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Yale student impregnates herself to create miscarriages — for art; Update: Hoax?

posted at 10:57 am on April 17, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Gateway Pundit, it can’t be real. It’s too broadly parodic of too many things: the trivialization of abortion, modern art’s fascination with effluvium, amoral academic culture justified as a form of faux-profound “consciousness-raising,” etc etc etc. All that’s missing is some sort of representation of Christ as a gay Nazi.

Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself “as often as possible” while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages…

The “fabricators,” or donors, of the sperm were not paid for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically take tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages…

The display of Schvarts’ project will feature a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a room in the gallery of Green Hall. Schvarts will wrap hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting around this cube; lined between layers of the sheeting will be the blood from Schvarts’ self-induced miscarriages mixed with Vaseline in order to prevent the blood from drying and to extend the blood throughout the plastic sheeting.

Schvarts will then project recorded videos onto the four sides of the cube. These videos, captured on a VHS camcorder, will show her experiencing miscarriages in her bathrooom tub, she said. Similar videos will be projected onto the walls of the room.

Lots more at the link, with even the campus pro-choice group unwilling to offer a pat on the back. Exit question re: Schvarts: Republican, do you think?

Update: Some of our commenters with more medical knowledge than I are saying this is probably a hoax, with the likely, er, “medium” here being standard menstrual blood.

Update: Yale says it’s “performance art.”


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No.

No no no.

NO no no no no no no.

NO.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Are you kidding me? I have no words, at least none I can vent here.

Geronimo on April 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Herbal abortifacients? Puhleeze. She menstruated on her art project and will probably get an A+ for her efforts.

Herbal abortifacients make your period start…of course not taking them would have, well, made you period start.

Smart girl though. She’s gonna get straight A+ on her big show and all she had to do was keep her maxipads for a few months. She’ll probably get a big NEA grant too, and laugh all the way to the bank. She’s got another 30 years until menopause, after all.

funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Good Lord…
Somebody tell me it’s fake….

CBarker on April 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Completely self-absorbed college girl takes it to the next inhuman level in a desperate bid for attention.

Spirit of 1776 on April 17, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Daddy spent his money well.

Limerick on April 17, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Dear gawd…I’m not speechless often, but this did it.

JetBoy on April 17, 2008 at 11:02 AM

I am completely dumb-founded.

Connie on April 17, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Art major Aliza Shvarts ‘08 wants to make a statement.

That she only got into Yale because she wanted to be an “Art Major.” Now that she realizes she could never be Frida Kahlo, she’s lost her mind.

“I really loved the idea of this project, but a lot other people didn’t,” Castillo said.

Because they a)got to Yale based on merit, or maybe b)were smart enough not to major in art.

So she’s angry at “patriarchal society” and her gay best friend is standing up for her, largely because guess what, he’s angry at patriarchal society, too. What else is new?

emailnuevo on April 17, 2008 at 11:02 AM

davidk on April 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Good God, our society is officially ending…

Patriot811 on April 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM

….

amerpundit on April 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Methinks a guerrilla art spoof.

profitsbeard on April 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Serial killer.

mikeyboss on April 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM

davidk on April 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Connie on April 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Wow. Just wow. Abortions for art. It’s a complete slap in the face of everyone who has ever had a miscarriage.

acleaver on April 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM

I think it’s quiet evident that this woman needs a psychiatric evaluation.

Let’s hope, though I doubt it, the school has the courage to pulls her out of class until they can assess her mental health.

SPCOlympics on April 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Guys, really, no embryos died for this project. Her gay friends’ sperm most certainly did, if they even went so far as to collect it.

Total fraud, but a clever one. Nobody in the Yale art department is going to question this project based on pro-choice fanaticism and hilarious belief in “indigenous” herbal medical “genius.”

