John McCain’s disability pay: Raise your hands if you object

posted at 5:57 pm on April 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Go ahead, raise your hands above your head if you object to John McCain’s disability pension. John McCain can’t do the same, thanks to the damage inflicted by Vietnamese torturers in Hanoi. He has constant pain in his knee and his back as well, significantly limiting his mobility. However, unless the Presidency requires a successful completion of an obstacle course every day, the Los Angeles Times’ questioning of his physical fitness for office seems ludicrous:

Sen. John McCain has long said he is in robust health and is strong enough to hike the Grand Canyon, but he also is receiving what his staff Monday termed a “disability pension” from the Navy.

When McCain released his tax return for 2007 on Friday, he separately disclosed that he received a pension of $58,358 that was not listed as income on his return.

On Monday, McCain’s staff identified the retirement benefit as a “disability pension” and said that McCain “was retired as disabled because of his limited body movements due to injuries as a POW.”

McCain campaign strategist Mark Salter said Monday night that McCain was technically disabled. “Tortured for his country — that is how he acquired his disability,” Salter said.

Certain types of military and veterans pensions are either partially or completely tax-exempt, depending on the seriousness of the disability. In McCain’s case, the exemption is 100%.

The LAT seems a little confused about this disability. Ralph Vartabedian doesn’t seem to know whether to complain about McCain having a 100% disability even though he can still walk, muse over its tax-free status, or suggest that a disabled man cannot handle the Presidency. As a result, the article meanders through all three issues and never really reaches a conclusion.

Let’s try addressing all three:

  1. The 100% disability from the military doesn’t mean that the person cannot work any longer at all, although in some cases it’s certainly true. It comes from a medical calculation of mobility and loss, handled by the Department of Defense. POWs who had been tortured certainly would have received a generous evaluation.
  2. The tax status of his disability pay is a rather stupid topic. He’s obviously not dodging his tax responsibilities. If the exemption exists, what’s newsworthy about it?
  3. Vartabedian might want to look back in history to another President with much more profound disabilities to determine whether McCain can fulfill his duties. FDR served three full terms and part of a fourth, mostly confined to a wheelchair, and he all but won a two-front world war.

Next foolish meme, please?

Update: Michael Koolidge interviewed McCain’s fellow POW, Joe Crecca, on the kind of torture and abuse received by McCain, Crecca, and others in Hanoi.  Take a listen to all three podcasts to discover why McCain has this disability pension.

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MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Amazing. Can’t even talk about Maverick without the lettuce picking, Juan McStrawberries schtick in the midst of a disgraceful assault by the lefty print press about his torture pension.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 22, 2008 at 9:17 PM

You are whining too much. You need to suck it up.

MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM

Sen. John McCain has long said he is in robust health and is strong enough to hike the Grand Canyon

Obviously, his legs were not injured at the Hanoi Hilton.

Being able to hike the Grand Canyon at his age shows he’s as fit as a fiddle. What a lot of people don’t realize from their limited visits to the South Rim is just how hard those trails are to hike.

If you stand at the South Rim and look down at the major trail (the Bright Angel Trail), you’ll see a flat, wide “sidewalk” leading all the way down into the canyon. Looks easy, right? Try hiking it, though.

When one descends (and that is the key word) the Bright Angel Trail, you are starting at over a mile above sea llevel in elevation, and then descending into an inferno where it’s 30 degrees hotter. Basically, you are “climbing a mountain in reverse”. In August, when I went down, you got to the end of the trail and it was 120 degrees, and then you had to climb back UP to the top.

On our way down, we laughed as we passed people huffing and panting as they ascended back from the canyon bottom. But we were not laughing when we had to do the same thing several hours later.

BTW we asked those people panting up as we went down how they were so well conditioned. Their answer? “We’re Marines”.

