Once McCain decides something, no amount of facts to the contrary, no amount of pressure will change his mind…EVER.

If thwarted he will just pretend to have changed his mind, but continue to work for the same goal, covertly, rather than overtly.

While sticking with your convictions can be an admirable trait, and one that seems lacking in most politicians in both major parties, when you are so obviously wrong about so many things, it is not admirable, but dangerous.

My, it looks like John McCain’s starting to get taken seriously by the MSM. That’s my best explanation for this article in the Washington Post that basically boils down to, “John McCain has a wicked bad temper. Sure you want his finge…

How things have changed. Britain now kowtows to the radical Islam to avoid further bomb attacks in London and lurches back towards the reckless Socialism which Thatcher fought to evict. In our own nation some appear worshipful of the very Clintoon legacy of neglect and self-pleasuring which precipitated 9/11 as venue to promulgate some warped, scattershot vengeance upon McCain.

Go ahead and donate to Hillary but be sure to ask her to protect the Second Amendment. When one chooses to re-endorse the same Clintoon lackadaisacal excesses and neglect of national defense throughout the 1990s one had best be ready to fight the War on Terrorism in our streets because there it most assuredly will be fought. The good old days of JFK never were just as the “changed man” days of Bubba never were. Both are merely repackaged Camelot perceptions of two seedy politicians of dubious parentage. Both of whom paled in comparison to a nation of greater self-sufficiency and strength in the Heartland which kept the nation afloat not because of Washington, DC but DESPITE Washington, DC.

Years back National Lampoon had a fake bumper sticker which simply stated: “Don’t Blame Me I Voted for Hitler.” How interesting that it reminds how of those whom get elected can do so out of misguided wishes for vengeance upon others!

Hillary obviously feels the pain of someone here and I’m wise enough not to try to waste further time convincing one commenter in particular that in reality that Hillary’s love for and fidelity to him may not be the case.

silverfox on April 22, 2008 at 5:49 AM

I just don’t see it. How do you raise hell with McCain? Sure, we managed with McAmnesty, but you know, it wasn’t us that did it. It was and it wasn’t. We raised hell with the other senators, sending them bricks and all that, until they told McCain that they couldn’t back him. The voters won’t stand for it.

McCain led the charge in calling us all racists for wanting to have a secure homeland. He was out there every week telling us on Meet the Press and all those face time shows that we were just racists and didn’t understand that this is what the nation needed.

Bricks stacked in offices around Washington convinced the others that we were right, and then McCain said. “If they want a fence, I think they’re wrong, but I’ll build the goddamn fence.” Of course, being John the Maverick McCain he authorized it, and then put the funding of it off until some future date, and of course, had a date to close the funding on it. That’s this year by the way.

So how do we raise hell with McCain with a Democratic Senate and house? Who do we call to put the brakes on McCain? The Senate? They’re Democrats, and they’ll march in lockstep and vote for McAmnesty, the Iraq war de-funding bill, and all those things that McCain says he won’t do. Then McCain will do them, and say it was in the interest of working with the other side that he did it.

The only thing we can really hope for is that McCain picks someone really good as VP. I don’t think he’ll do that. He won’t share the limelight with any republican. We’ll get some yahoo who makes Danny Quail look like a competent political force. If McCain does die in office with that yahoo in as VP, then we’re going to be pulling the trigger on ourselves for the next twelve years.

Also, with McCain being such a Maverick, let’s say he doesn’t die. He screws the court up by shoving thirty year old Liberals in for the two slots we talked about. So they’re in for the next forty years. Soy nuts join ethanol as the law of the land and we’re better off how?

Nope. I feel like Ronald Reagan at the moment. He was once a Democrat you know. He said he hadn’t changed but the Democratic Party had. Well, I’m not changing, conservative principals work, every single time they’re tried. So why would we put a liberal we’re going to be told to support or else in the White House? Liberal Answers haven’t ever worked, not one time they’re tried. Yet, we’re going to use the Liberal answers, and we’re going forward, out of party unity? What Party? The American Communist? The World Workers? Or the Democratic Party?

If We’ve embraced the Democratic Principals, and the Democratic Values, and are now calling them our own. If it’s true that we need to forget Ronald Reagan and all his great acheivements because no one has the guts to walk in his footsteps, then I’m a Democrat. Not because I’ve changed, but because the Republican Party changed.

