When old news is new news: Ahmadinejad’s a Truther

posted at 12:55 pm on April 16, 2008 by Allahpundit

We already knew this, but it’s fun to revisit the subject if only to rub the faces of those leftists who thought he should be allowed pay his “respects” at Ground Zero in their own shame. His theory of the crime, as strongly suggested (but never explicitly stated) to 60 Minutes’s Scott Pelley? An inside job by the CIA, of course. “Suspect” indeed:

“Four or five years ago a suspect event took place in New York,” Ahmadinejad said in a speech to a public rally in the holy city of Qom broadcast live on state television.

“A building collapsed and they said that 3,000 people had been killed, whose names were never published.”

“Under this pretext they (the United States) attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and since then a million people have been killed,” he said…

Ahmadinejad did not say who he believed was behind the September 11 attacks. On April 8, he questioned how the two planes piloted by Al-Qaeda militants could have evaded surveillance to crash into the World Trade Centre.

Exit question: Will this/should this affect Obama’s calculations about whether to meet with Ahmadinejad? I ask only because I can’t keep his criteria straight anymore. I’m guessing “no” on the assumption that if Holocaust denial’s not a dealbreaker for him, Trutherism won’t be either. Besides, Bush meets with Arab Holocaust deniers all the time. Good enough for the GOP, good enough for Barry O.


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Obama is trying to move politics beyond such divisive things like “criteria”.

WisCon on April 16, 2008 at 12:59 PM

I am supposed to be surprised that Amadinnerjacket is a truther. Maybe Jesse Ventura can go talk to him. Here’s hoping they don’t let him come back…send Jimmeh Cartuh over there too while you’re at it.

HawaiiLwyr on April 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM

I wonder if Ahmadinejad and his puppeteers view Obama as an apostate?

Zorro on April 16, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Exit answer: Hell no. Barry will go as enlightenment. A few hand waves and a push on the forehead and all will be cured.

Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM

HawaiiLwyr on April 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM

He probably also believes that wrestling is not fake.

Johan Klaus on April 16, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Speaking stupidity to the gullible. It would be kinda nice if he got caught up in the next riot in Tehran.

rbj on April 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Everything Ahmadinejad has said should make Obama choose not to meet with him. On the other hand, I wonder if Ahmadinejad just says these things for the media attention…no one could be that ignorant. Or maybe they can. Check the Tues April 8 posting here http://tank.nationalreview.com/
That gives even more reasons not to try to reason with this idiot.

scalleywag on April 16, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Obama is trying to move politics beyond such divisive things like “criteria”.

WisCon on April 16, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Or facts.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 1:21 PM

And, according to General Petraeus…”Together with the Iraqi Security Forces, we have also focused on the Special Groups. These elements are funded, trained, armed, and directed by Iran’s Qods Force, with help from Lebanese Hezbollah. It was these groups that launched Iranian rockets and mortar rounds at Iraq’s seat of government two weeks ago, causing loss of innocent life and fear in the capital, and requiring Iraqi and Coalition actions in response. Iraqi and Coalition leaders have repeatedly noted their desire that Iran live up to promises made by President Ahmedinajad and other senior Iranian leaders to stop their support for the Special Groups. However, nefarious activities by the Qods Force have continued, and Iraqi leaders now clearly recognize the threat they pose to Iraq. We should all watch Iranian actions closely in the weeks and months ahead, as they will show the kind of relationship Iran wishes to have with its neighbor and the character of future Iranian involvement in Iraq.”

Get that Obama? Need more? How about you Hillary?
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/iran-general-/clinton-calls-for-limited-talks-with-iran.html

scalleywag on April 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Cue dave### faulting the translation in 3… 2…

DrSteve on April 16, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Criteria are racist.

exhelodrvr on April 16, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Ahmadinijead is a Truther, and so is Rev. Wright. Why should this stop His Arrogance from pursuing hypocritical and dangerous foreign policy goals?

Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 2:36 PM

DrSteve:

Cue dave### faulting the translation in 3… 2…

It’s so flattering to be talked about before I arrive. I don’t know what he said. He just arrived in Qom today, and the BBC won’t translate the speech for a couple of days. I’m sure he did insinuate that the US government version of 9/11 is “suspect.” This is common knowledge, and not really news, other than to try and demonize Ahmadinejad for the US public. An ex-president of Italy says the same thing in more direct terms. He said that it is well known in intelligence circles that 9/11 was planned by the CIA and Mossad. This didn’t become big news in the US, because we are not planning an bombing Italy anytime soon. If we were, this story would have been big.

dave742 on April 16, 2008 at 2:47 PM

I think Ahmadinejad would struggle putting together Legos and not because their Danish.

Remember, it’s Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, PhD in traffic management.

gabriel sutherland on April 16, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Quick, somebody write something failing to give Aleksandr Lukashenko the benefit of every doubt. I want to see how far this rabbit hole goes.

