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Politico: Debate outrage proves media bias — in favor of Obama

posted at 8:27 pm on April 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Politico reporters John Harris and Jim VandeHei review the outrage from offended journalists over the ABC debate this week with a particularly jaundiced eye. They claim it proves exactly what they have themselves experienced in their work — starry-eyed reporters who wind up having to be “de-toxed” from their crushes on Barack Obama:

In fact, the balance of political questions (15) to policy questions (13) was more substantive than other debates this year that prompted no deluge of protests. The difference is that this time there were more hard questions for Obama than for Clinton.

Moreover, those questions about Jeremiah Wright, about Obama’s association with 1960s radical William Ayers, about apparent contradictions between his past and present views on proven wedge issues like gun control, were entirely in-bounds. If anything they were overdue for a front-runner and likely nominee.

If Obama was covered like Clinton is, one feels certain the media focus would not have been on the questions, but on a candidate performance that at times seemed tinny, impatient, and uncertain.

The difference seems clear: Many journalists are not merely observers but participants in the Obama phenomenon.

(Harris only here: As one who has assigned journalists to cover Obama at both Politico and the Washington Post, I have witnessed the phenomenon several times. Some reporters come back and need to go through de-tox, to cure their swooning over Obama’s political skill. Even VandeHei seemed to have been bitten by the bug after the Iowa caucus.)

(VandeHei only here: There is no doubt reporters are smitten with Obama’s speeches and promises to change politics. I find his speeches, when he’s on, pretty electric myself. It certainly helps his cause that reporters also seem very tired of the Clintons and their paint-by-polls approach to governing.)

Harris and VandeHei worry that this phenomenon will damage the media industry much more than the political process. They have four main concerns about the Obama-crush they see in their colleagues, especially in the irrational vitriol that followed a debate that didn’t appreciably differ from most of the rest on both sides of the partisan divide this year. How many times did Mike Huckabee have to answer questions on evolution, for instance, or Mitt Romney about his gardeners and his Mormonism? The concerns are:

  • The adoption of personal points of view in reporting news
  • The rise and influence of a “liberal echo chamber”
  • Lines blurring between journalism and advocacy, such as with HuffPo
  • A demand to cover politics in Utopian terms instead of in reality

I see the first two as much more problematic than the latter two. I don’t see much evidence that the last exists at all. Reporters sometimes report negative campaigning as somehow a new and wholly undesirable part of American politics, but they do report it. The Huffington Post is an impressive enterprise, and has a few writers from the traditional media on its staff, but it is a blog and not a major media outlet. It doesn’t even have all that much pretense at objective reporting as opposed to relentlessly left-wing commentary, and so most people know exactly what they get when they read HuffPo.

However, Harris and VandeHei nail it with the first entry on the list. Too many reporters want to either make themselves a part of the story, with Keith Olbermann as the most egregious example. No one thinks reporters should be mindlessly hostile, but they should avoid personal connections with their subjects if they expect to have their work taken seriously. Fawning sycophantry can be read at the candidates’ websites easily enough; readers shouldn’t have to endure it in the news sections of their local newspapers.

And if we needed a confirmation of the existence of these fawning sycophants, the media reaction the two Politico reporters describe provides it. Instead of remembering that reporters are paid to ask tough questions about open issues to government officials and political candidates, these “journalists” would rather that ABC had left them unaddressed entirely. These same voices uttered nary a peep during earlier Republican debates that featured silliness after silliness.

VandeHei went through his detox. Apparently most of the American media needs to find their way to a rehab center for shills in the near future.


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Yep, this is the reason why I think he has good chance of winning in November.

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 8:34 PM

It’s a great read. I’ve grown to really like politico.

p0s3r on April 18, 2008 at 8:35 PM

That’s why I chose, economically to not support the MSM. I don’t tune in, they don’t get advertising residuals, ect ect ect. I get most of my news from the internet (MM and HA being my first stops always). Modern day reporters make me gag.

gator70 on April 18, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Just imagine the reaction if Bush whined and cried like this that press people were being mean to him.

No one would care.

Terrye on April 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM

terryoneline:

I dunno, I think it can backfire after awhile.

Terrye on April 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM

It’s a pernicious liberal conceit that they are more intelligence, informed and educated than conservatives, whom they stereotype as religious hicks in the sticks. Hence, they feel a special dispensation to not only govern us according to their superior wisdom, but to dispense with journalistic objectivity in favor of spreading what is patently obvious to the intellectual superior as enlightenment.

