, since Friday
Mayor Daley, and another F.O.B. (Ayers), links the crime spree to warmer temperatures.
How’d you like to be the cop on this beat?:
Who will ask Barry:
Senator Obama, do you approve of this strategy and what’s your latest position on gun control?
Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 1:32 PM
If prisons were, what I consider, prisons (23 hours locked up alone with 1 hour alone to exercise, and NO parole) then I might be convinced to abandon the death penalty. Of course everyone will throw out the cost of such a system as not realistic.
Prisons are just like the fence. Over-engineered and over-priced. I’m not saying keep them on Devil’s Island but making prison a 100% removal from society would cure, IMO, a lot of the criminals from attempting to get a second dose of it. Instead we give them libraries, TV, and time to chat with their buddies. The hell with that. No books, no radio, no TV, no conversation.
You stay here, alone, until your debt is paid. For murderers that debt isn’t paid until they die alone. If they go nuts in the meantime then that is their problem. They should have thought about that before they shot some poor Joe in the head.
Limerick on April 22, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Ed Morrisey is against capital punishment and he’s against Ann Coulter and he wants to extend protections to Carter.
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In what way is he Conservative?
FactsofLife on April 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Thank you for that.
You’re a maverick, like McCain. Except I’m guessing that you dance better.
If our usernames weren’t already nicknames, my nickname for you would be “Jiggy” or “Flashdance.”
And yes, people who go around calling people all kinds of oddball names are one of my pet peeves. I even get on my own nerves!
The Race Card on April 22, 2008 at 1:38 PM
The ad obviously doesn’t work with death penalty opponents, but that’s not who it was designed for. It was no doubt designed for blue-collar “beer and a ballgame” Democrats, and if you tested it, you may find that it worked.
RBMN on April 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM
I’m with Ed. Suggested alternative. Life sentence, no parole, hard labor, isolation. Minimal living comforts. Limited communication. Freedom only if found not guilty on retrial. Sentence begins immediately after verdict.
a capella on April 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM
well Think_b4_speaking if you’re willing to put your salvation in the hand of a system that let’s Thousand of child molesters, Rapists, murdurers and repeat offenders walk the street and say
then you show your naivity… All I’m saying is Make prisons more unbearable…
read Viktor Frankl’s book Man’s Search for Meaning.
I am devoutly Christian and I used to be all in favor of the death penalty…but there is more involed than meets the eye….
1st we should lable some people “Beond Rehabilitation” (BR) and stop trying to rehabilitate every criminal…. it is a chasing after the wind to do otherwise.
2nd if there are those who are BR and Mental cases they should be in seperate places too….
of course there are just bad people too….
All in all…we need punishment, justice and rehabilitation. But MAN should tread lightly when making the desision to take life away from another.
elraphbo on April 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM
The ad further exposes Barack Hussein Obama’s kneejerk positions on racial preferences:
Over 85% of black murderers kill black people. Do those victims not matter? Barack Hussein Obama is repeating a “BigLie” that black men are more likely to end up on death row. The truth is they are far less likely.
What about the victims? Why doesn’t Barack Hussein Obama care about black crime victims?
No… “fairness” over function.
DANEgerus on April 22, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Wait, because the Huckster is lame on punishing murderers I can’t call Obama a criminal coddler? Oh, no you don’t. I don’t go for communal guilt or whatever it is.
funky chicken on April 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Sorry I can’t spell today…I just left the optometrist and my eyes are still dilated or whatever from that yellow junk.
can’t there be a spell checker button on this thing???
elraphbo on April 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM
According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented. NYT 11/18/07
There is also the benefit that those executed do not murder prison employees, other prisoners, or escape and murder civilians. Those of you who are more concerned with the lives of murderers than the lives of innocent people — shame on you!
Blake on April 22, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Add and order murders from inside prison.
