Yale student impregnates herself to create miscarriages — for art; Update: Hoax?
posted at 10:57 am on April 17, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Gateway Pundit, it can’t be real. It’s too broadly parodic of too many things: the trivialization of abortion, modern art’s fascination with effluvium, amoral academic culture justified as a form of faux-profound “consciousness-raising,” etc etc etc. All that’s missing is some sort of representation of Christ as a gay Nazi.
Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself “as often as possible” while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages…
The “fabricators,” or donors, of the sperm were not paid for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically take tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages…
The display of Schvarts’ project will feature a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a room in the gallery of Green Hall. Schvarts will wrap hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting around this cube; lined between layers of the sheeting will be the blood from Schvarts’ self-induced miscarriages mixed with Vaseline in order to prevent the blood from drying and to extend the blood throughout the plastic sheeting.
Schvarts will then project recorded videos onto the four sides of the cube. These videos, captured on a VHS camcorder, will show her experiencing miscarriages in her bathrooom tub, she said. Similar videos will be projected onto the walls of the room.
Lots more at the link, with even the campus pro-choice group unwilling to offer a pat on the back. Exit question re: Schvarts: Republican, do you think?
Update: Some of our commenters with more medical knowledge than I are saying this is probably a hoax, with the likely, er, “medium” here being standard menstrual blood.
Update: Yale says it’s “performance art.”
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I currently believe in equal rights for women. This thing that the Yale student has done is probably the best reason I’ve ever heard why women should be subservient to men. I still don’t think that.
indythinker on April 17, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I actually get this question a lot when I voice my opinion, and a new born can do a lot of things to keep itself alive that a fetus can’t
Breathe
suckle to gain nourishment
cleanse its own blood
among many other things.
Additionally, it’s not like I’m anti medicine, and think that if a baby is born unable to do those things that it should be left to die. Science is a wonderful thing…but I’m not sure that science (in its current state) could make a survivor out of a 3 month old fetus removed from the womb under even the best conditions.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Here is some discourse,
GET THAT WOMAN IN A PSYCH WARD WHERE SHE BELONGS!
peacenprosperity on April 17, 2008 at 12:41 PM
no, same reasoning as my post above.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:41 PM
You were once a fetus, unable to sustain yourself. Now that you survived birth and have grown to the age that you are, are you now a “Being”?
By my (sarcastic) definition, something that is so callous to the unborn human being in the womb and does not define him or her … is worthy of carrying the title of “being.”
How do you like my definition?
wise_man on April 17, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Does this monstrosity have a Title?…I don’t see one, anywhere in the article.
franksalterego on April 17, 2008 at 12:43 PM
If true,
is dead on, and I’d send her to Old Sparky in a heart-beat.
knob on April 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM
it works fine for me.
“Being” has been under debate since before Socrates, who are either of us to attempt to weigh in definitively.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:48 PM
This is what a feminist looks like.
SteveinTX on April 17, 2008 at 12:52 PM
It sounds like you are saying that a creature does not have any value intrinsic to it, independent of the actions of others.
If miners are trapped 50 feet deep, where current available technology can save them, do they have more “being” or “personhood” than if trapped 2000 feet deep, beyond the limits of our ability to save them?
mikeyboss on April 17, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Oh come on now…that is just ridiculous! and here I was apologizing for using a broad brush.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:53 PM
I have a really hard time getting exercised by the antics of a very obviously and deeply disturbed young woman, whose actions are best explained via Occam’s razor as being simply the most outrageous thing she could think of to get attention.
That she potentially could, and may have actually carried through on what she claims to have done - that is something that she will have to live with, and have people aware of about her, for the rest of her life. I’ve got no problem remarking on just how disturbed and ludicrous her actions are, and indicate that based upon those actions, I draw certain conclusions about the person doing them, hardly any at all even close to being generously considered positive - and that’s as far as I can take it. Anything else is above my pay grade as mere mortal. And it’s hard for me to grasp that one can at the same time believe God is all powerful, has a plan, and at then turn around and have the chutzpah to insist upon taking care of things he just hasn’t gotten around to yet. That’s a step on the path to considering oneself God’s instrument, and history is replete with examples of how badly things can go from that point - indeed, our most current situation involves dealing with the most extreme example of it.