Del Dolemonte on April 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM

MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM

Poor taste. American Heroes deserve our respect when in a forum discussing pension benefits for torture victims. There will be plenty of opportunities to rip his immigration stance. Show some class, at least for a night.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 22, 2008 at 9:51 PM

This is going to backfire. Contempt towards the small monetary payment given towards the sacrifice our military endures is truly despicable.

Hening on April 22, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Poor taste. American Heroes deserve our respect when in a forum discussing pension benefits for torture victims. There will be plenty of opportunities to rip his immigration stance. Show some class, at least for a night.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 22, 2008 at 9:51 PM

You wouldn’t know class if it bit you on the nose.

As I said to you, oh one who thinks he is chosen, quit whining, suck it up (that’s military slang which means to just deal with it and quit complaining) and drive on.

MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 10:08 PM

and presumably their charitable donations are generous.

Did they mention his charitable contributions? He may be turning that money right around into a local Boys and Girls Club. Ya just never know and it’s all in how you spin it.

On his 2007 tax return he showed donations of $105,467 to charity, most of it to a family foundation that supports surgery for disfigured children and clears mines abroad. The contribution included all of McCain’s earnings from his books.

He paid 31% of his income in federal taxes, avoiding tax shelters and also avoiding deducting expenses associated with writing his books.

I am surprised to see the “reporter” didn’t include this financial info.

Yes, I am shocked shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment!

RDuke on April 22, 2008 at 10:16 PM

He spent time in the Hanoi Hilton,and was beaten,so
he gets a pension!Whoopi-doo!

McCains Crisis averted,bring on the next besmirching!

canopfor on April 22, 2008 at 10:17 PM

MB4,

You’re sounding bitter again. Wrong time, wrong place.

Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Nope, Don’t object to it a bit. Double it. Triple it. Make it a million dollars a year. He ‘earned’ every cent of it. I mean that quite sincerely.

But that is one of the three things about McCain to which I don’t object.

As to the rest… Heck, if they were to offer him ten million dollars a year of taxpayers money to just retire now and live happily and quietly ever after in Sedona, I’d be all for it and write a check for my share right now.

It would be a pittance compared to what his Gorebull Warming believing, anti-energy self sufficiency, anti-capitalist, liberal loving self will cost this nation if he stays in the Senate, much less gets elected President.

LegendHasIt on April 22, 2008 at 10:22 PM

You’re sounding bitter again. Wrong time, wrong place.

Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 10:20 PM

I’m not bitter. You sound kind of bitter though, although not as bitter as you-know-who.

So suck it up, we have 6 and a half more months to go.

MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 10:26 PM

I don’t think he should be taking the money. Of course he is entitled to it due to his service, but he should turn it down due to his status. Of course maybe he needed something to fill the void from his Keating money.

You gotta love the above. If it were coming from a conservative, I’d say the person might have a point if they thought McCain didn’t deserve the money. But the comment comes from a resident liberal, and liberals tend to give away money to rich people who don’t deserve it or need it all the time (what was Hillary and Bill’s extra earnings this year?). At least McCain gets his stipend for honorable service to his country, unlike his competitors.

unclesmrgol on April 22, 2008 at 7:54 PM

You make absolutely no sense. If I were a liberal I would say that people making X amount should not be allowed, by government force, to gain these benefits despite their service to our country. The man was a POW and was injured fighting for our country. I made the point that it is more of a personal decision. If I was rich I would not be taking the tax money of five average middle class workers. Frankly the corporations are probably paying him, either through his political foundation, speaking fees, or buying a future book since he gave them all the domestic slave labor he is going to give amnesty. Once they approve amnesty even millions more will come. That is a fast track to socialism. Now that I think about that, he should donate his pension to pay for all the tax money paying for services for his beloved illegal aliens, or as he refers to them, “my friends.”

LevStrauss on April 22, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Maybe next Soros could fund an ad criticizing McCain….
Doctor Zero on April 22, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Very unlikely.