Like I said, smart girl and a natural at cultural anthropology, and exploiting her observations of her professors. She could be the next Barack Obama.

funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM

P.S. I’m thinking multiple charges of murder, negligence, or at least manslaughter, and as punishment, death penalty. Maybe I’m just that hateful.

emailnuevo on April 17, 2008 at 11:09 AM

This bitch is going to have to go into hiding after this I would think.

Geronimo on April 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM

WOW.
And I thought the German version Verdi was offensive.

Ciannaky on April 17, 2008 at 11:10 AM

I wonder if she is providing positive pregnancy test results to prove she is getting pregnant.

mikeyboss on April 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM

I’m not buying it.

A three-month old fetus is only like an inch long, and still basically looks like a blob. So even if she aborted three times in the given nine months, she wouldn’t have anything useful to show for it. (And it’s implied that she did it far more than three times.)

I think it’s just her own blood, a lot of screaming, and a pitiful cry for attention.

Tanya on April 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM

I don’t believe her.

terryannonline on April 17, 2008 at 11:13 AM

She should be institutionalized and sterilized , there are clearly some very deep problems here

Viper1 on April 17, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Strange…I hot linked the Yale piece in a MySpace bulletin on this, but MySpace immediately disabled the link as “spam” or “phishing”.

The URL doesn’t seem specific, either…hmmmm

JetBoy on April 17, 2008 at 11:13 AM

I think they must have turned their “comments” section off. About an hour ago there were six comments. There are still only six comments, and mine’s not there. My comment was calm and reasoned, just a simple question.

I suppose they didn’t want to deal with what must be hundreds of comments by now (10:15am CDT).

rihar on April 17, 2008 at 11:16 AM

Take God out of the equation (which is what they do at college) and what she’s done is perfectly logical, reasonable, rational, and legitimate!

She should be celebrated! How enlightened, inspired, and moral of her!!

Now if all those art school students would start “Suicide as Art” projects…. what a wonderful world it would be!!

thareb on April 17, 2008 at 11:16 AM

broadly parodic exemplary of too many things:

Fixed

eeyore on April 17, 2008 at 11:17 AM

hilarious belief in “indigenous” herbal medical “genius.”

Actually, there are a frightening number of herbs that can cause a miscarriage. Even drinking too much strong peppermint tea can do it.

Tanya on April 17, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Tanya on April 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM

Three-month old fetus

Connie on April 17, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Not buying it but it’s such a tasteful idea anyway.

B-

Ares on April 17, 2008 at 11:19 AM

All that’s missing is some sort of representation of Christ as a gay Nazi.

Well, if she really wanted to have a “discourse” and stir up controversy, why not depict Obama as a gay Nazi, for a change?

It’s really funny how all of these brave fighters end up picking the lowest-hanging fruit.

Niko on April 17, 2008 at 11:19 AM

What a catch!

ronsfi on April 17, 2008 at 11:20 AM

nothing
I got nothing
Even if only a sick joke why would you even think along these lines?

Just A Grunt on April 17, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Just the idea is pathetic, I agree with the above, this girl needs a psychiatric evaluation, and her teachers, if they go along with this “project” should be fired.
Disgusting.

4shoes on April 17, 2008 at 11:21 AM

eyeroll peppermint doesn’t cause miscarriages. Ask an actual board certified OB/GYN, not some benighted altiemed fool.

funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 11:23 AM

If only someone’s daddy had taken her out for an icecream once in a while…

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 17, 2008 at 11:24 AM

JAG really, she’s gonna get top marks for menstruating once a month and creating a crazy story.

brilliant

funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Tanya,

I don’t know whether this is real of not but there’s still an incredible amount of blood being passed during the loss of a three-month old (and younger) fetus – I know from personal experience. My experience 19 years ago broke my heart.. I don’t think this individual has one (a heart, that is).

Side note: A couple of years ago I was given a mother’s ring for Mother’s Day – the first stone is for the baby I lost at three months; he/she wasn’t an art project or a cry for attention on my part.

This woman is a disgrace. I’m feeling nauseous.