As such - the only reaction to the bizarre and seriously twisted spectacle of this young woman’s abject and public willful self humiliation, for me, at any rate, is not much more than a tepid mixture of disdain mixed with pity. Pity as well for those that go along with or enable this young woman’s antics, who don’t have the backbone or the sense to call stupid crap what it is…stupid crap.
Wind Rider on April 17, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Of the people in the conditions I listed, not all of them can breathe (machine assisted), suckle (need to be IV’d) or cleanse their own blood (diabeeeeeetus)
So to be more direct, if someone is living on a machine, do you simply pull the plug because they’re not able to sustain themselves?
apollyonbob on April 17, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Wow, her name is racist too….in a Yiddish sort of way.
mylegsareswollen on April 17, 2008 at 12:57 PM
beefytee, estimates range from 1-6 million murdered Iraqis at the hands of Saddam Hussein. Have you heard or read about the poison gas attacks on the Kurds? Have you seen the pictures?
Here’s the thing, your comments are not just exemplary of a moral equivalance mindset. Its more then that. You have chosen to view the United States and her military forces as a force for evil. A force for murder. A cause of death. The problem is, you don’t have the intellectual capeability to understand the ferocity by which human beings would be slaughtering eachother right now if not for the voluntary service of young American men and women wearing the uniform of this country. You have no idea what would happen if the US just decided to universally pack up and “come home”. The funny thing about Iraq is, if the next president is foolish enough to do just that, you are going to have a shining example, a microcosm, of just what the world would look like without the United States of America. It won’t be pretty.
Beefytee, what you need to understand is that murder and chaos IS the default position of mankind. It is the natural result of human beings living amongst eachother. Peace and harmony has never been part of the human experience. We are living through a very rare time. We are living in a very rare place. It won’t last forever so I would suggest opening your eyes and attempt to be greatful to the brave men and women who make it possibile for us to live such comparatively peaceful lives.
The bottom line is we are not causing death, we are preventing death. Open your damn eyes.
Zetterson on April 17, 2008 at 12:58 PM
So why were women Constitutionally granted the right to in this country?
mylegsareswollen on April 17, 2008 at 12:59 PM
So why were women constitutionally granted the right to vote in this country?
mylegsareswollen on April 17, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Ah, the transparent parent. Got it. One advantage — she will always know where her kids are.
unclesmrgol on April 17, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Well said Zetterson.
Geronimo on April 17, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Honestly, I don’t have an answer for this. And I’m not going to try and cook one up real quick for the benefit of the Hot Air readers.
This is an interesting question though. And another way to think about it would be if the shuttle were to lose it’s gyroscopes and just start drifting aimlessly into space. There would be absolutely nothing we could do about it. They would certainly die. Both are assets to our society, but from a societal point of view (I don’t mean to families and loved ones)…WOULD they continue to be? Both sets of people are goners…and by my beliefs, once dead, you cease to be…There’s more to it than this, but this is the first direction my brain went….
This will be an interesting little exercise for my brain…
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Beefytee,
Sorry to push my way in but regarding the statement “This is what a feminist looks like” is actually the printing on a popular anti-life t-shirt and worn frequently at anti-life rallies. I believe that is where the basis of that statement comes from - not painting folks with a broad brush but using their own brush.
Pachyderm on April 17, 2008 at 1:05 PM
answer here:
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Please let this not be true. If it is, I have reached disgust at a level I didn’t know existed. I can’t even conceive the guilt this monster will feel if and when she ever actually gives birth. But of course that would mean she would actually have human emotions.
winewife on April 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM
May the Svartz be with you…NOT!
max1 on April 17, 2008 at 1:08 PM
We’ve struck rock bottom. When the Anti and pro-abortionist agree this is wrong, we can’t get much worse than this.I say much because unfortunately, someday one sick bastard will top this.
Tazz 55 on April 17, 2008 at 1:14 PM
This person belongs in a mental institution for the rest of her life. If she’s sane, she deserves the death penalty.
