Video: Dem campaign strategists in whine-fest
posted at 2:30 pm on April 20, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Nothing makes a Sunday better than a little fine whine tasting, and Meet the Press served a vintage example today. David Axelrod of Barack Obama’s campaign faced off against Hillary Clinton’s new chief strategist Geoff Garin, apparently to determine which candidate had been victimized more than the other. Here’s a clip from their joint appearance, where Axelrod presses Garin on whether Hillary ran a “100% negative” ad in Pennsylvania this weekend:
Well, so what if she did? Obama has insisted that he doesn’t take money from lobbyists, a completely laughable lie. A number of his bundlers come from the lobbying industry, and Obama himself held a September 2007 fundraiser in Jack Abramoff’s former lobbying firm, garnering $125,000. Both campaigns have conducted negative advertising, and for both strategists to cry about it on national TV would embarrass anyone — except maybe a Democrat.
Keep watching, folks. These are the same people who will work at defending this nation from terrorists if either of them beat John McCain. For my money, I’ll take a little temper over a couple of whiny crybabies.
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The goal is to put a completely inexperienced neophyte into the Oval Office and then allow him to install a far left, anti-American, race baiting freakshow of a cabinet.
That goal will not be met if questioning the candidate is permitted.
Therefore, no questions are permitted. Next question.
NoDonkey on April 20, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Great communication skills, except that neither wants to hear the other. Complaining to one another, typical Liberal. Whining and moaning, typical Liberal. Leaders of our Nation, priceless.
geminicontender on April 20, 2008 at 2:38 PM
That was the worst act of fellatio between two political strategist that I’ve evah seen.
Kini on April 20, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Great photo and caption on the main page for this story Captain.
Biggest laugh I have had this week.
EJDolbow on April 20, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Music.
Sweet, sweet music.
hillbillyjim on April 20, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Caption title for the story is purrrfect.
koolbrease on April 20, 2008 at 2:42 PM
I think Garin was being 87% whiney while Axelrod was about 79%.
WTH?
lowandslow on April 20, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Mr. Morrissey,
I doubt Michelle Malkin would approve of your front-page caption.
Sydney Carton on April 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM
What a laugh riot.
Dr. Manhattan on April 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Hello hillbillyjim. Good to see you here.
On topic - Jammerkaesten - whining boxes.
It’s so typical of the Left - everything is someone else’s fault. No accountability. Just blame others, whoever they are. What a beauty of an electoral season this year is unfolding to be. And so unexpected, and gratis.
Entelechy on April 20, 2008 at 2:46 PM
It’s so funny it’s pathetic.
p0s3r on April 20, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Clearly the only fair thing to do is let them share the nomination 50/50.
ronsfi on April 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM
We recently did that with a right-leaning, self-proclaimed conservative who had no real qualifications except for his name and birthright. I don’t know that any candidate running today can be any worse.
bayam on April 20, 2008 at 2:55 PM
In the spirit of bi partisanship, I think they’re both right and hope they continue to be strong voices of change for their candidates.
As an aside, I’m hoping to see a new PAC called R.A.W headed by Messers Rezko, Ayers and Wright
We could be treated to commercials featuring PAC contributors who individually say on camera,
I’m R.A.W. and voting for a change!Tm
or as a group “we’re RAW and voting for a change!”
Just trying to help…
moxie_neanderthal on April 20, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Good Lord…two 3rd graders going at it….
The really pathetic thing is that you know these two tools believe in nothing. (Other than the pathetic Socialist/Democrat/Liberal vision…maybe…). They want their bosses to win for the simple fact that it will result in continued employment. I guess they do believe in something after all- getting paid huge sums of money for doing a job that produces exactly ZERO for anyone or anything.
What do these SmaKTards do after their horse gets taken out back and put down?? I think they should mebbe get the good old gas pipe too..
BigWyo on April 20, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Front page picture:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/20/funny-pictures-black-or-with-cream/
I was watching this today and was in glee for a full half hour. Every sharp-stick eye-jab made me wonder whether they were questioning their decision to go on the show.
They certainaly scrapped harder than their candidates do.
askheaves on April 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM
mmmmm, interesting perspective. Last time I checked, Texas is one of the largest states in the Union and Bush was its governor. Executive experience counts, though the Carter administration demonstrates the exception to the rule.
Funny that you seem to think that being an articulate “community organizer “ (whatever that is) and half a term as a US senator is sufficient experience. The fact is, with his skimpy record, he could not qualify for a top executive position within a Fortune 500 company, but some how he has sufficient qualifications for Presidency.
moxie_neanderthal on April 20, 2008 at 3:04 PM
OMG how pathetic.
How weak.