NNtrancer on April 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM

I know the evening news is a dying format but FOX really needs to put on an evening newscast on its broadcast network. Maybe it won’t make money in 12 years but all three major networks make plenty of money on their newscasts currently and balance is desperately needed for people who don’t use the internet, don’t watch cable, and don’t closely follow politics.

D0WNT0WN on April 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Just imagine the reaction if Bush whined and cried like this that press people were being mean to him.

The press has been horrible to him. Just a few weeks ago I was watching the CBS News Evening News and they were talking about the recession and then they cut to a clip of Bush smiling and joking. Talk about not being balanced. And no I haven’t seen him complain.

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Yep, this is the reason why I think he has good chance of winning in November.

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 8:34 PM

I am praying that sometime before November someone shouts out to the crowd that his royal highness is not wearing any clothes.

Rod on April 18, 2008 at 8:44 PM

In regard to the general outrage:

I’m willing to concede the questions were more difficult for bama then Hillary (and the opposite was also true in early debates). But I would contend that it was reflective of the political atmosphere in general. The conversation was on Hillary’s negatives, but shifted to Obama’s recently. It is only fitting that the debates should reflect the current voter dialogue.

Spirit of 1776 on April 18, 2008 at 8:50 PM

Obama is similar to the emperor in the story “The Emperor’s Clothes.” So many are caught up in his charisma that they ignore what’s glaringly obvious about the man. He’s getting a pass on some major issues that would long ago have brought down any other candidate – Democrat or Republican.

themediansib on April 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM

I’m willing to concede the questions were more difficult for bama then Hillary (and the opposite was also true in early debates)

True. I actually thought the question about the “Do you think Wright loves America as much as you?” was absolutely ridiculous and crossed the line.

But again it’s like other presidential candidate haven’t had to answer ridiculous questions.

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 8:54 PM

I could be wrong,but the turning on Bush occured when
President Bush was on the Aircraft carrier,and he said
“End of Combat Operations”,the Lefty MSM had a GASP!

But,this is juicy,Liberal journalists having a cow over
other Lefty journalists!

Here’s the real kicker,In the ABC debate Obama and Hillary
got a taste of what it feels like to be a Republican!

When Republicans are in debates,sometimes their asked the stupidst questions,the shoe is on the other foot,haha how
does it feel!

canopfor on April 18, 2008 at 8:56 PM

D0WNT0WN on April 18, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Speaking of FOX (I will take quite the liberty here) once again O’Reilly is on his knees for Obama tonight. Bill actually said that Talking Points likes Obama and that all The Messiah needs to do is apologize for Rev. Wright and all will be forgiven. According to Billy the debate was really unfair, George and John did gang up on Obama the poor baby. O’Reilly is far more a pinhead than I thought. Maybe MKH should re-evaluate her need for face time by appearing on his show, I’m afraid her stock is losing value at the hands of this moron!

dmann on April 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Yep, this is the reason why I think he has good chance of winning in November.
terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Obama stands no chance of winning in November; the DNC knows this very well at this point. Hillary stands no chance of winning in November either; the DNC has known this for several months now. If fact, the remaining super delegates are holding out for good reason. The media knew these two candidates were troublesome (at best) before the primary season started, which is why they put their support firmly behind McCain on the GOP side while aiming all weapons directly at Romney (closest thing to a Conservative in the field).

Keemo on April 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM

which is why they put their support firmly behind McCain on the GOP side

You know I have been surprised that haven’t gone full assault on him. Although, I wouldn’t be surprised if and when they do:)

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 9:01 PM

The criticism over the (roughly) one-sided nature of this debate would have substance had Obama not been given a fawning press for nearly a year.

Sure, they could have asked Clinton more difficult questions. But I don’t recall reading any complaints from Greg Mitchell et al. about the press not being tough enough on Obama until now.

But oy vey, Olbermann complaining about unfair journalism?

SteveMG on April 18, 2008 at 9:03 PM

dmann on April 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM

O’Reilly does do some good; esp. by attacking Judges that refuse to punish those who bring harm to our children. His politics are hard to read at times, therefore I tend to ignore his rants when addressing the political issues.

Keemo on April 18, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Speaking of FOX (I will take quite the liberty here) once again O’Reilly is on his knees for Obama tonight. Bill actually said that Talking Points likes Obama and that all The Messiah needs to do is apologize for Rev. Wright and all will be forgiven.

I actually saw O’Reilly tonight (hadn’t watched in while) but all he was doing was complimenting Obama. You can like the opponent and compliment them and that doesn’t mean you support them. No big deal.