Sydney Carton on April 17, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Um, please read the thread. It’s not true, there are no “herbal abortifacients” or anything else.
Now it may be true that this gal figured out a brilliant ploy to get an A+ on her big senior project by doing nothing other than menstruating, on schedule, which she would just normally do by luck of being female.
And, really, serial killer? get a hold of yourselves.
funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Ok, so it is your belief that man is intrinsically evil…or at least indifferent. So in that case…why are abortions so bad if you’re just eliminating a potential evil before it has a chance to manifest? A Preemptive strike!
Secondly, there’s no need to talk down to me simply because you disagree with me. (Especially when you don’t have the “then”-”than” thing down yet)
Third, I am well aware of the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein. I have to say, I really wasn’t against regime change. He was a bad man in a very important position who did some very bad things to a LOT of people. My problem is mainly with the policies adopted after he was removed from power.
Fourth, I do not believe the United States, nor the US Military is evil, I do however think war is “evil”. War is the worst of humanity. I also understand that it is an unfortunate necessity of the past and current human condition. In fact, one of the best arguments AGAINST evolution is that in tens of thousands of years, we still haven’t figured out how to come to an agreement before beating each other to a pulp. My point in this matter was academic just like how religion tells us to love all.. kind of like that.
Finally, in terms of mental capacity, I understand that you may believe that’s how man would behave…but (and I can’t believe I’m about to say this) I guess I have a bit more faith in humanity than you.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM
The sad thing is, if she did fake this, she will probably get in more trouble and receive more criticism than if she had really carried it out as described.
aikidoka on April 17, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Someday, if she is lucky, this young woman will have children, and then she will be horrified by what she did when she was young and foolish.
Or, worse, she will try to have children and suffer miscarriages. Then she will also be horrified but what she did when she was young and foolish, even if it is a hoax.
TX Mom on April 17, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Are there no laws in your country because she didn’t break any laws in the US…is this an honor killing…are you from Saudi Arabia?
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:26 PM
YES…REASON!!!!
Meh….wishing miscarriages on someone…not really feeling that.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM
I’m not wishing miscarriages on her. I wouldn’t do that. I’m just stating that she would realize the enormity of her stupidity if she ever is unfortunate enough to suffer from one (for real and unintended). I’m not really wishing that she have children, either, for their sake. Unless she grows up a lot between now and then.
TX Mom on April 17, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Well the Yale news link is finally fixed. And there are 10 comments, most seemingly from Yale students, like this one:
And so far as of 1:30pm EST, nothing has been said anywhere that would indicate that, at best, this is a hoax.
Even if the means by which she produces her “art” aren’t what she says they are, it’s just sick in every way. What were her Yale professors smoking/snorting/swallowing that said to them yes, this is a valid and interesting art project.
She says she wanted to open a discourse - she has. And her legacy will be this, forever. Everytime, anytime in the future, someone Googles her name - this is what will show up.
Boy - her parents must be so proud, what with her Ivy League high school and college tuition bills.
KrisinNE on April 17, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Wow. A+ in cultural anthropology and possibly also in political science as performance art.
I’m kinda embarrassed to read all these insane comments. Maybe equal rights for women isn’t such a good idea. Faking pregnancy/miscarriage via medical/scientific illiteracy = mass murder.
This is why the left can create a frightening image of the religious right, BTW.
funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Speaking as someone who spent years trying to conceive and never could, I’m shocked at how callously she has treated her ability to get pregnant (if she is indeed be truthful about the origins of her “art”).
Then again - do we really want people like this to breed?
KrisinNE on April 17, 2008 at 1:35 PM
If she’s an undergrad…wow, I don’t even recognize the person I was when I was 18-21. If She’s a masters student doing this…well, this is probably the person she’ll always be and we can look forward to a painting of a religious figure sodomizing an alter boy painted with the blood from her voluntary hysterectomy.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Really, think about it. If there was an herb that could cause miscarriage, would pharm companies have spent millions on RU-486? Would any person get a surgical abortion with its risks and expense, not to mention the inconvenience of having to leave the house to get it done?
funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 1:36 PM
This person most likely approved the project. This person needs to be unemployed.
vap@mit.edu-This is an e-mail for the MIT visual Arts Department.
piuska@mit.edu-This is the advisors e-mail.
stefluxe@aol.com-This is the e-mail of a gallery that shows her “art”.
