Video: Idiot blows the lid off the Obama/Osama connection
posted at 9:52 am on April 22, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Glanced at this last night on Drudge and wondered why he’d devote space on the Report to something so stupid. Then I watched the clip and it all became clear. We’re not talking stupid; we’re talking viral stupid. Dare I say it, we may be talking leprechaun stupid.
Don’t quit on it too early; the punchline comes at the very end. Exit question: Did this guy actually misspell “hmmm”? Click the image to watch.
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It’s Alan Keyes – I like him a lot, but misspelling his name makes you seem ignorant, when you’re not.
Also:
Stop using ellipses.
emailnuevo on April 22, 2008 at 11:54 AM
‘He said none.’
Shock of the day.
Typhonsentra on April 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Would he be concerned if Obama was mowing his yard and picking up pieces of wood leaning against his church (which needs to be attended to, it is a house of the Lord)?
Don’t be coy, he is concerned that a man of a faith he does not respect will be elected to a political office. You don’t have to “discuss politics” to put an obvious political message out.
That’s like the NYT saying they are not liberal and then printing a series of expose on McCain…I guess they are not political either?
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Again, he’s being picked on for stupidity. The protesters were stupid too. The sign isn’t racist.
You’ve said this twice now. Your opinion has been duly noted. You don’t believe in Democracy. OK. Luckily we live in a Republic, and the popular vote doesn’t always determine the presidency.
The pastor is being disgraceful. Fortunately HA posters don’t support all men who claim to be men of God. The comment wasn’t cherry-picked. The protesters were talking to him about it in a rather lengthy discussion. He brought it up again when talking to them saying, “you take away the B and add an S…”
The man is an idiot. Why are you defending him?
He even goes so far as to connect Obama to the 9-11 terrorists saying, “they were here for awhile before…” as though Obama is a Manchurian candidate. That stupidity is on par with 9/11 Truthers and should be denounced.
He’s probably not racist, but that doesn’t mean his sign and his words aren’t stupid.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 11:57 AM
This was, properly, a religious question. The insinuation was that Obama and Osama are both Muslims; were it a racial issue, Obama would either be considered a Saudi, or Osama an African-American. Being Muslim is not being black, or Saudi, or anything else – it’s being Muslim.
I don’t care how many black churchgoers call it a racial slur; it doesn’t make it so.
emailnuevo on April 22, 2008 at 11:59 AM
“We all know”, because the NY Times has told you so. They don’t read the NY Times in Jonesville, SC. They are discussing amongst themselves – as is their right.
They might be discussing things like:
1. Obama’s daddy was a Muslim
2. Obama’s Step-daddy was a Muslim
3. Obama’s brother converted to Islam and changed his name from Roy to Obongo.
4. Obama attended a Muslim school where he learned the Muslim call to prayer in Arabic (says its one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.)
5. Obama stopped calling himself Barry around the time of his secret visit to Pakistan in 1981 during his summer college break. Afetrwards he started fasting on Sundays.
faraway on April 22, 2008 at 12:00 PM
stop posting…what are you the grammar cop?…we look for substance on this site…not how good a grammar anyone uses or how well they spel…comment on substance…or just skim over my posts…I have been doing this for a couple of years…and u ar the first idiot to say sumthing…btw, i new wat Maxx was taking about…I don kneed the right spellin of Alex Keys to know who Maxx ment…get it stooopid?
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 12:03 PM
You need to watch some Jeff Foxworthy, because you clearly have no idea what a redneck is.
Rednecks aren’t just white trash and stupid people. There is so much more to them, specifically, the red neck. These are people who work outside and usually have a red neck unless they’re growing a mullet.
These are people with car parts in their front lawn, and shirts with the sleeves torn off. These are hicks (who may or may not live in the country, you’re right on that part).
But they’re not even necessarily stupid.
They might think marrying your cousin is a right of passage, but they’re not necessarily stupid or driven to conspiracy theories.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Oh, the irony is delicious.
emailnuevo on April 22, 2008 at 12:04 PM
If they know all of that, then they also know that he isn’t a Muslim.
And even though it is their right to post whatever they want on their board, it ceased to be merely their private discussion when it was put on that board.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 12:05 PM
By it’s very nature, Political.
Johan Klaus on April 22, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Oops… I did misspell his name…. my apologies to Mr. Alan Keyes. Here’s his website again, I’m a huge fan of Mr. Keyes.