Blake on April 22, 2008 at 2:04 PM
It’s campaigning, and effectively done. Who isn’t disturbed by the violence in Chicago, and that Obama, someone in a position to help his victimized constituents, has absolutely no play in minimizing Chicago gang violent terror on the local population? If there’s any attribute shown, it is that Obama is at best ineffective, at worst “out of touch”, the very label he eschews.
maverick muse on April 22, 2008 at 2:10 PM
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What? My twisted logic filter must not be working well today, because I cannot make any sense whatsoever out of what you are saying. My salvation is not based on the criminal justice system, if that is what you are saying. Murderers getting back out on the streets is my problem? I would think that murderers getting back out on the streets pretty much confirms my argument quite well….
Think_b4_speaking on April 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Use Firefox instead of I.E. and your wish will come true. You can also use Control+ to magnify things until your eyes get back to normal.
Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 2:15 PM
This isn’t an ad for McCain, it’s for the death penalty. For that is it emotional and about as effectively as any of them are. It generated discussion, so it worked.
I can go either way on it. I favor it myself, but I am more than willing to drop it to enlarge the Republican tent to include those who are only comfortable if the party opposes it.
As Antonin Scalia pointed out, the Bible is quite clear that “the government does not wield the sword in vain.” (Romans 13). In heinous cases where there is no doubt whatsoever of guilt, then it is a just punishment and provides a sense finality to the loved ones of the victims in that justice has been served.
pedestrian on April 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Which innocent people are you talking about?
a capella on April 22, 2008 at 2:28 PM
The ad would have been stronger if it had ended with the first “when the time came to be strong…” tagline.
And if they hadn’t misspelled “death.”
Slublog on April 22, 2008 at 2:31 PM
That’s not conservative, that’s simplistic and foolish. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? As Ed pointed out, many people on death row have recently been exonerated thanks to new DNA evidence. Ed also noted that the death penalty is applied unfairly. It seems safer to err on the side of caution, and abolish the death penalty. As a conservative, I also err on the side of limiting government power.
Why is it that some “conservatives” belief in individual rights doesn’t extend to individuals accused/convicted of a crime?
Enrique on April 22, 2008 at 2:35 PM
And one other thing…
How can any Christian conservative be in favor of the death penalty? After all, Jesus was sentenced to death capriciously, with insufficient evidence.
Enrique on April 22, 2008 at 2:38 PM
I disagree, AP. The American public writ large has take a decidedly anti-criminal view since the 70’s. I think anything that points out Obama true character can only be detrimental to him in the general.
And I think you over-reach in drawing the Horton connection. This ad simply states that in an area where most Americans view a proper repsonse for such violence is the DP, Obama disagrees. Maybe not the top issue on any ballot, but certainly another piece of the puzzle that is Barry O.
VolMagic on April 22, 2008 at 2:50 PM
nice!!! Thank you Buy Danish
As for YOU “Think_b4_speaking” read your Bible
you wrote
NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT????? Really what planet are you on? the thing is you’re just flat out wrong Our Criminal justice system IS NOT base on biblical principles. at least not enough to support your idea that you have nothing to worry about….
elraphbo on April 22, 2008 at 2:52 PM
which makes it hard to throw stones.
Grow a pair.
pabarge on April 22, 2008 at 3:00 PM
So much for big tent.
SouthernDem on April 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM
I had some really, really valid comments to make a while back, but when I tried to leave them it seems my password expired or somesuch. Anyway, that was hours and a different computer ago.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on April 22, 2008 at 3:22 PM
And so (elitist) European/liberal. But I still love you E.
“I get onto my own nerves” – The Race Card, that is hilarious :)
Entelechy on April 22, 2008 at 3:46 PM
*blush*
Enrique on April 22, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Being against the death penalty does not make one weak on terrorism necessarily but it is another piece of the puzzle in regard to Obama. Liberals are generally weaker on crime and that is fair game, the ad should have gone into more detail on that.
As for Ed and Allah, they have been wrong before and they will be again, no big deal.
echosyst on April 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM
You should always be able to smear a lying, unamerican scumbag like Obama.
It’s the only moral thing to do.
TexasJew on April 22, 2008 at 5:20 PM
I don’t get it, the ad shows several people killed in gang related activities, then shows that Obama voted against legislation to expand the death penalty for gang related murders. Where is the controversy? At least Ace completely demolishes the commentary here.