The e-mails appear to go to MIT and not Yale. I couldn’t find any references to her being at Yale and don’t know the relationship those two schools have.
peacenprosperity on April 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM
You still haven’t responded to my point.
You’re profiting politically from the deaths of Iraqi civilians. Every one that dies is a puff of your peace pipe, leading you to the promise land.
You get off on the death of the unborn.
You are a pathetic, disgusting hypocrite, as are your peers. You worship and celebrate death with the gusto usually only seen in jihadi execution videos.
spmat on April 17, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Are you kidding me…she was probably there on Scholarship.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:39 PM
If anyone e-mails, write like you wouldn’t mind having lots of people see it (or your spiritual advisor). This Pia Lindman may be setting up pro-lifers and Christians to look bad.
peacenprosperity on April 17, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Wow…you know me so well.
I actually don’t even really understand what you mean in the first bit.
I don’t get off on the death of the unborn. Blood yes…that most certainly turns me on. I most definitely have a vampire fetish.
I don’t celebrate death at all. In fact, you couldn’t have pegged me more wrong. You’re entire post is just about as incorrect as any summation of my character has ever been.
First off, I relented to you, AND to others in stating that I had overgeneralized…or did you miss that post.
Also, I mean seriously have you read anything else I have written… Where do you get Hypocrite from? Are you merely creating a picture of me in your mind and responding emotionally to this evil liberal stock character you’ve created?
This is one of the reasons I cannot ever pick a side…I just really don’t like being associated with extremism on either side of the aisle…and your post is a perfect illustration of the kind of knee-jerk extremism I’m looking to avoid. (Notice I said your POST, and not you…I don’t know you, so I won’t attempt to sum you up on the internet)
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Not exactly. My point is that human beings are violent. They are violent for various reasons - not all of them stemming from evil. Here’s my evidence: Spin a globe. Close your eyes while it spins. Stop it with your finger. If your finger managed to avoid landing in the ocean then the spot where your finger lies has a long history of human beings slaughtering eachother for various reasons. I ask you to provide me with one region on this planet that does not have a long, brutal history of humans killing eachother for one reason or another.
And I have every right in the world to talk down to you. In fact, that is exactly how you deserve to be spoken to. You have behaved like a smug, ungreatful little prick apologizing for some monstrous girl who gets her kicks by aborting fetuses for sport. Then you have the nerve to compare this girl aborting fetuses to our soldiers disregard for human lives in Iraq. Damn right I’m speaking down to you.
And don’t you dare correct my spelling. Tool.
Zetterson on April 17, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Crazy art project or clever attempt to force a prosecution against her for purposely conceiving a human life in order to kill it potentially advancing an argument made since the 50s that abortion is murder?
Probably not.
gabriel sutherland on April 17, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Oh I’m sure they’re not trying to do that. But just to be sure, I forwarded this post to all of those email addresses to make sure they don’t get mixed messages. I also included your thoughts on their job security…just so they have a heads up…
I’m just kidding.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Ouch…take it back.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM
I’m definitely not an expert in this, but, I thought there were herbs (like cohash, maybe?) that could be used to induce labor - which, if used before the baby was viable, I’m assuming, would cause a miscarriage.
JadeNYU on April 17, 2008 at 2:04 PM
ANTARCTICA!!!
Inner Greenland?
ok now I’m just being a dick! You’re not wrong on this, I have nothing to argue there.
Just because you think something is “monsterous” or “Wrong” doesn’t mean it is. It’s all about perspective, and you seem capable of only 1, your own.
I’m all for people doing weird stuff. I’m all for pushing the boundaries of acceptance, and of everything for that matter. Humanity/society is like the human body and it will atrophy if not urged on to discover new parts of itself.
The only thing I equated was the killing of innocent people to the killing of innocent fetuses….anything else you brought to the table yourself. I can’t be held responsible for the way you interpreted something I wrote.