Maxx on April 22, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Wow, that was embarrassing. Sorry, AP, I couldn’t stick around until the end. I experienced too much sympathetic shame for a man with none.
joewm315 on April 22, 2008 at 12:10 PM
The secret is in the Kool-Aid.
ronsfi on April 22, 2008 at 12:15 PM
AO can defend herself adequately, but her quote is significant. It is not a question of democracy, it is a question of competency. What is wrong with that? That is like someone stating the OJ jurors were incompetent, and then stating that is an anti-judicial statement.
The fact is, a huge number of uninformed is being sought after to elect a Democrat. Why do you thing they are so adamant about open borders, or they want prisoners to have the vote? Because they care? No, liberals depend on the uninformed to vote…that is their life blood.
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 12:16 PM
You’re a Truther Loon type, you add nothing to the political discussion or discourse because you believe lies and garbage, innuendo and gossip.
You’re a gossip girl primarily.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM
And a bit embarrassing for you…your apologies are accepted…
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM
How about that stereotyping? The kos kids are out today.
Johan Klaus on April 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM
A little name calling, eh.
Johan Klaus on April 22, 2008 at 12:24 PM
ronsfi and esthier, If you will admit that the reason you call the pastor an idiot is because he speaks the way millions of Americans do, then I will explain why I defend him.
One ill-advised line for a man that has probably never been on the TV news is not a reason to call him an idiot.
The reason I stand up for him is – He was very calm and stood outside being peppered with questions by the MSM and by a crowd of racists.
faraway on April 22, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Wow! The libs are crawling out of the woodwork on this one. Do they have an e-mail alert when White + Southern + Preacher is posted on the internet?
chief on April 22, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Maybe because they don’t expect perfection from every single guest here. I find some of the commenters here barely sufferable as well–particularly those who use “liberal” as an epithet when someone doesn’t toe every single Republican/conservative mark–and I’m sure the feeling’s mutual in some cases. The good outweighs the bad however.
On topic: this pastor is ignorant and so are the people in the video criticizing him. With the senator’s first two names being Arabic and the patronymic being Luo, both might have reacted differently had they engaged in this battle of wits while armed with that knowledge.
baldilocks on April 22, 2008 at 12:27 PM
april, the lies and innuendo you are referring to came from quotes in the NY Times and CNN. Typical truther sites. (Please don’t tell anyone I read those sites)
faraway on April 22, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Thank you and it is significant because voting loons affect all of us. I wasn’t discriminating, we have them voting on all sides of the political spectrum.
There have been loons posting here stating crazy lies and garbage about John McCain – that he was a traitor and sold secrets to his captors.
Loons like this should not be deciding who will be our new President.
If anyone has to lie to discredit a candidate on a church board or on a blog – continuiously, they have no right voting.
They are not a honorable American, they are an honorable Loon. I do not want them taking part in any major decisions that will affect me, my family and the rest of the country, the rest of you. That is a clear violation of my rights, your rights and the rest of my countrymen’s rights.
Their ignorant vote is affecting us or will affect us down the road.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Simply put, a pastor (by biblical standards) take care of his flock, they don’t get involved in politics. Christ was quite clear on that. So anytime I see a pastor “get involved” (not just casually mention in passing) in politics, I immediately suspect that he is not a very biblical person, or at least has a difficult time following the principles he teaches.
Really, it would do more good for his church if they were not distracted by this. Notice they had to take a vote, now wouldn’t you think meeting with someone in need, caring or praying for someone would be a better use of time? Christ thought so, I guess he just maybe forgot what and why he (pastor) was called to do.
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Do I detect a hint of prejudice toward rednecks? I might be a redneck.
Maxx on April 22, 2008 at 12:34 PM
A redneck is someone who is misinformed and refuses to accept the truth.
Overgeneralize much? So, I guess when liberals call you a racist for being a Conservative, they are correct too, just because some conservatives are racists.
I mean, you can’t blame them, can you? In their dictionary, ‘racist’ = ‘Conservatives’ who are, in fact, racist. I’m sure they don’t mean any Conservative friends they might have who aren’t racists.
Do you actually know any rednecks? Outside of what you’ve decided falls under that definition, ala Sen. Byrds “There be white nizzles too?”
