Audio: Ron Paul still running ads against McCain
posted at 1:58 pm on April 21, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The punchline? It’s a darned good one. As Jonathan Martin notes, the word “Iraq” is conspicuously missing, but that’s been true of Paul ads for ages now. Listening to this, you’d think he outhawked even Giuliani.
It’s currently airing in Philadelphia and, of course, libertarian communes everywhere.
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…but the words Ron Paul are said ad noseum.
p40tiger on April 21, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Ron Paul 2008.
His blimp might have run out of hotair but he has plenty to spare !
William Amos on April 21, 2008 at 2:03 PM
He really is that little bald man from Benny Hill
uptight on April 21, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Obama/Paul 2008 the dream ticket because neither would ever let you hear the end of it.
and is the entertainment value as well.
William Amos on April 21, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Ideal Ticket:
Ron Paul/Xenu 08. Catch the fever.
TheUnrepentantGeek on April 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Where are all the McShamnesty sycophants telling him to shut up and get in line?
Darksean on April 21, 2008 at 2:09 PM
McCain is just lucky that JAM is not running ads against him.
Despite repeatedly telling the Repubs not to contact me anymore for money I used to donate, I keep getting mailings and pleas. Most I just throw out, but a few of the most annoyingly desperate I write back on to tell them that I’m voting against the crazy lying amnesty slimeball McCain.
I’ll send a particularly annoying phony “survey” back today, with my own added survey questions:
1. “Is McCain a crazy old corrupt amnesty coot? (yes)
2. Will you vote against the crazy corrupt amnesty coot? (yes)
3. Do you think McCain is a crooked liar who gets a pass from the press for his Keating 5 corruption, his unethical strong arming of the Federal Communications commission for his blondie lobbyist honey? (yes)
4. Do you think McCain sold out the country in exchange for money from serf-wanting agribusiness and other plantation-employers? (yes)
5. Do you think the crazy corrupt old amnesty coot’s medical records and his wife’s tax returns should be released? (yes)
- JAM
MB4 on April 21, 2008 at 2:11 PM
I guess it’s his money to use as he pleases, but what’s the point? Most media outlets likely won’t even report the Republican results, will they?
Typhonsentra on April 21, 2008 at 2:11 PM
The fat lady sang a long time ago, Ronny.
Call it a night and crawl back in the coffin.
Grafted on April 21, 2008 at 2:12 PM
But then again, there’d be a fight amongst the ticket’s supporters over which one got to be Jesus.
its vintage duh on April 21, 2008 at 2:13 PM
Good man.
At least he knows a corrupt RINO candidate when he sees one.
SaintOlaf on April 21, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Somebody needs to capture this idiot and lock him up.
rplat on April 21, 2008 at 2:23 PM
He must still be rasing money. His campaign finance records sure do need to be looked at.
Texas Gal on April 21, 2008 at 2:27 PM
You will vote for amnesty and like it.
LevStrauss on April 21, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Yeah, the Paul supporters I know keep telling me, that he hasn’t droppped out. btw, When did McCain ever vote to raise taxes?
JetBoy on April 21, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Eeenteresting.
CP on April 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Dream ticket: Paul/Kucinich 08
There’s still time.
Rick on April 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Ron Paul the only candidate that can get his name mentioned 50 times in 60 seconds
Chakra Hammer on April 21, 2008 at 2:33 PM
I think that Mr. “Straight Talk” needs to have some sunlight cast on him.
When is Juan “Keating Five” McCain going to release his wife’s tax returns? As I recall even John F’ing Kerry ended up releasing his rich wife’s returns. Haven’t the Obama’s and even the Clinton’s released theirs? If they haven’t, they should.
What is McCain hiding? Illegal contributions from her to one or more of his campaigns? Pay off $$$ from Keating-Five going to him through her? A “little something” from employers of illegals going to him through her?
What is he hiding? What is he, what? What are we suppose to think about him now?
Let’s have some “straight talk” from Juan.