Pachyderm on April 17, 2008 at 11:24 AM

There are no depths to which the Lunatic Left won’t sink.

Cicero43 on April 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM

whenever they want to start a discourse, conversation, or whatever, you know automaticallywhat it means.

Allah when is hot air mobile coming up for us iPhoners?

blatantblue on April 17, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Even if it’s a hoax, what “Bright” mind comes up with this concept?????????

chief65 on April 17, 2008 at 11:27 AM

And vaccinate your children.

funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM

smart girl? hardly!….. The people that are accepted in places of higher learning these days….. sheesh! See, this is what happens when you think college is a right rather than a privilege.

MNDavenotPC on April 17, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Premeditated murder.

mustng66 on April 17, 2008 at 11:30 AM

I’m hoping she’s disturbed and is making this up for attention.

If not, it’s the most depraved thing I’ve heard about in a long time.

forest on April 17, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Regardless of whether this is true or not, she got what she wanted: Attention.

Weebork on April 17, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Three-month old fetus

Connie on April 17, 2008 at 11:17 AM

(I think overloaded their server.)

Baby’s development.

davidk on April 17, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Of course, this is a hoax! “Herbal abotifacients?” If there were such a thing that was available and reliable would the abortion industry be taking in millions of dollars every year? No, this is absurd, but, like others have posted, she’ll no doubt be rewarded for her “creativity.” (a pharmacology professor)

drewas on April 17, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Ahem, or ask a pharmacology professor LOL

funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM

All that’s missing is some sort of representation of Christ as a gay Nazi.

Well, if she really wanted to have a “discourse” and stir up controversy, why not depict Obama as a gay Nazi, for a change?
It’s really funny how all of these brave fighters end up picking the lowest-hanging fruit.
Niko on April 17, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Something similar happened in Chiago, 1988.

The result? It did indeed stir up controversy. The liberal democrat Alderman in Chicago with police in tow confiscated the paining.

wise_man on April 17, 2008 at 11:43 AM

I call B.S.

(Barbra Streisand)

CurtZHP on April 17, 2008 at 11:44 AM

http://www.buckleyla.org/data/files/Gallery/StudentVoiceDownloads/issue5.pdf

Senior Aliza Shvarts, whose father is Russian and
mother is English, believes that her background has made
her a more cultured person. “My dad is able to look at
things from a different perspective because of the com-
munism he witnessed. He’s a lot more open to different
cultures,” she said. “Because of him, I can appreciate all
things, being American, Russian, British, or any other
culture.”

From My1stPeriod.com
http://my1stperiod.com/2064/2106.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*

The Ming Period

There are periods of world history—large, expansive, extremely important and eventful times in human existence—that I will never remember, yet for as long as I live, I won’t forget the Ming Dynasty, for it was to the noise of their clashing swords that I became a woman. I was in seventh grade, age 13, and we were watching a movie on Chinese history. While the Mings were in the midst of expelling the Mongols, I began to feel this unearthly pain in my lower abdomen.

We were all sitting on the floor of the classroom to watch the movie and I remember attempting to discreetly lie on my belly in hopes that it might go away. Facedown in the scratchy carpet, I tried to figure out was happening to me. My two guesses were 1) appendicitis, and 2) my period. As the Mings were reforming the Chinese Civil Service Examinations, I weighed my options: if it was appendicitis, then either I would have to go to the hospital, or just die, and not have to come back to school in either instance. Of course, if I had gotten my period, then that was another matter—that meant a lot more.

Back in the days of middle school, at least at my middle school, getting one’s period was akin to a competitive sport. Everyone knew who had theirs already; everyone couldn’t wait to join their ranks in womanhood. My best friend at the time who I had known since preschool had gotten hers a couple months earlier, and I remember sitting jealously in my living room as my mother congratulated her and explained to her womanhood, what it meant to grow up, and the finer points of the tampon vs. pad debate.

