Movie Review: Expelled
posted at 3:00 pm on April 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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While at CPAC in February, I had an opportunity to attend an advance screening of the new documentary, Expelled: The Movie. Ben Stein focuses on a perceived lack of intellectual freedom afforded to those who either believe in or investigate Intelligent Design theories in the scientific community. I wrote the following review at the time; the producers may have made some changes since, but I don’t believe it would change the thrust of my review. I plan on seeing the theatrical release this weekend, and would recommend it to everyone as at least a way to discuss the values and limitations of scientific inquiry and intellectual openness in American Academia.
The bloggers at CPAC received an invitation to screen a new documentary on academic intolerance called Expelled: The Movie this evening. The documentary features Ben Stein on a quest to understand the near-hysteria caused by scientists who so much as broach the idea of intelligent design in papers or in research. It follows Stein as he interviews professors denied tenure, editors fired, and journalists shunned for touching the subject even at its most innocuous levels.
Before discussing my feelings about the film, which is still in post-production and will not go into release until April, I should explain my approach to the ID/evolution debate. I believe evolution is demonstrably proven in enough examples to say that its effect on variation in species cannot be denied. The example I used tonight in discussing this with another viewer (certainly not the only example) is antibiotic effects on bacteria. Antibiotics that kill 99% of bacteria eventually promote the survival and the expansion of the 1% that resist them, created superbacteria that require another set of antibiotics to cure, and so on.
That said, evolution does not interfere with my faith in God. God certainly could have created the universe with a design that included life. The rational laws of nature would include evolution, as well as the myriad of other rational and mathematically provable mechanisms that undergird nature. In fact, the impulse of man to discover the rational laws of nature began with the belief in a rational God, as scientists understood nature’s rationality to reveal an intelligent Creator.
I’d go deeper than that, but Dinesh D’Souza covers it nicely enough already in his book What’s So Great About Christianity, and it’s getting late enough as it is. Suffice it to say that evolution doesn’t present a threat to my worldview.
Rationally, we have to admit that some use ID as an excuse to teach the more literal form of Creationism that has been used to argue against evolution entirely, especially against teaching evolution in primary-school classrooms. That admission does not appear in Expelled, which is a glaring omission. It tends to take out of context the frustration some scientists have about ID, and its place in polarizing the debate over its use. Properly framed, ID accepts all of the science without accepting its transformation into its own belief system.
What do I mean by that? In this, the film does an excellent job of demonstrating atheism as a belief system. Atheism as represented by Richard Dawkings and others in this film gets exposed as exactly the kind of belief system they claim to despise. They can’t prove God exists — and they can’t prove God doesn’t exist. They make the common fallacy of arguing that absence of evidence amounts to evidence of absence.
But in a way, this is all secondary to the real issue of the film: academic intolerance. The debate over ID vs Darwinism sets the table for a truly disturbing look at academia. Science should be about the free debate and research of ideas and hypotheses for duplicable results and provable theorems. However, as the examples Stein and the film provide amply show, the Darwinist academic establishment will brook no dissent from the orthodoxy — and scientists have to be shown with hidden faces to speak to the issue for the film.
Amusingly, Stein asks people how the first cell came to be. None of the scientists could give him a straight answer. Dawkins himself admits he doesn’t know and that no one else does, either — but postulates that aliens could have brought life to this planet, and then postulates that another alien civilization could have brought life to that planet, and so on. He then concedes that one entity could have been the original source … but insists that entity could not possibly have been God. For this he gives absolutely no evidence at all, relegating it as a belief system somewhat akin to Scientology.
All of this is extremely effective, as are the many allusions made to the Berlin Wall during the film. The theme runs throughout, and it explicitly refers to the defensive academic establishment as having built a wall that tramples on freedom of thought and discourse. Less effective is the heavy references to the Nazis in the movie. Although emotionally affecting for some obvious reasons, the fact is that while the Nazis were mostly Darwinists (along with a lot of other things), the vast majority of Darwinists aren’t Nazis. Certainly the eugenicists in Nazi Germany were mightily influenced by Darwinism, but America had its own eugenicists, which the film points out.