How in the hell can the dem’s think this will help either one of them?
My husband once worked all day with a broken hand, he would laugh his azz off at what these two are crying about.
This is embarrassing.
ArmyAunt on April 20, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Um, he was a successful, two term governor of one of the four largest states in country. He presided over a budget. He actually had a job. Unlike Obama. Sharpton’s a “community organizer” (aka race baiting extortionist). And Obama would probably get lost driving to the US Capitol, he’s been there so few times.
So after eight years of lying about and slandering President Bush, the Democrats are reduced to saying “our guy can’t do any worse”.
You are short selling your terrible Democrat candidates. They can do lots, LOTS worse.
NoDonkey on April 20, 2008 at 3:11 PM
You have to remember that the media backed the Clintons for the past 20 years in claiming that all ads critical of Democrats, and any discussions of whether or not they may be justified, are inherently evil.
Hillary has always held true to form on this issue. It’s the media who have suddenly changed their tune.
logis on April 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM
wow that is a lot of whine and me with no cheese to go with it .
Mojack420 on April 20, 2008 at 3:17 PM
o p e r a t i o n c h a o s i s w o r k i n g
jimmer on April 20, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Let me be the first to say, “Rove, you magnificent bastard!”
second digit on April 20, 2008 at 3:20 PM
It will be hand bags at dawn for these two pencil neck gofers. Very unbecoming. I’m lovin this!! LOL
RobCon on April 20, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Let me be the second. Here, here
RobCon on April 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Yes, what exactly did Obama do during his tenure as a “community organizer”? It sounds like someone who organized car pools for southside Chicago welfare recipients to go to the polls and vote themselves more entitlements.
AZCoyote on April 20, 2008 at 3:40 PM
LAWL!
Ditto on that. Glad I wasn’t drinking coffee.
wise_man on April 20, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Gasp. I thought Democrats didn’t do such things.
Karl Rove put a spell on ‘em! Gahhh!
Feedie on April 20, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Aw, c’mon, it’s not that bad Ed.
doubleplusundead on April 20, 2008 at 3:45 PM
It’s not that bad, Syd, I meant to say.
doubleplusundead on April 20, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Obama’s man could have closed the whole debate if he would have pulled a piece of cheese, handed it to Clinton’s campaign and said “here’s some cheese with your whine”…and then move on.
That being said…
Carry on Dems, I am enjoying the show…
right2bright on April 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM
I’m having a blast watching this Dem primary, it really is too fun.
doubleplusundead on April 20, 2008 at 3:47 PM
If so who will be Baracks puppet master? One of the 3 stooges Nancy, Harry or Howard? Or Rev Wright? With apologies to the memory of Larry, Curley, and Moe.
meci on April 20, 2008 at 3:48 PM
WILL THE WHINING NEVER END??
EJDolbow on April 20, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Pussies, indeed.
That’s one reason the enemies of this country love ‘em so.
Hening on April 20, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Ed Morrissey, you are the last person on the planet I would have expected to post pussy pics on your blog site. For shame, sir.
philwynk on April 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Pussies because they are complaining about attack ads?
Maybe instead you all should comment on McCain saying it was a cheap shot to ask him how come we can’t get the same health care he gets? Is that really a cheap shot? Is he whining?
mycowardice on April 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM
meci wrote:
“If so who will be Barack’s puppet master?”
He doesn’t have the humility to ask anyone to be puppet master. Probably, though, he’ll bring in a staff full of theoretical Marxists from the universities, and try listening to their mindless drivel in order to form policy. That should provide a great deal of entertainment for us, and endless misery for whoever’s at the point of the policy spear.
philwynk on April 20, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Amen Mr. Ed. Anyday.
Texyank on April 20, 2008 at 4:43 PM
we can, it just costs a certain amount of money. So find yourself a job which provides it as a benefit or that pays you enough to buy it and stop whining
or you can move to Canada or Europe, get 50% of your income taxed, and they’ll give you some crap health insurance.
windansea on April 20, 2008 at 4:51 PM
You can get the same Health care he has had if you spend 5 years being tortured in the service of your country.
Why don’t you ask people who budget their income and have Health Savings Accounts why you “can’t” have the same insurance as them?
EJDolbow on April 20, 2008 at 4:51 PM
After eight years of lying and slandering President Bush, never giving him even close to an even break, denigrating his family and abusing anyone who supports him, Democrats want THEIR candidates to be treated with kid gloves?
Forget it. Democrats shall reap what they have sown. Obama and Clinton have both relentlessly and unfairly lied about President Bush, we’ll just destroy Obama and Clinton with THE TRUTH.