I have softened my position by further explanation. Life is not “if you’re not with us you’re against us” I may not be with this girl…but I cannot, in good faith in humanity, our laws, and the sense I was raised with (by a deacon) be against her.
Again, I apologize if I offended your delicate sensibilities in regards to our boys and girls with their boots on the ground. I shouldn’t have even brought this discussion in that direction. It was lazy, and I could have made my points differently.
Now does that sound like some crazy friggin wacko fundamental liberalist to you?
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 2:08 PM
I have even heard Thyme, or essence of Thyme.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 2:11 PM
beefytee == emo
Get bent, weepy.
spmat on April 17, 2008 at 2:15 PM
I was about to tear into you, but this means a lot. I hope you keep up this attitude otherwise, you’ll likely be treated like a troll.
I’ve never heard of that story. Thanks. The story was very interesting and showed some actual courage, but he his timing (right after the man’s death) was unnecessary.
Esthier on April 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Emos are pussies who like the site of their OWN blood…
I’m a sick m’fer that like to see OTHER people’s blood…Preferably someone sexy with dark hair, nice sized boobs and an ass that won’t quit.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 2:24 PM
With all due respect … seriously?
So the issue to you is neither the scientific nor spiritual reality that the fetus/infant must be either alive … or not alive … but only whether science can ensure that at the stage in question, the fetus will survive?
To adulthood? To one year?
So in your mind, in past centuries (or decades), when premature babies rarely survived - they were not alive because science couldn’t keep them alive?
But because modern science CAN permit many to survive at ever young periods of gestational development … those babies ARE now alive?
The same exact age. Same exact stage of development. But they weren’t “alive” until science made them alive?
I actually laughed out loud reading your post - because the logical lapse is so glaring. Specifically - what are you going to do when one day science CAN keep an infant alive after just 3 months in the womb? I assume your position will have to be that they’re alive, right?
It’s pretty simple, Sparky. They either are alive or they aren’t. What science can do for them is irrelevant.
Science will undoubtedly make massive leaps in assisting the intellectually challenged … but rest assured, I still won’t be calling you smart.
See what I did there? No? Have somebody explain it to you.
Honestly, I appreciate the chuckle. I laughed pretty hard when you called the above post “reasoning.” And referred to Socrates.
The ironic comedy value is immense. Socrates would prefer you leave him out of it, until you at least grasp the simplest logical concepts.
He’s not as big a fan of irony as I am.
Professor Blather on April 17, 2008 at 2:36 PM
My apologies for the feeding troll. He amused me.
As for the topic at hand, I’ll just assume it is indeed a hoax. While I wouldn’t exactly put it past the wackiest fringes of the loony Left to pull something like this … I do think they’d at least notice the amazing degree of self-parody involved, and try to avoid it.
It has to be a hoax. And if it turns out not to be, please don’t tell me. I really don’t want to know.
Professor Blather on April 17, 2008 at 2:38 PM
If it could, would that change your mind on abortion?
A$$.
I guess woman should use Jeffrey Dahmer as an excuse to deny men the right to vote?
This is a forum. Your comments are still there unedited for everyone to see, especially those who won’t read the second page before commenting. Even though it is meaningful that you apologized (and I do mean that), you should expect more comments like that. Your comments can’t be undone at this point, and not everyone will get over them.
Esthier on April 17, 2008 at 2:40 PM
As if some of the most toxic substances on the planet aren’t “herbal” and 100% natural.
The assumption that “herbal” or “natural” means safe is simply absurd.
taznar on April 17, 2008 at 2:44 PM
I suppose she’ll go all the way and use the Stars and Stripes to clean herself.
CliffHanger on April 17, 2008 at 3:00 PM
This chick is a pig. That is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard of, and it’s this type of BS that made me go from pro-choice to anti-abortion: because it seems that anyone who is “pro-choice” really doesn’t give a crap if it’s rare and really doesn’t give a crap about humanity.
Boil it down and these people have sooooo much in common with Nazis.
foxforce91 on April 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Professor Blather on April 17, 2008 at 2:36 PM
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Please don’t call me a troll just for disagreeing with your point of view, I promise it’s not the case.