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 9:04 PM

CYA becomes CHA.

(Cover His A$$.)

Barry has no chance in November.

His montonous, strident, petulent vocalizations will become as tedious to the ear of the average voters as Hillary’s cackle.

McCain sweeps with 36 states to 14.

The MSM’s whiny and juvenile defenses of Obumble notwithstanding.

profitsbeard on April 18, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Why is it that none of this makes me think any worse of the mainstream media than I did before I read it?

Cicero43 on April 18, 2008 at 9:06 PM

McCain sweeps with 36 states to 14.

I really doubt. The past two elections have been close and I think this one will be as well. I think the American people have become too partisan, they will vote their side no matter how weak their candidate is.

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 9:08 PM

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Agreed… Although it will be tough for the MSM to go nuts on McCain the way they did with Bush in the lead up to the 2004 cycle, simply because they are on record for several years now promoting McCain and providing cover for him during hard times.

Keemo on April 18, 2008 at 9:09 PM

I’ve been saying it over and over, again and again for long time.

And people got tired of me repeating it.

But It’s true, and I knew it.

Hussein is all about looks.

We are going to have an immature boy in the White House and I am very sad about how it all came down.

I am very sad to see fools and idiots in -supposedly- the most advanced technologically, the most rich, the most powerful militarily, the smartest nation on Earth.

I can’t believe that there are a majority of Americans who are so shallow, so naive, so stupid in this great nation.

How this nation is still great? I have no idea. It could be because of its Military.

One thing I know for sure. This greatness will not last for long.

America is on the path of its demise.

And as I always say, the American people and their choice of incompetent leaders is what will destroy America, not a foreign entity.

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 9:11 PM

terryannonline-

My instinct for the end results has been quite good for the past four elections.

I, too, would have thought this coming election would be a close until Obama’s recent shucking and jiving about his bigoted, hysterical preacher Wright and his mad-bomber buddy Ayers, along with his increasingly boring, pompous voice.

McCain only has to sound adult, emphasize his military heroism, and let Obama metamorphosize into a complete, cantankerous carp.

profitsbeard on April 18, 2008 at 9:15 PM

Loved the article. The MSM are the most ridiculous outlets for news in history. Their agendas were revealed once the “anointed one” was exposed for his idiocy and ‘unholiness.’ Politico is absolutely right on with their article. But it took them that long to see that the media is in the tank for Obama?

jencab on April 18, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Ed Morrissey, thank you for not posting a photo of Hussein.

Please use his caricature.

And Huckabee too.

Thank you.

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Yep, this is the reason why I think he has good chance of winning in November.

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 8:34 PM

I used to think the liberal drive-bys were a clear advantage to the Democrats. Not sure about that anymore, after watching them reassure John F’in Kerry that everything was just peachy.

And Bambi looks to be suffering the effects of too much hero worship from the press. He cannot handle tough questions.

I think it’s John Sidney McCain’s election to lose, at this point. I’m wondering if we the people can stop amnesty one more time, along with his economy-killing carbon tax scheme.

Simultaneous optimism that the Republican will win, and depression that the Republican is John Sidney McCain.

MCCAIN ‘08: HE WON’T WRECK AMERICA AS BAD AS OBAMA WILL!

misterpeasea on April 18, 2008 at 9:28 PM

And they apparently didn’t notice this with the coverage Pres Bush, VP Cheney, and COndi RIce have received for the past 8 years? What does that say about them?

exhelodrvr on April 18, 2008 at 9:32 PM

You know I have been surprised that haven’t gone full assault on him. Although, I wouldn’t be surprised if and when they do:)

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 9:01 PM

The MSM is always focused on the “story”. Right now, that’s Obama and Hillary. Once the nominee is settled, it’ll begin.

The DNC, however, is getting ready.

BacaDog on April 18, 2008 at 9:36 PM

American journalists and politicians are wimps. Neither would survive in Britain. (And no American President would ever submit to PMQs.)

Tzetzes on April 18, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Operation Chaos:

VandeHei only here: There is no doubt reporters are smitten with Obama’s speeches and promises to change politics. I find his speeches, when he’s on, pretty electric myself. It certainly helps his cause that reporters also seem very tired of the Clintons and their paint-by-polls approach to governing

Obama is the only democrat with more balls than Hillary. And he’s proving that he can sound just as black when the need arises
Shock and Awe

myamphibian on April 18, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Not sure about that anymore, after watching them reassure John F’in Kerry that everything was just peachy.