MB4 on April 21, 2008 at 2:36 PM
RON PAUL FOR INSANITY!
MarkoMancuso on April 21, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Didn’t care about Kerry’s rich wife, don’t care about Mac’s rich wife. Only care about the content of their souls.
3 mos v. 5 yrs.
dingbat on April 21, 2008 at 2:44 PM
I have some of his albums from the 60s. Mary Travers and Peter Stookey would make great running mates.
saved on April 21, 2008 at 2:45 PM
So running ads against McCain is good for Republicans how?
You do know Ron Paul is not a viable alternative to Mccain, don’t you?
Sad as it is, the choices now are McCain, Obama and Hillary.
EJDolbow on April 21, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Since these are radio ads, can we assume that the rEVOLution will not be televised? Thank you, I’ll be here all week.
CP on April 21, 2008 at 2:51 PM
This is slightly off topic, but I just ran into a Ron Paul supporter at the grocery store, he was probably certifiable. The really odd thing, the flier he gave me was about a Gore/Fisher 2008 ticket with Mel Gibson somehow tied in.
4shoes on April 21, 2008 at 2:52 PM
must be nice to have a name you can make your own phone number out of without loseing or adding any letters to make it work ;)
trailortrash on April 21, 2008 at 2:54 PM
only thing sadder then Ron Paul are the anti McCain types. They just keep on crying and pouting that McCain is the republican nominee. The only thing that can stop McCain now is a medical emergency.
But then again, McCain’s biggest sin is that he is willing to compromise with the Democrats, as opposed to standing firm as bed rock and discounting any and every thing they have to say.
Some people need to wake up and realize that the extremes are not where most Americans are. Most of us are in the middle. Add to that the tiny fact that McCain, Amnesty and keating five included, is still far better then Hillary or Obama.
But hey, if some people want to act like 5 year olds and throw a temper tantrum then so be it. Have fun in your corner, the adults will try to keep it all together.
Wyrd on April 21, 2008 at 3:10 PM
I’m sold!
…wait…
Um, Mr. Paul, how did 9/11 happen?
Dammit.
MadisonConservative on April 21, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Nope, there’s something still sadder.
People who just keep the same system going that has led them to the point that the candidates are barely distinguishable from one another. People who think even refusal to vote is too much.
The founders would be ashamed.
MadisonConservative on April 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM
You are a self parody and you probably can’t even see it.
MB4 on April 21, 2008 at 3:31 PM
I’m voting for him tomorrow. Why else would I have changed my voter reg to the reprobate, socialist GOP?
RWLA on April 21, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Well, he voted against lowering them on several occasions.
And then there’s the sweetheart deal he cooked up with his fellow liberal, Lieberman, concerning jacking up fuel prices by 50 cents/gallon to “combat” the Glowbull Wormening fairy tale which, by the way, was cooked up by another one of McArnold’s liberal butt-buddies, Al Gore.
Vote for McVain and you’ll get Gore, Kennedy, Lieberman, Feingold and many, many others for FREE!
But wait, there’s MORE…
Thanks, but no thanks. No sale.
Obligatory Disclaimer: I’m NOT a RonDroid, as a matter of fact I would be equally unhappy with Ron on the ticket, but I’m glad to see that somebody is still calling McVain out as the crazy old corrupt amnesty coot (thanks, MB4!) that he is.
Misha I on April 21, 2008 at 3:33 PM
So while he’s running ads attacking against our party’s nominee, he wants to know why we haven’t come together with his supporters.
I’ve met piles of bricks with more common sense.
Of course. Intentionally leave out one of the biggest issues for Republicans, as well as the one that they happen to vehemently disagree with you on.
amerpundit on April 21, 2008 at 3:36 PM
i’m glad someone is.
while everyone is worked up over the Obama/Hillary clusterF@#K, Mr. “Campaine Finance Reform” and “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” is just sliding along.
RMC1618 on April 21, 2008 at 3:37 PM
The Obamas and Clintons file joint tax returns. By agreement most of Cindy’s money stays in her name, and there’s something with Arizona law about return filings.