Soros has been funding some of McCains ‘charitable’ interests for years:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/soros-funded-maverick-mccain-since-2001.html

That is the exciting thing about this election: No matter who gets elected, Soros owns them… Or at least has a lease with option to buy.

LegendHasIt on April 22, 2008 at 10:36 PM

MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Suck what up? I’m happy. Obama’s star is waning, Hillary is filled with Hubris, and McCain, for all his faults, can probably beat these two clowns and save us from Jimmy Carter redux.

Buy Danish on April 22, 2008 at 10:39 PM

The MSM continues to be as outrageously disgusting as it possibly can.

I hope none of these people can sleep at night.

seanrobins on April 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM

FDR is hardly the only paragon of the left with (hidden from the public at the time) medical issues. John F. Kennedy was chronically ill and frequently medicated throughout his life, including his time in the White House. Oh, and Barack Obama is a smoker. So don’t be surprised to see lung cancer and/or emphysema at some point in his life–conceivably, even, within the next 4 to 8 years. (While “sociopathy” remains a popular concept in criminology, it’s not yet symptomatically defined by psychology disagnostic manuals, so I suppose Hillary gets off the hook for now.)

Blacklake on April 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Heh. The only consistent whining I see comes from you poor MDS sufferers. Maybe you could qualify for disability payments?

funky chicken on April 22, 2008 at 10:48 PM

I don’t know where the heck those who are crying about ethics in the American presidential elections are living?

Everything is allowed and anything is legitimate to win the presidency of the United States, even the color of the candidate’s stool can make a difference.

McCain and anyone else is a legitimate target of any criticism no matter how despicable it is in some people’s eyes.

If you can’t take the heat, go bury yourself in Hanoi.

This is America, not Vietnam.

Probably the Vietcong would have been softer on the POWs compared to the poop throwing in U.S. elections.

Get over it.

Indy Conservative on April 22, 2008 at 10:52 PM

MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Since you are a military man, your bitterness towards a man who gave five years in a world of hell is even more disappointing. I appreciate your service, however I would hope that you would show him the same mutual respect.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 22, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Raise my hand if I have a problem with it? you just tell me if there’s a problem with his check, so I can write him one myself… service like his is beyond the reproach, sacrifices like his at the altar of freedom are just one step behind those who give their lives for the freedom of others.

speaking of soldiers lives, when is HA going to tell us about CBS’s “soldier sucide” story of 18 soldiers killing themselves every day? I need to know what the hell is going on there.

Kaptain Amerika on April 22, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Right! 18 soldiers killing themselves every day. That’s 6570 every year. Which is a little more than the US military loses in peacetime training accidents and automobile accidents and suicides every year in peacetime. If 18 guys are killing themselves every day, you’d hear more about that statistic than the 800 we lose every year in combat in Iraq. (It’s actually only about 700 with 150 nonhostile deaths, which includes a number of accidents and suicides).

CBS is full of more BS. The numbers don’t add up. More guys ain’t killing themselves than we are losing due to hostile fire. Total BS.

Subsunk

Subsunk on April 22, 2008 at 11:33 PM

MB4 gets to be picked on, reminds of that goof ball poster who dissed Fred for the attention. He ended up being so ridiculed he left.
We read you MB4, we read you, you are important because you post something controversial…we see you, you are important now. And you will have the same respect as the Fred hater. (did McCain drive a red truck?)
*
MB4 the obligatory front runner hater, every post needs one. Kind of like the organ grinders monkey on the chain that begs for attention. Here, catch this, no over here I’m throwing you a peanut…
Everytime he writes a McCain hate post, throw him a peanut.

right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM

Subsunk on April 22, 2008 at 11:33 PM

When I was in the military, a friend killed himself when he got a dear John letter. That was the only suicide that I heard about in my six years.