Well, it was a close race. And when you think of it’s kind of surprising he was that close when running against a “war president.”

terryannonline on April 18, 2008 at 9:41 PM

along with his increasingly boring, pompous voice.

profitsbeard on April 18, 2008 at 9:15 PM

And his defensiveness, self-righteousness, and in the last few days exposed (Emperor) nakedness. He’s been unveiled, at last, and there’s nothing there, there, for the media, and the general election more sane people.

If McCain wins, Indy Conservative/terryannonline buy a good bottle of red wine for profitsbeard and Entelechy, and we discuss world travels, good reads, and naive people.

If Obama wins, profitsbeard and Entelechy buy whatever drink is preferred to/by terryannonline and Indy Conservative, with hearty congratulations, and we discuss the demise of America, and the world, first into socialism, then Marxism and concurrently into other tyrannies.

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:41 PM

…blurring lines between journalism & advocacy, such as Huffpo

…& Rolling Stone, & Newsweek, & NBC, & NPR, & PBS, & Mother Jones…

jgapinoy on April 18, 2008 at 9:42 PM

The DNC, however, is getting ready.

BacaDog on April 18, 2008 at 9:36 PM

The filthy rich RNC is not resting on its laurels either.

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:44 PM

Rule Number 1: Talk about media fascination with Obama as to ignore the media fascination with McCain.

Nonfactor on April 18, 2008 at 9:50 PM

The filthy rich RNC is not resting on its laurels either.

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:44 PM

Sure they are. I hope they’re filling the vaults.

For now though, the RNC can save their money and just archive the Obama and Hillary ads for use this fall.

BacaDog on April 18, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:41 PM

If McCain wins, he’ll appoint Hussein as Secretary of State.

And then we can think about moving to Canada.

Coming?

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Nonfactor, talk about the ultimate ménage à trois, the media, McCain and Obama. Pity the media.

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:52 PM

BacaDog, smart indeed, as the ads write themselves, gratis. It’s a wonderful world, it really is.

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:53 PM

And then we can think about moving to Canada.

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Better start saving for that wine. We’re staying right here. I love canopfor, but we’re not moving. We’re fighting, and you’re getting out of that depression, and will fight along with us Indy.

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:55 PM

The so-called mainstream media in this country is actually a large, effective left wing propaganda machine. It can be neutralized to a great extent by exposing its agenda and challenging its product. They have molded, painted and marketed Obama but they’re having a great deal of trouble controlling his animation and behavior. Defeating the machine will be difficult but certainly not impossible. So far a very effective countermeasure has been to simply let Obama destroy himself. After this liberal media darling is nominated the GOP, 527s, conservative talk radio/TV and the McCain camp, must mount a relentless campaign that will reveal his incompetence, his Marxist/socialist agenda, and, his general political sociological repulsiveness. Nice guys will not be the winners in the next presidential election.

rplat on April 18, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Damn right. And, it’s hard to blame the VRWC when a fellow lib is making the case.

BacaDog on April 18, 2008 at 9:57 PM

And then we can think about moving to Canada.

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Better start saving for that wine. We’re staying right here. I love canopfor, but we’re not moving. We’re fighting, and you’re getting out of that depression, and will fight along with us Indy.

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Ok, assuming we vote for McCain, how can we make any difference when the media is on Hussein’s side, and he’s gaining popularity every time he’s been attacked. How can you explain that? How can McCain win when he doesn’t have the majority? I’m trying to be realistic. That’s all.

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Ok, assuming we vote for McCain, how can we make any difference when the media is on Hussein’s side,

Those pinheads only get one vote like the rest of us. So, vote and make it count.

BacaDog on April 18, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Ok, assuming we vote for McCain, how can we make any difference when the media is on Hussein’s side, and he’s gaining popularity every time he’s been attacked. How can you explain that? How can McCain win when he doesn’t have the majority? I’m trying to be realistic. That’s all.

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Nonfactor has it right, the media is in love with both. That’s why I said “Pity the media”. They’ll have to give up a lover, and chose one, and they’ll split the task among themselves. Both are media darlings, and you know this.

They also, in spite of being Utopian whores, don’t like to be had. They’ve realized in the last ten days that their ‘lover’ is an Emperor with no clothes, contrary to their previous assumptions. They don’t like to be deceived, no, no, no. This is the ‘intelligent’ elite, don’t forget. They also don’t like billionaires, and love to side with the “average American”. So much for the media, for starters.