I doubt there’s anything to hide. He probably just doesn’t want people concentrating on the fact that she’s worth over $100 million.
amerpundit on April 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM
I am not certain, but I think that the Kerry’s filed separate returns and he/she ended up releasing hers and Kerry never claimed the mantle of “straight talk”, so it looks bad if McCain does not even match the Kerry standard.
MB4 on April 21, 2008 at 3:42 PM
The issue you guys fail to see (MB4 and Madison Conservative et al) is that you aren’t changing anything, nor will you ever change anything. All you do is piss in the wind, then moan that your leg is wet. Now then, If you were to band together, put up a viable third party candidate, work at getting your message out and build up support then maybe, just maybe, you will be able to accomplish your dream of changing the system.
But lets say you try and you fail. The majority of people are content enough with the system as it is. Then what? Do you, in Liberal fashion, piss and moan and call everyone that does not see things as you do names? Do you attack their patriotism, their inteligence? Do you belittle them and demean then, use insults as a means to respond to the rest of the peoples positions? Or would you possibly admit to yourself that the majority has spoken, and maybe you were incorrect. Possibly before your time, but that here and now your vision is not the one the country has.
An adult would do just that. An adult looks at the situation and makes the best of the situation. A child builds their plans on what could have been, or what should have been. And then is surpirsed when no one sees it their way.
Fact:
Their will be one man running on the Republican ticket, McCain.
Fact:
Their will be one democrat running, either Hillary or Obama (or an al gore wild card)
Fact:
their will be several other people running as independants, green party etc.
Fact:
The winner and next president will be picked from the Republican or Democrat side.
If any one disagrees with my facts then point out where I am in error. No ad hominem attacks or wish full thinking arguements.
Personally I wish their was a viable third party alternative. I would love to have a chance to vote for a person who could do a better job and had a chance of winning. but that person is not out their, so I will vote for the next best person.
Wyrd on April 21, 2008 at 3:45 PM
I doubt there’s anything to hide. He probably just doesn’t want people concentrating on the fact that she’s worth over $100 million.
Wait a minute. You’re telling me that McCain is a kept man? How great is that? Yeah, vote for him. He knows what you’re experiencing in life. Talk about an elitist….
RWLA on April 21, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Theresa Heinz Kerry also initially refused to release her tax returns. Only after a torrent of criticism did she do so. They revealed her to be the wealthiest spouse of any presidential candidate in history.
amerpundit on April 21, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Personally I wish their was a viable third party alternative
I wish there was a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 92nd party alternative. I’d love to see a true election in this country.
RWLA on April 21, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Significantly insulting and narcissistic remarks bolded to highlight the mindset of someone who realizes McCain sucks, and is ashamed of the fact that he will vote for him anyway out of fear of the other candidates.
…and you’re basing that on what? If you’re basing it on lack of people’s enthusiasm to create any actual improvements in the system, then you’re just buying into the fact that the majority of Americans simply are averse to real change.
Although, if you’re basing that on polls, please go on. I’d love to hear how the majority of people are content with their 25% president and their 10% congress. I can tell they think it’s just skippy.
MadisonConservative on April 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Stick a fork in Paul. He’s done. Mac’s tax? So?
dingbat on April 21, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Nice rejoinder Madison. A bit of a projection on your part though. The ad hominem attacks are a bit too liberal minded for my taste.
The basic premise though holds. At this point in time their is no viable third party, and it is too late ( in my opinion) to have one in place for the election. Now would be a great time to really push at creating one though. List out what your party’s platform will be and I may join up.
I base my assumption ( emphasis mine) that the majority of americans are ok with the current system based on the fact that the 2 party system curtrently exists, and every attempt at a third party system over the last 50 or so years has ended in failure. A person may win a seat as an independant, but thats not an actual third party. As you know polls can mean what ever the pollster wants them to say.