I have as plenty of close friends who are smart self-identifying rednecks and don’t have anything approaching the self-satisfied, self-aggrandizing airs of their city-cousins. They don’t consider themselves better than their more “sophisticated” Republican brethren — just have a bemused, wry acceptance of the differences. Well, up until some asshat declares the word ‘redneck’ = ‘racist, inbred, sub-humans who don’t deserve to vote’. That tends to get their ire up.
krakatoa on April 22, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Listen you are clueless. You are what’s wrong with this country. The Lies, the cheating, the garbage, the smears, you should be ashamed of yourself.
But I’m sure you’re not, you revel in your silly, putrid, vituperating filth.
You are the example of what’s anti-American in America and quite frankly I’m sick of you Truther types.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Sorry guys, I was using a Manhattan definition, it was elitist, I apologize. :)
I was meaning someone who is just so hardheaded and ignorant they refuse to accept the truth or reality.
I guess I meant to say – imbecile, moron or idiot, not redneck.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 12:40 PM
First off, this made me laugh really hard :)
Clearly, though, they can’t be brothers. It’s not just one letter, it’s two. This isn’t a case of simply “replacing a ‘B’ and a ‘S’.”
They’re probably cousins.
loganthompson on April 22, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Like Democrats ? …. OK, all forgiven, I feel better now.
Maxx on April 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM
april, you sound bitter:)
faraway on April 22, 2008 at 12:43 PM
With you throwing your moronic 2 cents in who wouldn’t be. You are enough to make a saint swear.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Were you not posting here during the GOP primary?
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 12:47 PM
And I bet you dollars to donuts that that Pastor is a Republican and so is faraway.
These are not Democrats at all.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM
I’ll bet some waffles I just bought on eBay.
faraway on April 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM
I’ve been posting here since almost the beginning, what’s your point?
Maxx on April 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM
My point is that faraway is hardly a Dem. either is that Pastor. And the smears that were put out there about Mitt and McCain were just as bad.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Right. But I’m not the one that called the paster an idiot.
Maxx on April 22, 2008 at 12:59 PM
My assumption is that this pastor is a Huckabee supporter.
mattshu on April 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM
That depends on the denomination. Some will let you be a preacher if you just declare yourself one, others require an extensive education, including being able to accurately interpret from the original Hebrew and Greek. I am guessing he does not fall into the later group.
Buford on April 22, 2008 at 1:19 PM
OK, let me elaborate on the connection to “B. Hussein”. I think the argument that, well, his middle name happens to be Hussein is kind of weak. Obama also sounds like Osama, kind of. I mean it’s not like the pastor outright lies there.
The problem which most of people here have with him isn’t him being dishonest in any way but simply being stupid in his reasoning. It is stupid and bigotted to imply anything merely on the basis on his name, whether it’s literally Osama or something close. It’s equally so to infer anything from his middle name.
Also, I never said the majority called Obama “B. Hussein Obama”. I said it was a mainstream view here, which is to say acceptable to many. Like, the “The most distinctive feature of Obama is that he doesn’t know anything about capital gains taxes” line doesn’t have to shared by any significant percentage of visitors to HA. Most might argue there’re way more important things. But if I were to say that, most would be like, “Yeah, we see where you’re coming from. You’re right. It’s troublesome.”
freevillage on April 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM
No I don’t admit that. It’s WHAT he says, not the accent that I myself possessed at one time. The guy’s a bag o’ hammers.
ronsfi on April 22, 2008 at 1:26 PM
The same attack was launched against Omar Bradley.
Because of a silly name he has no control over.
Pure ignorance in action.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Wonder if Eugenie was equally embarrassed by the LA Times article that called Obama the “Magic Negro.”
fossten on April 22, 2008 at 1:33 PM
He’s not lying at all. He is operating from ignorance, as are his detractors in the vid who are calling his brand of ignorance racism. None of them know that one of the names is Arabic (not Islamic) in origin while the other is not.
I bet that none of them realize that there are Arabs who aren’t Muslims and non-American Muslims who aren’t Arabic.
That vid is simply a dumb-fest all around.
baldilocks on April 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM
That is not the Manhattan definition of redneck, it is the AprilOrit definition and I don’t know anyone else who defines it that way.
Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Yeah, if you are a transplant here from the South you know, but everyone else does not.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 1:38 PM
From my observations in these cases, usually neither side have there wits about them.