The electorate in the general is not even remotely similar to this one. The far right will either not vote or hold their noses really tight and pull the trigger, in the last moment, for McCain. The center is his, and the independents are going with him in the majority, for obvious reasons. Reagan democrats are going to split, but a good contingent of the Hillary folks will go with McCain. Bill and Hillary will see to that, no matter what they tell the cameras.

Look, Hillary, if she loses, will wish to run again in 2012. She can only do that under a McCain, and not under an Obama presidency (unless the Obama one is a total disaster and the lefties see some light, which they won’t).

The country wants change from Bush, and from the Clintons, but not the kind that Obama has in mind. He’s a blatant Marxist and his wife is an anarchist. The silent majority, and average Joe/Mary is not going to fall for any of that, no matter what the party, and in McCain they have a fairly liberal alternative, not to your/our liking, I know. I can live with him way better than with Obama. For me they all will be devastating to the country, but in this order: McCain, then Hillary, then the most Obama.

Economy – many will vote on the economy, and many won’t and we’ll discuss that, many times btw now and then. Plus, as bad as some indicators are, the economy is still good.

I predict that Obama wins the primary and loses the general, and you’re buying.

Entelechy on April 18, 2008 at 10:17 PM

This is Obama’s actual biggest weakness: Perception of media bias in his favor. Even when savagely attacked it persists and judging by this article, will continue to persist. Once a narrative has been made it’s almost impossible to escape it with the pundits.

Typhonsentra on April 18, 2008 at 10:20 PM

I find myself leaning toward the “its gonna be close, here comes the throw” crowd.

Two main reasons:

1. The vast hordes of Obamatrons, they are exactly that, programmed, brainwashed, drooling. Be they motivated by guilt, liberal socialists, subscribers of identity politics or just plain thick as a brick, there are a lot of them.

2. The simple message of Change, which is wildly appealing because it is an inherent part of human nature, a core strategy that has enabled survival and truimph. Change will look very powerful when both Obama and McCain appear together, much like JFK vs. Nixon. We can help deprogram some Obamatrons and hope McCains handlers teach the ol dog to keep his cool and look, feel, smell of experience, authority and competence.

dmann on April 18, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Obama and Clinton whine because they were finally challenged, especially Barry O.

Barry’s ignorance of marginal tax rates is appalling because it is such an easy subject for anyone to reseach and deal with. This man goes to Das Kapital to understand what he is to do about economics. Hell, even the Russians are no longer there, if Putin is trying to get back there. Zimbabwe, anyone? Barry O cannot learn anything Wright does not tell him. A poor recommendation for POTUS.

Hillary is much in the same mode, because she is far from the smartest woman in the world, whatever she thinks, and the money is coming from people who see themselves as insulated from stupid decisions (Soros comes to mind, Buffet, too), elite, so much more intelligent than the rest of us, and finally, that the rest of us are only going to reach our peak utility with their direction and in service to the state as they define it.

Um, Hitler was of the same mind.

They are humanitarians who find humans a problem to be managed.

I don’t like what they think I am.

Harry Schell on April 18, 2008 at 10:38 PM

Part of the fun of this campaign is watching the factional lines crack open in the mainstream media. Most of them are starry-eyed Obama partisans, but they’re beginning to feel the pressure of the Clinton loyalists that have been salted through the MSM since the 90s. The younger reporters are jockeying for the position of court stenographer to King Barry the Wise, and they’re excited about writing themselves into the history books as part of a historic movement, the 21st century answer to Arthur Schlesinger buttling for the Kennedys. Some of the more seasoned media figures have begun to realize they let their dreams of Obama blind them to the reality, and a few of the eldest have known since the second week of the Wright scandal that he’s completely unelectable. They’re going to team up with the wheezy old leftover feminists and Clintonistas to write a different Great Historical Narrative: the tale of St. Hillary’s once-in-a-century comeback, and how she saved the party from a McGovernite drubbing. On the other hand, I think the Clintonistas underestimated how much lingering contempt and revulsion for Bill exists among the media class, many of whom have a sour aftertaste from spending 1998 making fools of themselves protecting him. Some of those people have spent years wondering if the price they paid for keeping Bill in office was worth it – the rise of the alternative media, the near-total destruction of the feminist movement, the election of Bush, the growing distaste among the public for the media class… those will be the media figures to watch in the coming months. Revulsion for the Clintons is neatly balanced against nervousness about Obama, and a dash of genuine affection for McCain. The “middle aged” journalists could jump either way, and a real civil war in the MSM could be the result.

Doctor Zero on April 19, 2008 at 12:18 AM

My local paper has had one anti-Hillary cartoon that I cut out.