I was very excited, lying there in the carpet, at the notion that now it might be my turn. I ended up sticking it out for the whole film, which I still feel is quite an accomplishment—it was a very long movie, there is a lot that happened in 14th century China. After a trip to the girls’ bathroom and a harrowing experience with the pad dispenser, I got on the school bus to go home, excited to tell my mother the news. I expected a lot from that talk. I expected secrets to be revealed, meanings to be exposed, and to emerge somehow closer to my mother and her adult world. I remember beaming as she sat me down on her bed with a package of pads and launched into a similar version of the talk she had given my friend. But about five or ten minutes into it, her then-boyfriend got home from work and walked into the bedroom. She looked at me, handed me the package, and nothing more was said. My first period remained an event shared only by the Mings and me.

—Aliza Shvarts, Los Angeles, CA
Aliza is an Art major at Yale

ninjapirate on April 17, 2008 at 11:44 AM

there’s still an incredible amount of blood being passed during the loss of a three-month old (and younger) fetus

I’m sorry, I was trying to be as analytical as possible, since this is such a painful subject.

There are a lot of things that can cause a great deal of menstrual blood, the immediate one that spring to mind being psychotropic drugs like Clozapine. Which could explain a lot (about her, not you).

Tanya on April 17, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Meh…I don’t see the big deal.

I actually have a thing for blood, but the possibility of a fetus in there kind of kills any eroticism that could have manifested.

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Aliza Shvartz will lead the worldwide animal rights’ group “Aliza’s Animals” from her office (the Dean’s office at Yale)

http://www.buckleyla.org/data/files/News/StudentVoice/Issue_7_part_III.pdf

ninjapirate on April 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Even if there was not abortion present in the blood, isn’t that medical waste, and as such should not be in a public area but burned?

I’m pro-life, but I understand the pressure some women feel to get an abortion and have nothing but sympathy.

This is just evil. Pure and simple.

Mommynator on April 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM

This chick is a dogface, I’m guessing.

Bishop on April 17, 2008 at 11:51 AM

No problem Tanya – I was just sayin’.

It wouldn’t surprise me if this psycho faked it but it also wouldn’t surprise me if she did, in fact, do what she claimed.

Either way, SICK*SICK*SICK*SICK* (not you, the shrew)

Pachyderm on April 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM

ninjapirate on April 17, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Well I guess I became a man to General Hospital. That was an unexpected dream. Whoa, whoaaaooo, what the? Wow… I need a smoke.

Geronimo on April 17, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Hah, I just googled her name again and somebody already has came through with the yahoo answers troll.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080417080734AABHsjo

ninjapirate on April 17, 2008 at 11:54 AM

I’m amused. I remember some artsy chick when I was an undergrad smashing tomatoes on the gallery flower to symbolize the same thing.

thuja on April 17, 2008 at 11:55 AM

beefytee TMI dude, TMI

funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I blame Warhol

Ciannaky on April 17, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Heh, what a surprise she has always associated menstruation with art, or with great dynastic history, or whatever.

funky chicken on April 17, 2008 at 11:58 AM

you people are all funny.

You’ll turn a blind eye and call hundreds, if not thousands of dead Iraqi civis “co-lateral damage”, but if there are no bullets involved, and no clash of religious/societal ideals, then the woman is sick sick sick sick.

I know you all have all of your rationalizations to make you feel better about killing Iraqis and not killing a blob of cells, but death is just death…By an art student’s hands or a soldiers its a life that no longer is.

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Welcome ladies and gents to the Democrat party. Please leave your conscience at the door. Refreshments will be served after ritual sacrifice of the unborn, sick and elderly to the great god of convenience. Enjoy your stay!

spmat on April 17, 2008 at 12:00 PM

I’m amused. I remember some artsy chick when I was an undergrad smashing tomatoes on the gallery flower to symbolize the same thing.

That chick was actually a dude.