Johan Klaus on April 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Yeah, that was my first thought too. Pastor Otis Campbell there is clearly thick as a brick. But not racist, at least not based on this incident. Just a case of ignorance and stupidity all wrapped up in one tidy package.
ReubenJCogburn on April 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM
The real story here is the racial pandering inherent in that broadcast. Not a message displayed by a preacher at a 100-member church.
I would slap the crap out of you Obama apologists if I didn’t catch a hate crime for slapping Obama’s **** out of your mouths (credit Ace).
Jungliszt on April 22, 2008 at 1:49 PM
He’s like a Truther stupid as they come. Knows the truth, second guesses everyone, doesn’t believe it, think there is something deeper, something more there.
It’s a very John Birch Society mentality circa the 1960s. These kind of loons were rejected by all paries, including the GOP. William F. Buckley exposed them.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 2:00 PM
There are more idiots just like this guy all over the place. There are and always have been white churches willing to join the fray of racial agitation.
Churches are often homebase for villages full of idiots. They are also where places of solace and refuge and caring.
I appreciate the impact Christianity has had on America. But it easy to loathe the personal impact of some Christians on the image of Christianity.
The Race Card on April 22, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Sorry to sound light weight, but this clip had me rolling on the floor. Lighten up people!
leftnomore on April 22, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Expect the left to try and somehow link this episode to Sen. McCain.
The Race Card on April 22, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Actually, I am a lifelong New Yorker who moved South, not the other way around. I knew what a redneck was when I lived in Manhattan and I still know what a redneck is, and what it isn’t. It isn’t:
That just could define a liberal though.
Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Hilarious, it’s all fear based actually. Ace is most likely as afraid of Obama as the Pastor, or more, so he take’s it out on the blacks in the video who assume the Pastor is racial. Blame them, don’t blame Otis Campbell, because he’s the one standing tall against a suspect Muslim, freedom of speech, blah, blah, blah, no matter how ignorant Otis is. Otis’s wife and children should go out to the sign and take his hand and gently lead him back into the real world and save him his embassassment.
Let’s face it, it’s all very fear based. Most of these people are afraid that Obama will beat Hillary, thus the hysterical romp down Truther Lane, the grasping at straws regarding a name, all of it is deparate measures for desparate people.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Like I said, rednecks can be all types.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM
And I am curious – just what do you think is the truth about Barack Obama?
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 2:15 PM
You got it, and it’s wrong. If the most ignorant among us would just keep their foolish inaccuracies to themselves, the campaign season and life in general in America would be more enjoyable and fruitful.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM
I think one of the problems with BHO’s name is that even if it is part-Arabic this will encourage jihadists. Islam is and always has been a vehicle for Arab supremacy. Islam has universalist claims but it talks about Arabs as the “best of peoples,” and promotes the the Arabic language. Therefore having a US President with a partially Arabic name may seem like a sign from Allah to many Muslims.
aengus on April 22, 2008 at 3:13 PM
No they can’t. But you go right ahead and make up your own definitions to words.
That he’s a fabulist, a Marxist, and a follower of Black Liberation Theology (which is a bit redundant, since BLT is influenced by Marxism)? I’ve already said what I think about the secret Muslim rumors, if that’s what you’re referring to.^^^^
Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 3:13 PM
There’s no reason for you to assume that the uninformed don’t also vote Republican.
It’s a fact that very few people are actively involved in politics, either by regularly watching the news, reading blogs, or actually joining a campaign. So of course it will always come down to the uninformed voting based on whatever their logic is.
However, this is the system we have. Everyone, stupid or not, gets a vote.
I’m not criticizing April. I’ve felt the same way many times and understand the frustration that MTV “Rock the Vote” viewers might actually get a say.
But ultimately, I don’t want government interfering so much into the right to vote that it can actually decide who is and who is not educated enough.
Are you even reading my responses? I said more than once, that talking about his religion isn’t the problem.
Again, try rewatching the video. It isn’t just one line. He says it twice and then tries to defend it to very poor results.
Good for him for being calm. It still doesn’t excuse his ignorance.
Also, why are you doing exactly what you accuse the crowd of doing? You have no proof that they are racist, as they never said one negative word against people of other races.
They’re ignorant, as almost everyone on this thread has said, and somehow believe the sign is racist, but that doesn’t make them racist.