The other day it had an anti-Obama one too.

Patience is a virtue.

Domino on April 19, 2008 at 12:31 AM

None of the, so-called, reporters are actually reporters, they are partisan activists.

A true reporter seeks the answers to the five W’s and an H — nothing more!

OldEnglish on April 19, 2008 at 3:22 AM

There is no doubt reporters are smitten

It’s a good thing the Deciders are experts at journalism or this might seep into their work.

benrand on April 19, 2008 at 5:55 AM

To reply 1-

They were deep in the tank for Kerry and it did not help. In fact the liberal echo chamber caused them to assume they had an unassailable war hero as their pick (by their I mean newspaper flackies).

Now the echo chamber is telling them they have a great speaker. Well, I haven’t heard it. No substance. Silly platitudes. Bizarre understanding of economics.

They are setting themselves up AGAIN.

Lonetown on April 19, 2008 at 5:59 AM

This new news is just like the old news. Some facts never change. Only the faces of the talking robots heads do.

DannoJyd on April 19, 2008 at 6:59 AM

The VP side of the ticket might make a huge difference in the general. I’m putting my money on Wesley Clark being the other half of the Dem. ticket for Hillary. Edwards for the Obama ticket and I have no clue about the McCain match-up….any thoughts? Favorites? Deal-breakers?

JetBlast on April 19, 2008 at 7:36 AM

But were not moving.We’re fighting and your getting out of
that depression and will fight along with us Indy.

Entelechy on April 17,2008 at 9:55PM.

Entelechy:Were not stopping,were not holding,were going
right through the enemy,and I don’t want to hear
that were**&^^&%%& holding.

General Patton’s Address to the Troops.

Link:www.pattonhq.com/speech.html.

canopfor on April 19, 2008 at 7:54 AM

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 9:51 PM

What a stupid thing to say, I wish I could say I was suprised.

Squid Shark on April 19, 2008 at 7:54 AM

Ok, assuming we vote for McCain, how can we make any difference when the media is on Hussein’s side, and he’s gaining popularity every time he’s been attacked. How can you explain that? How can McCain win when he doesn’t have the majority? I’m trying to be realistic. That’s all.

Indy Conservative on April 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Indy, it sounds like you’ve given up before the fight started. Sorry to hear that . . . good luck.

rplat on April 19, 2008 at 8:18 AM

I think as a society we have become to civilized. Personally, I think when someone does you wrong, you should have two options available to you: the courts and a healthy ass kicking. Some of these pansies have no fear of the legal process, they have money, lawyers and insurance. If they were putting their asses up as collateral, they may think twice about some of the stuff they say. there is something to be said for swift immediate and painful justice. It worked against bullies when I was in school, would probably still work on these wankers.

rgranger on April 19, 2008 at 8:27 AM

As for the substance of the controversy over the ABC debate, Peter Wehner gets the last word:

Consider this thought experiment: Assume that a conservative candidate for the GOP nomination spent two decades at a church whose senior pastor was a white supremacist who uttered ugly racial (as well as anti-American) epithets from the pulpit. Assume, too, that this minister wasn’t just the candidate’s pastor but also a close friend, the man who married the candidate and his wife, baptized his two daughters, and inspired the title of his best-selling book.

In addition, assume that this GOP candidate, in preparing for his entry into politics, attended an early organizing meeting at the home of a man who, years before, was involved in blowing up multiple abortion clinics and today was unrepentant, stating his wish that he had bombed even more clinics. And let’s say that the GOP candidate’s press spokesman described the relationship between the two men as “friendly.”

Do you think that if those moderating a debate asked the GOP candidate about these relationships for the first time, after 22 previous debates had been held, that other journalists would become apoplectic at the moderators for merely asking about the relationships? Not only would there be a near-universal consensus that those questions should be asked; there would be a moral urgency in pressing for answers. We would, I predict, be seeing an unprecedented media “feeding frenzy.”

The truth is that a close relationship with a white supremacist pastor and a friendly relationship with an abortion clinic bomber would, by themselves, torpedo a conservative candidate running for president. There is an enormous double standard at play here, one rooted in the fawning regard many journalists have for Barack Obama. They have a deep, even emotional, investment in his candidacy. And, as we are seeing, they will turn on anyone, even their colleagues, who dare raise appropriate and searching questions–the kind journalists are supposed to ask. The reaction to Stephanopoulos and Gibson is a revealing and depressing glimpse into the state of modern journalism.