Capitalist Infidel on April 22, 2008 at 7:24 PM
I am opposed to incarceration for the following reasons:
The man falsely accused but convicted of rape has spent 10-15 years in prison until DNA came along and exonerated him. The state can award him hundreds of thousand or million of dollars but they can never make him whole nor replace those lost years. That’s why I oppose incarceration.
What’cha say Ed, Enrique and others.
tom scott on April 22, 2008 at 9:14 PM
THIS IS A FANTASTIC AD. ALL OF YOU AGAINST IT ARE IDIOTS!!! GANG VIOLENCE WILL END WHEN THE HARDCORE GANG MEMBERS ARE DEAD, JUST LIKE IN ANY WAR. DO YOU THINK AFTER SCHOOL LUNCHES AND JOB PLACEMENT PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO END IT? WHAT AN EMBARASSMENT COMING FROM A SUPPOSED CONSERVATIVE SITE.
YOU ANTI-DEATH PENALTY PEOPLE WITH YOUR “WHAT WOULD JESUS DO” B-S ARE LAUGHABLE! GO DOWN TO THE INNER CITY AND TELL THEM ABOUT JESUS. SEE HOW LONG YOU LIVE.
revolution on April 22, 2008 at 9:31 PM
I don’t think this ad is that weak. Sure you have to ignore Hillary’s own softness on crime. I don’t know, maybe I’m comparing it to Hillary’s other ads that have been extremely weak, but someone has to point out Obama’s tendency to suck up to criminals while holding hard working Americans guilty of every sin on earth.
Dollayo on April 22, 2008 at 10:09 PM
And if not for that, Christianity itself would not exist.
I can’t tell you how much I enjoy people complaining about the killing of Christ. If you understood that the foundation of Christianity rests on the fact that he was sent here to die so as to redeem man’s sins. If He dies of old age, the whole thing falls apart.
Pablo on April 23, 2008 at 12:53 AM
So you’re equating Jesus with gang murderers.
I’m not even a Christian and I find that unbelievably stupid.
I’m proud to live in a state where we kill those bastards and dump them in a hole.
TexasJew on April 23, 2008 at 6:29 AM
“Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, you do to me.” (Matthew 25:40)
There is nothing more “least” than a guy shackled at the feet and hands with three guards on him. There is no “self-defense” in that situation.
Ed gives a secular conservative spin to opposing the DP, with which I whole heartedly agree. But to the commenter earlier who asked how a Christian can oppose the death penalty, I’d refer you to the Pope, the Patriarchs, the early Church fathers, I don’t know, Jesus, etc.
There are a number of conservative and thoughtful angles of attack on the DP. If we don’t trust the government with our mail, why are we so anxious to trust them with our fellow citizen’s lives?
HerrMorgenholz on April 23, 2008 at 7:41 AM
Here’s something i’ve noticed,I don’t see the ad as racist!
If you watch Obama’s speech from yesterday from Indiana,
after the vote,he was directly talking to African Americans
on “this is our time”!
Thankfully,thank g!d this is the Democrat’s nominee!
canopfor on April 23, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Ya’ll a bunch or racists! heh
I thought the point was valid. Barry comes out of a lefty group that would look at a gangbanger as a victim. If said gangbanger is also a killer, it’s probably white societies fault. If it someone else’s fault, why would you give capital punishment?
His foreign policy, such as it is, is more about feelings and good thoughts than reality.
This ad desmonstrates a mindset. Is this Barry or not?
More time will tell, I guess. To dismiss it out of hand for being racist is a stretch.
thatcher on April 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM
I think the ad didn’t go far enough. These were more than likely Obama’s constituents being killed by those gangbangers. It would be excellent to find the parents of one of the victims and have them talk about how Obama sided with the gangs and not them.
Personally, I think it is high time we started calling gang violence domestic terrorism, for that is exactly what it is. Innocent people are targeted for random violence and death, to make what is essentially a political point that “we own the streets here.” Gangs are a direct assault on America’s social order. Barack Obama doesn’t seem to mind that at all. But what do you expect from a guy that hangs out with Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright?
rockmom on April 24, 2008 at 8:51 AM
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