NoDonkey on April 20, 2008 at 4:54 PM
AZCoyote asked:
Yes, what exactly did Obama do during his tenure as a “community organizer”? It sounds like someone who organized car pools for southside Chicago welfare recipients to go to the polls and vote themselves more entitlements.
He formed gatherings of poor people, allowed them to vent their anger, and then directed their anger toward whatever radical goal his handlers wanted him to pursue. This is the daily grind of a Marxist community organizer, which is what Obama was.
His gaffe about the bitterness of small-town Pennsylvanians comes from a career of identifying the underlying rage and anxiety of whatever group he’s trying to motivate. It was no surprise to those of us who have researched his past.
The following is from an article I published on my blog several months ago, identifying some of the hard-left influences on Obama’s upbringing and professional formation:
“I’m particularly interested in Obama’s period of community activism in Chicago in the 1980s. His employer was the Gamaliel Foundation. Gamaliel, an activist organization strangely merging the teachings of Marxist strategist Saul Alinsky with those of the Apostle Paul, operates with that same sense of religious destiny that we’ve noticed in both Barack and Michelle Obama’s speeches. Alinsky counseled tapping anger as a motivator for radical change; Gamaliel’s Greg Golluzzo notes Obama’s energy in applying this tactic:
Ryan Lizza in The New Republic, cites another of Obama’s mentors, radical organizer Mike Kruglic, admiring Obama’s skill at this sort of manipulation:
Come by and read the rest. It’s an eye-opener.
philwynk on April 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM
My question was about why he called it a ‘cheap shot’. Was he whining?
Plus, members of congress don’t need to be tortured for 5 years in Vietnam to get access to that plan. Even members of the military don’t need to be tortured for 5 years to get coverage.
And finally, the first question is about eligibility, before we even get into the payment question. I cannot join the plan McCain has, even if I am willing to pay 100% of the premiums he and his employer are paying. Oh wait… I think I am whining :)!
mycowardice on April 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Mr. Morrissey,
I doubt Michelle Malkin would approve of your front-page caption.
Sydney Carton on April 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Fabulous front page caption CE… Absolutely not Politically Correct; Absolutely funny and right on target. What this Sydney creature doesn’t understand is that Michelle is tough as nails and doesn’t fall prey to the PC crowd either.
mycowardice on April 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Now here is a typical pussy comment.
Keemo on April 20, 2008 at 5:10 PM
I find the definition of a ‘pussy comment’ quite elusive. It seems to be a synonym of ‘progressive comment’ or ‘democratic comment’.
mycowardice on April 20, 2008 at 5:17 PM
I just gave a quick tour of your blog mycowardice; can’t say I was surprised to see that you are flaming whiny Liberal.
Out spreading your misery?
Keemo on April 20, 2008 at 5:18 PM
I would say, out challenging other ideas in the marketplace of ideas.
Somehow, it seems paradoxical to be both flaming and whining at the same time.
mycowardice on April 20, 2008 at 5:23 PM
describes Glen Greenwald to a T
windansea on April 20, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Somehow, it seems paradoxical to be both flaming and whining at the same time.
mycowardice on April 20, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Nicely stated… However, both are traditional characteristics of the Liberal man.
NoDonkey nailed it perfectly; After eight years of lying and slandering President Bush, never giving him even close to an even break, denigrating his family and abusing anyone who supports him, Democrats want THEIR candidates to be treated with kid gloves?
Forget it. Democrats shall reap what they have sown. Obama and Clinton have both relentlessly and unfairly lied about President Bush, we’ll just destroy Obama and Clinton with THE TRUTH.
To hell with anyone who would give us a dose of our own medicine! Didn’t anybody tell you neocons “we are above the treatment we hand down to your kind.”
Keemo on April 20, 2008 at 5:40 PM
The feminization of the American male. Like a couple of neutered house cats.
bloviator on April 20, 2008 at 5:43 PM
bloviator on April 20, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Dead on bloviator! Exactly what is dragging down the American way of life, the feminization of the American male, along with Political Correctness. Exactly why ol’ Sydney got his lil feelings ruffled by the mention of “pussies”…
Keemo on April 20, 2008 at 5:49 PM
This idiotic snooze fest is indicative of their Fairness Doctrine mentality.
Buy Danish on April 20, 2008 at 6:01 PM
If you want the same health insurance McCain has, get yourself elected to the Senate.
This is a country of choices, liberal. Everyone is free to make their choices, and to suffer the consequences of those choices. But that’s your entire point, isn’t it? - “mycowardice is so socialist that choices don’t matter!”
jaime on April 20, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Yeah I love that choice. I just asked you for the choice to be able to join in the same program and to pay, out of pocket, the insurance premium. Thanks for denying me that choice. The only way I can get that choice, according to you, is to become a Senator, which statistically is so improbable I might as well look for a plan B (note that I think the plan McCain must have must be available to more than just Senator, but regardless, it won’t be available to me).