Have I gone after anyone in this place? Have I personally insulted anyone? Have I spammed and spammed and locked peoples opinions out? This is the behavior of a troll.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Is this what it means to feed the troll? I am not sure who is sicker, this woman, or beefy for defending her. A little advice to beefy, take on Zetterson at your own risk. Fly away little beefy, fly, fly, fly.
chief on April 17, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Well….it’s about time. Now that this is done, as in “been there, done that” these people can getting around to killing themselves…consenting as adults. It’ll be so much more effective and artistic…larger and more bloody and all that.
Welcome…when enough of them have been sacrificed for “art” we can try to reconstruct a sane world. Till then, there are just so many of them.
rascalfair on April 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM
To funky chicken, who seems convinced that nothing existed before the plan B pill that caused miscarraige: um, how the heck did women do it for centuries before now? Hint, they didn’t all use coat hangers.
I am hoping this is a hoax, but I have lost so much faith in members of my generation, I think it might be true.
the goddess anna on April 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM
What’s he going to do…bean me up on the intranets than tell me I’m ugly and my momma dresses me funny?
signed
Not a Troll
-beefytee (who does not really like to fly)
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 3:38 PM
sounds promising
prof blather…still not ignoring you. I’m preparing my answer in word, then will copy/paste.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM
This is no different from turkey basting rituals. Getting pregnant in order to have an abortion, in order to belong to a female homosexual fraternity or club.
This is what abortion is about. It’s a total affront to the Creator and creation.
Hening on April 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Given that life means nothing more than a displayed smudge on the wall, why continue admiring the Ivy League that gives THAT credit? Intellectuals who destroy the essence of innocense have no say over culture, PRECISELY because of their pedigree.
maverick muse on April 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Journey back to the dark side, back into the womb…
Back to where the spirits move like vapor from the tomb…
The center of the cyclone, blowing out the sun,
Break the shackles of your union to the light.
I might’ve had a brother - as I was born, they dragged him under
To the other side of twilight; He’s waiting for me now.
Nativity was lost on me, I didn’t ask, I couldn’t see
What created me? What and where and how?
“Welcome home, it’s been too long, we’ve missed you…”
“Welcome home, we’ve opened up the gates…”
“Welcome home, to your brothers and sisters…”
“Welcome home, to an accident of birth.”
“Feel our bodies breathing as you try to stop believing,
There’s nothing you can do about your shadows.
You can’t fight us, you are like us, and your body will betray you,
Lay down and die like all the others!”
Where are the angels and their wings of freedom?
“Jesus had His day off when they pulled you through!”
“Welcome home, it’s been too long, we’ve missed you…”
“Welcome home, we’ve opened up the gates…”
“Welcome home, to your brothers and sisters…”
“Welcome home, to an accident of birth.”
Vision’s growing dim as the daylight fades away…
A spinning, twisting black hole - “It’s your dying day…”
“Welcome home, it’s been too long, we’ve missed you…”
“Welcome home, we’ve opened up the gates…”
“Welcome home, to your brothers and sisters…”
“Welcome home, to an accident of birth.”
“Welcome home, it’s been too long, we’ve missed you…”
“Welcome home, we’ve opened up the gates…”
“Welcome home, to your brothers and sisters…”
“Welcome home, to an accident of birth.”
–Bruce Dickinson, Accident of Birth
fusionaddict on April 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM
If this is real, it merely demonstrates that mental illness leads to modern art. But I knew that already.
NNtrancer on April 17, 2008 at 3:59 PM
I had a similar epiphany and decided I could not be associated with anyone who could approach a human life with such indifference. The fact that they intellectualize “when” life is viable to justify their depravity is sickening.
As a botanist I personally oversee the germination of seeds, I couldn’t argue that a plant isn’t viable until the seedling developed cotyledons when I know from the moment I notice the redicle had already developed. If I did I would be a very unsuccessful nurseryman.