Keemo on April 19, 2008 at 8:27 AM

Ed writes, “Too many reporters want to either make themselves a part of the story….”

Bravo. Sorta reminds me of the line:

“But enough about meWhat do you think about me?!”

IMHO it’s the remaining residue of the “Woodward and Bernstein School of Reporting.”

Lockstein13 on April 19, 2008 at 8:29 AM

The need for a balanced approach ended when the Big 3 monopoly ended.

When there were only 3 networks, the MSM had to be somewhat balanced to attract viewers.

Now that there are zillions of blogs, cable networks, etc. so everyone can view and read about their own particular ideology.

This will drive more zealotry from both sides. And less and less independents.

faraway on April 19, 2008 at 8:35 AM

The New York Times Company, the parent of The New York Times, posted a $335,000 loss in the first quarter — one of the worst periods the company and the newspaper industry have seen — falling far short of both analysts’ expectations and its $23.9 million profit in the quarter a year earlier.

faraway on April 19, 2008 at 8:35 AM

Couldn’t disagree more. When the big (3) networks had the monopoly over the news, what we got was really well disguised agenda driven biased news. The invent of cable news brought into play “real time” news reporting, shattering the ability of the big (3) to mold their stories over 24 hour cycles. The invent of internet news/blogs brought into play “truth detectors/fact finders” who blew the cover right off fabricated agenda driven reporting (Charles Johnson/Rathergate).

The NYT is an example of the past, as they have continued to print agenda driven biased stories as if the new media didn’t exist. Of coarse, they didn’t help themselves by printing top secret military/defense programs.

Ask anybody over at the LAT if old ways/methods of doing business have played out successfully for them. These Liberal power houses are all going to die the slow death they are so deserving of; American’s are a proud people that don’t care much for having been played for fools.

Keemo on April 19, 2008 at 8:52 AM

And goodness knows we are all aware of the strong character and integrity of MSM journalists and other narrators. http://www.nypost.com/seven/04192008/news/regionalnews/kinky_news_networkcnns_quest_a_very_knot_107174.htm

rplat on April 19, 2008 at 9:02 AM

Lines blurring between journalism and advocacy…

How is this less problematic? More maybe, but not less, IMO.

I’d call HuffPo a misleading example, since HuffPo is somewhat
sui generis. More illustrative of agenda journalism would be TIME mag on Gorebull Warming.

petefrt on April 19, 2008 at 9:32 AM

I am getting the impression that many of you believe that the MSN is in love with John McCain. You may remember their love affair with him when he was running against President Bush the first time.

I believe that the MSN really hates McCain, and will turn on him in a horrible way just as soon as the Diminocrat candidate is chosen. Mark my words, there will be 24/7 negative news about old John.

TimothyJ on April 19, 2008 at 1:20 PM

IN LOVE WITH OBAMA: Obama-orous.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on April 19, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Or to allow them to proclaim that “we are the change that we are seeking.” Or to once again bash George W. Bush.

We are the change that we are seeking“. Heh, just heh.

His gracefully written autobiographical “Dreams From My Father” — we could learn, if we could get through all 464 pages — is a story not of transcending racial barriers but of developing a black and African identity.

Obama fans are upset that ABC News’ Stephanopoulos and Charlie Gibson broke the unwritten rule that you are not supposed to ask Democratic candidates about these things. Associations with unrepentant radicals and comments made to contributors at a San Francisco fund-raiser in a billionaire’s mansion are supposed to be kept indoors. Only the face that the candidate wants to place before the public should be seen.

Beliefs that most activist liberals share should be kept under wraps if they are unpopular with most of the voting public. That is how mainstream media have operated for the last generation or more. But not at Philadelphia’s Constitution Center on April 16. The rules had changed. And Barack Obama was not well prepared.

Entelechy on April 19, 2008 at 4:24 PM

The media are at fault for not vetting the candidates well before the 23 debates.

The anger by some of the talking heads or journalists in the tank for Obama is an expression of their outrage at being exposed for being less than scrupulous in researching facts and background about their candidate of choice.

onlineanalyst on April 19, 2008 at 5:59 PM

Apparently most of the American media needs to find their way to a rehab center for shills in the near future.

Obama may get a serious case of backlash if so. One can only hope.

easy on April 19, 2008 at 6:59 PM

At this point the Dems are faced with the prospect of choosing between two unelectable candidates. As Obambi becomes increasingly tarnished, even the liberal sycophants in the media will begin to drift away; “success has a thousand fathers; failure is an orphan.”