Johan Klaus on April 22, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Everytime he writes a McCain hate post, throw him a peanut.

right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM

Might I humbly suggest not feeding the monkey? No peanuts, no monkey.

fourstringfuror on April 22, 2008 at 11:55 PM

fourstringfuror on April 22, 2008 at 11:55 Pm

right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM

MB4, does this regularly and its sad that a post about torture and military pensions exposed him for what he is. I like to think I have a great sense of humor, but I have to lay it down when the topic makes my blood boil as this does.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 23, 2008 at 12:07 AM

Understood, but the best way to put out a fire is to remove one of the three sources: heat, fuel, and oxygen. If he wants to be bitter, let him be bitter. Let him smolder. You didn’t start the fire, but you can definitely help put it out. That’s all. I’ve been guilty of feeding the trolls, or taking the bait and arguing with contrarian people, but I learned that some people enjoy disagreement for disagreement’s sake. It’s sad, but true.

fourstringfuror on April 23, 2008 at 1:13 AM

fourstringfuror on April 23, 2008 at 1:13 AM

I’m down with that. Heh, we can both agree to take a higher path. Heck, when this subject comes up I wonder what our government has done/did for those who never made it back? There was probably some small life insurance policy provided at the time, but $$$ can’t even begin to address that loss. god bless.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 23, 2008 at 1:48 AM

point 1:

He calls us “my friends”

Entelechy on April 22, 2008 at 6:18 PM
That really grates on my ears, especially when used in connection to his favorite vegetable, lettuce, as in “You can’t do it, my friends”.

Every time he says, “My Friends”, I just know he is up to no good again and it is time to hide the women and the booze.

MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 8:07 PM

I agree with MB4 about McCain’s rhetorical ‘my friends’ preamble which is always used on those McCain wishes to belittle rather than debate.

Point 2

That said, regardless of McCain’s weakness for the cheap shot, he deserves the disability check whatever it is, a lot more than the million dollar chunks handed out to families of WTC victims, who were basically paid million dollar chunks so they would not sue our economy into oblivion.

McCain did some work for his check. He earned it well enough

McCain also earned the contempt he deserves for his famous cheap shots. This contempt is well earned,

entagor on April 23, 2008 at 3:42 AM

By any standard, McCain deserves his check.

Of course, that is obvious. Many youngish military folks – 20-year vets – I know have disability benefits from non-combat as well as combat-related injuries. It seems to be particularily common amongst parachute-related injuries during combat training. Backs, knees, you name it.

A good friend of mine can bench-press 350 pounds, yet has had severe lower back injuries related to leading an operation during Desert Storm and falling on his ass. He is classified as almost 90% disabled. He can’t bend down and tie his own shoes.

The idiot Dems seem to confuse legitimate service-related injuries to the “disability” scams that their core voting groups seem to love so much.

TexasJew on April 23, 2008 at 6:09 AM

Perhaps this is the fist time someone from the lib press has ever met a vet with a tax free disability pension.

Rich on April 23, 2008 at 6:10 AM

John McCain began donating to charity the increase in his Senate salary from the baseline of 1991 because he did not believe the Senate needed an increase. A cumulative amount of $450,000 or about $28,000/year. That’s pretty admirable.

I think it bothers the left to see a Vietnam vet be successful and not homeless.

MayBee on April 22, 2008 at 6:43 PM

That goes to the heart of the matter when it comes to the liberal/progressive (micro) versus conservative (macro) view of the world. Take education, for example, with the ‘no child left behind’ pitted against ‘raise the standards and have some fail’ idea. Or we are only fighting al-Qaeda, not every jihadist, alphabet soup group. The same with Vietnam and Iraq vets. A minority of them being homeless and on the streets reinforces their micro world-view when it comes to war. These types never can see the big picture, but rather focus on minutiae tp prove their point.

RickZ on April 23, 2008 at 6:47 AM

Go ahead, raise your hands above your head if you object to John McCain’s disability pension.

No objection here to any injured vet getting a disability pension. Disgraceful on the LA tiMEs part.