SPCOlympics on April 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:00 PM

We’re not the ones profiting from those Iraqi civilian deaths. We’re actually trying to prevent them. You and your party have a vested interest in increasing them… all for the cause of “peace.”

Eggs and omelets, I guess.

spmat on April 17, 2008 at 12:02 PM

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:00 PM

In Iraq, we are trying to accomplish something. This girl was playing with a fetus for a grade. Get a grip.

Geronimo on April 17, 2008 at 12:04 PM

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Liar. Provide the link to a REGULAR HotAir poster that has expressed these sentiments. Trolls, like you, will come do it every now and then, but not the regulars. Bring it or shut up.

JustTruth101 on April 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM

We’re not the ones profiting from those Iraqi civilian deaths. We’re actually trying to prevent them. You and your party have a vested interest in increasing them… all for the cause of “peace.”

Eggs and omelets, I guess.

I actually have no party. I can’t find enough common ground on either side.

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM

*hurl*

Can you believe I was eating while reading this? Thanks for the headsup in the update, AP!

AlexB on April 17, 2008 at 12:08 PM

I actually have no party. I can’t find enough common ground on either side.

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Maybe if you treat people with a little more respect…

mikeyboss on April 17, 2008 at 12:09 PM

I can’t understand how people like beefytee equate killing guys with guns who do bad things with literally poisoning and vacuuming a defenseless being. The moral relativism of the left is astounding.

Ciannaky on April 17, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Oh look!!!…The Liberals have created another Michelangelo!!!

Nobel in Art!!!
Nobel in Art!!!
Nobel in Art!!!

Good Grief

franksalterego on April 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM

know you all have all of your rationalizations to make you feel better about killing Iraqis and not killing a blob of cells, but death is just death…By an art student’s hands or a soldiers its a life that no longer is.

What a rotten thing to say. Jesus. I am not rationalizing anything. For you to imply that we just shrug and go, eh, when we hear of a death or deaths of Iraqi civilians and just glibly call it collateral damage just shows how ignorant you are and you obviously have your pre-conceived notions of how a conservative feels about everything. Must be nice to know everything.

jewells45 on April 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM

I’m going to go out on a limb and say this girl is very sick and desperately needs psychiatric help. And maybe a consultation with someone like the Pope.

Buy Danish on April 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Liar. Provide the link to a REGULAR HotAir poster that has expressed these sentiments. Trolls, like you, will come do it every now and then, but not the regulars. Bring it or shut up.

I will say, I’m not on here quite enough to provide that kind of information. But the broad brush goes both ways…

comments like:

Welcome ladies and gents to the Democrat party. Please leave your conscience at the door. Refreshments will be served after ritual sacrifice of the unborn, sick and elderly to the great god of convenience. Enjoy your stay!

are easily as ignorant as what I posted. I could…if I wanted to spend the time find hundreds of quotes painting all liberals in the same color…and liberals are as varied in their views as non liberals.

Calling me a troll is going to far. My comments were a reflection, not merely an attempt to incite an argument.

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:12 PM

I have a wonderful montage of baby seal livers in the shape of the Mohammed turban-bomb cartoon.

Akzed on April 17, 2008 at 12:12 PM

I can’t understand how people like beefytee equate killing guys with guns who do bad things with literally poisoning and vacuuming a defenseless being. The moral relativism of the left is astounding.

1. Again, I’m not on the left.

2. In case you aren’t familiar with the term “civis” means civilians. Unarmed non combatants. You know like women and children who get caught in the crossfire, or do you think all Iraqis have guns and do bad things?

3. It is my opinion that something that cannot sustain itself is not a “being”…Therfore a 3 month old fetus is not a “being”…and yes, I have been on the unfortunate side of a mid-term miscarriage. It sucks, but a fetus died, not a baby. That’s MY view, I don’t expect it to be yours, but I’m not criticizing your view.

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Sensitive, thoughtful libs will fully embrace this travesty as serious art yet a simple Bible sends them screaming.