According to one report I heard, not even the ‘pledged’ delegates to the Democrat convention are required to vote their pledges, not even on the first ballot. Is this true? If so, you could see a sudden movement to a ‘white knight’. Who would it be? Algore? Cuomo? It would almost have to be a governor, but I can’t think of one well-enough known to galvanize the convention.

MrLynn on April 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM

I wish people (the voters) were smart as the posters here, unfortunately, people don’t analyze things like you do.

A lot of people vote according to the 6:30 p.m. networks news.

Most people watch few short clips of a candidate and decide according to what they see. They don’t take the pain of researching, analyzing and dissecting.

Many people vote because they follow loved ones, relatives, or friends’ decision.

Let’s be honest, the majority of the American voters are sheep.

Indy Conservative on April 19, 2008 at 9:11 PM

One noticable media trick to lesson the damage to Obama from the Wright and Ayers stories is to report part of scandal while omiting its worst elements. For instance, while many media groups quoted the GD America line, they neglected to report or show the video with Wright’s insane accusation that the US government introduced AIDS into the black community.

The same pattern repeats in the Ayers story. While reporting that Obama lives in the same neighborhood, serves on a board, and is “friendly” with Ayers; far too many media sources are failing to include the more serious accusation: that Ayers and his wife held a political meeting at their home to help launch Obama.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/18/how_obama_and_the_radical_became_news/

” In January 2005, in a progressive liberal blog called “Musings & Migraines,” a Chicago-based blogger named Maria Warren – whose writing suggested she was to the left of Obama – recalled watching the candidate give a “standard, innocuous little talk” in 1995, in the living room of Ayers and his wife, former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, when Obama was running for the state Senate.”They were launching him,” she wrote, “introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.”

The claim that Ayers was Obama’s original political patron is far more serious than serving on the same board.

rags

Ragnell on April 19, 2008 at 11:35 PM

The whole incident helps explain why Obanma is afraid of Fox News.

Lonetown on April 20, 2008 at 7:55 AM

If you think this little skirmish is bad just elect this guy president. When he occupies the White house every far left organization in the country will move in with him. MoveOnOrg, KOS, and every other vile leftist entity will be influencing every area of our national policy from defense to food stamps. If this doesn’t frighten people then their nerve endings have surely been severed.

rplat on April 20, 2008 at 8:45 AM

The whole incident helps explain why Obanma is afraid of Fox News.

Lonetown on April 20, 2008 at 7:55 AM

The only people who fear fox news are people with epilepsy who would get a pokemon like seizure from the excessive screen graphics. Oh and people who dont want to die of slow brain death.

Squid Shark on April 20, 2008 at 9:27 AM

Obama fears Fox!

Lonetown on April 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Chris Wallace is saying right this minute that Obama is afraid to come on. 755 days since he promised to.

Fear the tough question Nancy!

Lonetown on April 20, 2008 at 9:55 AM

We should be thankful that the drive-by media didn’t vet Barry O sooner. He’ll be served up fresh on a platter this summer and fall.

Mojave Mark on April 20, 2008 at 8:15 PM

“If Obama was covered like Clinton is,”…he’d still be getting an easy ride. Hilly hasn’t been asked the really, really hard questions and never will be.

Ed: I love the phrase: “Fawning sycophantry”…but, there was a red line under sychophantry after I typed it in! Well, if it isn’t a word, it should be!…An ode to BO and his fans should include this gem. ‘Come out of the pantry with your sycophantry. While we’re yawning they’re still fawning.’ The possibilities are many.

Christine on April 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Hussein is all about looks.

I was struck by the “electing the prom king” nature of his campaign very early on.

Chris Wallace is saying right this minute that Obama is afraid to come on. 755 days since he promised to.

I could understand Obama avoiding an interview with Sean Hannity, the originator of the Wright story and an open foe; but why Chris Wallace? Wallace is a democrat and an old style journalist; a dying breed. He’s known for asking the tough questions to politicians on both sides of the aisle. A tough fair interviewer* .Obama would gain face for showing the confidence to meet him. Its significant that Obama doesn’t seem to want to show the least amount of effort to speak to his excluded Fox audience.

*Although Wallace has several political stands I don’t agree with–such as the Iraq War–I have developed respect for his professionalism and ability to ask the hard questions. He’s a great interviewer. Probably what scares Obama is Wallace’s famous stand-off with Bill Clinton over the Clinton’s failure to capture Bin Laden. He was the only journalist to confront Clinton.

Ragnell on April 22, 2008 at 12:46 PM

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