I do not mind looking into the health of a presidential candidate McCain’s melanoma is a concern (hence the need for a good VP pick). Still, I am more concerned about policy issues. And while I have disagreements on some of McCain’s positions, Hillary or The Obamassiah are worse.

But to imply that he’s somehow gaming the system when he spend 5+ years being tortured as a POW is beyond the pale and voids a legitimate area on inquiry.

rbj on April 23, 2008 at 7:44 AM

Probably the Vietcong would have been softer on the POWs compared to the poop throwing in U.S. elections.

Get over it.

Indy Conservative on April 22, 2008 at 10:52 PM

It is not a matter of conjecture or probability what the Viet Cong did to men like McCain, we know what happened as a matter of historical fact and it is firmly in the past tense, so what the hell are you talking about?

If you think that American elections are brutal torture, why do you bother to follow them in the first place? Unlike our POW’s, you have a choice and certainly no one is forcing you to comment at a political blog.

Buy Danish on April 23, 2008 at 8:12 AM

Obviously only those who were waterboarded because they want to kill american civilians should receive a pension according to the LAT.

McCain deserves that pension – he earned it and lives with his disability every day.

CrazyFool on April 23, 2008 at 8:43 AM

Probably the Vietcong would have been softer on the POWs compared to the poop throwing in U.S. elections.

Get over it.

Indy Conservative on April 22, 2008 at 10:52 PM

This is the kind of post that does get a response, because the only reason to post such a thing is to get attention. MB4 does it also regarding McCain; brought to an art form by that goof ball that posted against Fred incessantly (you know, he drove a red truck, his kids on the take, his wife is a whore, etc)
Like I would for an organ grinders monkey…here, no over here, I am throwing you a peanut.

right2bright on April 23, 2008 at 9:13 AM

Everytime he writes a McCain hate post, throw him a peanut.

right2bright on April 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Might I humbly suggest not feeding the monkey? No peanuts, no monkey.

fourstringfuror on April 22, 2008 at 11:55 PM

“He wasn’t always an evil monkey”

I am amazed by the poster who called McCains pension government assistance. He served 20 years active, 10 years inactive. He retired, and that pension is his right, just like it is the right of every single American that has retired from a job and is available for a pension. When I retire I fully expect to draw my full pension. That wa a part of a contractual obligation between the state of Virginia and myself. If I were to win the mega ball lotto (not liekly, I am not that bad at math) I would STILL expect my pension. To deny a person their pension because they make X amount of money is a good example of class warfare and redistribution of wealth to the proleteriat, and has no place in America.

Wyrd on April 23, 2008 at 9:43 AM

As a veteran, I have no problem with McCain on this issue. Anyone who had to deal with the NVA knows that he deserves it for spending 1 week with those animals. 6 YEARS! The man deserves a freakin halo! And don’t forget, his father could have gotten him out, but he refused to leave if he was leaving alone. The man is a hero. He may be an idiot about open borders. But he’s still a living hero.

Masscon on April 23, 2008 at 10:21 AM

I have done numerous mortgage loans for disabled Vets. All Vets who are 10% or more disabled (the minimum disability determination) are exempt from the VA Funding Fee (2-3.15% depending on first use and transaction type) in recognition of their service to our country. All VA benefits are tax exempt.

McCain’s VA disability income is the very least we can do as a society to show him, and all Veterans, how much we appreciate their service to our country. That he can hike the Canyon, or that other Vets I know can even muster the courage to get out of bed each day and OVERCOME their disabilties, is testament to their courage and spirit.

Shame on the LA Times.

DrW on April 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM

That he can hike the Canyon, or that other Vets I know can even muster the courage to get out of bed each day and OVERCOME their disabilties, is testament to their courage and spirit.

Shame on the LA Times.

DrW on April 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Yeah, I get the feeling that some people would tell the blind guy who climbed Everest that he doesn’t deserve to use a guide dog anymore because he accomplished a physical feat that was noteworthy.