I should point out that the film has not finished production, and that changes will be made between now and its release in April. The filmmakers just completed an interview with Christopher Hitchens and will include it in the final cut. I believe other changes may be made which could address some of the criticisms I’ve written here.
Overall, though, the film presents a powerful argument not for intelligent design as much as for the freedom of scientific inquiry. If scientists get punished for challenging orthodoxy, we will not expand our learning but ossify it in concrete. Expelled: The Movie is entertaining, maddening, funny, and provocative, and well worth your time.
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That brain damage would have been fatal.
Johan Klaus on April 18, 2008 at 10:59 PM
And of course the giraffe has an oversized heart.
Johan Klaus on April 18, 2008 at 11:00 PM
And time machines.
Weight of Glory on April 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Shhh! He’s already h*ll to live with. He thinks that he SO smart. He smokes cigars and plays cards, too. He used to beat me — until I started cheating.
My collie says:
It’s like evolution. Pure speculation on your part.
CyberCipher on April 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
come on people, ur slowin’ down… no 1000 post thread at this rate, put down the fork and start typing. except for wise golden, u put down the booze
TheCulturalist on April 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
This is mutation within a species. Mutation and Darwinian evolution are two totally different things, as I’m sure has already been pointed out in about 300 other comments on this thread.
labrat on April 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
800th! (my version of first!)
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Good points. I believe that we are created in His image, and that it our “design” to learn and to grow and to become perfect, as He is. God the Father and His son are Perfect Beings, as They abide eternal laws and principles. At anytime during His mortal ministry, Christ could have chosen an alternative path or succumbed to any temptation Satan threw his way. As a perfect Being, who understood His divinity and purpose, He continually abided and adhered to eternal principles and laws. We have a limited knowledge of these principles and laws, and we distort them from our perspectives.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:02 PM
hic..aight.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Oh span! 801! you were robbed.
Weight of Glory on April 18, 2008 at 11:03 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathered_dinosaurs
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Sorry, forgot I was submitting to the prestigous Hotair.com journal of evolutionary biology.
RightOFLeft on April 18, 2008 at 11:04 PM
That should read “Oh Snap!” But Span is funny too.
Weight of Glory on April 18, 2008 at 11:04 PM
You’re gonna love peer review.
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:05 PM
You really have no way of knowing that, but okay. What are your objections to the other 2 hypotheses?
RightOFLeft on April 18, 2008 at 11:06 PM
It might catch on.
Oh, span! Oh no you didint….
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:07 PM
We’ll allow it…just as long as it doesn’t disprove evolution. If it does not only will we not publish it, but we’ll deny you tenure and make sure you never get another job ever..and if you keep it up we’ll get you thrown in prison.
Now go ahead and submit your work.
SaintOlaf on April 18, 2008 at 11:08 PM
801…time to open another beer and wait for 900.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:09 PM
It might be hard to write your thesis with that tinfoil hat on.
e-pirate on April 18, 2008 at 11:10 PM
St. O is in the house. You blink and it’ll be 1000.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:10 PM
e-pirate on April 18, 2008 at 11:10 PM
What’s wrong with tinfoil hats? Hater. Next you’re going to tell me that cherry Kool-aid isn’t too Kool either.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:13 PM
I thought it was the best comment of the thread. After all, that is precisely what this thread was SUPPOSED to be about. Has academia stepped over the line? Are THEY the new Nazis.
My collie says:
Not yet.
CyberCipher on April 18, 2008 at 11:14 PM
After all, that is precisely what this thread was SUPPOSED to be about.Damn. Start over?
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Oh span — should have been blockquote.