DrSteve on April 16, 2008 at 2:53 PM

gabriel sutherland:

Remember, it’s Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, PhD in traffic management.

Lynn Margulis has a PhD in Genetics, was a chair at the Academy of arts and Sciences, wrote 9 books and over 200 articles, and received the National Science Medal. She knows who is responsible for 9/11. You are not going to find a correlation between education and beliefs about 9/11. If there is one, the correlation is the opposite of what you might think.

dave742 on April 16, 2008 at 3:10 PM

You are not going to find a correlation between education and beliefs about 9/11. If there is one, the correlation is the opposite of what you might think.

Whoa oh, we’re half way there. Oh OH! Living on a prayer.

Let us pray.

gabriel sutherland on April 16, 2008 at 3:18 PM

I’m afraid to ask, dave742, but here goes: Your personal views on the subject?

DrSteve on April 16, 2008 at 3:27 PM

scalleywag:
Iran Focus is run by the MEK, a terrorist group who is responsible for killing US soldiers and civilians, and was also involved in the holding of US hostages in Iran. I find it offensive that you are quoting groups that have committed terrorist acts against the US, and I recommend that HotAir ban you from this site.

dave742 on April 16, 2008 at 3:28 PM

DrSteve:
I agree with Francesco Cossiga and Lynn Margulis. Let the name calling begin.

dave742 on April 16, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Dave742: I won’t resort to calling you names, as much fun as that might be. Cossiga is an irrelevant Socialist. (Oops. Is is okay if I call Cossiga names?) Several years ago he backed off from calling the Red Brigades a “terrorist” organization – despite the fact that they carried out 58 murders over the years. He now thinks that they were misunderstood.

Try again.

Lan Astaslem on April 16, 2008 at 3:46 PM

Lan Astaslem:

Try again.

I am not sure what I need to “try again.” My point was that an ex-Italian leader made much stronger remark than Ahmadinejad did, and it was not reported at all in the US. The reason is because the US is not presently interested in bombing Italy (are we? It’s hard to keep track). If Rafsanjani, an ex-Iranian leader, made the same remarks as Cossiga, it would be big news in the US because we are presently leading up to a bombing of Iran, and therefore need to demonize Iran as much as possible. I do not think I will “try again,” because you have not addressed my point.

dave742 on April 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM

dave742 on April 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM

No… You were comparing an ex Italian leader with a current Iranian leader. True, we do not currently have any serious issues with Italy, but your comparison is not valid. (Other than the fact that the two — Cossiga and Ahmadinejad — are quite possibly equally stupid and both have warped views of the world.)

Lan Astaslem on April 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Is this the same Lynn Margulis who helped come up with that silly “Giaia” nonsense? That’s encouraging of Truther beliefs…

GeneSmith on April 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM

I doubt Dinnerjacket is a really a truther – I suspect he just likes winding people up. He’s quite precocious, like a naughty child. Holocaust Denial, Trutherism, etc. Classic attention seeker.

Of course given he wants nuclear weapons those traits are slightly worrying.

Ares on April 16, 2008 at 5:20 PM

dave742 on April 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Does Italy furnish arms and men to kill U.S. soldiers?

Johan Klaus on April 16, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Lan Astaslem:

No… You were comparing an ex Italian leader with a current Iranian leader.

So your position is that if Rafsanjani said that 9/11 was planned by the CIA and Mossad, it would be a non-story, because he is an ex-leader. I think you are wrong, and I think you know it.

Joham Klaus:

Does Italy furnish arms and men to kill U.S. soldiers?

For you the issue is that Iran is furnishing arms and men to the Iraqi resitance, and it is only in light of this that Ahmadinejad’s 9/11 comments become an issue. If Iran was not supplying arms or men to Iraq, then the situation would be similar to Italy, and the comments would not be an issue. I guess I won’t even comment on that stance, other than to ask this: If Iran is supplying arms to Iraq, why are they only giving the Iraqis crude weapons? Why don’t they supply the Iraqis with surface to air missiles to take down US planes, and with armor piercing RPG’s to take out tanks? Wouldn’t that be more effective?

Here are Ahmadinejad’s comments as translated by the BBC:
“Look at today’s situation in the world. Four or five years ago, a suspicious incident occurred in New York. A building collapsed. It has been said that 3000 people were killed. Their names have never been published. They have attacked Afghanistan and Iraq under the pretext of that building. According to their own reports, more than one million people have been killed just in Iraq and tens of thousands were killed in Afghanistan. Look at Lebanon, Palestine, Africa, and South America. The main problems of mankind are caused by the management of corrupt powers on human society.”

He also said:
“Our dear Imam said: As long as tyranny exists, resistance will exist too and as long as resistance exists, we exist too.”

BBC Monitoring International Reports
April 16, 2008 Wednesday
RAN PRESIDENT SAYS CHANGING OFFICIALS TO FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION

dave742 on April 17, 2008 at 9:16 AM