James on April 23, 2008 at 10:45 AM

I don’t care about McCain’s disability pay.

I care about the years of communist brainwashing that McCain went through as a POW, and the socialist bills he has sponsored in the Senate.

Red Pill on April 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM

I don’t object. He can have it and more, as long as every disabled vet is getting it. Personally, I don’t think we can ever do enough for them.

BTW, McCain gives several hundred thousand dollars a year to charity. Money he got from the raise that congress votes for themselves. I may not like all of his policies, but I believe he has integrity.

I care about the years of communist brainwashing that McCain went through as a POW, and the socialist bills he has sponsored in the Senate.

Sheesh. Fight him on the policies. Don’t invent monsters when none are needed.

Sue on April 23, 2008 at 11:08 AM

I just got here today. I can’t believe the clowns BITCHING about a pension for a VIET POW. I don’t like ol’ JUAN, but to attack his pension GET REAL!!! If nothing else in his favor, he served this COUNTRY, ABOVE and BEYOND. Now, if you want to talk pensions, let’s talk JIMMUH CARTER. That’s something to really talk about…

pueblo1032 on April 23, 2008 at 12:14 PM

I’ve had the rope torture explained to me in great detail. McCain deserves every penny of that pension.

BadgerHawk on April 23, 2008 at 12:26 PM

I am no McCain fan and don’t think he rates the “Sgt York” treatment. But if he is intitled to disability pay due to injuries sustained while serving my country, I say pay the man and shut the F up.

TheSitRep on April 23, 2008 at 12:59 PM

I care about the years of communist brainwashing that McCain went through as a POW, and the socialist bills he has sponsored in the Senate.

Look into the Big Tan Pills marked “Seroquel/400.”

DrSteve on April 23, 2008 at 1:32 PM

I care about the years of communist brainwashing that McCain went through as a POW, and the socialist bills he has sponsored in the Senate.

Look into the Big Tan Pills marked “Seroquel/400.”

DrSteve on April 23, 2008 at 1:32 PM

LOL.

funky chicken on April 23, 2008 at 2:27 PM

The going definition of who is “disabled” (that is, who is eligible for disability payments from the government) is whether they can engage in work or not (any kind of work, if you’ve proven you are capable of engaging in work, you are not disabled as to being eligible to receive disability money).

Being disabled otherwise, in general, is what McCain is, in my view. He has limitations that he can compensate for and he certainly has abundantly proven he’s capable of engaging in work. A person can have disabilities but not be disabled, in other words, and that’s what typifies McCain.

He suffered as a POW, yes, but to receive ongoing disability classification income long after he’s essentially recovered from that experience (and he has, despite the lingering permanent effects caused by that experience) and is no longer “disabled”, again, not since he’s established that he’s capable of engaging in work.

His disability is from the military so I don’t know if their terms for continued disability payments are based upon the same terms I’ve described here (which are the terms that the Social Security Admin. uses, as I’ve described here), but what it appears to me is that McCain was deemed disabled and was years ago, after he returned from Vietnam, he then received medical help for his limitations, overcame his limitations and was no longer disabled yet continued to receive a disability pension accordingly. So the military seems to be paying him as a “once disabled” veteran.

I don’t agree that he’s disabled. He’s proven he can and does engage in work, he’s certainly not limited by his pains and arm movement limitations to such an extent that he can’t stand, sit, walk, climb stairs, think, reason, live his life as normally as most people do (with aches, pains and some physical limitations). Physical limitations, aches and pains do not render one disabled; being disabled means you are prevented from engaging in work due to some physical and/or mental condition, and are or are not expected to recover from those conditions any time soon, if ever.