And yes, I am voting for McCain because he is the best of the candidates that has a cance to win. Come November third My guy will, at worst, come of as a close second. Your candidate may be in third place, but will have gotten probaly 1-2% of the total vote. Unles you can give me a third party candidate and evidence that he has a good chance, assuming I like his platform I will vote for him. So here is your chance to win a convert to your cause. Drop the attacks and character assination and give me a good reason to vote for your guy, whomever it may be.
Wyrd on April 21, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Fantastic ad. Too bad none of the leading candidates running can make a similar claim; just the opposite.
I hate police-ing the world and spending aid money like crazy. At least Paul is committed to National Security (including the illegal immigration invasion) unlike all the other leading candidates.
saiga on April 21, 2008 at 4:10 PM
The hypocrits - most of the Paulnuts are not Libertarian at all, especially not on social issues. They’re far right loons, under the guse of Libertarianism.
MB4, this thread is on the looney aspect of Paul and his nuts.
Entelechy on April 21, 2008 at 4:12 PM
That Ron Paul, who does he think he is? how dare he dissent from the establishment views of the modern Conservative/Republican ideology! you know what we should do? we should publicly laugh at him and call him and his supporters demeaning and insulting names. that’ll teach him!
RMC1618 on April 21, 2008 at 4:14 PM
I’m holding out hope for a viable third party candidate.
Or at least a great VP for Mccain….that’s the only way he’ll get my vote.
Other than that it may be better for the communist Hildebeast to win…maybe then the GOP will realize it must rid itself of it’s RINO’s.
On the other hand Hussein O must be stopped at all costs…but I am confident that the Hildebeast will take him out soon.
SaintOlaf on April 21, 2008 at 4:19 PM
I think its great. The pro-open border republicans are probably have an acid reflux attack! Ha!
Zorro on April 21, 2008 at 4:19 PM
After claiming that we “piss in the wind and moan”, and four words before you take the back door by calling us liberal, you have the gall to talk about ad hominem attacks?
Buh bye.
MadisonConservative on April 21, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Madison,
Speak in the third person much? I am refering to your attack against my character. The liberal attack method is to hand pick specific sectins of text, belittle it and attack the character of the person saying it, and then not answer any of the points. Through misrepresentation and a skewing of the other persons position the liberal can get their shots in, act all high and mighty, and then “take the high road” by dropping the conversation. My “attacks” were based on my observation of what several people, including you, have been doing in this thread and others. If my observations are wrong then you have had ample opportunity to correct me.
You are, by no means, a Lberal. But sometimes you argue like one. Your last post proves that to a T. If you are incapable of inteligently answering my points and debating me or anyone else on the merrits of their arguments then you are right to say buh bye. Its a shame. You infer that I am wrong, but can not, or will not, point out how or where. Another opportunity for you to teach is lost, as is mine to learn.
Wyrd on April 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM
The moment my brain atrophies to the point where I start seriously believing that the question of “correct” vs. “incorrect” is something that can be settled by a popular vote is the point where I hope that my family will pull out the plug to save me from the misery of Alzheimer’s.
Yes, I can accept “the will of the people” and yes, I accept that “the people has spoken” even though I don’t agree with their decision.
But that doesn’t make their decision “correct”, any more than the Germans electing Adolf Hitler in 1933 made Nazism “correct.”
And no, I’m not comparing McVain to Hitler, he’s not nearly that skilled, nor that insane, it’s just an illustration of the principle.
Misha I on April 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Your attacks are observations. Ours are attacks. Got it all figured out now.
MadisonConservative on April 21, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Well put, Sir.
Now, what on Earth is Wyrd doing here anyways? Shouldn’t he be off raising funds for McVain? I hear he’s short.
Time’s a-wasting, man!
Misha I on April 21, 2008 at 4:49 PM
I heard that ad today at lunch time.
My only reaction was…Why???