I’ll work from inside the Democratic Party, and start to bring back the good old days of the DixieCrats and the ballsy moves of President Kennedy. I’ll bring back the staunch determination of Truman, and Scoop Jackson. I’ll try and leave out the communist infiltrators, but it is the Democrats we’re talking about. There’s bound to be ten percent communists involved somewhere.

Perhaps I’ll again try and talk sense to some Libertarians. Tell them to drop the legalize drugs mantra for a while, and see if they can get some people elected. You know, short of that, they do have some interesting ideas. Of course, those interesting ideas are drowned in the sea of “Legalize it.”

There is very little hope left for our nation, and John McCain isn’t that hope. John McCain has pushed us to this cliff, and shoved us until we’re teetering on the edge. Now, he says he can save us. Sorry John, I don’t trust you anymore. As for going along for Party Unity. I’m far more likely to bite ass than kiss it. Down with McCain. If you’ll excuse me, I need to go donate some more money to Hillary.

Snake307 on April 22, 2008 at 1:57 AM
LegendHasIt on April 22, 2008 at 5:08 AM

I understand, but I think you all are misguided.

It would be better to raise hell with McCain in office than it would be with President Obama.

Snake307 on April 22, 2008 at 1:57 AM

Absolutely well said.
I have made tried to make essentially the same points many times… since 2000, actually, on a national forum, and even earlier during his Senate runs in Arizona while I lived there.

I have a 33 year history with the guy, starting while we were both in uniform, long before anyone (except perhaps himself) had any idea that he would ever seek high office, much less the highest. And while I admire his courage, there is absolutely nothing else about him with which I feel comfortable.

Frankly, I fear the likely results of a McCain Presidency more than I have feared anything in my life. He is in the unique position to destroy nearly everything I hold right and valuable.

I understand and sympathize with the people who will ‘hold their nose and vote’ for what they consider to be the lesser of three evils. But I can’t imagine the circumstances that I would join that crowd. I can forgive an enemy stranger who seeks to harm me, but I can never forgive someone who is supposed to be an ally who betrays what is supposed to be our common cause.

The War on Terror would be lost, and we Conservatives would be blamed since McCain would be the President. The Republican Party would be a minority party for the next fifty years. Every time a Republican would run for the Presidency, we’d hear how he supported McCain’s surrender to the Terrorists.

The Court. McCain has said he wants Conservatives, but not Conservatives like Alito, who wears his conservativism on his sleeve. Oh, and probably not like John Roberts, who was too openly Religious in his comments. So we’re going to get nominees that make Harriet Myers look like a good choice? Great. The court shifts to the left, and the Liberals get a great laugh at us and shove the nation to the left anyway. Heck McCain would probably nominate screaming lefties to keep balance on the court or some such nonsense. “We have to keep an open mind, and by keeping the court balanced, we guarantee that the people are better served.”

Tactical means that you fight where you can win. We can’t win with McCain in the White House, we can only lose. Sure McCain is adamant that he’s not going to pull the troops out of Iraq. He was just as adamant that he wasn’t going to support a Boarder Fence, then he changed his mind. He was just as Adamant that he wouldn’t try and back door amnesty, and he has tried to back door it.

McCain and adamant go together like peanut butter and jelly. He’s adamant that he doesn’t know anything about the economy, but he’s going to fix it anyway. That’s like letting a guy who watched Discovery Channel perform your heart surgery. McCain is potentially the most dangerous candidate running in this election. Hillary is predictable, she’s going to do what the Clinton’s always do, go after enemies. Which at the moment, is half the Democratic Party. She’s going to rip them to shreds for the first two years of her administration. FBI files and all that sort of thing all over again. She’s going to be doing all the old dirty tricks all over again, and that is how we win.

After two years, conservative principals have the option of coming back. Newt’s Contract with America redux. This time, we tie those proposals to budgets, and we push them through. This time we get Conservative agenda items on the board, and we push until we win. Then in 2012, Romney (Who I like but honestly believe he’ll never win the national election) Or someone like that will be our candidate. Hopefully McCain will have taken his place in Arlington by then, so we don’t have to see him straight talk on the wild side again.

There are some good Conservatives out there, and we have a future as Republicans, unless we throw it all away trying to get a loser like McCain in the White House. By the time the Democrats are done, we’ll be done as a party for the next two generations. They already own McCain. He sold his soul to the lefties many decades ago.