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Bitter clinger.
fourstringfuror on April 18, 2008 at 11:16 PM
I wish you were right e-pirate, but Saint Olaf is much closer to the truth than you on this point. I wish it was just “crazy.” It’s not — the leftist intellectual religion of science is doing exactly as saint o says.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Yep.. one of the most spot on comments of the thread. Is it time to lock and load? I don’t know, but I did buy my first gun today…(not kidding.)
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM
If I could just get him to stop drooling on the gun powder.
CyberCipher on April 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM
But listen to what your saying E1701. Your saying that a very complex organ is developed just because… (nothing follows). I’m sure you are aware that modern science cannot produce an eye…. we don’t have the knowledge or the information required to build an organic eye from any given point. Where did the creature get the information. How did the information get translated into a biological-functional form?
Here you are saying that an organ continues to develop based on need, but mere “need” does not provide the information to fill the need. Complex organized information does not simply appear because it’s needed. And even if it did, the capacity to turn that information into an actual organ is still missing.
Maxx on April 18, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM
He does a disservice to it, however, in how he presents his version of the truth. Hearkening for a modern inquisition isn’t going to hasten any enlightenment.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Oh span!
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Wadya get?
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Brotha, I like your style.
Weight of Glory on April 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Ha! It’s alive! It’s alive!
Weight of Glory on April 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM
SEEE! You are de-evolving! buying a gun! KIDDING!
what kind O’ arm did ya buy?
-Wasteland Man.
P.S. yeah I know off topic but we got a 1000 comments here ta burn no?
WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:22 PM
…it was useful. Actually it’s the brains that got complex. Eyes themselves take too much credit. The brain getting more complex it more important, and much more mysterious.
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:23 PM
fyi, the hole goes toward the target…
TheCulturalist on April 18, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Wow, I left this one at 70, good thing I decided to do something with my day or it would have been a loooooong night.
Squid Shark on April 18, 2008 at 11:24 PM
See, here’s the problem. Evolution is pure chance, so yes, it has to work this way. there has to be a half eye. it has to occure for evolution to be correct.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:24 PM
Full throttle baby. Don’t throw raw red meat late at night. Someone might lose an evolved appendage.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Nah…you just hate him. That’s the problem. You can’t stand him and therefore, he can never be correct. And when he is, it’s a “disservice.”
Truth is truth.
SPAN!
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:26 PM
It must cake something awful.
fourstringfuror on April 18, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Ahem! (takes John Kerry stance posture and tone)
I dont use Raw meat… only a seasoned aged prime rib!
its more …dare I say… Evolved.
LOL
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:27 PM
I’m greatly disappointed that the guy with the talking dog lives in my area.
I’m downtown right off Lake Union and we didn’t get any snow. A little hail earlier though.
e-pirate on April 18, 2008 at 11:27 PM
That’s not the theory. It doesn’t work to just make up your own stuff and call it that. Like the people who think they can make up what Christian theology is.
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:27 PM
When my collie starts drinking, I don’t let him anywhere near the gun cabinet.
My collie says:
Friends don’t let friends blog drunk.
CyberCipher on April 18, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Thank you. Very important safety tip. I’m sure it would have been in the manual, but I’m not very good about reading those things.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:29 PM
You’re coming up with your own “this has to occur for evolution to be correct” hypothesis that is completely false, and using it to argue against evolution. Sorry sir, no sale.
There are a wide range of different “eyes” in existance in all sorts of animals, from worms that don’t have eyes, to animals that have eyes but are colorbling (like dogs) to human eyes.
The only options aren’t just “no eyes” “half an eye” and “regular eyes.”
e-pirate on April 18, 2008 at 11:31 PM
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
And you thought many of these discoveries were made in the 21st century..
SaintOlaf on April 18, 2008 at 11:32 PM
I don’t hate St. O. I have a problem with many of his posts, but hate is not where I’m at with him. He has issues with many beliefs I hold, and when he posts on that, I posit my views.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:32 PM
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:27 PM
then is Darwin God?