That these fools are incapable of accepting the fact that by the third month a fetus has already developed many of it’s own organs, muscles, fingernails but can’t “survive” on it’s own is simply selfish and immoral. That the fetus is capable of reacting to stimuli should be all the proof needed to realize life has begun and should be protected.
Ciannaky on April 17, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Well, now it turns out to be a hoax.
This “art student” is a deeply troubled soul.
indythinker on April 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Her professor and her department chair could have simply either first denied credit for her concept or finally given it a failing grade.
Her “graduate” artwork where past and present collide with her future: With ashes from Nazi crematorium remnants, using her spittle to make a paste to smear for another wall display; Perform her own lobotomy and smear her brain matter for another wall display.
At what point will the educational system actually exercise their right and responsibility to evaluate WHAT constitutes credit, as anything is called “art”. Unlike the 19th Century that idealized “The Beautiful”, the 20th Century legacy idealizes “The Ugly” or lifelessness.
A 21st Century “Integral” art movement that actually wants to stand out as avant-garde NOW simply needs to stipulate that forcing death in order for an art piece to be made/fabricated (NOT created) is UNARTISTIC and to be eschewed. Such a movement would provide the world with some long lost integrity. But evidently, the Ivy League has absolutely no balls except to persecute and destroy genius, prefering their own regurgitated state of destructive idiocy.
maverick muse on April 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Most herbal abortifacients work by nearly poisoning the woman, and letting the poison cross the placental barrier. Most “contraction inducing” herbs are…well, kind of like ginger.
Yep, ginger, as in the most wonderful thing in the world for morning sickness, and the best anti-nausea med you can get without a prescription (tastes better too). But ginger is also a very good herb for inducing uterine contractions and passing clots during your period (thus stopping cramps).
But if ginger can cause you to lose your pregnancy, it was just about gone in the first place.
I agree with the guy who said she just menstruated for nine months.
Sekhmet on April 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM
I say go for it. Can I see that live?
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM
In any event, this was much more of a success than her wildest dreams.
wise_man on April 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM
I think I’m going to be sick.
One Angry Christian on April 17, 2008 at 4:48 PM
This kind of press surrounding an opening turns that weird gay guy with the jar of pee into Robert Mapplethorpe
and this early in her career. She may get famous enough to be completely obsolete before she retires. now that’s a TRUE artist.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Indeed.
HotAir commentator SteakRules makes an awesome comment on this “artist”
wise_man on April 17, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Newsbusters thinks it’s a hoax, as well.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/04/17/yale-students-abortion-art-claim-scam
Honestly, I think the whole claim is sick. I’m about to give birth in August/September, and the concept of someone willingly aborting their “fetuses” with the intent of using it as art is just abhorrent to me.
ScoopPC11 on April 17, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Soooo … seniors on life support have lost their sense of being? Newborns who can’t get their own food aren’t beings?
This seems an awfully arbitrary criterion for personhood. After all, newborn alligators can fend for themselves quite capably - does this make them more a person than our own children?
Or did you mean a complete and functioning biological system? So folks born with life-threatening deformities aren’t beings? What about those that would die without the aid of modern drugs or devices (the artificial heart for example).
Where do you draw the line? Are you comfortable with the idea that, given the varying rates of human growth, innocent beings are executed because inadequate diagnosis is done on the status of their personhood? Are you really comfortable with doctors of varying levels of training making that judgment call?
Is the idea that an utterly innocent human being could be needlessly killed due to the fundamental uncertainty of medical understanding really something you’re willing to accept?
Do you even understand the fundamental difference between clashes between governments and the choices individuals make? Do you understand that actions taken by governments may be seen as necessary and appropriate but when an individual carries out those actions they are seen as lunatics? Any of this register at all?
TheUnrepentantGeek on April 17, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Categorizing an unborn human being and not “a being” i.e. not a person - just clumps of cells or whatever, it the same mentality that was able to justify slavery. ‘They have dark skin, and look different, therefor they are not “a being” like me.’ hundreds of years ago.
It’s taken us a long time as a species to recognize several basic concepts. Slavery was abolished. Women were allowed to vote. When we look back at a time when both slavery and preventing women from voting was considered normal - most of us are disgusted.