No thanks, I’ll pass on President McCain. I don’t even like Senator McCain. I’d honestly prefer city councilman McCain, where he could do much less damage. Of course, I don’t live in Arizona, so I don’t get a say on the Senator thing. I do have a say, and I’ll say it from now till November, and I’ll vote Hillary. I’ll even cast my ballot for Obama, because he’s such a neophyte that it’ll take him two years to figure out where the oval office is, much less what he can do from there. By then, his negatives will be so high, his power as President will already be lame ducking along on the sidelines.

The only way America wins longterm, is by defeating McCain. The only way the Republican Party survives long term, is defeating McCain. The only way that we can have a future anywhere right of the Soviet Union is by defeating McCain. If we don’t, then we’re screwed truly.

See: Jimmy Carter.

I’m in agreement with the trust issue of McCain though the bulk of my post is in reference to Snake307’s posting of 11:05AM.

My immediate concern is our survival of the War on Terrorism for which Hillary is useless, Obambi is dangerous and where McCain at least has the basic understanding of military operations and chain of command.

My long term concern remains the further revision of the Constitution towards ACLU Marxist agendas which we’ve already seen with outright hacks like Buzzy Ginsburg alongside regrettable GOP appointees whom have become World Court narcissists like Anthony Kennedy and David Souter. Ginsburg and Stevens are already barely running on fumes solely to hold out just until hardcore Lefties can be nominated to replace them. We already know both Dems would readily make USSC nominations to the whacked out far-Left. With McCain that remains somewhat less likely.

Instead they bow to political expediency and McCain and his ‘rhetoric’ can be, um… intimidating.

If the current wacky machinations of the 9th Circus Court of Appeals happens to appeal to you then Hillary’s your choice.

You say a lot of the same things I’ve been thinking.

I don’t believe McCain is a Republican. I know the GOP will fight a Dem, but as I stated above, if McCain is in power, the GOP will fear his wrath if they oppose him and probably accept things they shouldn’t rather than risk being ostracised.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don’t give interviews to any reporter with the liberal pre…
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They simply know that with McCain being the presumptive GOP candidate for President, if he gets in he will choose whose butter gets toasted and who doesn’t even get toast.

I can appreciate your point, Snake, if I understand it to basically be that you’d rather know what you’re up against than hopefully depend on an unknown quantity.

I guess I’d rather take a gamble that McCain is going to do what he said he would on those assertions on which I do agree, and believe me there are a number to which I disagree, rather than chance the opporotunity to hand over the reigns to someone I know who wouldn’t have the country in her best interest, but her own desire for power. You must also see that recent history paints the republicans in office as mostly whimps…you’re also coming up against a president who is going to be handed the Supreme Court on a silver platter…

No, it’s not the best scenario, but I still must vote with someone who holds more of those I do stand for than less. I couldn’t vote for someone who I know is not pro-life. Nor could I support someone who is unsupportive of the Defense of Marriage. Someone who has vowed to withdraw troops from a war in which we are doing some good (the Iraquis are doing most of the work… contrary to popular liberal opinion.. I learned from Michael Yawn) cannot get my vote.

My first choice would not be McCain at all. Given the choices we do have, isn’t he the lesser of the three evils? I just hope that McCain will make the commitment to uphold Conservative precepts and not cave to his Liberal cronies…

CynicalOptimist on April 21, 2008 at 9:40 AM

That’s my point exactly, with McCain, you hope you’re getting a conservative, while we have no evidence to support that hope. Frankly, you’d be better off believing in Santa Clause than McCain the Conservative. Nothing about the Senator has been Conservative. He voted against Tax Cuts, at the time, claiming we couldn’t afford it. Now, pretending he objected to the rich getting the cuts. Oh, successful people shouldn’t get a fair tax rate too?

He’s opposed every single conservative idea. He claims to be Pro Life, but opposed a Constitutional Amendment, which is along with another landmark Supreme Court case, is the only way to realistically get the abomination of abortion abolished. So he’s pro life, unless it might work, then he’s pro choice? WTF?

McCain as President is sort of like the worst possible means of birth control. It’s frankly the exact same thing. You pull and pray that things work out. No thanks.

I’ll take Hillary, because if I’m going to be fighting the President’s health care initiatives, Amnesty proposals, and tax increase proposals, then frankly, I’d like the Republican Party helping to fight those things, instead of being told we owe it to the Republican party to support the President as he marches in lockstep with the Democrats.