So why can’t I have that choice?
mycowardice on April 20, 2008 at 6:34 PM
4shoes on April 20, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Bingo!!!
4shoes on April 20, 2008 at 6:37 PM
I saw this on TV this morning, and I turned it off in disgust.
Who really cares about these two whiners? Who really cares which one of these two unqualified candidates gets nominated? The bottom line is after the election we’ll have a liberal in office, no matter how you slice it.
Way to make a story out of a nonstory, Ed.
fossten on April 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM
That’s like asking why you don’t have the choice to vote on Senate bills. You do have the choice - right after you do what it takes to get yourself elected to the Senate.
jaime on April 20, 2008 at 7:00 PM
fossten on April 20, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Ron Paul lover?
Keemo on April 20, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Calls ‘em like you sees ‘em.
James OK on April 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM
And these are the same bunch of yoohoos who election after election after election promise change, change, and more change, and instead, we get the same-old-same-old-same-old again and again and again.
What never fails to astonish me is how these guys think they can get away with all this and no one will ever notice. They must think the rest of us are complete morons. There is just no way I can see them thinking of us any other way than this!
pilamaye on April 20, 2008 at 7:27 PM
There are hundreds, maybe even thousands of plans you can’t join, even if you are willing to pay.
It is called “group insurance” and you have to be a member of the group.
EJDolbow on April 20, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Regarding the video: In Heaven, William F. Buckley is LOLing and these…felines.
baldilocks on April 20, 2008 at 7:57 PM
and these…felines=at these…kitty kats.
baldilocks on April 20, 2008 at 7:57 PM
pussy
we’ve already explained your options and guess what? you can buy even better health insurance than a Senator
it’s called free enterprise but I’m guessing that’s not an option for you
you favor nannyism because you are a loser
windansea on April 20, 2008 at 8:07 PM
I, for one, did not understand why Ed posted pics of kittens on the “front page” until I read the explaining comments. I don’t think the Boss would have approved. I hope she wouldn’t.
jgapinoy on April 20, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Exactly. I think arguing that I can’t join the plan of a fortune 500 company is one thing, which has some merit, but I don’t understand why I can’t join the government group.
Or, phrased differently, the fact I can’t join the government group seems completely arbitrary in nature for no apparent reason. I am not preventing you from joining your favorite group, nor am I saying that you have to join my group, all I want is to be able to join the same plan that federal employees like Senator McCain have. And again, I don’t mind paying for it.
Anyways, this thread wasn’t about healthcare, my initial question was, is McCain whining when he is said the question about healthcare was a ‘cheap shot’?
I seriously doubt that. And even if that is true, then allow me to make that bad decision on my own.
mycowardice on April 20, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Perhaps, but the boss also likes to use appropriate language to describe the subject matter when it’s deserved.
wise_man on April 20, 2008 at 8:38 PM
jgapinoy on April 20, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Light’n up; life’s too short to get your feathers ruffled over such light weight stuff… Smile, be happy.
Keemo on April 20, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Two weasels having a slapfest. These are the representatives of the two candidates that likely will get the vote of at least 40% of the country.
peacenprosperity on April 20, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Awwwww…. kittens….sorry, what about politics and whatnot?
Capitana on April 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM
They should have monocles and white gloves.
profitsbeard on April 21, 2008 at 12:08 AM
So as it gets tough they cry, “wahh… why cant we talk about issues.. ”
Well.. you two have been going over and repeating the same BS talking points ABOUT THE “issues” this whole time, now its crunch time.
Both of you Hillary and Obama are Extreme Liberal Socialists and want to raise taxes in the face of an economic downturn and on top of that want to expand govt. and socialize medicine, and want to fail in Iraq so that the terrorist have a base to with which to plot and plan attacks from(either on us or our allies)
Also, both of you have said amnesty in the first 100 days without ANY form of border security first.
With these views and the House and Senate controlled by Democrats, Supreme Court Justices and other legislation that would effect us for years to come I cannot see the American people giving ALL the power to one party especially the new Democrats at a time of war.
Chakra Hammer on April 21, 2008 at 2:44 AM
Whomever I support for President has nothing to do with the solid fact that McCain is a liberal, and you know it. So your comment is nothing but a non sequitur, designed to distract from the truth of my statement.
fossten on April 21, 2008 at 8:23 AM
I didn’t think Axelrod was that bad. The Hillary guy (can’t remember his name and don’t feel like scrolling up) was very whiny though.
OneGyT on April 21, 2008 at 9:37 AM