No apology necessary. I had a feeling that redneck, at least in some circles, is synonymous with “stubborn idiot” and just wanted to set the record straight.
Rednecks certainly can be stupid and stubborn, but as someone who knows some, I can say they certainly aren’t all that way any more than any other group.
The term “redneck” doesn’t even have to be negative. Though coming from Manhattan… well, there’s definitely a cultural divide. I grew up with ads for salsa that villianized New York City!
There’s a quote I’ve heard, but I forget who said it:
“The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who walk in the door and acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That, is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”
And really, it’s the same argument we give for Global Warming apologists. If it’s really true, then why do they act like it’s not? The same is certainly true of Christians.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 3:18 PM
We really can’t worry about that.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Oh, my. Are you really gonna try to make that a sticking point?
“Muslims might like his name so we’d best not elect him.”
Let’s not allow Islam to dictate our elections based on their preferences.
Uh, no. A New York idiot liberal could not ever be a redneck. I’m a redneck. I know.
As for the video, not all Southerners, white and black, are quite so ridiculous, thank God.
SouthernDem on April 22, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Hey I live in the South, and I had to defend a Redneck just the other day…Someone came and said he was no smarter then an ignorant goat, and I stepped right up and said, “oh yes he is”, that’s how highly we think of them rednecks…
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I assume I no one here is going to vote for him anyway. I’m bringing because it might be relevant if he wins in November, thats all.
aengus on April 22, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Heh, if he was really a redneck there’s no way he’d need anyone to defend him.
SouthernDem on April 22, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Excellent point and post.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Most of us are voting for McCain, I would hope.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Fair enough.
That’s always been one of my least favorite tactics of some in the GOP. “bin Laden supports them.” And now we let terrorists weigh in on our elections? Bleh.
SouthernDem on April 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Gee, Esthier, you would think you would read my post before commenting on it…where did I say the uninformed “don’t also vote Republican”? Sheeesh, is that a misstatement or are you trying to put words on the page that don’t exist, or…
Do you see the RNC trying to promote people imprisoned (not the brightest group around) to be able to vote? Do you see the conservatives opening the border (average grade, 6th grade in a hispanic school, meaning they go to school between crop picking), promoting driver registration (aimed at people not bright enough to register, or initiative enough to vote). The answer is NO, the dems want the un-educated to vote, the more the merrier, because they are the “give-away” party, those who can’t exist without government existence are by and large (emphasise large) liberals. Therefore, liberals depend on the uninformed, take them out of the picture and take them out of the conservative picture, and we would win by 15 points on every election…gee, ever see us (conservatives) elect a Marion Barry? Now I have made you a conservative, moved you from the uninformed to the informed…your welcome.
And please, read a post before commenting, it is embarrassing you…
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 3:37 PM
blockquote>And I am curious – just what do you think is the truth about Barack Obama?
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 2:15 PM
I think he is an inexperienced, pompous, and overbearing empty socialist suit who has built a campaign on trite and gaseous slogans with zero substance. He cannot speak without a tele-prompter and seems drawn to people who are of questionable fabric like un-reformed terrorists and unapologetic anti-American clergymen. He apparently believes that whites who hunt on Saturday,go to church on Sunday and happen to live in small rural towns only do so because the government has failed to provide for them.
Outside of that, he’s a nic guy.
sdd on April 22, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Go no further, best description of Obama, and you don’t need to know anything about his religion.
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM
My point exatly. There’s enough there to attack itelligently.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Whhops meant to say intelligently.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 3:43 PM
B. Obama is a Marxist, M. Obama is an anarchist, the guy with the sign is an idiot.
Entelechy on April 22, 2008 at 3:49 PM
One of the dumbest quotes ever presented, but expected…
So only the saintly can worship as a Christian now? Only the perfect?
Standards, goals, actions, repentence, backsliding, re-affirmation, un-conditional love, caring, understanding human failings, falling short but striving to continue, believing, changing, forgiveness, acceptance, 12 steps, praying and asking for help, challenges and strength and overcoming weakness; not all at once, but one at a time with God’s grace and the love of Christ…all means nothing to the non-believer because all they see is some failing to achieve what they perceive as perfection, and I sit in church and pray for the family next to me and they pray for me to have the strength to overcome whatever obstacles come our way…and if we don’t, then God give us the strength to try again.