In McCain’s case, he’s recovered to the point that he is functional in work, can sustain work, is capable of fulfilling work responsibilities, etc. So, just having limitations and pains does not mean he’s disabled. IN fact, I think it’s not entirely honorable that he’s receiving this ongoing disability pension, particularly since there are so many Americans who are far more gravely physically and/or mentally impaired who are disallowed similar disability pensions.

S on April 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM

McCain’s disability pension seems to be compensation of sorts for his prior POW experience. But it’s not based upon his functional abilities, which are not indicative of a disabled person, especially since he’s been EMPLOYED AND WORKING for many years now, which is abundant evidence that he is NOT disabled.

It appears that it’s compensation, more than anything, for the extreme nature of his suffering during service. But it’s very, very generous compensation, and it’s stretching the reality of the disability pension program to such an extent that it puts the entire program to shame for disallowing far more severely veterans a similar pension, even some who clearly are not employable due to physical and/or mental limitations.

IN McCain’s case, it just can’t be argued that he’s “disabled.” If he WAS or IS disabled, in reality, then he isn’t capable of working even if he’s President, or, for that matter, of fulfilling the job requirements of that Office. He’s either disabled or he’s not. If he is, he’s not capable of work. If he isn’t, then he is capable of work. So, which is it?

President Roosevelt had a “disabling condition” such that he required aids/assistance to fulfill work. But the point is that with these aids, assistance, he could complete the job for which he applied and was hired. That means he wasn’t disabled in the legal sense, but suffered from limitations that socially were considered handicaps. Just being handicapped doesn’t mean you are disabled, however, and if you can be brought to a normal functioning level with the assistnace of aids/equipment/whatever is needed, you are not disabled, because you are then capable of functioning in work.

IN McCain’s case, he was disabled years ago, now he isn’t. Or he’s suffering some other conditions that do disable him that he’s not being public about, and for which he’s being paid this pension or stipend. If he’s mentally or emotionally disabled, then he’s not capable of fulfilling (some) job requirements, and that’s a real problem if he’s elected President.

You have to be able to engage in work and fulfill job requirements for which you apply and are hired if you are not disabled. If you are disabled, you cannot do that.

S on April 23, 2008 at 3:12 PM

…meant to write:

“if you ARE disabled, you cannot do that (fulfill job requirements and duties for which you apply and are hired, any job, any work), even with the assistance of aids, helps such as equipment and assistive tools.

Being disabled literally means you cannot fulfill work, cannot sustain work, due to mental and/or physical handicaps, due to physical conditions.

If you CAN fulfill work, any work, complete required work duties, you then establish that you can work and are not disabled, even if you require aids/assistances to fulfill that work.

Just having limitations with one’s as McCain does and having pains as McCain does clearly does not prevent him from engaging in work. He fulfills a job for which he’s been hired, has done so for many years, he’s not disabled.

S on April 23, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Love the title of this post. John McCain is an impressive man, a true American hero, but unfortunately a RINO.

As to the topic of this post, I hope the liberal media will continue such stupid attacks. This is the briar patch McCain wants to be in. “Attack me on my POW history, please!”

There are enough patriotic Americans to vote for him based on his character and history of service, even if some of his positions are troublesome. IMO.

cs89 on April 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM

As far as the disability check, anyone who served in wartime, received injuries that limit his mobility (i.e., limited range of movement for both arms), and refused special treatment deserves our appreciation and monetary compensation. The fact that he went on to serve his country in politics instead of becoming a bitter alcoholic (yes, I know some vets who went down that path) doesn’t remove our nations obligation to pay this debt.

cs89 on April 23, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Wow, look at all the loons against McCain. You would think McCain didn’t deserve it or something. **Rolls eyes in the back of my head at the rejects**

S on April 23, 2008 at 3:18 PM

I would love for you to say that to Gunny Snarky, who is concidered 100% disabled, yet got a “new leg” and went BACK to Iraq.