PaKeystoner on April 21, 2008 at 5:12 PM
notice he again repeats the lie that he received the most military donations.
jp on April 21, 2008 at 5:17 PM
heh, so far none have seen fit to point out where my facts are wrong. Othe rhten the easiest one, that my initial “attacks” against the anti-mccain types are, in fact, attacks.
Misha, excelent point about the masses votin for what is right or wrong. You are correct, assuming that their is a moral structure on which to base “right and wrong”. The masses generally vote for “what is easiest”. I look forward to seeing your explanation of what a better system is, then a representational democracy.
Madison, Can you explain to me why I am wrong in describing the anti mccain types as “pissing and moaning in the wind”?
From my point of view that is all I see. I see some people attacking McCain because they dislike him, some for valid reasos. Some of these people want to see Democrats win, in what I would term a petty display of “See? we told you! now reap what you Sow”. Does that actually help our country? Perhaps it does, but I don’t see how.
What is Wyrd doing here? Trying to get answers to those pesky facts I types above. other then some intriguing dancing and evasions around that topic I have seen very little. I will vote for McCain, I won’t campaign for the guy, I am not happy with his amnesty and torture positions. But I think he is better then the alternative. If he is not, then tell me how.
Wyrd on April 21, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Who’s Ron Paul?
obladioblada on April 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM
McCain’s fundraising seems to be pretty transparent to me simply based on the fact that the media is all over it.
And I’m not concerned about where RP is getting his money from. I think that’s probably obvious. My concern is more how it’s being spent or who is spending it. One thing I’m pretty certain of is that he’s never raised this kind of money before and I’m not seeing where it’s being spent that reflects the amount raised. My other concern is that RP doesn’t seem to have a very strong grip on how his campaign is run as was evidenced in the newsletter debacle. I just don’t want there to be some scandalous revelation during the general election by his Democratic opponent that someone on RP’s campaign team made a $1M salary .. or something similar. Cause the Democrats would be absolutely foolish to let this opportunity go by to not snatch his congressional seat this year.
I’m afraid the poor man is so out of touch with reality that he would believe anything anyone in his campaign team told him and there sure is a lot of cash flowing into that office.
Texas Gal on April 21, 2008 at 5:24 PM
i’m guessing the paultards are planning protest at the GOP convention, which Paul so wants a speaking gig at.
jp on April 21, 2008 at 5:27 PM
“You people are all children, pissing in the wind and moaning about it, and you will never change anything.
…wait, why aren’t you just addressing my points? No need for attacks. I was just observing.”
In other words, mac, when you can address your desired debator with respect, and not start out a discussion by insulting them and calling them children, come on back. Until then, get bent. Whining that someone won’t stick to the issue after you insult them is redirection, the tactic of the dishonest. I have no interest in someone who’s going to play gotcha games.
MadisonConservative on April 21, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Who did receive the most military donations?
aengus on April 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542&page=1
Apparently it’s true about the military donations. I’m not totally surprised, though. Paul is appealing to a younger voting bracket, and there are a good deal of young soldiers in the armed forces.
MadisonConservative on April 21, 2008 at 5:50 PM
I think the Cult of Ron Paul are waiting for the Hale Bopp comet to come back around.
Buttercup on April 21, 2008 at 5:52 PM
its illegal for active duty to contribute, they could be court maritialed if they did. Among Veterans on GOP side McCain got the most. the paul people have been trying to use a press release of theirs were they gamed some numbers to have absolute ‘moral authority’ on the issue for obvious reasons. downright shameful
jp on April 21, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Oh I see. Thanks.
aengus on April 21, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Nah Madison, I won’t get bent. I had started writting another paragraph or 12 about debate points, facts, giving hillary/obama an easy win etc. I am pretty sure no one else is interested in “as the wyrd turns”. I will just cast my solitary vote for mcCain unless some one can explain why thats the wrong thing to do.
Interesting article on the milatary donations. They indicate that it is a small number, unless they have a large sample the data is fairly worthless.