Wheres this from then? :D (I know its getting late LOL)
We are here
In this holy cave today
To celebrate
The reincarnation
Of domingo de santa clara
The man who convinced us
That there is no lord
For his name is buddha, allah, shiva, jahve [yahweh? ]
Outside our bodies
We are god
’cause only we can create the idea
Of his existence in our holy brains
Let us pray to ourselves and our spirits!
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:32 PM
It’s not me, man. It was that asshole Darwin who thought that crap up. I agree — it’s all crap.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:33 PM
yes, but they may have hidden it behind some kind of fancy shmancy technical term like muzzle or some such nonsense.
TheCulturalist on April 18, 2008 at 11:33 PM
So you like all the moonbats living on Lake Union better?
My collie says:
Yeah, but should we let him hang out on HotAir if he lives with moonbats?
CyberCipher on April 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM
But you’re sure that the hole does point away from the body of the shooter, right?
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:35 PM
He needs it that much more.
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I prefer:
SPOON!
Sorry, Weight of Glory…
“And isn’t sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you’re good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.”
Rosmerta on April 18, 2008 at 11:35 PM
The point is not that there are different eyes…but that a worm will always produce a worm, and a dog will always produce a dog.
The fact that this is how it works, disproves evolution.
In fact it proves the Bible correct. Every thing produces something “after their kind”.
SaintOlaf on April 18, 2008 at 11:35 PM
colorbling? sounds a little racist… lets not go there, shall we?
TheCulturalist on April 18, 2008 at 11:36 PM
damn! I just missed 850 by 1. could have gone to bed.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:36 PM
One my ask In an infinite Universe with infinite galaxies, is there an ending in space where space turns into nothingness? When did time start? Was the matter in the universe always there, to include when time started whenever and how many trillions and trillions of years ago or did God create the matter? When did God come into existence? Has God always existed even when there was nothing? Is God a Life or Life itself. The Bible states that God created man in his own image. Does that mean that God has a body? If man never ate of the tree of knowledge, would he have eaten of the Tree of Life and lived forever in his innocence?
I will admit that in this lifetime, my mind cannot grasp the complexity of the the infinite number of possible answers and solutions to the questions.
Suffice it to say that I know that God exists. There are way to many miracles in my life proving to me that there is an unseen force out there. When I turned my life towards God, good things started happening to me even when going through difficulties in my life not to mention my poor choices on numerous occasions.
If God exists, which I think He does, then there will be an afterlife after my mortal body dies. Then one may come to the next question, what is the afterlife? Will we be engaged in meaningful work, or will we be issued a harp and sing praises for all eternity? Personally, I would rather be learning, building and creating, much like what we do on earth. Otherwise, I’m going to be bored out of my mind, and by the way, I don’t like to sing. It is a good thing that Jesus said that there are many mansions that the Father will provide.
PrettyD_Vicious on April 18, 2008 at 11:38 PM
WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Not the parallel I was going for. More the way anti-Christians think they are criticizing Christianity by distorting or making up things. Whatever it is you’re criticizing, it’s not evolutionary theory.
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:38 PM
most assuredly
TheCulturalist on April 18, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I don’t have anything against the moonbats so long as they shower.
Word.
e-pirate on April 18, 2008 at 11:39 PM
amen brother!
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:39 PM
How many species went extinct before the flood?
Tzetzes on April 18, 2008 at 11:40 PM
How would we know that?
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:41 PM
How do we know anything that wasn’t covered in the Bible?
e-pirate on April 18, 2008 at 11:42 PM
The Bible states that God created man in his own image. Does that mean that God has a body?
Yes, of flesh and bones, a perfect body.
If man never ate of the tree of knowledge, would he have eaten of the Tree of Life and lived forever in his innocence?