Some of you loons seriously think you have to be on the ground slobbering like a 6 month old, to receive any benefits while injured in a War. God Help you all if something happens to you!

upinak on April 23, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Hey everybody, we can kidnap “S”, hold it prisoner for 5 years, cut its legs off, and as long as it can get a desk job, it’s not disabled.

Hey pinhead, there are varying levels of “disabled” for any sort of disability pension (not just military), from, say, 10% to 100%.

rbj on April 23, 2008 at 8:27 PM

S you dumbass, read the thread. McCain isn’t “on disability” like all those folks who filed for it after a fall at the office. He gets his military retirement tax free based upon the Navy/VA medical definition of his percent disability at time of military retirement.

Or does it offend you that veterans can get some of their pension free from federal income tax?

funky chicken on April 23, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Sheesh. Fight him on the policies. Don’t invent monsters when none are needed.

Sue on April 23, 2008 at 11:08 AM

McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy are monsters in my eyes. I’m not inventing any monsters, McCain already did. And if McCain were become President, McCain-Kennedy will rise from the dead.

Red Pill on April 24, 2008 at 12:46 AM

Look into the Big Tan Pills marked “Seroquel/400.”
DrSteve on April 23, 2008 at 1:32 PM

No thanks, I don’t do drugs.

But I’ll give you a joke to use with your patients. Look them in the eye and repeat the following:

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I’m schizophrenic,
And so am I.

By the way, a very good friend of mine is one of the 6 people per year who are accepted into the joint MD/PhD program at Duke University Medical School. He and I see eye-to-eye on the things I have posted regarding both politics and religion. But I guess you consider him schizophrenic, too. Nice try.

I question the sanity of people who don’t see the fingerprints of socialism all over McCain’s senate record.

Red Pill on April 24, 2008 at 12:57 AM

S on April 23, 2008 at 3:18 PM

There is nothing more wasteful of everyone’s time and computer memory than you ruminating at length about whether John McCain is disabled.

Years ago, the Department of Veterans Affairs determined whether Mr. McCain was disabled and the percentage of his disability. The only parties to that determination were the Department and Mr. McCain.

You were not asked for your opinion then and your opinion today is not uninformed and unneeded.

slp on April 24, 2008 at 2:18 AM

Now, how many times has the LAT gone out and found the tens of thousands who are taking “disability” welfare checks from the government who are not disabled?

right2bright on April 24, 2008 at 8:50 AM

Look into the Big Tan Pills marked “Seroquel/400.”
DrSteve on April 23, 2008 at 1:32 PM

DrSteve, it sounds like you are a member of the Big Science Academy. Here’s a quote from Richard Dawkins, your Class President:

“If you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane.”

Perhaps you believe like the folks over at Expelled Exposed who say:

Welcome to Expelled Exposed, a detailed look at the Ben Stein movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. We’ll show you why this movie is not a documentary at all, but anti-science propaganda aimed at creating the appearance of controversy where there is none.

Now if they are right, and there really is no controversy, please explain to me why the Hot Air thread about the movie Expelled has been the most controversial thread in the history of Hot Air, producing over 2300 comments from 178 unique commenters.

It’s very telling that you, as a Dr. are implying that I, a born-again, Holy Spirit-filled believer and follower of Jesus Christ, am insane and need Seroquel. That only goes to prove Ben Stein’s point. Thank you for doing so.

Red Pill on April 24, 2008 at 10:36 AM

And DrSteve, if you think I’m off-base, you obviously haven’t seen the movie. Ben Stein shows the correlation between the mentality of those who built the Berlin Wall and the mentality prevalent in today’s scientific community.

If you consider yourself open-minded, go see the film.

Red Pill on April 24, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Let’s see… $58k/yr x 35 years = about $2 million. Some perspective please. That’s how much Boston Celtic Kevin Garnett makes in 7 games. Bill Clinton has made nearly $50 million speaking fees since leaving office. Don’t make me keep going.

cannonball on June 8, 2008 at 9:30 PM

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