Wyrd on April 21, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Of veterans who voted in the primaries Paul got 3-4% tops of Military/Veteran votes around the country and in paticular heavy veteran states like SC and Florida..
secondly, its illegal for active duty personel to contribute and if they did they could lose their jobs.
thirdly, OpenSecrets breaks down contibutions by Sector, McCain and Hillary are at the top $$$ wise for the Defense sector.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/sectors.asp?sec=D
this is the first year in awhile the Dems have heldup with Repubs in this sector, likely because political history indicates its their turn for power and bet hedging going on.
fourthly, where this originates is from faulty/sloppy reporting. when donating there is the option to select a field(which you could lie about for political reasons, and get away with since no verification) and on only Paul’s site he forced contributor to pick an industry(or possibly picked one for them). When you look on the FEC reports for “NO EMPLOYER WAS SUPPLIED” the Repubs other than Paul got a majority of their contributions from that, paul got virtually NONE because he didn’t allow that option(i.e. forced donor to pick or picked one for them). How many of the “NO Employer” option McCain/Romney had do you think were military? Its also impossible to verify the employment.
And when the votes actually came in, it was clear that McCain was the military/veterans candidate. If not for the demographic McCain wouldn’t have won nomination.
whats troubling but not suprising is Paul’s attempt to wrest “Absolute Moral Authority” on what was at best, unverifiable data and basically try to use it for political gain. which of course didn’t happen.
the Lone Star Times also had a long post on this awhile back:
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/05/do-the-troops-support-ron-paul/
jp on April 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM
on the FEC reports that abc is reporting on and the paul campaign, check out the “no employer given” option for the other candidates vs. paul. also what they consider “military” and the fact that can’t be verified in anyway, especially on small donations. and of course the law on active duty donating anyway.
this comes off as the classic liberal “moral authority” play for an area they are weak on.
jp on April 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM
I don’t know of one. All of the alternatives that I DO know of, at least the ones that have been tried, suck even worse.
I wasn’t addressing the merits of democracy, though. I was merely pointing out that being in the minority doesn’t equal being “incorrect.”
Out of power, yes, incorrect, not necessarily.
Misha I on April 21, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Actually, I think they are one and the same. So they are just equally sad-sack.
funky chicken on April 21, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Not true. All military are free to donate. They just can’t actively campaign while in an on the job or in uniform status. We still have the same basic rights as all Americans.
Big John on April 21, 2008 at 10:35 PM
CRASH!!!
That was the sound of me falling over as I seem to recall some things that you said. What were they now? Let me go check.
There it is!
Maybe there is even more? Should I go and look some more? Nah. That’s more than enough. Why over do it. Was someone commenting under your name? I thought HA didn’t allow duplicate ID’s. Maybe I was in error. Nah, I doubt it.
ROFLMAO!!!
Are you going to be alright Wyrd?
You are so funny.
MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 4:30 AM
Of there is another one.
You are hilarious Wyrd.
MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 4:32 AM
I have heard of projection issues, but Wyrd, you have certainly extended the bar to new heights. Don’t get too dizzy now.
MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 4:34 AM
Please link to relevant DOD regs as that is the first I have ever heard of that. Thank you. I will check back here tomorrow for your link.
MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 4:45 AM
Please provide link showing exactly what constitutes “partisan political activities” as that could obviously logically include even denying voting to active duty military which would obviously be absurd.
MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 4:52 AM
Thank you Big John. I should have read all the comments first. It’s very good to know that not jp nor anyone else has been able to take constitutional rights away from the military since my long ago departure from same.
MB4 on April 22, 2008 at 4:59 AM
here is the military code
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf
Federal Law (Titles 10, 2, and 18, United States Code), Department of Defense (DOD) Directives,
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/milpolitics.htm
they aren’t suppose to engage in open support and partsian political activities while active duty.
all that said, go back to the point on the unreliabiality of the FEC reports and what they are trying to claim is “military” and the fact that none of it is verifiable and he forced his donators to pick an occupation(or picked one for them). likely so he could pull stunts like this.
jp on April 22, 2008 at 9:11 AM