No, I’ll take Hillary, who I honestly believe is more conservative. I’ll take Hillary who will look at focus group and polling data and back away from the more socialist collective ideals. McCain won’t. If everyone is against him, he’ll declare “I’m the Maverick for a reason.” And push for his ideas anyway.

The only selling point on McCain is that he’s really really old. Of course, that point depends on who he chooses for Vice President, and I’m still going to categorize that as a pull and pray move.

Pull and pray is almost never effective, and if I can’t get the team I want to fight with, then I’ll pick the one I’d rather fight against. Go Hillary.

Face it, McCain is a nasty hot head. He lets his anger get the best of him far too often. His declaration that opposition to his brokered amnesty deal was racism by stupid people, for example, is a case where the mean bitter REAL John McCain was in evidence.

There may well be times when McCain’s nasty temper might be productive but I fear that he will reserve his bile and temper tantrums for Republicans instead of going to bat to stop Pelosi, Reid, and all the rest of his friends in Congress.

You know, like that fight scene in The Quiet Man, when John Wayne fought it out with his brother-in-law all over the village and got it out of their systems, then they went to the pub.

Heal up your “dukes” until 2 and 4 years from now. Until then, have a Guinness, or whatev.

silverfox on April 21, 2008 at 3:04 AM

I like your reference very much, but I believe J. Wayne and B. Fitzgerald returned to fighting shortly after their drink. :)

As funky is saying, anyone who’s associated with Ted Sampley is not to be trusted, and that goes especially for former senator Smith. In using these “sources”, the WaPo was either very stupid, or deliberately putting out a deceitful hit piece.

The “silent majority” of Americans are angry about being manipulated and overtaxed, etc.

If McCain can project himself NOT as the whipping boy for progressive liberals to bully for his so-called moderate fake diplomacy (sell-out), but if McCain can project hiS anger as honest disgust towards sell-outs, then the “silent majority” of American voters would feel vindicated. But sadly, that propaganda manipulation would be undeserving, since McCain IS a sell-out.

Hence, chest conservative hands of cards in this election’s game of poker. DON’T give McCain support until McCain signs his name to conservative border security’s NON-LEGALIZATION of illegal aliens. We must have secure borders and the GOVERNMENTAL adherence to our Constitutional Law. That is the role of the Chief Executive, to execute the law! So where is McCain amongst all of the sell-outs? While Obama and Hillary are enjoying their own love-fest, now is the time to get McCain, not for McCain to get you.

quid pro quo

McCain’s Weak Rebuttal to Damaging Allegations…
http://www.alternet.org/election08/82591/

…scroll down toward the bottom to read more unfounded allegations…?

Summary. In late 1985-early 1986, a “POW rescue” caper developed around claims made by Mark Smith, Major, US Army (retired) that he had a videotape showing several live US POWs. Before this phony story ended, it involved a large group of bad actors and fools, including Smith, Senator (then representative) Bob Smith, Billy Hendon, Ted Sampley and an international criminal, Robin Gregson. This is a long and bizarre story — here it comes.

First, the actors

The main characters in this story are a who’s-who of dumbasses surrounding the MIA issue. They are:

Mark Smith, Major, US Army, (Retired). If you are not familiar with Mark Smith, you can read about him here.
William “Just Call Me Billy” Hendon, former member of Congress.
Senator Bob Smith (R, NH); at the time of this caper Smith was a Representative.
Ted Sampley, publisher of a third-rate “veterans” newspaper; claims to be a former Special Forces trooper.
And others who will pop up in the telling of this story.

http://www.miafacts.org/tapecaper.htm

After dealing with Washington’s career, Brookhiser turns to character, the core of the book. He finds Washington’s character compounded of his nature, his morals, and his ideas; and he explains their relationship. His natural good looks and passionate temper forced people to take notice of him, and his ideas (much underestimated by his modern biographers) gave him direction. But his morals, especially his concern for civility and reputation, held him together, connected him with his fellow Americans, and gave power to his ideas.

Washington also had a hot temper, and he took advantage of that, too, by letting it show now and again so that people were afraid of it. As a result even his self-control was impressive and he got credit for both keeping and losing his temper.

Washington’s morals took the form of politeness in doing honor to others and in accepting honors from them. Honor is the spring of monarchy, said Montesquieu, but Washington practiced the honor due among equals or near equals, republican honor.

Actually a great book review/article:
http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/14/mar96/mansfld.htm