Yes, they (Adam and Eve) would have no knowledge of good and evil. There would have been no progression for them. Adam’s fall was necessary for progression. Adam’s fall was necessary for our progression. His innocence would have kept him from learning distinctions between good and evil.
Will we be engaged in meaningful work, or will we be issued a harp and sing praises for all eternity?
We will progress through eternity partaking of all the Father has.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:44 PM
okay…okay. But I think he’s right on his point, and you’re calling him wrong.
Was up with that?
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:44 PM
My collie says:
CyberCipher on April 18, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Study and prayer.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Your fact #25 is that “the number of stars are innumerable”
Your fact #26 is that “the number of stars is finite”
Did God contradict himself? Is the universe about to exploded???
e-pirate on April 18, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Tactics and beliefs can cancel themselves out. Berating someone with a truism doesn’t benefit the giver or the receiver. Contention is an inefficient driver for truth.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Mr. Golden,
Given that you have just today purchased a gun, I will have to assume you are not a felon. Congratulations. Of course, I will also be assuming you didn’t buy it out of someone’s car trunk with a handful of dirty money. I would further have to assume you have actually taken possesion of said firearm. For all I know you are subject to some sort of idiotic waiting period.
I guess what I’m trying to say is… whudjaget?
TheCulturalist on April 18, 2008 at 11:48 PM
@ Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:24 PM
You know NOTHING about evolution. Your comments on this discussion are therefore worthless. You saying that evolution is based on pure chance shows such ignorance on the subject that its silly.
muyoso on April 18, 2008 at 11:48 PM
That was a song by the Group “Yello” (they did that “OH YEAH” song in every commercial made)
My point being, is by saying there is no God you are making yourself out to be a God because you would have to be everywhere in the universe at once to prove he didn’t exist, and you being omnipresent would make you…. God.
the very thing you are so apt to disprove.
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:50 PM
But, proving God doesn’t exist isn’t an objective of mine.
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:52 PM
We’ve slowed to a crawl. We won’t make 1000 tonight. But there’s always tomorrow. I’ll check tomorrow morning before I go the church.
Good night. It’s been fun.
My collie says:
He’s SO predictable.
CyberCipher on April 18, 2008 at 11:52 PM
…Whoah… Then Darwin belived that God did Jump start the evolutionary process? and there was no Chance? WOW!!! why are we arguing then?
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:52 PM
.45 — needed something that has the ability to incapcitate in a single shot. Hope to never use it.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:53 PM
@ SaintOlaf on April 18, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Again you make up a situation in your mind and run with it as if its fact. First of all, I highly doubt that you could find evidence that would outright disprove evolution. Thats not how science works. If you find one thing wrong, you dont take down the beast, you just chip away a little bit. Creationists have yet to chip anything away at all. They can get things peer reviewed like ANYONE else. You might want to read up on what peer review actually is before you create a conspiracy like you have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review
muyoso on April 18, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Ok My Bad, but then on the converse it sure seems yer trying to rack up brownie points with the evolutionists….
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:54 PM
you East Coast posters are giving up? shoot…
TheCulturalist on April 18, 2008 at 11:54 PM
I assure you that I do. I was pre-med in college and forced to learn every aspect of evolution in order to pass. Still a little bitter about that.
Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Those are the choices: all chance or no chance? None of what you are saying has anything to do with evolutionary theory. It’s like leftist who learned about what they think is capitalism from maxists.
exception on April 18, 2008 at 11:55 PM
@ WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Just because evolution isnt random chance, doesnt mean that there was some GOD out there controlling it. You making this jump is so childish and you know it. Stop arguing like a grade schooler and think before you post.
muyoso on April 18, 2008 at 11:55 PM
God does not obey these laws. He created them for the universe to obey. He can create any alternate universes if he so wishes. Alter one thing and all that follows will be different. So far, all we can see and study is the universe we are living in. We can speculate about other universes – are they similar to ours or are they all different, or some the same and some different?