It seems that these days you can damn near put a peanut on a plate, place the plate under a black-light and receive glowing accolades for your social consciousness art. “I call it: Fascist America Under Bush”. (clap clap clap)

I don’t get it. I don’t WANT to get it.

Bishop on April 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM

NUKE GAY WHALES FOR JESUS

mikeyboss on April 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM

It is my opinion that something that cannot sustain itself is not a “being”…

A newborn can’t sustain itself either. OK to kill?

mikeyboss on April 17, 2008 at 12:18 PM

I really hope this isn’t real.

StephC on April 17, 2008 at 12:18 PM

As Mr T says: I PITY THE FOOL!

Weebork on April 17, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Sad if true.

TooTall on April 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Even if it was a hoax.
There are no words.

inviolet on April 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM

I swear, I’m tempted to drive up to New Haven and find out if this is true…it’s only a 20 minute or so hike up 95…

JetBoy on April 17, 2008 at 12:23 PM

What a rotten thing to say. Jesus. I am not rationalizing anything. For you to imply that we just shrug and go, eh, when we hear of a death or deaths of Iraqi civilians and just glibly call it collateral damage just shows how ignorant you are and you obviously have your pre-conceived notions of how a conservative feels about everything. Must be nice to know everything.

jewells45 on April 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Fine, I apologize if I went to far and implied that people “shrugged off” collateral damage.

I have typed out 3 huge sprawling replies to this, but I couldn’t get it focused down to really say what I wanted to succinctly enough. So I think my apology is probably the best thing to post. And I mean it. I didn’t mean to cast a certain similar light on an entire people. I hate it when that’s done to me. “Do unto others” is a bitch sometimes.

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM

can I not post in here anymore?

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:31 PM

All that’s missing is some sort of representation of Christ as a gay Nazi.

Well, the story reminds me of an author in academia describing his inspiration for the book he was plugging: One of his failing students came up to him, and suggested that she attempt cross-species impregnation. The resulting man-monkey growing inside her would be her term project, which she would abort before it came to term. Like this story, the actual doing has certain, well, physical unlikelihoods, but the thought process was similar: Abortion + outrageousness = easy A.

calbear on April 17, 2008 at 12:31 PM

If it’s true, we can only hope that she someday fully understands the enormity of her actions.

obladioblada on April 17, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Hummm…madisonconservative is in denial. It’s too bad psychos like this exist and find their way to our eyes, but there it is.
When i was an art major in a small liberal arts college in Ohio in (’75-’78), I made large ‘jelly beans’ from jello and got in trouble because it made a mess on the library floor where i was to display them with the rest of my classmates’ projects.
If this idiot had done this back then she would have been sent to the looney bin, today she’ll not only be able to display her ‘art’, she’ll get an A and a scholarship for a master’s in abortion art.
It’s more than disgusting, there’s no word for it.

Christine on April 17, 2008 at 12:32 PM

I’m sorry to say I predicted that it was just a matter of time before these haters turn to artificial insemination so they can bond in sister-hood and execute their “choice”.

bleah…

DANEgerus on April 17, 2008 at 12:35 PM

What a rotten thing to say. Jesus. I am not rationalizing anything. For you to imply that we just shrug and go, eh, when we hear of a death or deaths of Iraqi civilians and just glibly call it collateral damage just shows how ignorant you are and you obviously have your pre-conceived notions of how a conservative feels about everything. Must be nice to know everything.

jewells45 on April 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to cast that light on an entire group of people. I realize that I did, and I hate it when people do that to me …Do unto others and all…

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:35 PM

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to cast that light on an entire group of people. I realize that I did, and I hate it when people do that to me …Do unto others and all…

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Happens to us all at times…

mikeyboss on April 17, 2008 at 12:37 PM

3. It is my opinion that something that cannot sustain itself is not a “being”…

beefytee on April 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM

Out of curiosity, does that include coma patients, quadrapalegics and/or the elderly?

apollyonbob on April 17, 2008 at 12:37 PM

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