No, the biggest cause of atheism isn’t caused by others actions, it is a choice not to participate on your own terms. Don’t blame others for your lack of faith…it is your choice, free will given to you by God to reject his love and sacrifice.
Typical atheist, blaming others for a decision they make…
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 3:50 PM
I do have to say though that Baracky the Movie is hilarious.
The part where they show Ted Kennedy throwing his arm up cheering is really too funny.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Please, read my own post, where does it say that you said that?
It doesn’t.
I wasn’t making that point. I was only making the point that we have uninformed voters as well.
I really don’t understand why you feel the need to be a b!tch to me or at all. More often than not I agree with you.
1. I’m a Christian, have been since I was five.
2. The quote is from a Christian, and it was used on a Christian song, which is where I heard it in the first place.
3. I wasn’t arguing that Christians must be saints, only that when Christians are hypocrites, atheists find confirmation in their beliefs.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 4:04 PM
You know it was in NYC that I discovered the phenomenon of the “Urban Redneck” who have never been farther than Jersey but are apparently qualified to judge that there is nothing and no one outside of NYC worth seeing or knowing.
ronsfi on April 22, 2008 at 4:05 PM
And your point is?
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Interesting term, but it makes sense. Unfortunately no matter where you are there will be people too closed off content in their own assumptions.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Well said.
ronsfi on April 22, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Call me a stalker, but I’m quite certain that Esthier is not an atheist, never mind a “typical atheist”. I’m pointing that out in case she has given up on this thread and does not see this charge.
We may not need to concern ourselves with his Indonesian experience, but his ‘church’ is definitely something that should concern anyone who is not a black separatist America hating Marxist.
Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 4:09 PM
In Brooklyn and the Boros they are veruy prominent. In the 70s if a black family moved into a white neighborhood in Brooklyn or The bronx, they would firebomb the house.
Still to this day you will meet some of the most racially motivated rednecks imagible living in NYC.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Exactly. Different accent, same mentality.
ronsfi on April 22, 2008 at 4:10 PM
This is way over some people’s heads.
Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Thank you. I don’t intend to bring up my faith all the time, but it has come out enough, that I figured it was part of my reputation.
Thank you both. I’ve always liked the quote. Whether or not people should judge Christianity by the actions of Christians, it’s clear that they do.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Sort of like global warming alarmist, huh?
Johan Klaus on April 22, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Hillary won in NY because many believed he was a Muslim I’m sure.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM
I don’t think she is either, but it is a typical atheist response…why should I go to church with a bunch of hypocrites type statement.
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 4:36 PM
esthier, it is an old joke, very old…southerndem caught it right away…over your head, but that’s okay.
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM
So you acknowledge that atheists think this way, yet still think my statement is stupid even though you agree with its premise.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM
I got the joke. It isn’t funny, and I still don’t see your point.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Don’t mean to “bitch”, just typing and working…
Hypocrites just happen to be one of those trigger words that people throw out without understanding how an overuse of a word diminishes its meaning.
Several people were not hypocrites in life…Hitler was not a hypocrite, he hated the Jews and stayed true to that passion, maybe Pol Pot was not one, Hamas is one group…the point is, not being a “hypocrite is worse then being one in some cases. If you “backslide”, you are not a hypocrite, if you are an alcoholic and you misstep and get drunk you are not a hypocrite. It is a word that atheists and non-believers throw out to show how “hypocrital” the church is, when they have no idea what that word really means, from a biblical perspective (which is the context).
Reserve that word for people who meaningfully go out and say one thing and do another, purposely as an act of leverage against others. Like a pastor telling others to give all that they have to the church, and he takes that money and buys a mansion and lives in grandeur on the backs of the sheep he has sheared.
It was a terrible name, used in the bible towards terrible people, not to be tossed around lightly…my opinion. Like overusing “bigot”, pretty soon it means everything and applies to everyone.
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM
McCain campaign and the RNC have condemned this fool.
AprilOrit on April 22, 2008 at 4:52 PM
It’s a redneck thing, not aimed at some one of your intelligence.
right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Not surprising considering their stance on the use of his middle name as a scare tactic.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM
So you’ve completely resorted to name-calling now and will in no way address the issues I brought up.
I’ll try to keep this in mind next time I’m tempted to in any way converse with you on another thread.
Esthier on April 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM
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