Doesn’t matter in our case. We’re here in this(the?) universe and subject to the laws of physics in this(the?) universe. Everything that happens here is in accord with the laws of physics.
Woody
woodcdi on April 18, 2008 at 11:56 PM
pd_v smiles in understanding.
PrettyD_Vicious on April 18, 2008 at 11:56 PM
…Hmmm Hence the Bible quotes and the Gun…
YIKES! OBAMA WAS RIGHT!!!!!!! EEEK HES THE MESSIAH AND THE PRIMORDIAL SOUP ZAPPER!!!! I am gonna start my own religion right now!!!!
/sark off
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on April 18, 2008 at 11:57 PM
@ Wise Golden on April 18, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Well you COMPLETELY summarized it wrong. So maybe you should be less bitter and break out some of those old notebooks from college.
muyoso on April 18, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Sorry I didn’t credit you, I’m still learning how to post with hooves.
Cold Steel on April 18, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Oh Spam!
or Span!
or Spoon!
I’ve lost track…
still, capitalism learned from marxists!! i’m writing that down.
TheCulturalist on April 19, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Oh SPAN!
Wise Golden on April 19, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Yeah, fundamentally wrong. That gets back to something a few hundred posts ago. The people teaching this stuff are doing a crap job. Freaky appeals to authority, simplification to the point of leaving the theory entirely, whatever.
exception on April 19, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Specifically, in the old testament, a watchtower was used in the wine fields to look over the grapes. It was manned 24/7 during the harvest. Now these are not eating grapes, those had no watchtower, these were the finer grapes used to make wine. As the wine was being squeezed and contained the urns were placed near the watch tower for safety.
So the irony is, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who do not drink alcohol, named their publication after a device used to protect wine. Of course, years ago (like the Mormon’s) they misread the bible, or at least did not read the original text, and chose the wrong reason to use the watch tower. For many years they said (like the Baptists) that the wine in the bible was not fermented, but a wine drink. But of course we know now that most all of the references to wine is the alcoholic kind. The only time it isn’t, is when they are talking about he prepwine process, or the grapes themselves.
right2bright on April 19, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Evolution as theory and fact:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
Evolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
Intelligent design:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
The first link explains the scientific difference between facts and theories and how it applies to evolution. The second link is an explanation of evolution and all of the processes involved. The third link is an explanation of intelligent design, and is the only link which also has all of the tenets completely refuted. Please be my guess to join wikipedia and refute evolution on the evolution page with all of your “facts”. Anyone can contribute, and your contribution will be judged by a group of peers as to its validity. So far, only intelligent design has had its silly ideas and “observations” completely DESTROYED. Can you do the same for evolution without appealing to faith or the bible?
muyoso on April 19, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Oy Vey… I lost my will to argue seriously at St. Olafs first post LOL. and yer patronizing me isn’t helping my serious streak either. but I always wonder whats behind the speculation of: “Maybe it was a race of super intelligent aliens that left life here.” Why is that more credible than just calling said aliens “God”? I mean whats the difference from super aliens and super God? isn’t it just a case of semantics? Or could it be a “Childish” (nice word ya found there) way of rebelling against some tradition of your forefathers of whom you have more against than the tradition itself. I have found most atheists have a problem more with their parents than with their beliefs and it seems more of a way to rebel. this is why I posted earlier about looking at the motivations why you believe one theory above another more than the theories themselves.
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on April 19, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Yep…it’s described in string theory (which I don’t need to believe what you’re saying.) We’re arguing with a bunch of folks from the 1800’s.
Wise Golden on April 19, 2008 at 12:05 AM
right2bright on April 19, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I misread the Bible all the time like a good little latter-day-saint. Thanks for the shout out r2b. Anytime you need a foil, feel free to project my way. Does your reference show a lack of understanding on the Word of Wisdom?
Cold Steel on April 19, 2008 at 12:06 AM
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