It may take another hundred years for us as a society to see that the near zero value placed on the life of an unborn “being” is as disgusting as it was back when people had no problem with preventing women to vote, or to own africans as property.
I’d like to see this disgusting mentality and illogical definition of what is a life, and who is and is not “a being” go away in my lifetime, but I seriously doubt that it will.
wise_man on April 17, 2008 at 5:17 PM
In the case of abortion the government isn’t able to determine that a fetus at every stage of development possesses individual rights. Clearly there is a point where a being is created where once there was only an egg, a zygote, embryo or fetus. Since there are very significant disagreements over when a being emerges, it can be viewed as a conservative position to not have the government intrude into the reproductive process all the way to the point of conception.
dedalus on April 17, 2008 at 5:25 PM
I have to say ladies and gents, this thread is getting to me a little bit.
Not that I’m going to be a Born Again Abortion Abolitionist, because still, fundamentally I don’t feel like I have the right to tell someone they don’t have the right to do something like that…but I will say that my opinion on the subject is not in stone.
I think this is kind of a perfect storm situation of this subject coming up and me actually in the process of trying to have a child.
It’s much easier to think of dead babies as an abstract than it is to think of YOUR dead baby.
Still, more Pro-choice than Anti-choice, but also much more pro-life than pro-abortion.
Not like this thread changed my life, but demanded a re-examination.
I’m not about to go back on anything I’ve said. Thinking a little differently though. Slightly different tack.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Not to pick, but we’re anti-abortion, not anti-choice. We favor in many areas, like school vouchers.
Esthier on April 17, 2008 at 5:28 PM
A severe case of oppositional personality dosorder.
I’m becoming surprised that the D.O.J. doesn’t tell all those nosy ACLU, Yale and Harvard lawyers that Gitmo is a work of art that’s not quite ready for viewing. Wouldn’t that move checkmate any serious lefty?
snaggletoothie on April 17, 2008 at 5:29 PM
I understand. I’m only referring to the abortion issue……
buzzkiller.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Only if someone involved has an art degree from a recognized institution…or a sizeable body of work
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 5:31 PM
There’s an argument that because we were previously wrong about interracial marriage that we therefore must be wrong about gay marriage. While, I find some merit to the argument the two situations are not analogous and each must be decided on its own merits. Similarly, a fertilized egg is different in many of its qualities from an adult of an enslaved race or of a woman.
dedalus on April 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM
dedalus make several very sound points.
beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Another example of why liberalsim is a mental disorder.
Johan Klaus on April 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Monstrous
SaintOlaf on April 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Newsbusters says it’s a hoax.
indythinker on April 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Slavery, treating other human beings as property to be bought and sold, it’s existence terminated by the whim of the owner is wrong. It is evil. No one on this planet can argue that this is something that is about “choice.”
Destroying an unborn life that has not been allowed to grow to the point that he or she is born, calling it a “fetus” and a clump of cells when it is not a cyst, not a tumor or growth - but an undeveloped human being - is also not a “choice” when the mother decides to terminate it’s life. (in my opinion.) As I said previously, it may take another hundred years when we as a people look back at a time when this was allowed and call it as it actually was, and not use the disgusting terms we use today to dismiss the death of a human, that has life.
And a human being who is born is not different in any way from one that was in the womb, just one hour ago. What about two hours ago? Still a life? What about a month before birth? Is that alive?
An egg is not a life. Neither is a sperm. Most people who look at this logically recognize that they are - today, a live human being that was once born, and before that, alive in the womb. This whole concept of defining a life, a person, “a being” as only after they are born is without merit. And it’s annoying.
wise_man on April 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Star Trek Universal Translator - “I hope it makes people pay attention to Me-e-e-e-e.”
eeyore on April 17, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Hoax or real… this is one sick chick.
Pardon me while I go hug my two kids…
darkpixel on April 17, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Yes, but without proof. I’m inclined to believe it’s a hoax, but I wouldn’t put it above a Yale student to consider this art and attempt something like this.
Either way, this girl is making her point and getting attention while doing it.
Just checking.
Esthier on April 17, 2008 at 6:08 PM
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